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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Antigen on April 27, 2007, 11:50:53 PM
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If I did a little surgery on the Peninsula Village thread?
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I think is should stay the way it is. I see survivors mocked, the elan forum made into a pointless joke, people stop posting their stories
as they are just relentlessly challenged and called loosers for having them, nothing is done. Whyshould this be any different? becasue a bunch of regulars made themselves look like insensitive fools?
No let it stay where it is
Its a swell reminder of human nature. As seen through the ridiculous magnifying lesseninglens of the internet
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I get were sick is coming from but personally if it will help encourage survivors to post their stories and stick around I say go for it.
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It depends on what you mean by surgery. as in forking the thread, sure. as in deleting anything, hell no.
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Oh, I just wanted to fork it. It's a worthwhile conversation, but it sort of overwhelmed the one that was going on prior. I'm having second thoughts, though. Looking through it, it's really hard to make the call sometimes and, well, I can't see any way to do it and retain continuity.
WNF, please register a username and pm me or email to [email protected]
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I get were sick is coming from but personally if it will help encourage survivors to post their stories and stick around I say go for it.
I agree, but then only if the ELan forum is reorganized if you ever want to see a forum that stops people from posting...
or it aint fair
hmm so my abreviation is sick, eh? do i like that? Perhaps i should change it to adorable* sick of child torture girl. Or just get real massochistic and become fat and ugly sick of chid torture girl?Perhpaps Sprinkes.
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Oh, I just wanted to fork it. It's a worthwhile conversation, but it sort of overwhelmed the one that was going on prior. I'm having second thoughts, though. Looking through it, it's really hard to make the call sometimes and, well, I can't see any way to do it and retain continuity.
WNF, please register a username and pm me or email to [email protected]
I doubt she will register a username. She never PMed me or anybody else who was trying to get in contact with her, even before this shit happened. That is what makes me think she is either plant or a troll. Of course, as i stated earlier, she might just be completely fucking bat-shit crazy.
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WNF, I really dislike talking about you in the third person... so I won't.
Completely batshit? Ok, I guess maybe, but so what? I can remember thinking and acting just like this at times. And so many people have told me over the years how completely bat shit I am for doing things my weird way here. I don't have a problem with that. Really. Maybe I am completely bat shit or maybe I'm onto something that I can't quite explain yet, if ever.
If somebody's mimicking you, please register a name to stop that. If not, please just slow down! This site has been around for years, it's not going anywhere and you'll never run out of a growing supply of program vets to hash things out with.
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Yeah, if the intention was to delete anything, I'd really have to disagree. So far on fornits I've been offended, insulted and hurt many times and yet I'm still here. I was even once contacted by a staff member from my time in "the program" maurading as a survivor seriously looking to go out on a date with me. That scared the shit out of me - one of my abusers trying to "get with me" - and I'm sure did more damage than anything WANF has just experienced. More than that, the recent episode with the Who was an example where someone else was obviously being mocked over real explicit "sexual harassment" and rape even. If that wasn't enough for action/deletion, than this small flamewar isn't.
WANF is certainly a very confused, messed up person at the moment - no offense, I was for a very long time myself. And it sucks that she's getting a hard time at the moment, but no special treatment... none of us got it.
I don't like censorship in any form (I'll say cunt if I like to), but I detest selective censorship, even if for a plausibly good reason.
Just my two cents...
Rachael
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Racheal, half of what you read wasnt her, it was someone pretending to be her, PARODYING her. She is the softspoken and nice one. The other was horrible, crude & threatening. It was etiher a pro- abuser or more sadly, a regular annoyed by her putting her in her place.
If the idea to split the thread is to respect her as that was done for Program Survivor (am I a looser for knowing this history?-yes. I think the answer is yes)
then please do so..i thought u were doing it to "protect" the thread from her which would have been yet another insult on top of everything
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The people who have deemed her crazy should start an online consultation psychiatric firm, you can diagnose people online from all over the world, you can make millions! :roll:
Who are any of you to decide what is appropriate way to grieve long term abuse, and what is not? People deal with shit in their own ways. If her posting a lot on ONE thread does it for her, great, that should be seen as a victory and helpful solution for a fellow program survivor.
Instead the regulars pile on top of her, and then end up using her issue of sexual harassment to torment her in an attempt to get her to leave or shut up or something, or maybe just feel bad? I don't understand their motives at all. If you believe she is crazy, like you think, then why would you be offended by what she is saying? You are making no sense guys!
The irony of it is that Niles, psy and I am sure some of those guests also use this forum to post random shit, rant and rave about OFF topic subjects ALL THE TIME. I read through the entire PV thread several times, and everything WANF says is very much relevant to her program experience.
So why are people like Niles so offended by it? I don't get it? You can rant and rave about animal rights people, and she can't talk about the program she was imprisoned at for two years? Something is wrong with that picture!
I think that it's tempting to say leave the thread as it is, if only to show the rest of us we better watch our step and not piss off the high post uber online egos who think they run this place and have the right to deem anyone crazy. Or worse that we survivors need their help in telling our stories or getting change done. The reality is we could do without the bystanders who threaten to kill our parents, threatening posts that get negative attention, and most importantly, not recreating group and dog piling on survivors for whatever reason.
So maybe you should leave it up and show everyone just how fucked up this forum can be?
Of course I am going to say take the shit down. If it makes someone uncomfortable and uneasy that it is posted, I would take it down. I am not an idealist or ideologist who will hurt people to keep from changing my political beliefs. Freedom of speech is a political argument, we are talking about a real live breathing person with feelings who is hurt.
I've been hurt on this forum too like everyone else. I didn't ask to have my posts taken down. But just because I never asked doesn't mean I can't have sympathy for someone else who does. If someone was posting pages of the word "cunt" at me I would be pretty offended to.
Leave it up, show the world how fucked up we all are. Or take it down and save a survivor some heartache and worry. But don't leave it up because of some forum policy or strict belief in some political scheme that allows people to freely hurt each other. I hate how people turn small personal issues into worldwide political arguments like "freedom of speech". This shit isn't about that, this is about programs and survivors and their parents and trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and how to stop the brainwashing and torture. Oh no wait, it's not.
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I was thinking that maybe a split in the thread might be useful, but the more I think about it the more I don't want it. I'm somehow not surprised that someone is masquerading as WANF. It has happened to me before, and no doubt it will happen to others.
This is why I don't want the PV thread split:
1) People ought to know better than to go back and forth with some in the first place.
- The guest, above, makes a good point that WANF appears to be getting something out of it. Her exact opinions and feelings on sexual harrassment are hers to have. What good it does for people to attempt to debate her beliefs on the PV thread is beyond me.
2) Better for worst the PV thread is the way it is. I see no point in trying to attempt to undo what could have been prevented by a bit of simple self control on the part of all of us. Let it stand as a reminder to others about the need to pick and choose our battles.
- A battle with WANF serves absolutely no purpose at this point in time. She feels the way she does, and I doubt the internet is going to change her feelings. Better to let time and the experience of life take care of that rather than trying to jam it down her throat via the internet. You never know some of you might find yourself thinking more like she does one day.
I have some more thoughts on this matter, but I believe it comes down to people just needing to know when to get involved and when not to. I'll be the first to say that WANF confuses the hell out of me in even her most mundane posts. Yet her basic message about the lack of any redeeming features found at PV rings out loudly.
A bit of a reminder.. Take Exhausted.. when she first showed up she was the biggest sucker ever for internet trolling and fighting with people all over fornits thinking she had to defend herself. Now you are hard pressed to to find decent examples of Exhausted getting involved with flame wars.
I believe the same will hold true with WANF as soon as she comes to understand the dynamics of fornits and the internet as a whole.
Basically lads back up off her.. Let her figure it out on her own.
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The people who have deemed her crazy should start an online consultation psychiatric firm, you can diagnose people online from all over the world, you can make millions! :roll:
Who are any of you to decide what is appropriate way to grieve long term abuse, and what is not? People deal with shit in their own ways. If her posting a lot on ONE thread does it for her, great, that should be seen as a victory and helpful solution for a fellow program survivor.
Instead the regulars pile on top of her, and then end up using her issue of sexual harassment to torment her in an attempt to get her to leave or shut up or something, or maybe just feel bad? I don't understand their motives at all. If you believe she is crazy, like you think, then why would you be offended by what she is saying? You are making no sense guys!
The irony of it is that Niles, psy and I am sure some of those guests also use this forum to post random shit, rant and rave about OFF topic subjects ALL THE TIME. I read through the entire PV thread several times, and everything WANF says is very much relevant to her program experience.
So why are people like Niles so offended by it? I don't get it? You can rant and rave about animal rights people, and she can't talk about the program she was imprisoned at for two years? Something is wrong with that picture!
I think that it's tempting to say leave the thread as it is, if only to show the rest of us we better watch our step and not piss off the high post uber online egos who think they run this place and have the right to deem anyone crazy. Or worse that we survivors need their help in telling our stories or getting change done. The reality is we could do without the bystanders who threaten to kill our parents, threatening posts that get negative attention, and most importantly, not recreating group and dog piling on survivors for whatever reason.
So maybe you should leave it up and show everyone just how fucked up this forum can be?
Of course I am going to say take the shit down. If it makes someone uncomfortable and uneasy that it is posted, I would take it down. I am not an idealist or ideologist who will hurt people to keep from changing my political beliefs. Freedom of speech is a political argument, we are talking about a real live breathing person with feelings who is hurt.
I've been hurt on this forum too like everyone else. I didn't ask to have my posts taken down. But just because I never asked doesn't mean I can't have sympathy for someone else who does. If someone was posting pages of the word "cunt" at me I would be pretty offended to.
Leave it up, show the world how fucked up we all are. Or take it down and save a survivor some heartache and worry. But don't leave it up because of some forum policy or strict belief in some political scheme that allows people to freely hurt each other. I hate how people turn small personal issues into worldwide political arguments like "freedom of speech". This shit isn't about that, this is about programs and survivors and their parents and trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and how to stop the brainwashing and torture. Oh no wait, it's not.
:nworthy: :nworthy:
im unimpressed by the bs about freedom of speech too. Its not like this forum doesnt have censorship- no ads, no spam, u can't type in "you should" it becomes "I want u to." So there are allready "impurities". I hate ideologists when the "purity" of the ideology becomes more important then its real life impact on human beings. Like maybe "terror" is bad..but if you have to invade Iraq and kill 100s of thousands ya comprimise
Its really not about "freedom of speach anyway The idea that taking down a thread is the equvelent of congress passing an edict is pretty grandios. This is an INTERNET forum. Making this about "freedom of speach" is ludicous as freedom of speech laws & constituional principles dont apply here. I guarantee you can get outright banned from any forum and the aclu isnt gonna be suing the host. Those laws relate to govt restrictions and very very very very rarely MASSIVE MASS media outlets.
Yeah the whole thing was sad. Like a sorry yet impotant internet version of the film Dogville. Oh well its human nature everyone has an off day. Well,... I hope its just a day
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Some missed it, I did, but WANF wants to keep the PV thread high, hoping people find it on search engines. I've PM'd her on CAFETY, suggesting that probably won't do it.
It seems some of her defenders are worse than her attackers, with more of an interest in the thread itself than WANF. I wonder why?
I've yanked PV's tail hard recently, well outside of Fornits. I guess it's my fault that they find it easiest to go at me here. Can there be any doubt a program that would go to these lengths to cover it's ass would apply undue restraint to a child outside of the three requirements for a restraint, or keep them doped so they'll stay docile and quiet?
WANF is fine. She'll be better knowing she doesn't have to keep constantly adding to the thread to keep it at the top, it's wearing her out. She's fighting just to answer.
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This is a control issue, and therefore, pushes lots of people's buttons because it's a program method.
WANF wants to control what others say that offends her. Others want to control her rants and opinions. Details are irrelevant.
Fact: You can't and never will be able to control what other people think, say, or do; even if you stick them in a warehouse and hold them incommunicado.
-If you want to control your posts on Fornits, then register a user name. At any time you wish, you can delete the account completely or delete individual posts.
-If you are offended, you have 3 choices. Argue, leave, or ignore and carry on. It's not Ginger's role to come in and rescue any poster who continues to argue with another poster that offends him/her. She ain't the mamma and this ain't no program. Everyone has the freedom to leave at any time. No one is forced to read.
-I think it would be useful to have this disclaimer posted somewhere for new people, like at the top of the page have a link that says 'New members read before posting' or some such. Maybe next to FAQ. Give a brief description of how to register and the pros of doing so. Registering a user name doesn't expose your identity. You're just as anonymous as "Guest". But, YOU will have the benefit of controlling YOUR posts. Otherwise, what's posted stays.
It's addressed in FAQ, but people may not read that before posting, and it could be more specific about the pros.
And what is this crap about Ginger deleting TSWs posts? He was registered and therefore could delete them himself.
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Didn't Ginger post that she deleted TSW's posts, and that it was a difficult task for her to do so?
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Antigen's Ghost posted: PENINSULA VILLAGE:
Page 24 Wednesday April 25, 2007 9:15 PM
"I not only yanked TSW's moderator status, but sometimre later, I even deleted every posts he had ever post under that name.
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Didn't Ginger post that she deleted TSW's posts, and that it was a difficult task for her to do so?
she did. she wanted to help him do it faster than going post by post by post. So she did it for him at his request. geez... this has been covered a few times.
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I get were sick is coming from but personally if it will help encourage survivors to post their stories and stick around I say go for it.
I agree, but then only if the ELan forum is reorganized if you ever want to see a forum that stops people from posting...
or it aint fair
hmm so my abreviation is sick, eh? do i like that? Perhaps i should change it to adorable* sick of child torture girl. Or just get real massochistic and become fat and ugly sick of chid torture girl?Perhpaps Sprinkes.
My bad "sick of child torture girl" I developed a habit of typing as little as possible and shorting names is something that helps. From now on I will abbreviate your name and prefix it with adorable*
ex. "adorable* sctg"
Better? :oops:
I haven't read much in the Elan forum(will do though), I do remember what Rachel is talking about. I try to throw my support to survivors who get hounded, I even tried to stick up for an ex-program parent who saw the light and got her kid out(Tranquility bay). But really most of you survivors kick ass harder then I ever could. I tend to come off as a Mr.Rodgers+Barney with a little "can't we all just get along" Rodney Kingism.
On my good days though, I could best Johnny Cochran and be a worth contender to the King, Don King.... 8-)
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Are you talking about this?
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=257273#257273 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=257273#257273)
Three Springs Waygooking posted a story about forcing a boy to push a rock with his face in the dirt and thinking it was funny.
The next day his moderating powers were gone.
Draw your own conclusions.
Uh... that's one way to go about it. Or you could ask the people involved. I done it, ok? I admit it. I not only yanked TSW's moderator status but, some time later, I even deleted every post he had every post he had made under that name. Man, I mean to tell you I was livid! Some of that shit was really, really good. I fucking HATE destroying good prose and thoughtful conversation. But, well, they were his words, he asked me to do it, I didn't have much choice.
Thanks for wasting my time.
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Some missed it, I did, but WANF wants to keep the PV thread high, hoping people find it on search engines. I've PM'd her on CAFETY, suggesting that probably won't do it.
It seems some of her defenders are worse than her attackers, with more of an interest in the thread itself than WANF. I wonder why?
I've yanked PV's tail hard recently, well outside of Fornits. I guess it's my fault that they find it easiest to go at me here. Can there be any doubt a program that would go to these lengths to cover it's ass would apply undue restraint to a child outside of the three requirements for a restraint, or keep them doped so they'll stay docile and quiet?
WANF is fine. She'll be better knowing she doesn't have to keep constantly adding to the thread to keep it at the top, it's wearing her out. She's fighting just to answer.
So there are pro-PV droids posting on this thread? I'm not to surprised. Time to start ignoring guests users again.
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This is a control issue, and therefore, pushes lots of people's buttons because it's a program method.
WANF wants to control what others say that offends her. Others want to control her rants and opinions. Details are irrelevant.
Fact: You can't and never will be able to control what other people think, say, or do; even if you stick them in a warehouse and hold them incommunicado.
-If you want to control your posts on Fornits, then register a user name. At any time you wish, you can delete the account completely or delete individual posts.
-If you are offended, you have 3 choices. Argue, leave, or ignore and carry on. It's not Ginger's role to come in and rescue any poster who continues to argue with another poster that offends him/her. She ain't the mamma and this ain't no program. Everyone has the freedom to leave at any time. No one is forced to read.
-I think it would be useful to have this disclaimer posted somewhere for new people, like at the top of the page have a link that says 'New members read before posting' or some such. Maybe next to FAQ. Give a brief description of how to register and the pros of doing so. Registering a user name doesn't expose your identity. You're just as anonymous as "Guest". But, YOU will have the benefit of controlling YOUR posts. Otherwise, what's posted stays.
It's addressed in FAQ, but people may not read that before posting, and it could be more specific about the pros.
And what is this crap about Ginger deleting TSWs posts? He was registered and therefore could delete them himself.
Amen sister. Say it how it needs to be said.
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-If you want to control your posts on Fornits, then register a user name. At any time you wish, you can delete the account completely or delete individual posts.
That's not true. I asked a while ago while signed in if I could delete myself and was told flat out NO, you will ruin the CONTINUITY of FORUMS.I asked where the delete function was and told there WAS NONE and NOT TO ASK , guess who those people were answering? lol I guess the rules change depending on who is asking..
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That's not true. I asked a while ago while signed in if I could delete myself and was told flat out NO, you will ruin the CONTINUITY of FORUMS.I asked where the delete function was and told there WAS NONE and NOT TO ASK
Interesting...
guess who those people were answering? ..
No clue. . :question:
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=19944 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=19944)
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Very soon after WANF started to post, I asked her to register with Fornits, since she was having trouble with duplicate posts, and that would allow her to clean up future dupe posts. She didn't, and she's regretting it now. The truth is, she was too distrustful to register, given her computer problems and her paranoia about PV. I sympathize with her - I live in TN, very close to PV, and I've got an anon telling me to send my step daughter over so she can call her a "moronic cow" to her face.
There are Village idiots in the midst, TSW. They've given up a few things that only someone familiar with our daughter's case would know, slightly wrong, but still insider info.
WANF is well-meaning. People who feel they have no control try to find something they can control.
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Very soon after WANF started to post, I asked her to register with Fornits, since she was having trouble with duplicate posts, and that would allow her to clean up future dupe posts. She didn't, and she's regretting it now. The truth is, she was too distrustful to register, given her computer problems and her paranoia about PV. I sympathize with her - I live in TN, very close to PV, and I've got an anon telling me to send my step daughter over so she can call her a "moronic cow" to her face.
There are Village idiots in the midst, TSW. They've given up a few things that only someone familiar with our daughter's case would know, slightly wrong, but still insider info.
WANF is well-meaning. People who feel they have no control try to find something they can control.
She really shouldn't feel distrustful about registering. It doesn't give anything away in regards to your internet address. Further it gives you all the more control over your postings.
No biggie.. she hasn't cooked her goose. I suspect she still has plenty of things to say. Hopefully she will register a user account. If she is that worried about being tracked I'll send her the links to a few of my favorite proxy sites. Nice little sites that change your IP Address for you without using any downloaded softward.
As for the PV supporters.. I take your presence as a sign of fear. Rightfully so, You should be afraid. For your job, your precious little torture pit, and you own concience. Trust me.. you will wake up one day look in the mirror and hate yourself. It takes a long long time to get over that feeling.
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Actually screw it..
Tell WANF to try this site:
www.3proxy.com (http://www.3proxy.com)
Works like a charm.. I've tested it myself a few times on my own forum. Definitely changes the IP number.
or there is
http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html (http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html)
I'll test that one myself later to double check it.
another good one, but I need to test it:
http://www.pagewash.com/ (http://www.pagewash.com/)
Easy to use sites that allow you to change your IP address to ensure your privacy. Pass those along to WANF and anyone else you think who might benifit from them.
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This is a control issue, and therefore, pushes lots of people's buttons because it's a program method.
WANF wants to control what others say that offends her. Others want to control her rants and opinions. Details are irrelevant.
Fact: You can't and never will be able to control what other people think, say, or do; even if you stick them in a warehouse and hold them incommunicado.
-If you want to control your posts on Fornits, then register a user name. At any time you wish, you can delete the account completely or delete individual posts.
-If you are offended, you have 3 choices. Argue, leave, or ignore and carry on. It's not Ginger's role to come in and rescue any poster who continues to argue with another poster that offends him/her. She ain't the mamma and this ain't no program. Everyone has the freedom to leave at any time. No one is forced to read.
-I think it would be useful to have this disclaimer posted somewhere for new people, like at the top of the page have a link that says 'New members read before posting' or some such. Maybe next to FAQ. Give a brief description of how to register and the pros of doing so. Registering a user name doesn't expose your identity. You're just as anonymous as "Guest". But, YOU will have the benefit of controlling YOUR posts. Otherwise, what's posted stays.
It's addressed in FAQ, but people may not read that before posting, and it could be more specific about the pros.
And what is this crap about Ginger deleting TSWs posts? He was registered and therefore could delete them himself.
umm equating altering a thread to program is rilly rilly rilly nutsoid. Have u ever been to program? Every site I go on has moderation, they delete stuff, outright ban people, there are no harrassing posters rules and they aint program either. If ever u go to program ..you aint gonna confuse the two no more
Counter Fact: No one wants to control what people think and do- Well,.. no more than anyone does in having "you Need" changed to "i want", Or spam deleted, Or IPs or revealed to see if its a repeat troll. No more then anyone did when the "program surviovr" thread was split in derference to his feelings or when TSWs threds were erased in deference to his feelings . Cause you have feelin for the actual breathin people that bump into "rules".
Keep it up or dont keep it up. Personally I think it would be a nice thing to do, at least split it in respect to her as it was done for PS even if u dont erase it like for TSW. But if it isnt done it shouldnt be about conforimg to "purity" of vision or "our rules" :roll: as they are broken all the time and that would be rather absurd and selectively zelous.
yes tsw's threads were erased or they were gonna be erased...dont know the circumstances surrounding it but you can see it in the links
anyway thats m thoughts
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tl;dr time.
FORNITS IS FORNITS.
Who cares what other forums do? We do what WE do. We've done it for years.. we won't change because someone can't handle it.
We are how we are, we don't hide it, we don't sneak it, we don't mislead, and we don't feel any shame about it. In fact, we're proud of it.
If you don't like it, you can argue and TRY to change our minds, or you can go, or you can accept it, or you can whine. Whatever you want.
But eventually we'll get sick of your whining and ignore it.
P.S. "cunt"
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Niles knock that fucking cunt shit off ok? Enough is enough.
I don't agree with sottg either, but you know what? Her opinion is just as valid as mine or yours.
To sottg:
Has WANF asked to have her posts deleted? You see again you keep bringing me up as an example. Without fully knowing all the circumstances behind why I had all 3000 plus off my posts deleted. Now if you are going to use me as your flail to get people to agree with you then by all means go ahead. At least do so knowing those circumstances that prompted me to ask Ginger to delete all of my posts.
Note: I didn't demand her to do it. I asked her knowing full well that she could have easily, and understandably, refused to do so. She agreed to delete my posts for whatever reasons she has. I could have gone through and altered all 3000 posts, but time was of the essence in this particular situation. The exact details of those situations are yours to know if you choose to ask, but I'm not going to divulge them here on an open forum.
You keep waving my situation around and comparing it to WANF. But has she even taken it upon herself to do the following?
-Contacted Ginger
-Identified which posts she wants deleted
-Identified which material she wants altered if that is the case.
So far I've seen no indication from WANF of any of those. I think its noble that you want to stick up for her. I agree with a most of your points in this matter. However, what you want has absolutely no bearing on the situation. It is what WANF wants that is important.
Further, if she wants her posts deleted or altered then she needs to put in the effort to identify the posts and to communicate those desires to Ginger.
That is WANF's responsibility...
Not mine.. Not yours.. Not The Tooth Fairys and certain not Elvis's responsibility to do so.
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tl;dr time.
FORNITS IS FORNITS.
Who cares what other forums do? We do what WE do. We've done it for years.. we won't change because someone can't handle it.
We are how we are, we don't hide it, we don't sneak it, we don't mislead, and we don't feel any shame about it. In fact, we're proud of it.
If you don't like it, you can argue and TRY to change our minds, or you can go, or you can accept it, or you can whine. Whatever you want.
But eventually we'll get sick of your whining and ignore it.
P.S. "cunt"
Look at the bad bad man that wants OH GOD NO free speech.
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OH GOD NO! NO! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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tl;dr time.
FORNITS IS FORNITS.
Who cares what other forums do? We do what WE do. We've done it for years.. we won't change because someone can't handle it.
We are how we are, we don't hide it, we don't sneak it, we don't mislead, and we don't feel any shame about it. In fact, we're proud of it.
If you don't like it, you can argue and TRY to change our minds, or you can go, or you can accept it, or you can whine. Whatever you want.
But eventually we'll get sick of your whining and ignore it.
P.S. "cunt"
Uhh..who is "we"? Why do you feel you are in a super elite commando squad? "We” are not the fuckin green berets. This is an internet forum. "I" am part of "we", and my "whining” is as valid as your "whining"
And I gave 5 examples of how things are altered or moderated, after a cursory glance about this forum, so stop with the talibanesque pretensions of purity and look beyond this parochial and selectively invoked zealotry.
p.s. Mature
Double p.s Antigen, whom I presume would be your "captain", brought this subject up...hows that for cognitive dissonance? :P
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We as in posters who have been here a long time and respect time honored rules and customs of this forum and won't bend because a sensitive noob can't deal with them.
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so stop with the talibanesque pretensions of purity and look beyond this parochial and selectively invoked zealotry
Hey now... that was a quite a mouthful!
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Is this Colbert posting anon?!?!?
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Is this Colbert posting anon?!?!?
Who? Here on this page?
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Who cares what other forums do? We do what WE do. We've done it for years.. we won't change because someone can't handle it.
Niles what is this WE SHIT? Speak for yourself BOY you are NOT fornits. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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We as in posters who have been here a long time and respect time honored rules and customs of this forum and won't bend because a sensitive noob can't deal with them.
Have you considered joining the the fellowship of the ring? Maybe an ancient sorority?
Then, The "time honored" crap will come off less silly .
By the way, the sensitive noob you are refering to is Antigen. I didnt bring this up. But on reading it, thought its a respectful way to behave to a survivor whos been illtreated by someone whose mentality reduced them to arguing with her parody. :roll: As you obviously missed it, twice, I brought up 5 examples of when the "time honoured prentsions" were scrapped. Go to page 2 with program survivor - ::read:: the thread was altered. I dont think that if you are involved in slagging a survivor instead of the Who all of a sudden the time honoured tradtions should re-ermerge.
how lame am i to be having this internet argument? pretty lame
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Is this Colbert posting anon?!?!?
Who? Here on this page?
umm i think he has a life :D
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Have you contacted Ginger directly about your concerns? I'm doubting she is even reading this thread anymore.
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jesus who would?
Im not even reading it...i think it would be a nice thing and since she brought it up .....Really what I would like to do is ascertain for certain out if someone was parodying her. I dont want people to think she was that violent insulting person...
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Jenny, Fornits is your life. You suck.
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I see your point. I would suggest you do this..
Cut and paste the exact posts(the entire post not just segments)... the page they are found on.. and the link to the thread..
put it all in a pm.
ask nicely..
send pm to Ginger...
She may or may not decide to look into it.
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I also find it amusing that people are throwing around rules that purportedly exist on this forum.
Post me a link to the rules please. Keep looking because their isn't one.
Traditions yes, but they are meant to be broken. Nothing is set in stone on Fornits. Other than my pathological hate for barney the purple dinosaur.
I'd think we be a bit more welcoming and accomodating of newer posters and their ideas. My own debut onto this forum was more well recieved than some of these program survivors, and I'm a former staff member.
Fuxxing Irony for you.
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Oh bla bla bla bla bla.
A few people got butthurt because I flamed back at someone flaming me. oh noes!1111oner
Jesus christ. Get drunk and go to sleep already. I did, and it worked for me!
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Jesus christ. Get drunk and go to sleep already. I did, and it worked for me!
apparently NOT since you are STILL RUNNING your mouth.
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Is this Colbert posting anon?!?!?
No this is not colbert. Try again!
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I also find it amusing that people are throwing around rules that purportedly exist on this forum.
I find it amusing that people claim ownership of this board...
I also find the fact that your wings match my tail pretty nifty too! Can I borrow them? :D *bounce*
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I also find it amusing that people are throwing around rules that purportedly exist on this forum.
I find it amusing that people claim ownership of this board...
I also find the fact that your wings match my tail pretty nifty too! Can I borrow them? :D *bounce*
I do too!!!
Thats why I got uppity with mrs you can't say this word and I own this issue and htis program.
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These wings are mine and I'm not going to share them.
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I also find it amusing that people are throwing around rules that purportedly exist on this forum.
I find it amusing that people claim ownership of this board...
I also find the fact that your wings match my tail pretty nifty too! Can I borrow them? :D *bounce*
I do too!!!
Thats why I got uppity with mrs you can't say this word and I own this issue and htis program.
touche
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These wings are mine and I'm not going to share them.
fine ill get some that are bigger and badder. :evil: :x :flame:
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I'll let you have them on loan providing your promise to return them in pristine working order. Failure to do so will result in bitter complaints.
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I'll let you have them on loan providing your promise to return them in pristine working order. Failure to do so will result in bitter complaints.
well i can handle bitter complaints so you're on! :D