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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: GregFL on May 02, 2006, 08:22:00 PM
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Who here has had them, and did you place them in a seed type program?
Who has found rolling papers on your kid? Joints? Smelled alcohol? Who has had kids that misbehave and are/were unrully?
How did you deal with it, and what was the final result.
I will start. My son, after my divorce, started drinking. He also hung around kids that smoked pot, but to this day says he only tried it once or twice. He also said he like to be around kids on extasy because he found it 'fascinating'.
I immediately, as Art would have suggested, placed him in SAFE under court order.
Just kidding. I showed my displeasure in his decisions but tried to support him. I worried. I saw him drive drunk and had him adamantly profess he 'washnt dhrunk' to my frustrated face.
Last week I went to his college graduation party. He now has a 4 year degree and is planning on teaching school while he applies for graduate school.
My daughter just turned 16, and is getting a little "stinky".
Sigh....
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Ask her for some of it, and give her a small lecture on using it responsibly when you're both high.
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pretty funny. I don't get high. I hope my daughter refrains as well.
anyone care to seriously answer the question?
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Sorry I guess I'm really getting old. Please define "stinky". We never had kids & I guess I'm not around my neices and nephewes all that much to hear new slang.
Unless I'm just a little dense and you mean she smells like pot.
I've said this before but my younger brothers never came on the program. I know my youngest brother never even tried pot. The other two did a couple of times but turned out OK. I never tried to get them on the program. They were not out of control like me. Although my one brother is a Baptist minister (we were all raised Catholic) so maybe smoking pot a couple of times leads to the Baptist Ministry.
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I am really interested in this topic as well. My kids have a few years, but I gotta say I don't really know how I would handle it and it is better to sort out the options from a distance.
G
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I'm already thinking about this and my daughter has just had her first birthday!
I think about my wife. She's a bit younger than me, so kids her age (gen x, not a boomer like me) did experiment but kind of knew what the consequences might be. They did some drinking, and other things, and all went on to be responsible, wage-earning people, now getting married and having their own kids.
I look at it this way - this stuff is out there, it will never be banned. I would hope to keep my daughter away from it for as long as possible, but at some point, she'll be exposed and I want her to understand what it is and why it's attractive to some people and why it's dangerous for some. I have several alcoholics in my family, some in AA and some who died or nearly did so I can see this. On the other hand, when I left the Seed I decided to use my own judgement so I did experiment, drink, and of course, smoke cigarettes which were by far the most difficult substance of all. I still drink in moderation, but I don't want that to be a central part of my daughter's life.
I think kids who are more vulnerable because they are lonely or angry or sad are going to have substance abuse issues. I think it's more a symptom than a cause early on, until it can become it's own major problem for addicts. [ This Message was edited by: cleveland on 2006-05-03 12:37 ][ This Message was edited by: cleveland on 2006-05-03 12:37 ]
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It's kinda funny. Most times its people that sill smoke pot and drink that always say cigarettes were the toughest to quit.
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cigarettes were the hardest to quit;
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Stinky..meaning argumentative (what we would have called in the day "druggie attitude"). I see no signs of drug use. YOu know, a typical 16 year old kid that wakes up and for a time resents her parents.
I am interested in what avenue people with kids have taken for 'treatment' or whatever.
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Hey Greg.... I sure feel what you going through. I am a single mom with a 15 year old girl and a 17 year old boy. My daughter is freshman at Hyde school in Bath Maine. She struggled with body image and effects of a horrible divorce not so much drugs and booze. Though I know comming home last winter break she partied with an old school mate it was a disaster. She worries about her brother who definately likes to experiment. I am totally truthful with them and even talk about the seed since finding this site. I really talk about the people who choose to make it a lifestyle and how they have no life or should I say good health. Kids are not stupid if I lie to mine they know it..I rather speak the truth to them and model that and they will call me on my shit. I gotta to be humble enough to handle their feedback....especially my girl there is a lot of anger and drama can go a long way at 15 and should know I see myself a lot in her. Karen K.
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On 2006-05-03 09:27:00, Johnny G wrote:
"cigarettes were the hardest to quit;"
And strangely, implicitely approved by the seed. My mother is on her death bed due to cigarrettes and still keeps smoking.
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I think 1980 ...everyone stopped smoking just about. or early 80's anyway.
Sorry to hear about your mom.
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Cigartettes were approved by the Seed.
Millions of people everywhere were hooked by the cigarette habit, Seed folks and other folks all included. Hell even the FDA approved of them for the longest time. It even took decades for them to be outlawed in resteraunts and other public placed. If you REALLY wanted to argue the case it would not be inappropriate to state that the damned government was negligent in not making them illegal due to the health hazard involved. Corporate self interests aside.
Hahah I smoked Kools back then and couldnt wait for the rap leader to light one up. It was always traumatic when a non-smoking person led the rap.
I remember driving through that seminole reservation and totally being disgusted with myself, yet buying that carton over and over each and every week. I hated every minute of smoking yet could not quit. I did about 3 packs a day.
Finally I had a heart attack. The two weeks of cigarette free hospitalization which followed gave me enough of a head start that I was able to continue thereafter without cigarettes and I have never wanted to go back.
For me, in a way, it was perhaps the same as giving up the drug culture lifestyle. ( I was no weekend warrior). I hated that also but just didnt know how to go about changing it until someone else showed me how.
I have honestly never had any desire to smoke cigarettes since that day.
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Thanks Ft Laud.
I quit at 18, but I will always remember getting packs of malboro red box from home, and also requesting the white tees with the pocket top. Then At 14, I trotted all around with the cigs in my top pocket. Pretty much everyone had cigs and a white tee, hair parted on the side, and jeans. It was, in 1973, the unofficial seed uniform for the 'guys'. Since the seed approved, my father didn't say anything. It seems Seedlings were almost alone in the ability to smoke cigarrettes in front of our parents.
Ironically, it proved to be far more dangerous than drinking or smoking dope. Go figure.
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I make home oxygen systems for treatment of smoking related diseases (emphesema etc.) I can't believe how many are sold.
I am also amazed that those that come in for repair are coated with cigarette residue ... go figure :???:
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my mom smokes while on her oxygen,and also goes on a breathing treatment just to open her lungs up enough to permit a cigarrette.
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have you ver seen a canula fire? think of a fuse in the cartoons. I touched an ash to the end of a tube connected to an oxygen unit as part of a science experiment with the kids and it blew me away how fast it burned back toward the unit.
we get burned up units all the time, from lawyers trying to sue us - the cause of the fire is always external to the unit.
your mom has probably done all the damage to herself with the cigarettes that she can, but the risk of fire cannot be understated.
A piece of copper tube in the canula tube might provide a firebreak.
be careful out there
perhaps a non rational adult using drugs?
G[ This Message was edited by: Johnny G on 2006-05-03 19:50 ]
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Seth and Johnny G, you guys were hard-core smokers - I remember Seth rolling out of bed and lighting up. Kools. Johnny G, you had Merits or something else vile like that. I smoked Kools when I worked with big Jim H. at the plating company, 'cause he did. Later I was a respiratory therapist and I pretty much quit. When I was 30, I married a young woman from art school - it was cool to smoke and she would light up in the shower! I finally got her to quit - about the same time she asked for a divorce.
I smoked a bit a year or two ago - like one a day or so. I started to see myself get hooked again, it's so so easy.
Seth, I am glad you did OK post heart attack. One of my coworkers went the same route, and he no longer smokes!
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On 2006-05-03 19:48:00, Johnny G wrote:
perhaps a non rational adult using drugs?
G[ This Message was edited by: Johnny G on 2006-05-03 19:50 ]"
absolutely and without a doubt she is non rational about her 'drug' usage. She will drink or smoke to the detriment and exclusion of everything else. She will choose cigarretes over her children and to the diminishment of what little time she has left on this earth. And she is not alone. It is said that cigarrette addiction/compulsion is a stronger urge than injectable drugs. Which brings me full circle...
how ironic was it that (at least until art quit in 1980) that cigarrette smoking was not only acceptable but part of the cultural of being a seedling? I mean, here we are, mostly non-addicts, being subjected to extreme experimental mind control techniques and addiction treatment, and the only drug that we are in real danger of being addicted to is being freely offered to us and encouraged by cultural and peer pressure?
another insane idea brought to you by The early 70s seed.
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Greg, sorry but you are sounding a little crazy to me. I think the whole world smoked back then. Think about all the things that have happened since . No Smoking in Movies was first, then malls and the restaurants government places then the world. Jesus Greg. I know you don't like the man, but he did alot of good even if he did smoke until 1980 or whenever.
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Yea it wasnt just seed kids that smoked it was the whole fucking crazy world, especially the drug culture ppl. (Im talking late 60's and early 70's)
I used to chain smoke four or five Kools over coffee before I ever left the house in the morning.
But when I think back why did I even begin smoking? Yea you know it... I was 14 and wanted to be cool. But cool back then wasn't really the hippies. We called the cool people greasers and they had that elvis hair do with the ducks ass and all that LMAO!
But Hey Cleveland you reminded me of something. Was that plating company you were talking about called Simpsens and located in Pompano? There was also a foundry across the street where a few of us worked.
I was up there right across the street this morning to get a topper put on my pickup. Simpsens is still there. (or was it Stimosons?)
That was one LOUD place.
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Johnny G were you one of the Vantage smokers?
That was my answer to reducing the tar & nicotine from my Marlboro's.
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Ya know come to think of it my High school had desiginated smoking areas also. I think those may not exist now as well. ( Hell my old High School may not exist, its been so long) :grin:
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When I came into the Cleveland Seed, Scott B. stood out in that he DIDN'T smoke. Staffers who smoked, there and in Ft. Lauderdale, included: Hank, Ginger, Lybbi, TK, Jim, Nona, Ken, Cliff (I think), Bob W., Bob K., - all the 'cool' people. The 'bad boys' and girls of the Seed. Besides Scott, Evy, Cookie and John P. were non-smokers. Maybe half of the kids who lived in the apartments smoked, maybe less, and definitely a lot less by the time I left in '86, with some strong exceptions.
I hope we've all quit by now!
Seth, I can't remember the name of the plating company but it was run by a one-armed man named Cliff. Very nice guy. I worked there with Jim, and Cindy - they later got married, and then - poof - gone.
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I think everyone one that list did quit, or had quit the last time I saw them.
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Wasn't it "tropical Circuits" or something like that, or was that by the airport?
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"Stimpson" gromits & gravits and fasners or some crap like that.
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Aww Comn, the whole world did not smoke, just OUR whole world smoked. My dad didn't, my older sister didn't, people were being placed in "iron lungs" and the pictures of burned up smoked out lungs were well in society.
It is not like we didn't know, and I was just pointing out the IRONY of the fact that we weren't addicted to anything, but under addiction treatment, being encoured to participate in a dangerous addictive substance that has been proven to be one of the biggest health hazards known to mankind.
Crazy or not, this is almost the very definition of Irony.
And BTW, I smoked marboros until 16, switched to vantages (bite that filter, bitch! :grin:). I had a standing promise to myself to quit at 18, and I did so. By then I was already experiencing shortness of breath when I would run.
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-05-04 12:52 ]
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Just about every kid I hung out with before the seed smoked. I can't remember anyone that smoked pot that didn't smoke cigarettes also. I guess there were some but none that I knew.
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Aww comn your own self. Every home had a couple of fancy ashtrays back then, and I have not seen many ashtrays these days. unless somene is smoking a fine cuban or something. Lucy probably smoked durring her pregnancy in the 50's as well. I think the flying nun & Gidget took up the habit as well. (no pun intended)They had cigarette commercials. Women libers were smoking Virginia Slims for god sake. Marlboro Country and all that. Sherrif Brody from jaws smoked. Wasn't Alice puffing away in the kitchen of the brady bunch too? :grin: [ This Message was edited by: Ft. Lauderdale on 2006-05-04 13:19 ]
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My high school had a smoking area, too - that was my yearbook picture.
I smoked B&H 100s, 4 packs a day when I was with associated circuits (I did some plating too) Cliff called me the cyanide kid then. Tom V. worked there, too. I went over to where cleveland, Jim and Cindy worked a few times but don't remember where it was. I think there is an embassy suites where associated circuits was.
I smoked vantage or True when I was cutting back.
I bummed a cigarette off Bob W at intake!
I also remember when one of the non smokers would lead a rap, that second hand never moved so slowly.
I quit a bunch of times, My wife to be finally got me to quit for real.
I knew one guy who smoked pot but not cigarettes (too cheap to smoke cigarettes).
G
I think Alice smoked pall mall non filtered :eek: [ This Message was edited by: Johnny G on 2006-05-05 12:11 ][ This Message was edited by: Johnny G on 2006-05-05 12:12 ]
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So far I have been lucky. My oldest is 23, she went through the "being legal" at 21 and for about 2 months would go out with friends a couple of times a week. Alcohol doesn't really suit her and I after a few times of getting really sick throwing up she realized that watching people getting drunk was a lot more fun.
I have 5 kids, (23,16,15,13 & 10) and can't complain. My 15 yr old last summer was talked into trying to huff freeon. He is a very bright kids, so after my initial shock and "what the hell were you thinking," we made him do a few hours of a google search on the effects. That and a kid he knew who did it (who passed out on a red ant pile) was enough for him to realize that wasn't the type of high he was looking for.
My kids are different from me, (of course I never even did drugs until after I went to the Seed) we have a pretty good family and they are suprisingly open with my husband and I. They have 2 uncles (one on my side and one on their biological moms side) that are living examples of why they shouldn't do drugs, and I think that helps.
For those who don't know me, my bother is also a Seed graduate and thinks it was a great place, and his life is a 30 year testament of heavy drug use, homelessness and jail.
I think the biggest risk is that there life is so bad that they are looking for a way out verses experimenting.
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On 2006-05-06 05:49:00, Jupiter Survivor wrote:(of course I never even did drugs until after I went to the Seed)
Man o man, just how common is this, that people went to the seed and did more drugs (or their first drugs) after graduating? I know I fit that scenario...
On 2006-05-06 05:49:00, Jupiter Survivor wrote:
For those who don't know me, my bother is also a Seed graduate and thinks it was a great place, and his life is a 30 year testament of heavy drug use, homelessness and jail.
And this too! Countless People who have had lives built around addiction and legal problems post seed sing the praises of the place.
More insane stuff from an insane time.
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My ex and I have two grown sons who both experimented with drugs.
The oldest smoked pot a few times after he got out of high school and of course had a fake id for years before he turned 2l. He didn't like pot, it made him sleepy and he was born sleepy, so it was a lousy combination and he didn't see what the big deal was. Alcohol, now that he's over 21, he can take or leave, no biggie one way or another to him. That and it costs too much money as far as he's concerned and he'd rather not waste is money on something he can't hold on to.
The youngest son, he smoked pot a little in high school, until a teacher nailed him and he joined the Army on early whatever it's called, during his senior year. Uncle Sams had him for a few years now, so drug wise according to what he says he's clean. Alcohol for him, now that's a whole 'nother story. It's his life and he's going to have to live it, not me.
As for having been in the Seed and thinking we'd know it, if it happened, both the ex and I missed the boat altogether. We didn't have a clue. We always had what everyone called "good boys", no badittitudes other than the typical teenage hormonal rush and typical teenage attitudes towards their parents, not a thing to give away what they were doing or what they were up to. Both of them ended up telling me later on, cause they both felt guilty - they're words - not mine.
Do I wish they hadn't tried drugs, yea, does it upset me that they did, no. They are "good boys". They are on their own, living their lives as they see fit, just the way they're supposed to. Our kids, just like everyone elses kids, will do what they will do, just as we did what we did. It's the course and nature of life. Some turn out better than others regardless of what we do or try, how we raised them and sometimes in spite of us and how we raised them. It's life.