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In her attempt to help Sue Scheff bring down FORNITS, Isabelle Zehnder lied about Joyce Harris in the email she sent Ginger Warbis:
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From: Ginger Warbis


Isabelle, do you really give a flyin' fuck at a rollin donut what people like these think?


At 11:57 PM 4/30/2006, you wrote:

Hi Ginger,

Did you see this? (see below) I know you don't like to censor the forum, but I think people are taking this way too far. Me and Sue Scheff? Me making money? Running interference between her and for Sue against WWASP? What on earth are these people talking about? I've gotten a $70 donation for CAICA, and spent thousands of our hard-earned dollars toward the cause. So money coming to me? Are they nuts? This could be some troll but nonetheless it reads like a threat and I would appreciate it if you could edit this stuff off Fornits. It's gotten out of hand, in my opinion.

All because what? Joyce Harris started this whole thing when she e-mailed me asking that I post the trial date. It went from an e-mail asking me to do something to long harrassing e-mails until finally I couldn't take her abuse any more and sent her links to prove I was not the only person around who puts kids names on the site with thei r stories. Every single other site does it.

But, when she wrote to the people who I sent her links to, she didn't ask them in the context that I said it, she worded it to benefit her and screw me. I know, someone forwarded me one of the e-mails that she sent to people. Of course when she sent me copies of their responses she did not include what she wrote to them.

What a waste of time and energy all of this is. I have stayed off Fornits for the most part (as I'm sure you've noticed) because it's a stress I don't need. It is nothing against you. I am upset because I felt you and I were getting to know each other and work well together. You were helping me to learn more about the industry and its history. Positive things were happening.


I will post the email exchanges betweem myself and Isabelle Zehnder which took place in April 2006.

My first correspondence with Zehnder was to request that she post an article on the Whitmore site.  At this time - Zehnder had Whitmore Academy on CAICA's Watchlist.

Zehnder, THEN requested a copy of the Whitmore Academy civil case documents from me; I informed her that my family was not plaintiffs in this case - and I then voiced my opinion about her policy of posting the names of minor children when she posted court documents on CAICA.

Zehnder provided me with a list of advocates she CLAIMED followed CAICA's policy of posting minor children's names. I emailed the adovocates Zehnder provided; and I assure readers - ALL ADVOCATES DO NOT PUBLISH THE NAMES OF MINOR CHILDREN WHEN THEY POST COURT DOCUMENTS - Zehnder is  wrong!

Isabelle Zehnder LIED when she stated that my emails to the advocates were "worded to benefit her and to screw me."

Isabelle Zehnder also LIED when she said my emails to her were any form of harrassment.

Isabelle Zehnder also LIED when she said that I requested that she removed Whitmore Academy from CAICA's WATCHLIST.

I will post the April 2006 email exchcanges between myself and Isabelle Zehnder in the next posting.

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Isabelle Zehnder's email states the following about the Sudweeks--former owners of the defunct Whitmore Academy: "they were very kind...they helped hundreds of kids."

Isabelle Zehnder states that her writings are based on interviews and her own investigations.  My statements are based on statements by other parents of  Whitmore students, and my own daughter's experiences at Whitmore Academy.

Fridays at Whitmore  were GOLDEN CORAL BUFFET NIGHT.
The sttudents were not allowed to eat breakfast or lunch on Fridays, since they got to "pig out at the buffet for dinner."

Isabelle:  This is NOT AN ACT OF KINDNESS to expect 40+ teenages to only have only one meal in a 12 hour period--which was the normal day at Whitmore Academy--since the kids usual woke up at 6Am...and did not go to "BUFFET" until around 6 PM.

Once, when the group arrive at Golden Coral with these HUNGRY children---my daughter, age 12 1/2 got into line with the other students.  Cheryl Sudweeks walked up to her and said:
   "You sit over there, You are not eating."

This little girl--who had not eaten any food since the evening before was not allowed to eat.  She had to sit and watch all the other kids fill, and re-fill their plates from the buffet line and eat in front of her.
She had not idea why Cheryl Sudweeks was "mad at her" or what she had done "wrong."
My daughter said: "She knew better than to argue, or cry---because she knew Cheryl would just get madder, and she would be in more 'trouble' when they got back to the Mansion, so she just sat there, and waited to get back on the bus and leave."

Isabelle:  What was KIND about this humiliation; and denial of food of my daughter?

This "withholding of food as punishment" happened to other children,  on a consistent basis at Whitmore Academy.  My daughter wasn't singled out by the Sudweeks.  How does this type of "punishment" help children?

Isabelle Zehnder wrote in her email that posters on FORNITS are "idiots."  I challenge you to call me an IDIOT Mrs. Zehnder.  I don't claim to have a college degree---I actually have one!
And, the only "name" I have called you is a "liar"--because you have written lies about me.
II haven't attacked you,  your family, your personal morals, your career---because I don't even know you.

But, I do take issue with you wrapping the words "kindness and helpful" around the Sudweeks---when you don't know the whole story of what went on at Whitmore Academy:  because you haven't asked to hear all sides....and in my opinion that is what an "investigative journalist" does-- he/she listens to all sides; and reports accordingly.

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Web forum hosting / Delete My account.
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[ This Message was edited by: Joyce Harris on 2006-03-31 18:44 ]

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Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore / WHITMORE has it's own little
« on: June 07, 2005, 12:57:00 AM »
Seems the Whitmore Academy has set up it's OWN Forum:   WhitmoreAcademy.Com

But don't expect we will all be ACCEPTED as a member...
and it has it's own "STUDENT" MODERATOR...and THEY HAVE RULES OVER THERE!!!!

No foul language!!!
Guess those Whitmore Students can only say "FUCK, PUSSY, BITCH, SHIT, ASSHOLE" and all those kinds of words here on FORNITS.

AND there can be no "spamming,"---you know like when the Whitmore bunch filled up this forum with pages and pages of QUOTES and QUOTES and QUOTES.......

AND...there can be NO THREATS at all.
Well---guess when they want to threaten other students and parents, they will just have to come back here and post, huh?

AND there can be no invasion of PRIVACY RIGHTS-- GEE, wish they had observed THAT RULE before they published my daughters confidential records here on FORNITS.

Their moderators will attempt to "remove or edit any objectionable material as quickly as possible......"---MY isn't that nice????--Perhaps if anyone over there calls me a "Lesbian child abuser" (which I AM NOT) that little STUDENT MODERATOR will just quickly hit that delete key, RIGHT?

AND there will be NO "sexually-oriented" posts-- so there goes calling all these former Whitmore females students "whores and sluts," right???

I did not understand the portion in the "legal" section that states Whitmore Academy has the right to "modify" what is posted on the site....that sounded a bit strange to me--but I'm certainly not an attorney.

That should be a right-nice little forum.
THINK WE SHOULD ALL GO OVER THERE AND CHAT?

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[ This Message was edited by: Joyce Harris on 2006-03-31 18:22 ]

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Since most of us parents, if not all, were referred to Whitmore Academy by Sue Scheff at P.U.R.E---please read my posting:

"Sue Scheff:  Did WWASP v PURE Win Mean "Freedom of Speech" to All or Just YOU?"
It is under the TEEN HELP INDUSTRY just above the WHO AM I DISCOVERY-WHITMORE section.

I received a letter from Ms. Scheff's attorney yesterday April 21, 2005, because she is upset about my statement to ISAC, and my critical remarks about her placement of our daughter at Whitmore Academy. And I am sure about my criticism that she has continued to place children at Whitmore while the Sudweeks are under investigation for allegations of child abuse and fraud.

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I was a little confused when I received a letter from Sue Scheff's attorney David H. Pollack today.  It seems Ms. Scheff takes the position that I can not criticize what I consider an unwise placement of my daughter at the Whitmore Academy by Ms. Scheff.  Isn't this the similiar situation Ms. Scheff was in when she was criticizing WWASP when WWASP choose to sue Ms. Scheff, and demand that Ms. Scheff STOP speaking negatively about WWASP?  The main difference I see, is that I am not in any business competition with Ms. Scheff--as she was with WWASP.  
I do believe Ms. Scheff won this case, thereby showing that I have the same rights that Ms. Scheff had as a MOTHER-- and that I can speak out in what I believe is a truthful way and say: that my daughter was placed in a school at the recommendation by Ms. Scheff that was misrepresented to me and my husband on several levels. My husband and I have made our formal statement to ISAC explaining why we withdrew our daughter from Whitmore Academy, and why we are displeased with Sue Scheff and P.U.R.E.

Just as Ms. Scheff had the right to speak out on her own daughter's behalf--we have that right to speak out on our daughter's behalf.  We are not interfering with Ms. Sheff's business anymore than she was interfering with WWASP's business before they chose to wrongfully bring a lawsuit against her.

Mr. Pollack's letter mistates information about us.  It states that Ms. Scheff "provided us with information on several schools at your request."  This is untrue.  Ms. Sheff only told us about TWO schools: Whitmore Academy and Sunrise Academy.

The letter also states that "...You not only visited Whitmore and spoke to its owners before placing your daughter there"  This is  also untrue.  We never had a prior visit to Whitmore.  We only came to Whitmore the day we dropped off our daughter.  We did not speak to the OWNERS prior to placing our daughter. We only spoke to Mark Sudweeks.  As a matter of fact--Cherly Sudweeks would not return our MANY phone calls until NOVEMBER, and that was only after we sent an email that we were withdrawing our daughter from the school.

The letter from Sue Scheff's attorney, promising "to take appropriate legal action," appears to be an attempt to say I do not have the same rights that Ms. Scheff won in her case against WWASP.

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I have been asked why we didn't check the Whitmore Academy out more closely before enrolling Zita?

I seems lame now, but we THOUGHT we had.

Thinking we were sending our daughter to an academic boarding school that offered therapy for Reactive Attachment Disorder:

We checked the creditials/License of the therapist, Tim Lowe and found he was in good standing and had no law suits against him.
We interviewed him, and liked him.

We read all we could find about Whitmore Academy, and WRONGLY ASSUMED the information was true: The Who Am I Discovery brochures were impressive, & we believed the Sudweeks had schools in Mexico, Canada. We believed staff in their Equine Horse program were trained under Monty Roberts, "The Horse Whisperer."  We believed their school as advertises was "fully accredited" and that theteachers were certified.

Mainly,  we believed Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E. who referred us to Whitmore Academy.  Why?She "saved us from enrolling our daughter at Majestic Ranch, a WWASP program," after I called her.

The first 3 weeks of Zita's enrollment at Whitmore, the Sudweeks had the students at Lake Powell. Our concerns were the "normal parent worries," was she safe doing water activities, was she homesick, did she like the kids, was her school work going OK??...that sort of thing.

Immediately we became concerned with Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks, and Whitmore Academy, itself--- and I voiced these concerns to Sue Scheff.

One concern: the lack of any contact from the Sudweeks. We knew they had cell phones at Lake Powell.  We deserved, AT LEAST, a phone call that Zita, age 12 was adjusting OK with a group of total strangers.

Another concern: Given access to the Whitmore Weblog,we discovered the students at Whitmore were ALL older teenagers. It was obvious there were no  12-14 young girls Zita's age as we had been told by Sue Scheff prior to enrolling her.

I contacted Sue Scheff and voiced this concern, since I was uncomfortable having my 12 year old daughter around a group of only older teenagers.

Sue Scheff's October 18, 2004 email addressed my
 concerns about the: 1) lack of contact with the Sudweeks  2) lack of any students Zita's age

Sue Scheff said, "I want to put your mind at ease. Once you meet Mark and Cheryl all your worries will be so small. From the bottom of my heart they are the most loving and caring people I have ever met... I honestly believe they are a gift from Above.    Ask anyone about Cheryl's smile, it is infectious."

This DID NOT ADDRESS the lack of contact!

Sue Scheff said:" 3 girls 13 years old are going to Whitmore this week from my area.  It will be nice for Zita to have girls her own age...."

No three girls age 13 were EVER enrolled during my daughter's stay at Whitmore.

I checked with Tim Lowe, while the group was at Lake Powell, and he verified that no new girls had enrolled at Whitmore.

I emailed Sue Scheff again about  there being no girls Zita's age as she had promised... and TWO new concerns:  1)Animal Abuse in Canada, and 2) New Hope Academy in Samoa and  The  Sudweek's business association with Steve Cartisano.

Sue Scheff's email of October 24, 2004

She said: "The issue in Canada was awful, just terrible.  It nearly destroyed Mark and Cheryl emotionally.  Mark just plead guilty to put it behind them."

She did not mention Steve Cartisano at all, but said: "I did not hear of the incident with the Wilderness Program. I am going to ask Maria about it.  Down in Samoa? Strange."

She did not mention the 3 girls who just "never showed up at Whitmore" but went on to discuss 3 OTHER ENTIRELY DIFFERENT "potential students:"

"The 3 girls are coming in are confidential information. 2 sisters (l is adopted and one biological)........Then the 1 girl is also adopted, she may be a foreign adoption, I don't recall."

(Sue Scheff disclosed confidential information about these 3 potential students, and their parents that I surely would not want her telling about my family.)

During my daughter's enrollment at Whitmore, none of these girls ever showed up at Whitmore EITHER. Sue Scheff just kept promising us that girls Zita's age "would be enrolling."

Zita's first 3 weeks at Whitmore were spent at Lake Powell, and we had no contact with her.

After Zita retunred Whitmore in Nephi we became even more concerned! Our communications with Zita were limited by the Sudweeks. When we received ONE email from Zita, it was obvious that it was not written by her,and it was written at 3:12 AM -- this really conerned us!

Things we read in a PPI, a self-report by Zita gave us great concerns. At this point I wrote Mark Sudweeks an email on November 10, 2004 informing him my husband was coming to Utah to pick up Zita.

This email resulted in a conference call with Cheryl,her daughter Trinity & Zita'scounselor  David--we decided to leave Zita at Whitmore 2 more weeks. This was the FIRST and ONLY time I ever spoke to,OR received any communications from Cheryl Sudweeks, although I had left approximately 15 messages for her to call me.

Then the abuse allegations arose, and we picked Ziat up from Whitmore on November 27,2004.
 
Had I followed my instincts,OR I asked myself these questions seriously-- perhaps Zita would have come home right away, and not have been abused.

 For what purpose does Sue Scheff continue to send me emails and lie to me?
Why does Cheryl Sudweeks refuse to talk to me? Why won't the Sudweeks let us talk with Zita?  
Why is Zita so depressed and sad?
Why is Zita up at 3AM in the morning?
Why isn't Zita going to school?
Why isn't Zita doing the Equine horse program?
Why isn't Zita playing outside in the snow?
Why does Zita keep asking for an Airport Card
  when  her computer doesnot need one?
  Why is everything KIDS REPORTING ON KIDS?
Why can't anyone explain Subliminals?
Why are sick kids forced to go to church?

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When we began the enrollment process of our daughter at Whitmore Academy, the Sudweeks had the students at Lake Powell.

Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E. recommended Whitmore Academy as we have explained in our Statement to ISAC.

Tim Lowe, the therapist at Whitmore was the "acting" Admissions Director. He sent us the brochures, contract, and various paperwork that we needed to enroll our daughter at Whitmore.
Tim Lowe was the person who met us at Whitmore to accept our daughter at Whitmore the day we dropped her off. We signed our contract, and additional paperwork with him, and he accepted our initial payment of the first and last month, and a $2,000 fee. We were required to go to a local bank to have some paperwork notarized for him.

Tim Lowe told us on this occassion, and in 3 later telephone conversations that ALL of the placements at Whitmore Academy were made by Sue Scheff of P.U.R.E.

We assume that this information from Tim Lowe is true.  We can not think of any reason that he would lie to us, as parents.

We can not think of any reason that this would be information that would be harmful for us as parents to know, since Ms. Scheff referred us to Whitmore Academy, also.

If anyone is interested in knowing what percentage of students at Whitmore Academy, either now, or in the past are placed by P.U.R.E. we would think this information would be readily available; and can not think of any reason that both Whitmore Academy and P.U.R.E would not want to provide that information to the public.

What could be wrong with P.U.R.E.'s placement of students at Whitmore?

Besides the complaints voiced in our Statement about P.U.R.E, my other  concern with P.U.R.E has been its continued placement of children at Whitmore Academy while the owners are under investigation for abuse.  That is my own opinion, but I would think that a professional organization would not place any children at a school until the investigation is complete, and that the placement organization is 100% sure that the owners have done no wrong.

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