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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / We need your help
« on: July 26, 2002, 11:30:00 PM »
If anyone form SAFE is fearful of being found out ,just post anonymously. No one will be much the wiser. SAFE is in under some tense times right now. So now is the time to voice your story. They can not harm you anymore, do not let fear that they so readly instill, keep you from opening up.

We are here to help you. You will be heard and supported and know that many of us have been where you are today. We understand.

Talk to us or Ginger and I will have to continue having an ongoing two way post/reply.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Open Meeting
« on: July 20, 2002, 11:49:00 PM »
Just wondering if SAFE has changed as Brian Seeber has stated, can the public attend open meetings? Help me to understand why the public  can not go into OPEN meetings. And most of the visotrs are escorted out before MIC TALKS began, why is that?

I often wondered if this was such a fantastic program, why wasn't there waiting lists. In any qualified true, honest drug rehabs there is usually a wating list. Why are parents asked to donate money, why are they asked to recruit clients, why about half are from Maryland and out of state?

Also if this is a loving program why can't parents love their child? Instead they are asked to berate, humiliate and bring their child to tears in front of others. The angrier the parent gets in the MIC TALKS the better the praise they receive afterwards.

ANd if the parent did not get angry enough, that parent got stood up and reamed from the group and commenced parents. I for one would never scream and yell at my when he was sick. Imagine your child puking and you yell and scream, I am sure that would stop the puking right? Or if he had a fever of 102, and I would scream  it would bring it back to normal. Then when I was done screaming and the child was brought ot tears I would say "Luv you".

Joe's Apartment / Lets Rock
« on: July 07, 2002, 10:29:00 AM »
Hello it is a

Protest at SAFE INC JULY 12

4:15-5:00 A social meeting ground at
      3700 S. Orange Blossom Trail
      Orlando, Fl
      Tee-Shirts available for $15
      Printed flyers will be given out

5:00-5:15-Caravan down to SAFE. It is about
          a 2 minute drive from Dennys
          SAFE Inc
          4563 S. Orange Blossom Trail
          Orlando, Fl 32839

We want a successful but peaceful protest. Now is the time for the Surviovrs to yell and get the anger out. But please try to refrain from profanities, the kids in SAFE will be able to hear you. Be an example, let the kids know that you are there for them and share your stories. Let them know they have support if they want to book.

Do not attack the parents, they are clueless to what is happening behind the closed doors. Our purpose is to educate them and make ourselves approacable if they chose to talk to any of us. This is one of our goals.

Get your signs ready and perhaps an extra for the supporter who walks on. If you can not make the social at Dennys please just head down to SAFE.

If I was computer savvy I would have attached maps but COULDN'T.

LETS CLOSE THE DOORS TO HELL and save the kids.


Joe's Apartment / July 12 is a DEFINITE GO
« on: June 30, 2002, 11:02:00 PM »
I am sorry there was confusion about the dates. After much discussion yes we are going to picket July 12 &13 and again on July 18. I plan to be there for all of the mentioned dates.

July 12 is especially important as that is Parent weekend SAFE will have more activity.Parents are due back agin on Saturday morning and time varies I am trying to find that out now. When I was there it was at 9:00a.m. Give everyone time to wake up & shake out the the cobwebs.  Rich has stated his friends will support us also on the 12. So please send on your comments to Kim about slogans and ideas. Time is not on her side. Thanks Kim.

Joe's Apartment / Friday July 12,(?) SAFE INC
« on: June 30, 2002, 02:15:00 PM »
I have a question here should we wait for the SAFE picket on July 18th?  We were going to schedule July 12 at SAFE because it is Parent weekend and more parents will be in town as that is a mandatory weekend for them to be there. I would like you thought son this before we make July 12 a definite date.

Joe's Apartment / progress
« on: June 28, 2002, 06:31:00 PM »
Just a brief update. Hotels are being looked into where out of state parents stay and also for guests who want to do an overnighter. Sam is looking into group rates. I for one am planning on it as I would like to go back in the A.M. when the parents have to become clients and lineup outside.

Also tossing around transportation up, all going together. We are tying to get a preliminary head count.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Knighted
« on: June 26, 2002, 09:10:00 PM »
I was knighted moderator. So  please be gentle with me.

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Please forgive me
« on: June 26, 2002, 12:36:00 AM »
I am a surviving mom, not a client. Last Saturday when I explained to a friend (I don't do this much for the following reasons) about SAFE. Their comment was that of disgust and said "Why did you put him in there? I would never forgive you if you did that to me". That was 4 days ago and I am still ashamed and so full of guilt. I can be OK for awhile until someone who hasn't been there states things of this sort. Then it all comes back.. I can't close my eyes to sleep, the feelings the picture of my son when we pulled him and they brought him to us haunts me. He was white (sun deprivation, self mutilated scars which were infected, shoeless,shuffling like a zombie, babbling, not making sense, crying, afraid it was a trick. He lost tolietry privlages, so his hair was greasy and acne was horrible.

He was only 13. He was a terrible misbehavior (that actually saved his life). I am his mother, his protector. Yet he would lay in the time out room for 10-12 hrs a day  and watch the ants. ANd when he was locked in for the night with the other 4 boys he would put his cheek against the wall as it was cool as he tried to block out the other client who was masturbating. Trying to stay in touch with reality. The wall was his reality for that moment.

My heart is full of so much pain.. The trigger "how could you do that" immediatly flooded me with how could I have done this to him. He is an incredible young man. He is now 16.  I have apologized over and over and over to him. He said "Mom it is ok you didn't know". Sometimes I think I would feel better if he would just wail on me. Maybe that would ease my guilt. Doubt it!

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