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What does this mean...

"THIS CAUSE having come on to be heard on Plaintiff's emergency Motion for Temporary Injunction and the Court having heard argument of counsel, and being otherwise advised in the Premises, it is hereupon,
ORDERED AND ADJUDGED said Motion be, and the same is hereby Denied without prejudice."

Well, it looks as if Spots can now join the guilt by association club. Lee and Co have been members a long time. I include myself in Co.

I have no association with PURE at all.
I am however a proud ex Trekker.

Carey brought my name up in her deposition with frequency. What she had to say was degrading and slanderous; and while much of it was just her warped opinion, based on her extreme levels of hate; other statements were known by her to be false

If you are a proud ex Trekker, as you claim to be, then stand up and be counted...give your name.

SHOW US HOW PROUD YOU ARE!!!!

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Q.  Since the initiation of PURE in February 2001, have you referred to schools other than those that you've listed?

A.  Yes.  I use to refer to XXXXX XXXXXXXX and I no longer refer to them.  Let me think, Oh, XXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX, that was the one I was thinking of, is one that I refer to.

Q.  Oh, thats a present referral?

A.  I'm sorry, yeah, that is a present one.  It just came to mind because I'm trying to remember.  I used to refer to XXXXXXX XXXXX.

Q.  Any others that you can recall?

A.  I'm thinking.  No, I don't think so.

Q.  Of those programs that you presently refer parents to--

A.  Uh-huh (affirmative.)

Q.  do you know programs other than XXX XXXXXXXX that use offshore or international campuses?

A.  You mean XXX XXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXXX that go to Costa Rica?  Is that what you are speaking of?

Q.  Right.

A.  Okay.  And I have to look at the list again.  That use offshore?

Q.  Yes.

A.  No.

Q.  So XXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX is the only one that you are aware of that uses--

A.  That goes--

Q.  That has campuses that is not in the United States?

A.  That is correct.

Q.  Do you know why they use that campus?

A.  They just do it in the beginning, it's a breakdown for the child.  They bring them over to--

Q.  Its What?

A.  It's like their initial, when they first enter the program, I think, I beleive it's, is it that or -- I didn't look into XXX XXXXXXX.  Donna had looked at them and I don't recall.  It's either--I'm trying to think if that was the program that did it during--once they have to earn a privilege to go out there.  I don't recall.  I don't recall, Im sorry.  I don't recall.

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"Randall, when a call would come in that had my code on it Randall would get the call.  Randall handled all of my accounts."

Randall worked for 3 WWASP schools for a period of time, and yet he never reported any abuse of children?  He was as CSA, Tranquility Bay and Dundee.  

Well according to an email I recieved from Sue, "he is in hiding, waiting for a protective order,as WWASP has people in the mafia."  When I was fighting legally to protect my kids, she did not want me to conact him for this reason, at least that was the reason she stated in her email.  I don't think so.  I think she did not want me to contact him because the two of them were in cahoots with their referral business with WWASP and she did not want people to know about that.  Plus, a relative of Randall's, works for a competative program, one in which she has referred to.  I wonder if when the referrals started going to this other program if that was around the same time Randall left Dundee?

Could somebody please tell me where on this site I ever published any information on Sue's disabled child.  According to this law suit this is what I am being accused of:

"the sole purpose in doing so was to cause Scheff and her disabled minor child to suffer severe emotional distress and destroy Pure and interfere with its ability to conduct business and advocate on behalf of children."

Hell, I did not even know she had a disabled child.  How is it I am hurting him, I can't help it that she is his mother.  I am just telling what has and is happening.

It also says:  "They also sought to publically humiliate Schef and her family by publishing highly personal and private information about Scheff and her disabled child on interactive bulletin boards read by members of the public and persons who work with at risk teens, and threatened to destroy her financially and "take down" her business." :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Somebody please show me where any of this occured.  Is this a joke.

Also, did she throw in the part about "her disabled child" for sypathy.  God does she use children,  for her own personal gain, or what.

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Ginger, is it harrasment or is it stalking when people post your social security number and then start calling you place of employment with threats of being sued if you don't keep quiet?

Come on guys, get a grip.  You can not shut me up.  What I know I will tell.

This testimony, by Amber Lee, took place at and around the same time I contacted her about my objections to my boys placement at Dundee.

It begins with her being sworn in.  It is in the custody case between XXXXXX V. XXXXXX.  This is on July 19, 2002.

Mr. Johnson:  The Petitioner calls Ms. Amber Lee Knight to the stand.

The Court:  Please raise your right hand.  AMBER LEE KNIGHT, being duly sworn was examined and testified as follows:

The Court:  Okay.  Please be seated.  State your name, and its important to speak up so everyone can hear you.

The Witness:  All right.  My name is Amber Lee Knight.

The Court:  How do you spell Amberl?

...Yada Yada Yada...

By Mr. Johnson:

Q.   Ms. Knight, please describe your background.

A.   I have a bachelor's degree in chemistry and history education, and I have taught high school for two years.  I also have a master's in international government focusing on -- it's socioeconomic government.

The Court:  Where are your degrees from?

The Witness:  Brigham Young Universtiy, your Honor.

The Court:  In Provo?

The Witness:  Yes.

A.   I had become invovled by working as a consultant in Washington...

The Court:  What was the question?

Mr. Johnson:  Your Honor we had taken a break...

The Court:  No.  Let's have your question.

Q.   (By Mr. Johnson) Where are you employed?

A.   I am employed at the academy.  It's Dundee Ranch, Ortino, Costa Rica.

Q.   How did you become employed by the academy?

A.   I worked as a consultant in Washington,D.C and took assignment there, a ten-week assignment to guide the accredidation process.  At that time I...after about 6 weeks I worked there they offered me a job as director, and because I had seen the amazing results, just fabulous changes in the kids' lives I decided to stay.

Q.   Could you please briefly describe your duties as director at the academy.

A.  Yeah.  It's director of the academy.  I... I am in charge of day to day operations including medical, acadmic, communication, employees, all of those things with the kids.  I spend a lot of time with the individual also, and because that's something that I c hoose to do because I care about them.

Q.   Do your duties bring you into direct contact with (the child invovled in this custody despute)

A.   Yes they do.  I spend about a three to five hours a week with her in group, and then about 15 minutes to about two hours depending on the week individually talking to her.

Q.   What kinds of activities do you do with Ms. XXXXX?

A.   We do yoga together.  Iread the kids bedtime stories sometimes.  We've talked individually.  We've talked in a group setting.  I listen to other girls given her...

The Court:   Slow down.  It's okay.

A.   I listen to other girls giving her feedback.  I've helped her in the school work.

Q.   Has she had the opportunity or have you had the opportunity to directly discuss (the childs) feelings with her about her progress in the school work

A.   Yes I have.  From the first week that I was there until now I've been listening to her as she describes her relationship with her parents, both her father and her mother.

Q.   Could you please briefly tell the Court what your observations have been.

A.   (The Child) views her mother as a person...

Ms. Heard:  Your Honor, I'm going to object.  It's hearsay from (the child), what she thinks.

The Court:  Okay. Sustained.

Mr. Johnson:  Thank you , your honor.

Q.  (By Mr. Johnson)  Let's move on.  Could you please describe briefly this program to the Court so the Court has an understanding of what the program is about.

Mr. Johnson:  And I will probably refer the Court to Exhibit 1.

The Witness:  Yes.

Q.  (by Mr. Johnson)  First of all, who prepared Exhibit 1?

A.   I prepared it.

Q.  And is it an accurate and truthful reflection of statements of progress through the program?

A.  Yes, it is.

Q.   Okay, okay.  First of all, the academy at Dundee Ranch is an affiliate school of a worldwide association of specialty schools and programs?

A.   We have over 20 years of experience, 2,000 students currently, but thousands of students who have successfully completed the program, and we have ten facilities worldwide.  So this program has been in development for the last 20 years.  We...its based on a self-directed merit system where kids can go through the levels and as they progress through levels they receive increased privilieges, rewards for their appropriate behaviour.
     The majority of our students are not students who have severe drug and alcholo addiction issues, but the majority of the kids who are master manipulators.  They're kids who know how to manipulate whatever situation they are in, including the staff sometimes, but usually...but they are master manipulators, getting what they want instead of getting...getting out of the situation.  What we found in our experience is that the problem generally lies in the breakdown of family structure.
     So our program is specifically designed to not only help the student overcome their negative behaviours, but also the family.  And, if you look at Exhibit 1 what you'll see is...we have a series of emotional growth seminars to go through...the kids go through and that the adults go through, also.  And then once they both have tools of accountabiltiy, learning how to take accountability with actions, dealing with integrity, having relationships for themselves and other people, and...mostly it is about accountability.  What we do is bring them together, the phone calls, and in parent/child seminars.
     In fact, in order to graudate the program we require that the parents go through one individual seminar, and then the three other seminars, the parent/child 1, 2 and 3.  The program as I have said I've seen amazing results.  Kids who graduate the program...I believe a proper witness brought this up...kids that graudate the program have a 92 percent rate, meaning they are not going back into old habits.  Again, I want to stress these are not hardened criminals.  These are kids that are good manipulators in situations and have behavioral problems.
     And, 50 percent are out of school, soley for school issues, not for drugs or alcohol.  



She goes on to discuss the sucess rate.  Amber Lee is discussing nonrecidivism as it relates to kids leaving the program at the different levels.
She continues on about the education the kids receive.

Just a little more that I found interesting:

The Court:  Has she been having any psychlogical problems that nec...let's say, in the last month or 6 months, that necessitated any intervention?

The Witness:  NO, she has not.  We...the Chrislers requested a psychological evaluation.  I beleive I don't have a copy of that.  But she...she's...she misses home just like any normal person.  I mean, I miss home.  I do.  We all miss home.  It's my opinion that this is the best thing for her as a child.

[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-28 09:37 ]

Martha,

You had a son at Dundee.  He was one of the first boys enrolled there.  You told me you made trips down there a couple of times while he was there.  You told me that you were very close to both Amberly and Joe.  You told me that you had dinner with them on occassion.  You told me that you and Amberly became very close over the course of her stay at Dundee. You left your son at Dundee for the length of the one year contract.

When the doctor in my case testified and the newspaper quoted a statment he made about Geoff and how he felt like the movies he watched were a threat to him, the ones on the prisoners of war, you called me to tell me that was ridiculas.  You stated that they were docmentaries like those seen on the history channel.  You told me there was no abuse.  I told you that given the situation and the fact that the boys were in a place where they felt isolated and in a place where others had total control over them, strangers, if they say they felt like it was a threat, who were YOU to deny them their feelings.  If that is how they felt, then that is how they felt.  

My question to you is:  Why did you leave your child at Dundee as long as you did given the visits you made there and given the close contact you had with Amberly?