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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 25, 2009, 05:46:03 PM
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Jim Baker, known to everyone at HLA as "Jim Sir", died yesterday, September 24, from cancer. I think most of us will remember him as one of the few good guys at HLA. He was a former colonel in the U.S. Army and commanded troops on the ground in Viet Nam. He treated everyone with dignity and respect.
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I hope it was prostate cancer.
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I hope it was prostate cancer.
what an asshole. Jim sir was a good guy, unlike most of the rest of the staff there. He may have been a dickhead sometimes, but that was just his sarcasm. He had nothing to do with any of the bad parts of HLA: he never brainwashed anyone, never forced anyone into thinking anything, never consequenced anyone (unless they really deserved it), never went on power trips, never disrespected or belittled anyone. what the fuck did jim sir ever do to you that warrants you dancing on his grave? what, he made you graze lower left too often for your liking?
RIP Jim Sir Baker.
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"Jim Sir" made fun of my friend's son's weight issue - which was a MAJOR reason why he was there. Don't try to patronize or immortalize Jim Sir. There are plenty of kids who could tell you about a really bad side of him. If that's what you want - Game On!
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Was his last name really Sir? Or did he just make you say that? Curious.
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Was his last name really Sir? Or did he just make you say that? Curious.
He was a Gentleman, that was always polite and said "Sir", earning him the nickname "Jim Sir".
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"Jim Sir" made fun of my friend's son's weight issue - which was a MAJOR reason why he was there. Don't try to patronize or immortalize Jim Sir. There are plenty of kids who could tell you about a really bad side of him. If that's what you want - Game On!
then game on.
you're friend's son is a humorless and overly sensitive pussy. Jim Sir made fun of everyone, not just your friend's fatass son. He's a Colonel, served in vietnam, what do you expect? and he's not the stereotypical mean drill sergeant/colonel, he's a funny sarcastic one. Like the surfing aficionado from apocalypse now. He was about as harmless as a fuzzy white bunny. If you're friend's fatass son (let me guess...brianL) couldn't take it, then he was a pussy. No one I know ever took offense, or took personally, anything jim sir ever said. Everyone i know from HLA has only positive memories of him, if you had a facebook account, you would have been taken aback at the response to his death on people's statuses. Seriously, Jim Sir would talk about dorm C (females) GRAZING (like cows) lower left on a weekly basis....because the females, unlike the males, did nothing but sit around at the field. hence the cow analogy. no girl ever thought twice about that. Or the times he would make fun of the music kids; telling the whole student body about how damn annoying they are, and how there a bunch of geeks who like to pleasure themselves with strings tied to boxes. no one thought twice about that either, considering jim was an excellent musician himself. He would make fun of the weight-lifting lovers, and call them juicers and meatheads. or the soccer team, for being wannabe europeans. He would send off the wrestling team sometimes with a "good luck with the humping". he would even make fun of the AA kids, telling them to enjoy their bi-weekly coffee binge. It's a long laundry list of things, and your friends lardass son seems to be the only flaming pussy around who is so humorless and wussified that he takes offense to anything jim said to him.
Anyway, if you're a fatass, and you get sent away for being fat, wouldnt it be in your best interest to have someone point out that you're fat daily and force you to exercise, rather than coddle you and ignore your problem so you can continue to live in denial?
Understandably, Jim SIr did exhibit behavior that may be interpreted by someone who doesn't know him as mean. he's just funny, in a mean way; or mean, in a funny way. again, not someone who's mean comments should be taken seriously. You have to draw the line somewhere at what abuse is and isnt. alot of things that went on at HLA were abusive, but unless you think every fat kid should be coddeled like a baby well into their late teens, and their weight ignored, than you are just a big fat stretched out spoiled pussy. There were abusive staff at HLA and Jim Sir was definitely not one of them.
this kinda reminds me of the movie full metal jacket. you're friend's lardass baby is like gomer pyle (the guy who shot himself on the toilet), and Jim Sir is like the drill sergeant. Gomer Pyle was just a weakling that did not belong in boot camp in the first place, and would have been a liability on the battlefield anyway; and it was his own fault for not getting with the program and loosing some weight. He just wanted to be coddled by his mamma, and couldnt take some guy screaming in his face with a grain of salt. Jim sir was alot more mellow than that drill sergeant, ALOT more mellow. Survival of the fittest. Natural selection. that's all i got to say.
It really grinds my gears that some people think that anything, any sort of unpleasant interaction, as abuse or harassment. It's one thing to be forced to carry a coffin full of nutter butters in freezing rain up a mountain and it's another to be called a fat when you're morbidly obese. Kinda like the torture/interrogation scandal, where terrorists were complaining about being forced to stay up for a few days or get waterboarded. guess what? ever heard of a fraternity? most fraternity's pledge processes are no easier, including the one president bush, his dad, and john kerry are in. The guidelines for the so called "abusive" interrogation practices are almost entirely based on fraternity pledge processes. anyone who's been to college can attest to that.
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Was his last name really Sir? Or did he just make you say that? Curious.
Last name: Baker.
He did not make anyone say sir...it was just accepted that that was what you called him. even the admins and other staff called him that. For about six months, i actually thought his name was "Jimster"......as did all the new kids until they pronounced the "T" too clearly and were laughed at.
to be called a fat when you're morbidly obese
Is to be complimented on how (relatively) skinny you are.
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this kinda reminds me of the movie full metal jacket. you're friend's lardass baby is like gomer pyle (the guy who shot himself on the toilet), and Jim Sir is like the drill sergeant. Gomer Pyle was just a weakling that did not belong in boot camp in the first place, and would have been a liability on the battlefield anyway; and it was his own fault for not getting with the program and loosing some weight. He just wanted to be coddled by his mamma, and couldnt take some guy screaming in his face with a grain of salt. Jim sir was alot more mellow than that drill sergeant, ALOT more mellow. Survival of the fittest. Natural selection. that's all i got to say.
You are completely fucked up if you want to compare a kid who was placed in a program because of behavioral issues (albiet some driven by his weight) to someone who voluntarily joined the military. I'm sure glad HLA told us about this mentality before we entrusted our kids to them.
Sorry, but you're a little too defensive there pal about your buddy Jim Sir.
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One more thought... if Jim Sir was such a great person, why didn't he offer to help this particular kid out with a workout routine or encourage him to eat healthier? Because it was easier for Jim Sir to ridicule and make fun of someone than to actually step up and be a man to the challenge of really helping this kid.
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because it wasnt jim's job to do that, it was his counselors. Jim was like a logistics/staff coordinator. he decided what staff goes with what students to which activity. he held the keys to all the rooms. he arranged some of the off campus trips. thats it. that was the extent of his job. in no way shape or form was jim sir a part of the "therapeutic" element of the program.
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this kinda reminds me of the movie full metal jacket. you're friend's lardass baby is like gomer pyle (the guy who shot himself on the toilet), and Jim Sir is like the drill sergeant. Gomer Pyle was just a weakling that did not belong in boot camp in the first place, and would have been a liability on the battlefield anyway; and it was his own fault for not getting with the program and loosing some weight. He just wanted to be coddled by his mamma, and couldnt take some guy screaming in his face with a grain of salt. Jim sir was alot more mellow than that drill sergeant, ALOT more mellow. Survival of the fittest. Natural selection. that's all i got to say.
You are completely fucked up if you want to compare a kid who was placed in a program because of behavioral issues (albiet some driven by his weight) to someone who voluntarily joined the military. I'm sure glad HLA told us about this mentality before we entrusted our kids to them.
Sorry, but you're a little too defensive there pal about your buddy Jim Sir.
Not voluntarily, watch the movie. he was drafted.
defensive? no. I'm just trying to keep you from dancing on his grave. it's disrespectful.
and according to you, kids need to be coddled, and any and all jokes and sarcastic comments never uttered in their presence to prevent their fragile self-esteem from shattering. Of course, that's the best way to make sure the kid grows up to be strong and healthy, because when they encounter someone who is seriously mean in the real world, that way they wont break down crying and shoot themselves on the toilet like gomer pyle.
what's next, the elimination of sharp edges from all surfaces, the introduction of seat belts for golf karts, and the replacement of lead ammunition worldwide with nurf?
thank you for reminding us all about your strong survival instinct. I'm sure when the shit hits the fan you'll be the first to go.
Even though Jim was a senior citizen with cancer, he was strong as an ox. I wonder if you'll be as strong as him when you're 70 with cancer, considering how you value inner strength....
this is a thread on jim sir's death. not on why HLA is fucked up. everyone knows how and why HLA is is fucked up. Jim sir had no part in the fucked up part of HLA. I'm sure HLA fucked up by not telling you alot of things....like, oh, say, warn you about the truly abusive wannabe drill sergeant (rob hyde), or the sadistic psycho-downie klee hall. maybe you should focus on them, instead of pointing your finger at anyone who had anything to do with HLA. Hidden lake was full of good people, it was just the few rotten apples that ruined it for everyone.
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So, this "lardass" you refer to: did the methods work? Was he inspired by this Jim guy to lose weight?
What was his condition when he left?
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So, this "lardass" you refer to: did the methods work? Was he inspired by this Jim guy to lose weight?
What was his condition when he left?
If it's who i'm thinking of (Brian L**B), he did loose a little weight, but not because of jim. it's because he no longer had access to endless quantities of food on demand, and was forced to actually walk around once in a while. Brian was actually allowed a pass on all strenuous aerobic activity at the school, due to his parent's wussification. when everyone else did PT, brian was allowed to stroll around in circles. so please, dont complain about him getting made fun of by jim, he had it easy in comparison to other people.
As mentioned before, jim had no part in the therapeutic or academic aspects of the program. He did not inspire anyone to do anything.
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Oh, and i forgot. Brian was only 50 pounds heavier than me when we both entered HLA. He lost some weight, but i lost more, because he was still around a hundred pounds heavier than me upon graduation. Jim sir picked on me too, for being a lardass. I never took it personally, and he never inspired me to break down crying or to loose weight. I lost weight because i felt i needed to, for personal reasons. for SELF-ESTEEM. for getting chicks. Mr. complaining lardass obviously did not put that high a value on his own self esteem.... :roflmao: , which is why he cried like a baby to his mommy when a 70 year old man with cancer called him fat.
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As mentioned before, jim had no part in the therapeutic or academic aspects of the program. He did not inspire anyone to do anything.
I rest my case.
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As mentioned before, jim had no part in the therapeutic or academic aspects of the program. He did not inspire anyone to do anything.
Hmm. I thought Hidden Lake Academy touted its therapeutic milieu as part of the whole "healing process."
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As mentioned before, jim had no part in the therapeutic or academic aspects of the program. He did not inspire anyone to do anything.
I rest my case.
then why are you complaining?
saying jim was mean, therefore the school is abusive, is like saying a the janitor is smelly, and therefore the school is dirty. although there is some limited correlation, it's not a determining factor.
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As mentioned before, jim had no part in the therapeutic or academic aspects of the program. He did not inspire anyone to do anything.
Hmm. I thought Hidden Lake Academy touted its therapeutic milieu as part of the whole "healing process."
Jim was no more a part of the "healing" process than cafeteria or maintenance crew. Unless of course you're a fatass with thin skin. In that case, the cafeteria crew is probably the most influential group of staff on campus, not Jim.
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As mentioned before, jim had no part in the therapeutic or academic aspects of the program. He did not inspire anyone to do anything.
I rest my case.
then why are you complaining?
saying jim was mean, therefore the school is abusive, is like saying a the janitor is smelly, and therefore the school is dirty. although there is some limited correlation, it's not a determining factor.
Who's complaining? The facts speak for themselves. You're trying to make the guy sound like a saint, while others have a different take on our experiences with him.
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Jim Sir made fun of everyone
Jim Sir would talk about dorm C (females) GRAZING (like cows) lower left on a weekly basis
he would make fun of the music kids; telling the whole student body about how damn annoying they are, and how there a bunch of geeks who like to pleasure themselves with strings tied to boxes.
He would make fun of the weight-lifting lovers, and call them juicers and meatheads. or the soccer team, for being wannabe europeans. He would send off the wrestling team sometimes with a "good luck with the humping". he would even make fun of the AA kids, telling them to enjoy their bi-weekly coffee binge. It's a long laundry list of things,
There were abusive staff at HLA and Jim Sir was definitely not one of them.
Not meaning to "dance" on anyone's "grave" and my condolences at your loss but you do have a strange way of defining "gentleman". I see you are eager to emulate his style and if he is not considered abusive I would sure hate to meet the staff that was.
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I never had any personal problems with Jim, but I wouldnt throw on my mourning clothes just yet. Jim from my perspective seemed to care about a lot of the kids, but he could also be very cruel to those he didnt like.
He once beat a kid up for making a smart comment to him. For clarification he was called Jimsir, not out of respect, but because there was an AC at one point named Jim, it became too confusing so the "sir" was added to differentiate.
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Jimsir was a fuckin' dildo. Yeah he had his moments, but they were usually at someone's expense. Brainwashed bitch boy's like the guy repeatedly defending him can't accept that he had two sides and since they rarely if ever were on the recieving end of jimsir's tongue lashings they have no room what-so-ever to judge the people who were. Yeah Jimsir was funny once in a while but for the most part it was the kind of funny that happens when someone says "Lets bounce like a baby off concrete." Its funny when you hear it, but makes you sick when you think about it, unless your a sociopathic fuck like the guy defending Jimsir, in which case I wish you would bounce off concrete when someone curb stomps your faggot ass.
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Also, why don't you cry me a river over that dried up wrinkly old fuck? With all the napalm he soaked up in nam, he's probably burning pretty nicely in hell and could use that river of tears to put him out. But then again, when I go there, I'm just gonna pour gasoline on him and light him up again, so why bother? :twofinger: :flame: :twofinger:
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Jimsir was a great man. He made fun of people, he was sarcastic. He helped so many, SO MANY people. He pushed peoples' issues, but to the point that they would change. To the woman whose son was taunted for his weight issues, shut up. I'd expect this post to be a memorial to his great works, not a bunch of pissed off moms with fat misbehaving children. Maybe HLA wasn't a place for your kid. Try fat camp. Jimsir was a wonderful man, and one of only three people I honestly trusted to tell anything. If there's a heaven, he'll be there.
I knew a kid who was quite obese and came to HLA around mid-spring and he was pushed by jimsir. He threw tantrums, screamed, cried, threw things at people and curled up in balls and cried himself to sleep. Jimsir just told him he didn't need three desserts to kick-start this episode. He's blunt. Sorry.
On the other hand, during my stay at HLA I saw people hwo lost tremendous amonunts of weight and thanked jimsir for it in the end.
I'm glad he's resting in peace and not watching people slam him on his grave.
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R.I.P. Jim Sir. You were a rose amongst the thorns there. So what if he made jokes at others' expense, if you can't find humor in the bullshit, then you'll be governed by anxiety and will never lighten up. and i remember BL, never sat next to him after tried constantly to grab food off my plate...douche. and if you're one of the many pussies out there dancing on his grave, go back to letting your mom groom your pubes. he called me a band fag who couldn't even be a groupie, and music has been a lifetime commitment for me, it just tempered me to be the brunt of a joke and not take it personally...
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I hope it was prostate cancer.
And i hope you die of a combination of osteoporosis, breast cancer, and sex against your will. you piece of trash :fuckoff: