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Open Free for All / Danny loves Satan
« on: October 13, 2010, 08:06:59 PM »
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I feel that a part of me has died. And it has. Max/SUCKIT helped me recruit many new powerless minions. He has retreated back into a deep crevice of my mind. It is possible that he could crawl out again but what ever happens I will remain powerless to stop it.
Yours in Eternal Powerlessness
Danny
Quote from: "Eliscu2"LOL....Whooty ::OMG::
Yes g-d forbid mommy and daddy make a budget and downsize themselves...oh and define "family values" this sounds like spin!
I think it goes beyond just downsizing or getting on a tighter budget. Society is now designed around two incomes. The average worker could not afford to support a wife and three kids.
In 1960 a school teacher made about $5,000 a year and you could buy a new 3 bedroom home for $8,000 to $10,000. Now School teachers make $50,000 a year but housing is 4 to 6 times the salary ($200,000 to $300,000) and thats a small home. Then you compare cost of transportation, education food etc. It just isnt easily doable to support a family unless you are a director of a company or higher.
The average school teacher could not support a family of 3 kids in a three bedroom home as it is today. Once the women started working the prices went up to support demand. If both husband and wife worked in the 1960's they were looked down upon but they had lots of money to throw around because society was structured around only one income.
If we could get back to that and have one parent stay home it would go a long way in helping out our kids. But I dont see it happening.
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LOL....Whooty ::OMG::Quote from: "none-ya"Pardon me, I would hate to be the voice of reason here, but I think the only thing we can agree upon is that it's just not safe to be a kid anywhere. Hell ,they make you get a license to drive a car or even own a dog.Programs? Schools? Hospitals? We need better parents.There was a time when "family values" was more than just a political or religious catchphrase.
We would have to determine the root cause. I am not sure better parents would be the answer in all of the cases. Better education would help to reduce the number of placements. But what about the rest? Maybe go back to the days where one person stayed home, but how can society do that? The cost of living is based on two incomes now.
We would have to change what is presented on TV, taught in our schools, the availability of drugs.
A lot has changed since the days of old family values. I think there would always be a need for a few placements and these schools would still exist.
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From the Washington Post: http://http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/17/AR2010091705376.html
I am glad that President Obama is being asked to look at it. I find ECT alone to be repugnant and have seen its harmful effects. Operant Conditioning goes way beyond that! There was a really good episode of Law and Order about Operant Conditioning and its effects.
Quote from: "DannyB II"Public Schools are far and above programs for abuse. The potential for abuse from peers, older kids, teachers, bus drivers, ect is there.
For everyone who believes kids can not be censored in public schools are wrong, especially with parents that have lost trust with their kids.
Parents are much more involved with kids in programs today then when most of us here went 20-30 years ago.
So because you believe the potential for abuse is higher, not actual incidents, that in your mind means programs are safer?
You are of course ignorning the fact that no matter how much more parents are involved with kids in programs then they were in the past (they're not, youre wrong again) it doesnt change the fact that communication is always restricted whenever the programs deem it approrpriate. In public schools even if a situation arose where a school would not allow a child to use a phone for an entire school day, or go home early (impossible situation that is not going to happen) at the end of the day a child is free to go home and report to their parents any incidents that occur. Programs prefer zero oversight, and zero accountability. For that reason alone public schools are safer. They have oversight and accountability to the hilt.