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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 08, 2003, 07:22:00 PM
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DOES ANYONE REMEMBER STAFF MEMBER "NICK? HE WAS DARK, KINDA SHORT, SEED TYRONE ST PETE, HE RAN MOST OF THE RAPS IN '73&'74. HE WAS A BIG PART THERE, DOES ANYONE HAVE INFO ON HIM?
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I was there dude but I can't remember all of their names. You sure you don't mean Steve Underwood?
Anyway, who are you? Either post it here or email me privately at [email protected]
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I Mean John Underwood.
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was Nick the staff member from 73 on sr84
with the premature salt and pepper hair and the glacoma looking eyes. he was in his late twenties but looked years older. he was a major junkie from new york, what happened to him., also i remember a staff member from 71 to 72 with reddish hair about 24 years old
, she also had a very young daugter about 2 year old i think her name was Maurene. I had a major crush on her when i was 16 or 17
I also remember Billy the midget, what a big ego he had.
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Nick and John both claimed to be ex junkies. Nick had a heavy new york accent and was the one who inferred that some of these techniques came from another place in new york.
Yep, I remember him...
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I'm glad he did :smokin:
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what do you mean by "nick Rebuked Me"?
Sorry, but I just cannot figure out what you mean by that...
thanks for the clarification...
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I was a punk kid and he just told me reality. I got deaf, dumb, blind, sweated like a pig and then almost fell over and passed out, but when he was finished, I sat down and felt cleansed of some demons.You remember that don't you Greg? :nworthy:
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er, no. At least not like that. But I must admit you have piqued my curiosity. Please tell us more!
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On 2004-06-23 20:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was a punk kid and he just told me reality. I got deaf, dumb, blind, sweated like a pig and then almost fell over and passed out, but when he was finished, I sat down and felt cleansed of some demons.You remember that don't you Greg? :nworthy: "
You know I gotta apologize for being thick headed, but I just don't understand what you mean here. Am I supposed to remember you being "come down on" specifically or just remember getting my own ass chewed and humiliated? If I knew who you were maybe I would remember better.
Help me here..what am I supposed to know and why are you so damn cryptic? Email me and tell me who you are and maybe the 30 year old memory will come back...
[email protected]
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Well, it's like this Greg.........I've got one drug dealer nephew in the graveyard. I have another nephew who is HIV positive and in Prison and I've got a mentally ill neice that is about to get locked up for a long time in a mental hospital without a clue whatsoever. All because of drugs. :smokin:
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Well that is really tragic for your family and you have my sympathy. My famiy has also been besett by tradegy over the years and some of it was due to substance abuse by various members.
As we speak my mother is dying due to an addictioncompulsion to cigarrettes. My neice has done time largely due to a problem with Crack. And apparently you know about my siblings/step siblings, at least you infer you know who I am.
So whoever you are...nice to hear from you again and welcome to the SDF.
BTW, are you aware of the extreme numbers of kids that went thru the Seed and various other thought reform programs that return to drug use, oftentimes at much higher rates and with additional problems? Did it happen to you?
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Of course it happened but I was shunned by other Seedlings for some kind of music hobby. I studied at school and college later on. I was able to quit smoking in the Seed. But basically right now my nerves are shot. Tobacco is still legal today. Nicotine is not addictive. When I dedcide to quit I will. There's way too much chaos in my family right now and with my bad smoking habit to avoid it. I don't do illicit substance abuse. :eek:
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Well you say "of course it happened" and you were "shunned" by the Seedlings.
Yet looking back some 30 years you seem to approve of being yelled and screamed at by Nick.
Listen, I agree with you that using street drugs is way less than wise. We are on the same page.
What I don't understand is how you have processed your experience at the Seed. Good? Bad? Horrible? Wonderfull? Cult or innocent Rehab?
Do me a little favor...think a bit about it and post your thoughts here. I am so interested in what you and others think now.
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And my friend, whether Nicotene is addictive or not is debatable...but far worse is that cigarrettes smokers are somehow compulsively drawn to repetetively smoke them at very dangerous levels. What is interesting to me is most pipe smokers and cigar smokers do not have this compulsion. Something about the way cigarrettes deliver the substances to your bloodstream speaks to compulsives, similar in a way I believe that the needle becomes more addictive to addicts than heroin and the crackpipe causes compulsive behavior in cocaine users.
Cigarrettes are far more dangerous than marijuana in my opinion, and I don't smoke either. If you could see right now what cigarrettes have done to my mother and then see how she cannot stop even as facing certain death, you would understand better.
Illicit is a label society has placed on certain drugs. Some of the most dangerous drugs are legal while some of the most benign are "illicit".
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Nick passed away a number of years ago. I think he owned a car dealership up north.
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There's actually a significant chemical difference between cigarette tobacco and cigar/pipe tobacco. Tobacco for cigarettes is treated w/ amonia. This frees up a lot of the niccotine for fast absorption in exactly the same way as in freebased cocaine. So the impact is quicker, more intense and has a shorter half life.
If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
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On 2004-06-24 12:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Nick passed away a number of years ago. I think he owned a car dealership up north. "
Really? How do you know this? Were you in touch? What happened to him? Was he still involved with the Seed when he died? Did Art help finance him in business like he apparently has done to other insiders?
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It was a hard place to be, but I did learn how to be somewhat made aware about some knowledge that a 14 year old punk doesn't get a chance to learn.I'm sorry Nick passed away. Him and John, and Dennis were helpful in disciplining me. It was a thing that sticks with me forever. The good, the bad. The street smarts. The tools given to me made my recovery from alcoholism in later years. I did not go to group. I just used my memory and got away from being a drunk. There are certain proteins in nicotine and they are theraputic to time them. Finding the right cigarette to smoke is what I did. I also smoke a pipe occasionally. Roll my own cigarettes sometimes. Brown and Williamson has theraputic uses. Too many chemicals in all this other stuff. But, it's a vice, which can be a bad habit. I just like to step outside and sit and smoke when I get the chance. It's theraputic to me. As far as my lungs well, I take vitamin C, and other antioxedents, that are potent enough. Like grape seed extract and milk thistle extract. Plus fruits and grain and a liquid source of protein. I have to do this because of a medical condition.I don't like meat. It's very personal and private, but people are always trying to shove meat down my throat. They know I can't, but they want me to get sick and die. I believe its a family affair here over my wealth. I keep to myself and take care of myself, and they even offer me candy because they don't have any teeth and I got mine.v So it's not just about drug abuse that I learned in the Seed. Often Dennis would encourage us to read the bible. On our own.
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Yes I remember Nick. His last name was papptinatus (sp?). He hung around a former staffer who called himself Gamby. Gamby???
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I think it was Camby?