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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Thayer Learning Center => Topic started by: believethekids on January 01, 2008, 05:09:53 PM
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The silence here is deafening.[/color] :cry:
Please do not give up. :exclaim:
If Thayer survivors and survivors' supporters give up and shut up, what chance is there that the GAO's "preliminary investigation" will move forward? If everyone gives up and shuts up, what would be the odds of Thayer getting shut down? [/color]
Has anybody talked with any KC Star reporters lately, like Steve Rock :idea: who has written several articles bringing concerns about Thayer to pubic attention?
For example:[/color]
http://http://www.isaccorp.org/thayer/thayer-learning-center.11.08.07.html[/color]
Sincerely, from believe the kids, a supporter of Thayer survivors and human rights for all ::rose::
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I recently left TLC bootcamp. The place changed my life and so did the people there. What you hear isn't true. The people there are nothing but good. All they want to do is help. I think its crap that people like you are trying to close down a school and program that when done right, saves lives. Shame on you!
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I recently left TLC bootcamp. The place changed my life and so did the people there. What you hear isn't true. The people there are nothing but good. All they want to do is help. I think its crap that people like you are trying to close down a school and program that when done right, saves lives. Shame on you!
If the place (http://http://www.fornits.com/wiki/index.php/Thayer_Learning_Center) is so good, why is the teenagers running all the time?
If the place is so good, why did Mr. Reyes not return home walking instead of lying inside a bag?
Just wondering
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Mr. Reyes died from a spider bite, not from abuse. The people at thayer want nothing but the best for all cadets there, thats why its open, for troubled kids to find their way again. I think it would be nice if the people that posted things on here had actually been there in person and been through the program the right way and that they are still on the right track and not screwed up again, because there are alot of us who have made it.
you can email me if you'd like or see me in person
I MADE IT AND TLC HELPED ME!
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and the kids that run away are the immature ones that haven't done their part to move up in the program, the kids that dont do it right and that arent ready to change, the kids that run also get caught and some end up doing well when they come back, i have seen a kid in the jr.staff part of the program run, get caught, come back, and end up doing well again, they try to run because their not ready, not because of abuse!
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Mr. Reyes died from a spider bite, not from abuse. The people at thayer want nothing but the best for all cadets there, thats why its open, for troubled kids to find their way again. I think it would be nice if the people that posted things on here had actually been there in person and been through the program the right way and that they are still on the right track and not screwed up again, because there are alot of us who have made it.
you can email me if you'd like or see me in person
I MADE IT AND TLC HELPED ME!
you've completely side-stepped an important aspect of his death. THEY IGNORED HIS SYMPTOMS. they let him die. he would be alive if they had sent him for medical attention. medical neglect. plain and simple. no justification.
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Dear former cadet
What happened to the other boys that recently escaped? Are they still at thayer?
How has Thayer changed? You seem to know, Are the same drill sargeants nicer or are there different drill sargeants?
Why do you think it changed?
Do you think that Willa is afraid of the GAO and the FBI? Do you think it will change back if she stops worrying?
wondering
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yes the cadets that recently escaped still are at thayer. Thayer has changed in that it is nicer to the cadets and so are the drill sergeants. They have always been motivating but now are more motivating than ever. I don't think she is worried about the GAO and the FBI. She is a good person and honest. And the secret to life without regret is integrity. And she has alot of it. As for completely ignoring Mr. Reye's symptoms, I dont believe it. Every night at TLC we filled out a sick report with complaints and the next day an EMT always came around and talked to you about your complaints and took you to the doctor if necessary.
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Hey, wasn't the GAO investigating Thayer? Seems I read that somewhere.
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Dear former cadet
I want to believe what you are saying is true but there are just too may former "cadets" who have reported that they were sick, told Miss Dorothy about it and were told to stop their pity party and were never sent to a doctor. Some of them including kids you knew had broken arms that were not treated for many days after their arms were broken. Reyes was never sent to the doctor or seen by a nurse even as he lay getting sicker and sicker over a period of more then a week.
Didn't the kids who escaped beg to be taken to prison rather then back to Thayer?
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Mr. Reyes died from a spider bite, not from abuse. The people at thayer want nothing but the best for all cadets there, thats why its open, for troubled kids to find their way again. I think it would be nice if the people that posted things on here had actually been there in person and been through the program the right way and that they are still on the right track and not screwed up again, because there are alot of us who have made it.
you can email me if you'd like or see me in person
I MADE IT AND TLC HELPED ME!
Mr. Reyes? We're talking about a child here. >:(
Roberto died from abuse, neglect, and denial medical attention. A spider bite kills you if it goes untreated after days and weeks of neglect. Reyes was abused. TLC WAS responsible. After complaining of illness, Reyes was forced to the ground and held there on several occasions, according to the Missouri Department of Social Services Investigative report. On one occasion, he had a 20-pound sandbag tied around his neck when he was too sick to exercise. There are also reports of him being incontinent and being punished for that as well.
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i would like to email you (or speak to you)...please let me know.
yes the cadets that recently escaped still are at thayer. Thayer has changed in that it is nicer to the cadets and so are the drill sergeants. They have always been motivating but now are more motivating than ever. I don't think she is worried about the GAO and the FBI. She is a good person and honest. And the secret to life without regret is integrity. And she has alot of it. As for completely ignoring Mr. Reye's symptoms, I dont believe it. Every night at TLC we filled out a sick report with complaints and the next day an EMT always came around and talked to you about your complaints and took you to the doctor if necessary.
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Please look at this YouTube site.. and it won't let me comment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrTU8ZJ_Hk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrTU8ZJ_Hk)
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yes the cadets that recently escaped still are at thayer. Thayer has changed in that it is nicer to the cadets and so are the drill sergeants. They have always been motivating but now are more motivating than ever. I don't think she is worried about the GAO and the FBI. She is a good person and honest. And the secret to life without regret is integrity. And she has alot of it. As for completely ignoring Mr. Reye's symptoms, I dont believe it. Every night at TLC we filled out a sick report with complaints and the next day an EMT always came around and talked to you about your complaints and took you to the doctor if necessary.
You mention that I can send an email to you. How do I do that?
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Willa Bundy has no integrity. She covered her a## by altering those notes on Roberto Reyes. She didn't know that a low temperature could kill you and neither did Dorothy. That's probably why she's no longer their medical person?? Why she's still employed is beyond me. Tell me how you run a prison without license and monitoring? I want to see documented proof and follow up of cadets that have graduated from there. If its so great there should be . I think they hated it so much and were humiliated so bad they just want to repress and forget about it.
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watch Bootcamp on Youtube all eleven parts, all you parents considering sending your kids to them. Makes you sick.
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sorry for the intrushion but i had to say something. a spider bite can be deadly but a lot are not. HOWEVER as any one trained in a medical field you are tough to MONITOR it if you dont have the spider. you never know.
not knowing the circumstances behind the death i cant really say much from a medical stand point (can someone get me the medical files on it and i will take a look) but ANY ONE trained in medical knows with out a doubt that high temp AS WELL AS LOW TEMP will kill. there is no excuse for not knowing unless you only medical knowledge comes from a standard first aid class which you did not take the refresher on.(also the basic first aid covers spider bites and what to look for so again no excuse)
it is medical malpractice from what i can tell. unless they did not have ANY medical training. and than it is negligence to obtain medical help.
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Click here for more information on: the death of Roberto Reyes (http://http://isaccorp.org/thayerlearningcenter.asp#robertoreyes)
Also here: http://www.closethayerlearningcenter.com/ (http://www.closethayerlearningcenter.com/)
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just from the autopsy report i am mortified. ulcerating wounds on his body?? and they didnt get help WTF. he also had pulmonary edema?? come on that does not set in over night people. as well as recent hemorrhaging to subcutis and dermis of the right arm.
well we know he was smoking pot prior to death.
medication that i can see (i am not a doctor folks so i am going on what i know) ibuprofen.
with all the wounds i would consider talking to the staff to see where they came from. (here again it is not up to the coroner to decide to do this it is up to LEO's to do that) just too dam many for my liking as EMS. especally if they are ulcerating.
the report does not conclusively say that it was the spider bite. which means that it could have caused the death not that it was the cause of death. looking at the report if it was a spider bite than good dying from pulmonary edema is a LOT worse. i hate to say it but he died painfully but not as painfully as he could have.
jesus this makes me sick.
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Yeah. The whole "spider bite" thing is bullshit. It may have been the final straw, but it sure wasn't all of what killed him. What's so messed up about so many of these deaths is not just that they happened, but how exactly they happened.
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also of note the brusing that the autopsy has noted is oval in shape. not for sure if you know but a fist can make that impression as well. the broken clavicle come on that takes some force. and his mom would have noticed the EXTREMA pain he would have been in.
shift report "so i gave him 1 arm pushups for the other arm." NO thats not going to cause increased presser in blood flow that could make the puss uziing sore more likely to uzi more. im sorry if you dont allow swearing on the site but oh my fucking god. these people are fucking genesis
Blake Henriksen reported he and Dortothy Steele were "closely monitoring him"
if this is true that why on November 1, 2004 did he have to CRAWL SEVERAL FEET to get water???
november 3, 2004 temp of 94.1 at 0955 and at 1300 it was 94?? jesus christ red flags up the ass. i mean oh my god i would be kicked out of EMS if i did not transport for this. 94 i cant fucking believe this shit.
this is medical neglect if i have ever saw it.
he didnt die from a spider bite he did from stupidity of staff, lack of trained staff and a medical incompetent nurse.
again this is my opinion but dam medical conditions dont take a freaking rocket scientist to figure "oh his temp is 94 something must be wrong."
now this is what gets me from the coroners report. 30 abrasions contusions and ulcerating wounds all over his body. any and i mean ANY ems or EMT will tell you that 5 is grounds to call CPS on possible child abuse but 30.
this was not child abuse this was fucking human torture. plane and simple.
i have to stop now or i think i will die. will write more latter.
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im sorry if you dont allow swearing on the site but oh my fucking god. these people are fucking genesis
This site (unless explicitly labeled moderated forums) is completely unmoderated. You are free to say whatever you like. Sometimes it can get harsh, but it's the price to pay for the completely open free commerce of ideas. Nobody is in a position to say what is ok to say and what isn't.
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i have to stop now or i think i will die. will write more latter.
Yeah. There are certain programs that are just pure 100% evil. Thayer is one of them.
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Mr. Reyes died from a spider bite, not from abuse. The people at thayer want nothing but the best for all cadets there, thats why its open, for troubled kids to find their way again. I think it would be nice if the people that posted things on here had actually been there in person and been through the program the right way and that they are still on the right track and not screwed up again, because there are alot of us who have made it.
you can email me if you'd like or see me in person
I MADE IT AND TLC HELPED ME!
from a medical stand point there is no conclusive evidence to support your clam that a spider bite caused the death. the autopsy report says it may have but with all the other wounds that were found on him as well as the internal injury's it is likely that it was a list of things that caused his death. IMO. i have not read all the reports yet but from what i have read it is much more than a spider bite. if you are so sure that it was a spider bite my question to you is this. what medical classes have you taken? how do you know on your own account that it was a spider bite or are you just going on what people are saying and not what the reports say?
if they care so much than why did he have 30 fucking wounds on his body? some ulcerating? and all they gave him was an ointment, band aid, and ibuprofen? this should have had a broad spectrum antibiotic. as well as a doctor visit. this kid was not faking it and the staff knew it. (see shift reports) dont listen to what the program tells you grow up and learn to read reports.
granted i may not have been in your program but i do know some medical stuff and from what i can see buddy your are plane ass wrong. this is not a caring program.
this is my fav "thats why its open, for troubled kids to find their way again." where to the freaking morgue?
i have a saying "how many must die for the troubled teens to survive?" the answer not one person. if these programs were so good no one and i mean NO ONE would die.
put your self in the parents shoes how would you feel if your child died due to neglect. wait never mind please dont procreate we dont need more people like you to dumb us down.
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also (again dont know much but can some one tell me how long he was in the program?)
his THC level in nanograms per milliliter was 15. this means he had a little pot in his system. so if he was in a program where did he get the pot? granted if he was in the program only for a few days (perhaps a week) that could explane it.
the level was 15 ng/ml found on page 8 of 9 on the autopsy report under the toxicology report.
also the cause of death was from complications from rhabdomyolysis. the following is what this is.
<pathology> The destruction of skeletal muscle cells. Often the result of electrical injury, alcoholism, injury (or laying in one position for an extended period of time), drug side effects or toxins.
so it could have been a number of things. since he was not able to move much that could have been a factor. but again there is no way to pinpoint what caused the death.
sorry for the medical rambling but when i can get reports about medical stuff about students i take a look and see what is there since some may not be able to understand what it says. it is sad that in this case it is an autopsy report but at least we can learn something from it about how negligent this program is. for any student who dies in a program i take extra care to go over the records personally. i experienced a death while at TB and know that what the program says and what happened are 2 different things so i would like to give the student a voice of their own one last chance to scream the horrors that happened to them.