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Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2005, 06:04:00 PM
i used to be @ tlc and i want to get in contact with any ex employees
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on September 24, 2005, 12:04:00 AM
wut i want to no is if any1 talks 2 sgt sperry, pikula, sgt vaun, sgt heckinkemp, sgt avery or any1 else that worked @tlc.  they were my favs.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on November 07, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
when we all graduated in nov 04', we were allowed to get numbers of graduating cadets and staff.  sgt pikulas # is 4356329021. i hope that helps
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
I was a Drill Sergeant at TLC at the end of 2003.  I was there with burns, prindal, sperry, aitchison, and bunch of other people that were fired.
Title: ex employees
Post by: StaffSergeant on January 18, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
I was a Drill Sergeant at TLC at the end of 2003.  I was there with burns, prindal, sperry, aitchison, and bunch of other people that were fired.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:34:00 PM
Staff Sergeant,
What is your e-mail address?  I used to Work there too.  It would be interesting to chat.  I agree with you in many ways.
Title: ex employees
Post by: StaffSergeant on January 18, 2006, 05:18:00 PM
[email protected]
Title: ex employees
Post by: Antigen on January 18, 2006, 08:51:00 PM
SF, did you go throught Thayer or some similar program as a cadet?

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

Title: ex employees
Post by: StaffSergeant on January 19, 2006, 11:04:00 AM
No I didn't.[ This Message was edited by: StaffSergeant on 2006-01-19 08:53 ]
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2006, 10:09:00 PM
i am also an ex employee I was there over a year and actually quit.  I liked working with the kids at Thayer but didn't agree with the Bundys.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2006, 11:39:00 AM
what position did you have at tlc?
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 11:08:00 AM
I went there.  My intake was on Nov. 21st, 2003.  If anyone wants to talk about the old days when boot camp was hard e-mail me @ [email protected]
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 11:56:00 AM
We have a son at TLC now ... and just saw all the bad publicty about it .. since you guys either went there or worked there can you tell me a little about it?
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 11:59:00 AM
http://www.isaccorp.org/thayerlearningcenter.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/thayerlearningcenter.html)

Thayer Learning Center
Title: ex employees
Post by: Troll Control on February 03, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
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On 2006-02-03 08:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"We have a son at TLC now ... and just saw all the bad publicty about it .. since you guys either went there or worked there can you tell me a little about it? "


Check the links on the post immediately before this one.  They seem to have an affinity for abusing kids and even killing at least one.  If I were you, I'd get my kid out of there IMMEDIATELY.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2006, 02:31:00 AM
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On 2006-02-03 08:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I went there.  My intake was on Nov. 21st, 2003.  If anyone wants to talk about the old days when boot camp was hard e-mail me @ [email protected]

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eidsor,
just some questions....werent you the cadet with all the drama that never really did anything?  werent you the one that got all of us smoked because you would fake injuries?  yeah...bootcamp was hard back then...but only when all the rest of us worked and got smoked almost everyday because of you.  you couldnt handle pt.  you were a pussy.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 08, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Wow.  Interesting that you blame some other kid for you "getting smoked" instead of blaming your parents and Thayer.

One of the perspectives that comes from growing up and being an authority figure and being a parent is that you learn how very much of whatever goes on the various parents and other authority figures are responsible for.

Kids blame themselves when Mom or Dad gets in a bad mood and yells at them.

Kids blame themselves when their parents divorce.  They blame themselves when their parents beat, molest, or rape them.

Kids blame other kids, in group settings, for what parents or other authority figures do to the group, and when the parents or authority figures lay blame for something the parent or authority figure chooses to do (like "smoking" a group) on some particular kid, the other kids never question it.

Kids have a tremendous capacity for self-blame, and blame of the other kids, because it is incredibly psychologically threatening for a child to contemplate that the adults running his life are imperfect.

Intellectually, a child will know parents or other authority figures are fallible---but they'll know it only as a fact to repeat back by rote when asked, "I'm not perfect and I make mistakes, you know that, right?" or, "Nobody's perfect, not even adults, you know that, right?"

Kids will repeat back that they know that nobody's perfect.

In practice, however, kids hugely overestimate the times when something bad is the kid's fault versus how often something bad that happens to the kid is an adult's fault.

The reason is that if the kid (or another kid) is a screwup, the kid can presumably count on the adults in charge to protect them from any real harm----so the kid is safe.  On the other hand, if the grownups running a kid's life are screwups or malicious, the kid's in danger, constantly, of death or disability---his fate hangs on that adult screwup's next bad decision.

When kids get abused, the reason their grownup selves tend to screw up and repeat the cycle and abuse the children *they* are in authority over is because that new adult's perspective of their own childhood is frozen into a child's perspective of the events.

I had a friend who was raped when she was five, along with a five year old friend of hers, by her twelve year old brother and his friends.  In her 40's, she still viewed that as consensual sex---until I shook her out of it by saying, "Jane, with anyone else, not you, would you call someone having sex with a five year old consensual, or rape?  With anyone else, not you, would you say a five year old child could possibly give consent to sex?"  She said no, she started sobbing, she got into counseling, and that was the day she started recovering from that rape.

Even in the most extreme cases of abuse, the abuse victim's perception of the abuse stays frozen in the perspective of the child that he was when it happened----until treatment, when either through competent, mainstream therapy or self-help books, or counseling from a friend, the adult goes back and looks at what happened through adult eyes as if they were looking at some other parent and some other kid---not themselves---and uses adult maturity and understanding to re-evaluate events.

It isn't right, ever, for an adult to punish one kid for something that kid didn't do---especially for something the adult knows full well some other kid did.  Adults who do that are screwups.

The military may sometimes do collective punishment to build unit integrity, but they do it to adults who have knowingly volunteered for that and been screened for being mentally and physically healthy.  They don't do it to kids.

It is no other kid's fault that some adult screwup smoked you.  It never was that other kid's fault.  When some adult told you that was the other kid's fault, the adult was screwing up.  Again.

It's no other kid's fault, nor is it your fault, that your parents screwed up and put you in the care of adult screwups.

Some adults are functional, healthy, responsible people who still make mistakes, but are competent enough as adults to be trusted to care for a child.

There are kids who are screwups.  Some grow out of it, and some don't.  There are people who grow up to be irresponsible adult screwups with lousy judgment.  Some adult screwups have bad judgment, some are sadistic bullies, some are both.

Adult screwups usually still have functional reproductive organs and frequently have children.  Jobs as staff in places like Thayer pay really sucky wages and nobody but adult screwups are going to take those jobs.  Good therapists work in places with better pay and working conditions, and still help some very damaged kids.  People who aren't screwups work at jobs that pay better than that, or have better working conditions.  

The few adults who are competent and have better job options (better wages, better working conditions) who choose to work with difficult kids aren't going to work at a bottom-of-the-barrel shithole like Thayer.

Most of them are locals, right?  These are adult screwups---big fish in a tiny pond---who will tell you they have better options but are just dedicated.  It's a lie.  They don't have options that will pay better and still let them be a big fish in the pond with lots of control and power over a very powerless, captive set of victims.

You didn't get "smoked" because of what some other kid did.  You got smoked because the adult in charge of you was a loser who was either enjoying the power *or* had the very poor judgment to participate in something as stupid as inflicting collective punishment on children.

Accept it---your parents made the gross judgment error of putting you in the care of some colossal losers.  You may have needed help straightening yourself out---but you needed it from people who weren't clueless losers.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
I was a Female Sergeant and one of the first people to quit Thayer and not get fired.  I left in December of 03.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
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On 2006-02-12 11:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was a Female Sergeant and one of the first people to quit Thayer and not get fired.  I left in December of 03.  "


Why did you quit?
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
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On 2006-02-08 05:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Wow.  Interesting that you blame some other kid for you "getting smoked" instead of blaming your parents and Thayer.



One of the perspectives that comes from growing up and being an authority figure and being a parent is that you learn how very much of whatever goes on the various parents and other authority figures are responsible for.



Kids blame themselves when Mom or Dad gets in a bad mood and yells at them.



Kids blame themselves when their parents divorce.  They blame themselves when their parents beat, molest, or rape them.



Kids blame other kids, in group settings, for what parents or other authority figures do to the group, and when the parents or authority figures lay blame for something the parent or authority figure chooses to do (like "smoking" a group) on some particular kid, the other kids never question it.



Kids have a tremendous capacity for self-blame, and blame of the other kids, because it is incredibly psychologically threatening for a child to contemplate that the adults running his life are imperfect.



Intellectually, a child will know parents or other authority figures are fallible---but they'll know it only as a fact to repeat back by rote when asked, "I'm not perfect and I make mistakes, you know that, right?" or, "Nobody's perfect, not even adults, you know that, right?"



Kids will repeat back that they know that nobody's perfect.



In practice, however, kids hugely overestimate the times when something bad is the kid's fault versus how often something bad that happens to the kid is an adult's fault.



The reason is that if the kid (or another kid) is a screwup, the kid can presumably count on the adults in charge to protect them from any real harm----so the kid is safe.  On the other hand, if the grownups running a kid's life are screwups or malicious, the kid's in danger, constantly, of death or disability---his fate hangs on that adult screwup's next bad decision.



When kids get abused, the reason their grownup selves tend to screw up and repeat the cycle and abuse the children *they* are in authority over is because that new adult's perspective of their own childhood is frozen into a child's perspective of the events.



I had a friend who was raped when she was five, along with a five year old friend of hers, by her twelve year old brother and his friends.  In her 40's, she still viewed that as consensual sex---until I shook her out of it by saying, "Jane, with anyone else, not you, would you call someone having sex with a five year old consensual, or rape?  With anyone else, not you, would you say a five year old child could possibly give consent to sex?"  She said no, she started sobbing, she got into counseling, and that was the day she started recovering from that rape.



Even in the most extreme cases of abuse, the abuse victim's perception of the abuse stays frozen in the perspective of the child that he was when it happened----until treatment, when either through competent, mainstream therapy or self-help books, or counseling from a friend, the adult goes back and looks at what happened through adult eyes as if they were looking at some other parent and some other kid---not themselves---and uses adult maturity and understanding to re-evaluate events.



It isn't right, ever, for an adult to punish one kid for something that kid didn't do---especially for something the adult knows full well some other kid did.  Adults who do that are screwups.



The military may sometimes do collective punishment to build unit integrity, but they do it to adults who have knowingly volunteered for that and been screened for being mentally and physically healthy.  They don't do it to kids.



It is no other kid's fault that some adult screwup smoked you.  It never was that other kid's fault.  When some adult told you that was the other kid's fault, the adult was screwing up.  Again.



It's no other kid's fault, nor is it your fault, that your parents screwed up and put you in the care of adult screwups.



Some adults are functional, healthy, responsible people who still make mistakes, but are competent enough as adults to be trusted to care for a child.



There are kids who are screwups.  Some grow out of it, and some don't.  There are people who grow up to be irresponsible adult screwups with lousy judgment.  Some adult screwups have bad judgment, some are sadistic bullies, some are both.



Adult screwups usually still have functional reproductive organs and frequently have children.  Jobs as staff in places like Thayer pay really sucky wages and nobody but adult screwups are going to take those jobs.  Good therapists work in places with better pay and working conditions, and still help some very damaged kids.  People who aren't screwups work at jobs that pay better than that, or have better working conditions.  



The few adults who are competent and have better job options (better wages, better working conditions) who choose to work with difficult kids aren't going to work at a bottom-of-the-barrel shithole like Thayer.



Most of them are locals, right?  These are adult screwups---big fish in a tiny pond---who will tell you they have better options but are just dedicated.  It's a lie.  They don't have options that will pay better and still let them be a big fish in the pond with lots of control and power over a very powerless, captive set of victims.



You didn't get "smoked" because of what some other kid did.  You got smoked because the adult in charge of you was a loser who was either enjoying the power *or* had the very poor judgment to participate in something as stupid as inflicting collective punishment on children.



Accept it---your parents made the gross judgment error of putting you in the care of some colossal losers.  You may have needed help straightening yourself out---but you needed it from people who weren't clueless losers.







"


i'm not into all those psychology crap...when eidsor did what she should have, we didnt get smoked and when she didnt, we did.  it was her fault, not my parents, or stupid loser adults...it was cheryl eidsor.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 09:19:00 PM
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On 2006-02-12 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:


i'm not into all those psychology crap...when eidsor did what she should have, we didnt get smoked and when she didnt, we did.  it was her fault, not my parents, or stupid loser adults...it was cheryl eidsor."


Nope, it was your parents fault and Thayer's fault.  Period.  Thayer created that hellish environment and your parents chose to abdicate their responsibilities over to a bunch of power hungry hacks.
Title: ex employees
Post by: tlcrescue on February 13, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was).
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 02:50:00 PM
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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:

"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."


How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that.
Title: ex employees
Post by: AtomicAnt on February 13, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
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i'm not into all those psychology crap...when eidsor did what she should have, we didnt get smoked and when she didnt, we did. it was her fault, not my parents, or stupid loser adults...it was cheryl eidsor.


Simple logical question. Why should you have been smoked for another cadet's misbehavior? You can never be responsible for another's actions. The reason is solely that those in charge said so. That is all. Nothing more to it. The 'group consequences rule' is just a stupid rule and the only people who buy it are stupid people, or those with a sadistic agenda. It does not help any individual grow. It only helps to break an individual's will.

Here's a news flash. 'Smoking' children is flat out child abuse. Period. No exceptions. No excuses. No responsible adult would ever engage in this sort of behavior.
Title: ex employees
Post by: tlcrescue on February 14, 2006, 09:33:00 AM
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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:


"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."




How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that."


Yes, apparently that is Thayer's policy.  However, the cadet still DOES have a choice as I clearly pointed out above.  My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.  When other cadet's get smoked because of the behavior of one cadet, that is a choice, the cadet that incurred the behavior that resulted in the "smoking session" had a choice.  Now, that is not to say I agree with their smoking session policy, I personally think it is ridiculous, but regardless it is still a choice.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 12:06:00 AM
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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:



"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."







How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that."




Yes, apparently that is Thayer's policy.  However, the cadet still DOES have a choice as I clearly pointed out above.  My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.  When other cadet's get smoked because of the behavior of one cadet, that is a choice, the cadet that incurred the behavior that resulted in the "smoking session" had a choice.  Now, that is not to say I agree with their smoking session policy, I personally think it is ridiculous, but regardless it is still a choice."

its true...i was there and thats how it works.  when this girl first got there, she didnt want to do anything and and so she chose to sit around and watch us get smoked.  we were running laps around her and she didnt even care until another girl threatened her in the showers.  then she straightened up.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 07:27:00 AM
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On 2006-02-14 06:33:00, tlcrescue My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.


That's not a choice. At all.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2006, 04:59:00 PM
O.k. I think this is lame with you two arguing about this...How bout this, your both right.  
A cadet is put into a place by thier parents without a choice. (so that makes it the parents fault.) The smoke sessions are orginized by TLC. (so that makes it TLC's fault)The cadet could not control the situation, so thus the parents and TLC are to blame. We see your piont.
On the other hand when the cadet is placed in that situation they then have a limited number of options but then agian there are options still the same. so they make a CHOICE They can do what they are told and deal. Or they disobey and get everyone else smoked until they deside to participate.
So all in all it is everyone's fault.
The parents for sending them their in the first place. TLC's for making up the stupid rules. And then the Cadet's for not following them. No matter how unreasonable they may be.
And by the way I would rather pee on myself then get everyone else smoked and be hated by the intire bootcamp...being hated in that invirnment is not the wisest place to be.
Title: ex employees
Post by: cadet_cheung on June 14, 2006, 06:25:00 AM
we only went to the bathroom like 6 times a day and drink like 4 shitload canteens of water, majority of the girls pee-d on themselves anyways and at the point we'd rather pee on ourselves then get everyone smoked, it was like they were all you got there. Oh yea those brown couches and stupid cushions with owls on them( if you still had them) were pee-d on by god knows how many people.
Title: ex employees
Post by: tlcrescue on June 15, 2006, 10:01:00 AM
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On 2006-02-13 11:45:00, tlcrescue wrote:


"sorry, but sometimes it is other cadets fault that people get smoked.  When my son was there, he had a bladder problem, requiring him to urinate frequently.  But, they don't allow very many bathroom breaks while in cadet status (dont know about higher levels). When he would ask to go, they would tell him he could go, but that when he returned from the bathroom, the rest of the cadets would get a 2 hour smoke session while he stood by and watched.  My son wasn't going to let that happen, so rather than go to the bathroom and allow the other cadets be punished for him going, he chose to urinate on himself, which, of course, led to him getting smoked instead.  Some people may not have chosen that route, they may have chosen to go to the bathroom (or whatever their current circumstance was)."




How do you figure that would be the other cadets' fault?  That's Thayer's policy and the staff enforcing it.  No way in hell that the other cadets have ANY control over that."


yes, it is apparently their policy.  but as i clearly stated, the cadet (my son) had a "choice" he could go to the bathroom allowing the others to be smoked, or he could urinate on himself, resulting in himself being smoked.  That is a CHOICE he made.  So that others would not have been smoked, he chose to urinate on himself.  But, had he chose to go to the bathroom, the others would have been smoked, hence, they other cadets are being smoked because of the choice he made.  Believe me, I am in no way advocating what they did.  I do not agree with this place, and to the contrary pulled my son out after only 1 week when I realized what was going on there.  My only point is that everyone has a choice in situations.  Your choice or "action" has a reaction.

Another example is that one kid got caught stealing food while my son was there.  The result was that the whole group got smoked over it.  Had the boy chosen not to steal the food (and I am sure he was pretty hungry, or he wouldn't have stolen it), the whole group would not have been smoked.  See my point here?  I am not saying it is right, but I am saying that a smoking session can be the result of a cadet's choice they make.
Title: ex employees
Post by: tlcrescue on June 15, 2006, 10:05:00 AM
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i'm not into all those psychology crap...when eidsor did what she should have, we didnt get smoked and when she didnt, we did. it was her fault, not my parents, or stupid loser adults...it was cheryl eidsor.



Simple logical question. Why should you have been smoked for another cadet's misbehavior? You can never be responsible for another's actions. The reason is solely that those in charge said so. That is all. Nothing more to it. The 'group consequences rule' is just a stupid rule and the only people who buy it are stupid people, or those with a sadistic agenda. It does not help any individual grow. It only helps to break an individual's will.



Here's a news flash. 'Smoking' children is flat out child abuse. Period. No exceptions. No excuses. No responsible adult would ever engage in this sort of behavior."


I do agree that it is wrong, it is one of many reasons I chose to pull my son out  But, as I clearly outlined above, one's actions can determine whether the rest of the group gets smoked as a result of their actions/choices.  My son's situation is a prime example.  If he went to the bathroom, the group got smoked, if he urinated on himself, he got smoked alone.  So, what did he do?  He chose to urinate on himself so that the others would not have to endure a smoking because of his physical ailment.  So, it is blatantly obvious that one can make a "choice" when it comes to involving the group as a whole in the smoking session.

Other instances that cause a smoking session for the entire group is a cadet arguing with a DS, or refusing to exercise.  This is how Thayer works.  They try to use peer pressure.  If you don't do what you are supposed to do, they punish the others so that the others get mad at the non-performing cadet and make the non-performing cadet work.  I don't agree with that method, but that is the method they use.  So, if the non-performing does not want the group to get smoked, they are expected to perform.  Again, that is a CHOICE.  The cadet can either (1) not perform and allow the others to be smoked or (2) perform and the others dont get smoked.  Like it or not, that is the policy at Thayer, and the cadets DO have a choice when it comes to that.  Now, it may not be a choice they like, but it is a choice nonetheless.

I AM IN NO WAY ENCOURAGING OR ADVOCATING SMOKING SESSIONS!  I DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM!  I THINK THEY ARE WRONG!  I AM SIMPLY TRYING TO POINT OUT HOW ONE'S ACTOINS CAUSES OTHERS TO BE SMOKED.
Title: ex employees
Post by: tlcrescue on June 15, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
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On 2006-02-14 06:33:00, tlcrescue My son had a CHOICE to either go to the bathroom and allow the other cadet's to be smoked, or to urinate on himself and subject only himself to being smoked.



That's not a choice. At all.



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it may not be a choice that someone agrees with but, yes it is a choice. Per Websters, the definition for choice: The act of choosing; selection.

Selection:
(1) go to bathroom, team gets smoked; or
(2) urinate on myself, I get smoked

THAT is a choice.  Maybe it isn't a choice that you like, but it is a choice.  So based on the selection you make either the individual or the team gets smoked.
Title: ex employees
Post by: tlcrescue on June 15, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
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On 2006-06-13 13:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"O.k. I think this is lame with you two arguing about this...How bout this, your both right.  

A cadet is put into a place by thier parents without a choice. (so that makes it the parents fault.) The smoke sessions are orginized by TLC. (so that makes it TLC's fault)The cadet could not control the situation, so thus the parents and TLC are to blame. We see your piont.

On the other hand when the cadet is placed in that situation they then have a limited number of options but then agian there are options still the same. so they make a CHOICE They can do what they are told and deal. Or they disobey and get everyone else smoked until they deside to participate.

So all in all it is everyone's fault.

The parents for sending them their in the first place. TLC's for making up the stupid rules. And then the Cadet's for not following them. No matter how unreasonable they may be.

And by the way I would rather pee on myself then get everyone else smoked and be hated by the intire bootcamp...being hated in that invirnment is not the wisest place to be."


thank you.  that was my exact point.  my son agreed with you, he chose to urinate on himself so the team wouldnt get smoked.  i admire him for that.
Title: ex employees
Post by: tlcrescue on June 15, 2006, 10:13:00 AM
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On 2006-06-14 03:25:00, cadet_cheung wrote:

"we only went to the bathroom like 6 times a day and drink like 4 shitload canteens of water, majority of the girls pee-d on themselves anyways and at the point we'd rather pee on ourselves then get everyone smoked, it was like they were all you got there. Oh yea those brown couches and stupid cushions with owls on them( if you still had them) were pee-d on by god knows how many people. "


so this was pretty much the norm?  kids having to urinate on themselves?  I thought maybe they used it as a tactic with my son because they were aware that he had a bladder condition.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Oz girl on June 15, 2006, 07:05:00 PM
if the choice is between urinating on yourself (a punishment in itself)& then being punished, or being hated by your peers, How grotesque is that. I am beginning to think that the reason why kids are not believed when their teachers (or whoever those people who call the parents are) say they are lying is because what is done to them is so outlandishly horrible it does not seem believable. To be honest if my kid told me that they made him urinate on himself I would have a hard time believing it.  
Dont kids who are disrespectful (whatever that is exactly) need adults who are firm but fair. Most of these BTS sites talk about consequences for misbehaviour but the consequences are so illogical anyway that if your kid is in for something genuinely awful, i cant see how he would associate the consequence with whatever it is that he or she did. I also can not see how a kid with anger management issues would not be seething with rage if he is forced to do something as base and disgusting as urinating on himself!

The irony to me is that american kids are statistically no more drug addled, pregnant ot "troubled" than their peers in other western countries. They are also more likely to be church going. This makes me wonder if the kids who are even slightly outside of the box are seen by society as more "out of control" than they really are. Moreover having worked with mainstream American kids (and i am aware that they are not the "troubled" category that is spoken of in this industry)I foung that in some ways they are more polite and respectful to grown ups than their Australian counterparts. I can't tell you for instance, how much i had to bite back laughter the first time a kid called me maam! If a kid did that at home it would be laced with sarcasm!
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on June 15, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
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On 2006-06-15 16:05:00, Pls help wrote:

"if the choice is between urinating on yourself (a punishment in itself)& then being punished, or being hated by your peers, How grotesque is that. I am beginning to think that the reason why kids are not believed when their teachers (or whoever those people who call the parents are) say they are lying is because what is done to them is so outlandishly horrible it does not seem believable. To be honest if my kid told me that they made him urinate on himself I would have a hard time believing it.  

Dont kids who are disrespectful (whatever that is exactly) need adults who are firm but fair. Most of these BTS sites talk about consequences for misbehaviour but the consequences are so illogical anyway that if your kid is in for something genuinely awful, i cant see how he would associate the consequence with whatever it is that he or she did. I also can not see how a kid with anger management issues would not be seething with rage if he is forced to do something as base and disgusting as urinating on himself!



The irony to me is that american kids are statistically no more drug addled, pregnant ot "troubled" than their peers in other western countries. They are also more likely to be church going. This makes me wonder if the kids who are even slightly outside of the box are seen by society as more "out of control" than they really are. Moreover having worked with mainstream American kids (and i am aware that they are not the "troubled" category that is spoken of in this industry)I foung that in some ways they are more polite and respectful to grown ups than their Australian counterparts. I can't tell you for instance, how much i had to bite back laughter the first time a kid called me maam! If a kid did that at home it would be laced with sarcasm!"


That is all pretty much true. I spent the past 16 years living in and around New York City and was impressed by how nice most of the kids were. The fact is that, statistically, the current generation of kids do fewer drugs, smoke less, have less sex, and commit fewer crimes than my generation did.

It is the parents that are out of control with their stupid zero-tolerance policies and this drive to have perfect kids. There has been a huge cultural shift during my lifetime and it ain't good.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2006, 05:52:00 AM
That is all pretty much true. I spent the past 16 years living in and around New York City and was impressed by how nice most of the kids were. The fact is that, statistically, the current generation of kids do fewer drugs, smoke less, have less sex, and commit fewer crimes than my generation did.



That is the other irony about an industry obsessed with taking kids away from a "worldly' envoronment. The other thing i remember about working with American Kids was their innocence. Being from a country where blasphemy is a cultural norm, & cynicism a way of life, I once made the error of casually using the word "hell" in front of the 12 year old Texan kids i worked with. (as in hurry up you guys. What the hell do you think this is)You would have thought I said something truly obscene. There was an audible gasp of horror.  :lol:
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on June 18, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
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On 2006-06-16 02:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

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That is all pretty much true. I spent the past 16 years living in and around New York City and was impressed by how nice most of the kids were. The fact is that, statistically, the current generation of kids do fewer drugs, smoke less, have less sex, and commit fewer crimes than my generation did.






That is the other irony about an industry obsessed with taking kids away from a "worldly' envoronment. The other thing i remember about working with American Kids was their innocence. Being from a country where blasphemy is a cultural norm, & cynicism a way of life, I once made the error of casually using the word "hell" in front of the 12 year old Texan kids i worked with. (as in hurry up you guys. What the hell do you think this is)You would have thought I said something truly obscene. There was an audible gasp of horror.  :lol: "


there are well behaved kids and bad kids no matter what generation you lived in.  i dont know about you...but where i live the kids have no respect for their elders or property and think they have a right of passage wherever they go and a sense of entitlement that is wrong.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Oz girl on June 18, 2006, 08:49:00 PM
Of course not every kid anywhere is a saint,and i am aware that i take aglass 1/2 full approach to people, but I am unaware of any other country in the western world which has private schools or camps primarily designed to either modify or punish kids.

The culture that the websites seem to push particularly Thayer is that if your kid is misbehaving they can either "Modify" them or in extreme cases punish them till they become different people. As well as the obvious things like drug abuse often "A sense of entitlement" or "disrespect" are seen as illnesses that need to be cured. Surely this can be done at home. If a parent has genuinely indulges a kid too much why don't they just stop doing it, and make the kid aware of the plight of someone less well off than them. If the kid is consistently rude by all means penalise this but place the emphasis back on encouraging kids to live within a community not in some detention camp where they are bullied until they urinate on themselves or told that they need fixing and until they are better they do not deserve their families love!

Also why does anyone have the right to try and modify somebody elses personality? All people have good and bad qualities so why not place the emphasis on what is good about your kid. If a kid is materialistic then have them get a summer job where they can save for their first car. It will furnish their ambitions and teach them a work ethic.
If your kid is into "wicca" (another thing that seems to be viewed as evil by many of these programmes) then they are probably creative and a questioner. Find out what it is that they believe in, help them to channel that intellect and get to know their wierdly dressed friends. Who knows? you may just find that they are polite, decent kids who read a lot and are searching for a belief system. it may just be that they like the goth look!
But sending kids to a place that forces them to piss on themselves is not about building a better community! It does not teach anyone to respect their"elders" It just teaches kids that adults are sociopathic bullies and they should obey for their own safety till they are big enough to do the bullying.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
i totally agree with you.  camps and behavior mod schools are not really helping anyone besides the owner's pocketbooks.  i especially think that making a kid drink so much watch and not enough potty breaks so that they piss themselevs is just sick and very wrong.  i do agree that parents need to start parenting and take control of their teens and never ever to send them to schools like tlc.
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2006, 12:49:00 AM
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On 2006-06-18 17:49:00, Pls help wrote:

"Of course not every kid anywhere is a saint,and i am aware that i take aglass 1/2 full approach to people, but I am unaware of any other country in the western world which has private schools or camps primarily designed to either modify or punish kids.



The culture that the websites seem to push particularly Thayer is that if your kid is misbehaving they can either "Modify" them or in extreme cases punish them till they become different people. As well as the obvious things like drug abuse often "A sense of entitlement" or "disrespect" are seen as illnesses that need to be cured. Surely this can be done at home. If a parent has genuinely indulges a kid too much why don't they just stop doing it, and make the kid aware of the plight of someone less well off than them. If the kid is consistently rude by all means penalise this but place the emphasis back on encouraging kids to live within a community not in some detention camp where they are bullied until they urinate on themselves or told that they need fixing and until they are better they do not deserve their families love!



Also why does anyone have the right to try and modify somebody elses personality? All people have good and bad qualities so why not place the emphasis on what is good about your kid. If a kid is materialistic then have them get a summer job where they can save for their first car. It will furnish their ambitions and teach them a work ethic.

If your kid is into "wicca" (another thing that seems to be viewed as evil by many of these programmes) then they are probably creative and a questioner. Find out what it is that they believe in, help them to channel that intellect and get to know their wierdly dressed friends. Who knows? you may just find that they are polite, decent kids who read a lot and are searching for a belief system. it may just be that they like the goth look!

But sending kids to a place that forces them to piss on themselves is not about building a better community! It does not teach anyone to respect their"elders" It just teaches kids that adults are sociopathic bullies and they should obey for their own safety till they are big enough to do the bullying. "



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Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2007, 06:54:00 AM
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i used to be @ tlc and i want to get in contact with any ex employees

 
          When did u work there and what did you do? I was there when they first opened
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2007, 07:19:16 AM
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i am also an ex employee I was there over a year and actually quit.  I liked working with the kids at Thayer but didn't agree with the Bundys.  


when did you work there and whats your name?
Title: ex employees
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2007, 07:29:08 AM
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when we all graduated in nov 04', we were allowed to get numbers of graduating cadets and staff.  sgt pikulas # is 4356329021. i hope that helps
 Whats your name?