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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: psy on January 01, 2010, 12:02:28 PM
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Due to the recent flooding of spam, off topic threads, and various sorts of porn, Ginger and I have decided to temporarily (possibly permanantly) ban guest posing. This does not mean and end to anonymity, however. You can still register a second account and are not required to give your real name. This decision did not come lightly but at this point we felt there is really no other choice. Feel free to ask questions about the reasoning behind this decision here or berate myself and ginger. That is your right and that will not change.
A friend of mine wrote in a PM When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
At least for the time being, this is the way it has to be. If you'd like to contact me personally or have problems posting, please email me at [email protected]
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Thank you Psy. This action should help.
And could you explain how to play the roll the dice game it tyhe chat correctly?
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Thank you Psy. This action should help.
And could you explain how to play the roll the dice game it tyhe chat correctly?
It's meant for playing text based RPGs. You type "/roll" and it rolls a single 6 sided dice. If you type "/roll 3d6" it rolls a six sided dice 3 times. If you type "/roll 5d20" it rolls a 20 sided die 5 times. You get the idea.
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Do you mean like D&D?
(showing my age)
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Do you mean like D&D?
(showing my age)
Exactly. People still play that. Many modern games rely on that basic system behind the scenes but many still do it by hand.
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Psy,
Might I suggest we move the blatant troll content to another place within Fornits?
It could be called the Troll Exhibit, and a curator could tend it rather than moderate it.
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Psy,
Might I suggest we move the blatant troll content to another place within Fornits?
It could be called the Troll Exhibit, and a curator could tend it rather than moderate it.
Flooding gets deleted. A user flooding to such an extent as we have just seen (two straight pages of active topics) will be banned. A trash can idea would be nice, but unfortunately it shows up on active topics, making the feature useless. Maybe there is a way to configure such a forum to not show up on active topics. I'll see if that can be done.
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:shamrock:
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Hi to everyone, been busy and haven't really had a lot of time for chit-chat. And I just started liking the anonymous thing when you go and change the rules. Go figure? But seriously, this will be cool.
I think it is a very good move overall, even if it is temporary. But you guys already know my opinions about this subject.
I might get a little more involved on this forum just to see if the guest option being suspended makes for a better fit.
Happy 2010 ....a good year to go to prison (or at least be exposed) if you are running a BM program. :cheers:
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Psy, Since we are now all registered users,with confermed e-mail addresses. Are we admitting to a crime if we tell the world "we just"? Remember just because you're paranoid, that don't mean they're not out to get you.
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Remember just [...] because you're paranoid
The word "just" can convey a variety of meanings.
Just sayin' ! :D
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Due to the recent flooding of spam, off topic threads, and various sorts of porn, Ginger and I have decided to temporarily (possibly permanantly) ban guest posing. This does not mean and end to anonymity, however. You can still register a second account and are not required to give your real name. This decision did not come lightly but at this point we felt there is really no other choice. Feel free to ask questions about the reasoning behind this decision here or berate myself and ginger. That is your right and that will not change.
A friend of mine wrote in a PM When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
I agree with your friend, and it's about time!!! :tup:
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Psy, Since we are now all registered users,with confermed e-mail addresses. Are we admitting to a crime if we tell the world "we just"?
You were before as well, but nobody is going to rat you out. And as the above guest said, "I just" has a variety of meanings. "I just" ate breakfast. "I just" had a Mountain Dew Voltage, which is actually quite good.
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Psy, Since we are now all registered users,with confermed e-mail addresses. Are we admitting to a crime if we tell the world "we just"? Remember just because you're paranoid, that don't mean they're not out to get you.
Hmm, I suppose so, at least theoretically. Which is one reason why I'm bummed the fuck out over this. We tried to hold out and be the last bastion of drive-by anon posting.
But, I guess that age is long gone. I'd suggest anybody who's really concerned about that level of evidence trail set up a disposable email account on something like hotmail or such like and use that for registration here.
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Due to the recent flooding of spam, off topic threads, and various sorts of porn, Ginger and I have decided to temporarily (possibly permanantly) ban guest posing. This does not mean and end to anonymity, however. You can still register a second account and are not required to give your real name. This decision did not come lightly but at this point we felt there is really no other choice. Feel free to ask questions about the reasoning behind this decision here or berate myself and ginger. That is your right and that will not change.
A friend of mine wrote in a PM When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
At least for the time being, this is the way it has to be. If you'd like to contact me personally or have problems posting, please email me at [email protected]
Thank you very much. It's about time, in my opinion.
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Hmm, I suppose so, at least theoretically. Which is one reason why I'm bummed the fuck out over this. We tried to hold out and be the last bastion of drive-by anon posting.
I guess living in a bad cyber-hood ain't all it's 'cracked' up to be...
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I need to update the faq now.... :-(
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Sometimes looking around here and reading some of these fornits threads, is to me like taking a peek into the Mos Eisely Spaceport from Star Wars. You know: "...you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy..." That's what fornits is like sometimes, to me. Too rich for my blood.
And I really like a lot the quote from your friend's PM, psy. This person made an excellent point.
When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.
Perfectly put. This is actually the exact reason as to why I participate here only relatively little: it's troll city and I never felt like dealing with them very much, having neither the patience nor the desire. But, that's just me.
For a time last winter, the thread I started was sort of like my journal, and the things that I was publishing at the time (from within MH) were being processed and retrieved into my conscious awareness almost in the very moments that I was typing them out. It was very cathartic for me to have put all of those nasty memories out into public, and to have gotten some support from my peers. I am grateful for having found this domain and forum, the invaluable role that fornits has played in my therapy and healing process, and for the friends I have made through it. The moderators of this website have my support, and respect.
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IMO fornits ought to be better moderated (if possible, and according to resources available), but who am I to say?
Registration is a non-hurdle. Looks like I'm going to have to go back to using multiple pseudonyms to spread my message of discord.
Eventually they'll ban you by IP or some such thing and then you'll have ti fund another way in. Why do you bother?
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:feedtrolls: Fuck trolls. I wholeheartedly support more moderation.
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If you really wanted to get rid of the spamfag you'd ban him by IP
we did.
and see if he knows how to proxy.
he does.
He could be too much of a retard to make an account
he isn't, but it's a lot more hassle for him (new proxy, creating a new email, registration, confirmation, posting) and a lot less trouble to clean up the mess. Banning and account deletion along with all user's posts is on a single form, more or less a five click process.
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Also, why don't we just outright delete the racist threads? If the title of a post is racist, it discredits all the other posts on the same forum that might be intelligent and constructive. As soon as a would-be reader comes across the forum, their eyes are attracted to the racist slurs on the page and that's the impression that they go away with of Fornits users. The vast majority of us aren't racist, and by making us look like racists, those trolls are effectively moderating the forum themselves.
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Scum and villainy expert speaking.
Registration is a non-hurdle. Looks like I'm going to have to go back to using multiple pseudonyms to spread my message of discord.
(And no, in case the dumbasses in the audience can't tell, I'm not the spammy fag clogging up the place.)
Yes you are the same person, as you are the same person as Andy Dufrain, as you are the same person as so on and so forth that has been posting crap here for months now. This will not be tolerated and you cannot get around it by simply creating a new account and posting a "moderate" amount of threads with off-topic titles such as "Should niggers be allowed in programs?". You, as a person, are banned, permanently. Forever. Gone. Get the fuck out and do not come back.
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Also, why don't we just outright delete the racist threads? If the title of a post is racist, it discredits all the other posts on the same forum that might be intelligent and constructive. As soon as a would-be reader comes across the forum, their eyes are attracted to the racist slurs on the page and that's the impression that they go away with of Fornits users. The vast majority of us aren't racist, and by making us look like racists, those trolls are effectively moderating the forum themselves.
Well, here's the problem: eliminating dissenting viewpoints ultimately eliminates discussion. The killing effect goes beyond the specific posts in question.
I'm not too happy about the new no-guest posting policy. I'm hoping it's temporary, 'till "the flooder" gets his act together. Flooding shuts down posting for everyone, 'cuz it's impossible to ignore. Unlike offensive posts, which one can just skip over and not read, it's hard to focus on the meat one is most interested in, when one cannot even find it for the detritus of someone's meltdown.
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Antigen wrote
I'd suggest anybody who's really concerned about that level of evidence trail set up a disposable email account on something like hotmail or such like and use that for registration here.
But if your i p address dose'nt change, with different e-mail accounts, shouldn't you still know who everybody is? Or is that not possible?
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Ursus said
Well, here's the problem: eliminating dissenting viewpoints ultimately eliminates discussion. The killing effect goes beyond the specific posts in question.
It's like antibiotics. A few good cells wind up dying in order the kill the infection. (for better or worse)
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Antigen wrote
I'd suggest anybody who's really concerned about that level of evidence trail set up a disposable email account on something like hotmail or such like and use that for registration here.
But if your i p address dose'nt change, with different e-mail accounts, shouldn't you still know who everybody is? Or is that not possible?
register the disposable email from a proxy.
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Also, why don't we just outright delete the racist threads? If the title of a post is racist, it discredits all the other posts on the same forum that might be intelligent and constructive. As soon as a would-be reader comes across the forum, their eyes are attracted to the racist slurs on the page and that's the impression that they go away with of Fornits users. The vast majority of us aren't racist, and by making us look like racists, those trolls are effectively moderating the forum themselves.
Well, here's the problem: eliminating dissenting viewpoints ultimately eliminates discussion. The killing effect goes beyond the specific posts in question.
I'm not too happy about the new no-guest posting policy. I'm hoping it's temporary, 'till "the flooder" gets his act together. Flooding shuts down posting for everyone, 'cuz it's impossible to ignore. Unlike offensive posts, which one can just skip over and not read, it's hard to focus on the meat one is most interested in, when one cannot even find it for the detritus of someone's meltdown.[/quot
Why don't we delete racist threads,
Well I would have to agree w/ deleting them. This is not a dissenting viewpoint as in a debate if you were to look at most of the posts. It is just garbage thrown up their on the post for reaction. You almost could not even call it racist, due to the immaturity of the content. Though I would b/cuz it is hurtful and ignorant. It is not asking for a discussion "legitimately" in my opinion, it is begging of stupidity.
Anyway I find these threads distasteful to say the least and have nothing to do with this site, now I am new and wet behind the ears so any respone would be welcome........ :shamrock:
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Could someone please explain to me, how to upload an image? Tried several copy and paste, no luck (sorry a little just......)
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Could someone please explain to me, how to upload an image? Tried several copy and paste, no luck (sorry a little just......)
Below the preview and submit buttons, etc, there is an "upload attachment" tab. If you can't figure it out, let me know in PM and i'll send you a link to some documentation.
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Thanx O psychic one
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Psy, are you watching the chat? Flooder is threatening another hit. He say's he's not stack jones I think he is
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Is everything cool? I don't think the registration thing is a bad idea, really. Anyway you can't hide from them if they really want to find you...just like Charlie Manson said. I think bullshit racist threads should be deleted. Anyone who disagrees is worse than Hitler, and will be going to hell on a greased pole while Satan laughs his head off! On that note -- don't play cards with Satan, he'll deal you an awful hand!!!
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you fixy chat good now. no logy- no chaty. Maybe no trolls (would be nice)
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Mmmm... there are some folk who will probably only post as Guest, and it seems a shame to lose them. I am thinking in particular of the Layne Meacham (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28043) thread. :D
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Mmmm... there are some folk who will probably only post as Guest, and it seems a shame to lose them. I am thinking in particular of the Layne Meacham (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=28043) thread. :D
The more I learn about this site and the function of this site, man..the more I realise I don't know. Cause and effect, cause and effect.
This I'm talking here about is "impact" on people and their ability to communicate.
Once again to the founders and admin supporters, I tip my hat to your diligents. :shamrock:
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Psy,
I think this new rule will help clean up the site considerably. I agree with the posters regarding the removal of racist threads, it really does not contribute to this site and does take a lot away from it.
I have noticed in recent days that the troll threads have significantly decreased, as have their individual posts. I think many of us recognize that the trolls were doing most of the talking, and in their absence, we see less posts suddenly. Now we see posts primarily from "real" users, which is the way it should be.
I understand that there are a lot of registered users who only post as guest, but I assume they can come back and create a non-Guest account and still post. I feel a lot of those people were only here briefly and then left, so it shouldn't hurt anything. If someone wants to post, they'll come back, change to a real user name and get involved. No big deal. A minor inconvenience to keep this site healthier. I don't think for one minute it takes anything away from discussing or debating topics. People don't need to post as guests. They can create a legitimate name for themselves and stick with it, and like you said, it doesn't have to be their real name, so where is the harm?
If the last couple of days are any indication, trolls are having a much harder time spamming on Fornits now. The racist threads suddenly stopped being added to, new ones stopped being created. I think that is as it should be. They are no longer controlling the discussions.
Well done. I for one am happy to see some action taken to clean up the site and make it a safer environment for everyone.
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I for one think that the volume of posts will drop off the map (initially) but the quality of the posts will increase dramatically and we will all realize a better discussion and debate, which I think we have seen since day one of the implementation. I cant see where this change will drive away anyone who has something to say. Registering a user name does not mean you have to release your identity or give up your anonymity. The trolling and vulgarity were really starting to take over here especially in recent weeks.
The only thing I can think of to add is if it were possible to allow "guest" posting in a special forum which can be viewed by admins (customer Service) so that people can voice their concerns and let fornits relay information or questions about the safety of registering with this site…etc…. but if there were flooding or vulgarity, porn it would not show up in the main forum.
Over all I think this is a great move and I realize this was not an easy decision to make.
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I think it vary professional and courteous, that you and Ginger take a position like that. Most people would discontinue things without any explanation. I thank you for being open and not Dick Heads on Power trips. We have all dealt with them.I was in Elan in the early 70s and one hell of a time. I have yet to find anything to top it even prison.I like this site because you can roam around and find your group and attitude you want to maintain.Some people like to love some want to hate, and that's their right.Elansurvivors group is and can be a good info site for anyone from any place. I have been trying to motivate that thought with another guy and its not easy.The site is dwarfed by sites like this and I think it has a hard time being seen. This site has great corridors to walk down and find almost anything,kind of like a big Wall-Mart for survivors. And I appreciate the chance to help find support for other sites like ElanSurvivorsgroup on this site. I by no means mean to intrude or ask for something out of turn, I find the people here helpful and motivating and just would like them to help stimulate some knowledge and wisdom on our site, and maybe find some old and new friends I guess I am humbly asking for guest speakers to come over and motivate. It takes as allot of you know allot of support and info. And not being in the same place means nothing. They were all the same type of place that's whats important. They all have that same Sembler,Newton aka Fr Cassian, Joe Ricci ,Marshall Applewhite,David Berg,Ken Emmanual,etc. the list goes on.I have said to others that there has to be a coalition against these places and everone targets each place as a group. And on every victory we go to the next place and the next. And like allot of these self start groups. they can become very powerful and feared,And when your next on the list you pay attention. There are 1000s of us out here to do this and in the process can help each other, Thank You For Time And Considerations LET'S DO IT :cheers: :cheers: :rasta: :rasta: :moon: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: :jamin: :rocker:
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What a brilliant idea.
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Antigen,
This is a good move. I’d like to see more moderation here. All of the off-topic blather here should be able to be pruned fairly easily, and some of the manual spammers and the would be saboteurs (Whooter = John David Reuben) expunged altogether.
Explore how Rick Ross runs his forums
http://forum.rickross.com/ (http://forum.rickross.com/)
rick ross manages to moderate and not get stuck with legal liability for everything written on his site.
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Explore how Rick Ross runs his forums
Not that I agree with either side of the debate on the following, but Rick Ross does censor quite heavily if somebody is expressing an opinion he does not like:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rross_aa01.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rross_aa01.html)
It's all fine and dandy until you're on the censored end. I don't think it would ever be appropriate for this site to head in that direction. You don't win arguments or debates by silencing the other guy. It's intellectual sloth.
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Explore how Rick Ross runs his forums
Not that I agree with either side of the debate on the following, but Rick Ross does censor quite heavily if somebody is expressing an opinion he does not like:
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rross_aa01.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rross_aa01.html)
It's all fine and dandy until you're on the censored end. I don't think it would ever be appropriate for this site to head in that direction. You don't win arguments or debates by silencing the other guy. It's intellectual sloth.
I have found that to be true in my humble opinion....orange papers are/is a good arguement.
Even though I do not agree I'm sure psy, with your experience and or opinion of AA/NA/CA..... RR does not
have the right to censor anyone for a different understanding.
Intellectual sloth.....very interesting....
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I've split all the Elan discussion off into a new thread. If you're going to discuss that, please do it there (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29840). It's not fair to those who wish to read about or discuss the forum policies to wade through pages of Elan discussion which are more or less Chinese to those not familiar with the issue in order to find what they are looking for.
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Thank you for doing that,Some are more aggressive than others and some need the primal scream once and a while but atleast you know what your walking into. Serious Elan info only and the good nasty stuff like Straights does, Not allot of hand holding reminiscing about the good old days just straight business and thats getting Elan nothing but bad reviews and publicity on Elan and thats not a pretty job done by pretty people. Thank You again. Mark Babitz :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
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Thank you Psy, as you may have noticed I havent really been around lately... I logged on a few times but found it impossible to weed through all the bullshit to find a post worth commenting on... So :cheers: to you!!!
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This is excellent forums
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I just updated the Terms of Use (see the FAQ (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/faq.php#f0r2) and the Copyright office just published my DMCA agent registration.
http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/list/ ... ml#fornits (http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/list/f_agents.html#fornits)
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Thanks!
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I haven't posted on this site for over a year because every time I checked it out, it was full of ridiculous garbage posts. Glad you have a policy and I hope it helps.
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Cleveland, weren't you the one spewing F-bombs all over the forum?
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No, you must have me confused with someone else. I try to be respectful of all, as this forum really opened up a window on my past for me and I am grateful.
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Someone predicted the traffic would slow down due to the new rules - yep, it did.
It is unfortunate that the trolls buried so much of the substance of this forum - If I came upon the forum today I don't know if I would bother digging thru the wreckage to see if there was anything of value buried here.
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Someone predicted the traffic would slow down due to the new rules - yep, it did.
It is unfortunate that the trolls buried so much of the substance of this forum - If I came upon the forum today I don't know if I would bother digging thru the wreckage to see if there was anything of value buried here.
What's REALLY unforutnate is that the adminstrators refuse to do anything more about the trolling problem, and all in the name of "free speech." In effect, such a laissez-faire policy lets the trolls and assholes run this place by default.
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What trolls? I don't see any trolls.
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What trolls? I don't see any trolls.
but their poop is all over the place
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Naw, that was cleaned up over the weekend, this is the present. Dude your in a new world enjoy.
Danny
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Just so everybody knows, we're getting tired of deleting accounts for the same people over and over again. So I won't be doing that any more. If you want your posts removed from now on you'll have to do it yourself.
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Just so everybody knows, we're getting tired of deleting accounts for the same people over and over again. So I won't be doing that any more. If you want your posts removed from now on you'll have to do it yourself.
:rocker: :rofl: :rocker: :rofl: :rocker: :rofl:
Too. Damn. Funny.
:roflmao: :roflmao:
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Hehe.....<sigh>
Gone are the days when Fornit's was just, well....one forum, and you could count the number of Trolls on one hand, and really we all ended up getting along anyways (except Animals;)....this place is a regular corporation now ;).
Ive always posted as myself anyways...never saw a reason not to, but hopefully this will at least trim the fat.
Love Ya Ginger! Love Ya Psy! Love Ya GROOOOOOP!
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Any chance we can get some repetitive spam trolling deleted in the Aspen forum? I think it might be time to revisit the banning of Whooter for this flooding.
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Any chance we can get some repetitive spam trolling deleted in the Aspen forum? I think it might be time to revisit the banning of Whooter for this flooding.
You view the posts a little differently now that you are on the receiving end for a change? Are you asking that posters should not be able to repeat a previous post? Does this apply to yourself too? lol
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No, it's that you respond to every post in every thread with the same spam over and over. You were banned for this before and I'd like to see your spam removed. Maybe you should be banned again. I dunno. Up to the mods I guess.
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No, it's that you respond to every post in every thread with the same spam over and over. You were banned for this before and I'd like to see your spam removed. Maybe you should be banned again. I dunno. Up to the mods I guess.
Awl... your spamming was okay all these years, but now that the shoe is on the other foot you want to have me banned? lol
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I have never spammed and have never been banned. You have, both.
Not sure why you're trolling me in the admin forum now, too. You have several troll threads already running and I don't care about those. Feel free to troll away. But you should at least have some respect for this forum which is reserved for admin questions. If you feel I've been spamming, please let the mods know and they will act as they see fit.
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I have never spammed and have never been banned. You have, both.
Not sure why you're trolling me in the admin forum now, too. You have several troll threads already running and I don't care about those. Feel free to troll away. But you should at least have some respect for this forum which is reserved for admin questions. If you feel I've been spamming, please let the mods know and they will act as they see fit.
So you dont believe in trolling someone? Hmmm. Do you think people who troll others should be banned? Have you ever posted the same information over and over again in the same thread before?
Just trying to understand your new rules, DJ, hope you understand.
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again. But its good to hear that you are not trying to instill a double standard.
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again. But its good to hear that you are not trying to instill a double standard.
You WERE banned. Do you not understand the difference in tenses? But it's another way for you to lie, spin and deflect attention away from the lies you've been caught in.
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again.
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TheWho is currently banned for flooding. Anybody care to send me a list of links to the spam? If not, that's cool. Kelly can get at it from the back end later when she has time.
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again. But its good to hear that you are not trying to instill a double standard.
You WERE banned. Do you not understand the difference in tenses? But it's another way for you to lie, spin and deflect attention away from the lies you've been caught in.
I do understand, Anne, thank you. Like someone was killed. That occurred in the past (past tense), but it doesnt mean they are alive today. If a person is banned then they are banned. If I am posting right now then it means I am not banned. If I was banned at one time and then they realized it was a mistake then they would un-ban me, otherwise why would I be posting.
Interesting discussion, Anne
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Dysfunction is obsessed with Whooter, it's kind of funny if it weren't so sad.
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Any chance we can get some repetitive spam trolling deleted in the Aspen forum? I think it might be time to revisit the banning of Whooter for this flooding.
DJ, at least appear like your half a man. Stop your crying. :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa:
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again. But its good to hear that you are not trying to instill a double standard.
You WERE banned. Do you not understand the difference in tenses? But it's another way for you to lie, spin and deflect attention away from the lies you've been caught in.
OK, here we go again. Anne either you are a drunk or your stubborn, I personally think your both. Whooter was not banned, it was a temporary misunderstanding that was resolved quickly. He is still posting, dumb bunny.
Now in my circumstance with SEKTO and the Daytop Forum, I am banned (permanently). This is done and will never be rescinded. Big difference between Whooter's, (per say) banishment and mine.
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again. But its good to hear that you are not trying to instill a double standard.
You WERE banned. Do you not understand the difference in tenses? But it's another way for you to lie, spin and deflect attention away from the lies you've been caught in.
OK, here we go again. Anne either you are a drunk or your stubborn, I personally think your both. Whooter was not banned, it was a temporary misunderstanding that was resolved quickly. He is still posting, dumb bunny.
Now in my circumstance with SEKTO and the Daytop Forum, I am banned (permanently). This is done and will never be rescinded. Big difference between Whooter's, (per say) banishment and mine.
For the record TheWho was banned, twice that I'm aware of, it may have been more than that. The first time was because he was creating usernames similar to other posters and spamming the board. He was banned and was only later allowed back in because he cried and begged and promised never to do it again. The next time was an incident involving Deborah, of which the details are still a little hazy.
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again. But its good to hear that you are not trying to instill a double standard.
You WERE banned. Do you not understand the difference in tenses? But it's another way for you to lie, spin and deflect attention away from the lies you've been caught in.
OK, here we go again. Anne either you are a drunk or your stubborn, I personally think your both. Whooter was not banned, it was a temporary misunderstanding that was resolved quickly. He is still posting, dumb bunny.
Now in my circumstance with SEKTO and the Daytop Forum, I am banned (permanently). This is done and will never be rescinded. Big difference between Whooter's, (per say) banishment and mine.
For the record TheWho was banned, twice that I'm aware of, it may have been more than that. The first time was because he was creating usernames similar to other posters and spamming the board. He was banned and was only later allowed back in because he cried and begged and promised never to do it again. The next time was an incident involving Deborah, of which the details are still a little hazy.
Whats your point? That you are trying to point out that I am a bad person? or that you have no links to support what you are saying and cant get your facts straight?
In either event I am posting right now which means they made a mistake, otherwise I would still be banned (so you are wrong again). You and DJ both try to find dirt on people and portray them as something that just isnt there. That is your MO. DJ just tried to get me banned again yesterday, but when they reviewed the complaint they found out that DJ repeats posts many times more than I do (just like they concluded before).
Everyone here knows that DJ has been posting crap against me for years and now I give him a taste of his own medicine for 2 days and he cries to the admins to have me banned and even gets you on board to help him out because he cries foul. He is your classic troll and is so insecure and egotistical it is scary. I am surprised you still come out of the work work, Bruce, everytime he gets his ass kicked to help him out. What do you get out of it anyway Bruce? Why not talk to him to change his ways and start joining in the daily discussions instead of attacking people character.
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I'm not an admin nor a mod. They make the rules, not me. You were already banned for the same things you're doing now and I just pointed it out to the mods. If you need to discuss it, discuss it with them, not me. I'm "just a regular poster."
If I were banned then why am I posting here today? I guess you must be wrong again. But its good to hear that you are not trying to instill a double standard.
You WERE banned. Do you not understand the difference in tenses? But it's another way for you to lie, spin and deflect attention away from the lies you've been caught in.
OK, here we go again. Anne either you are a drunk or your stubborn, I personally think your both. Whooter was not banned, it was a temporary misunderstanding that was resolved quickly. He is still posting, dumb bunny.
Now in my circumstance with SEKTO and the Daytop Forum, I am banned (permanently). This is done and will never be rescinded. Big difference between Whooter's, (per say) banishment and mine.
For the record TheWho was banned, twice that I'm aware of, it may have been more than that. The first time was because he was creating usernames similar to other posters and spamming the board. He was banned and was only later allowed back in because he cried and begged and promised never to do it again. The next time was an incident involving Deborah, of which the details are still a little hazy.
DJ, obviously with all your degrees you still have not figured out what banned means. Pete Rose was banned from managing baseball ever, 20 years later he is still banned.
Please explain DJ, how this relates to Whooter.
Oh, stop posting under RB you look like a fool.
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Whats your point? That you are trying to point out that I am a bad person? or that you have no links to support what you are saying and cant get your facts straight?
Which facts do you feel aren't correct? Don't make generalizations Whooter, be specific in what you feel is a false accusation on my part.
In either event I am posting right now which means they made a mistake, otherwise I would still be banned (so you are wrong again). You and DJ both try to find dirt on people and portray them as something that just isnt there. That is your MO. DJ just tried to get me banned again yesterday, but when they reviewed the complaint they found out that DJ repeats posts many times more than I do (just like they concluded before).
Well as I said earlier, the first time wasn't a mistake. You were banned, and then you asked to be allowed back on the boards with the promise that you would no longer spam the boards (promise broken) and you would no longer attempt to imitate other posters. The second time involved a situation with Deborah, the details of which I already stated I do not know. Perhaps you can shine some light on the situation. As far as DJ trying to get you banned yesterday, I don't know a thing about it. What I do know is what I can see, in that you repeatedly flood and spam the board for no apparent reason. Now with finding dirt on people, again if you'd like to list a specific instance I'd be happy to address it, otherwise I'm not sure what you're refering to. I can however cite some examples of you doing that very thing you're complaining about now. Why the double standard Whooter?
Everyone here knows that DJ has been posting crap against me for years and now I give him a taste of his own medicine for 2 days and he cries to the admins to have me banned and even gets you on board to help him out because he cries foul. He is your classic troll and is so insecure and egotistical it is scary. I am surprised you still come out of the work work, Bruce, everytime he gets his ass kicked to help him out. What do you get out of it anyway Bruce? Why not talk to him to change his ways and start joining in the daily discussions instead of attacking people character.
I don't know that you've given DJ a dose of anything. I would also question your claim of having kicked his ass. Regardless though I can assure you I haven't spoken to DJ off the boards in a few months. He didn't ask me for anything. I come onto the boards at random and see if any conversations occuring that I feel I can add something to. If there are I join in, if not I move on.
I might ask you though about your own charge. Why don't you join in the conversation rather than repeatedly flooding and adding nothing of substance?
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Well as I said earlier, the first time wasn't a mistake. You were banned, and then you asked to be allowed back on the boards with the promise that you would no longer spam the boards (promise broken) and you would no longer attempt to imitate other posters. The second time involved a situation with Deborah, the details of which I already stated I do not know. Perhaps you can shine some light on the situation. As far as DJ trying to get you banned yesterday, I don't know a thing about it. What I do know is what I can see, in that you repeatedly flood and spam the board for no apparent reason. Now with finding dirt on people, again if you'd like to list a specific instance I'd be happy to address it, otherwise I'm not sure what you're refering to. I can however cite some examples of you doing that very thing you're complaining about now. Why the double standard Whooter?
Okay, RobertBruce, you like to make up posts and facts just like your buddy DJ. Lets see a link to your facts here.
Provide a link or prove yourself a liar like your friend.
This is what you do, Bruce, you come on here to try to take the focus off your friend Dysfunction Junction when he is in trouble. Provide the link to the above underlined fact of yours.
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http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21796&hilit=Goodbye
Happy to oblidge.
Here it is for those too lazy to click on the link:
by psy » Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:09 am
I'm not sure I agree with this decision... but I can't say I'll miss him either. He made it a point of disrupting the forum, he insulted survivors, he impersonated/slandered others, he lied about what he said... etc etc etc...
The thing about banning him is this: Those who have not read his posting history could interpret this as what he was accusing us of: groupthink.
for those who doubt there was a good reason:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=263957#263957 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=263957#263957)
Anything else I can help you with then John?
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Well as I said earlier, the first time wasn't a mistake. You were banned, and then you asked to be allowed back on the boards with the promise that you would no longer spam the boards (promise broken) and you would no longer attempt to imitate other posters. The second time involved a situation with Deborah, the details of which I already stated I do not know. Perhaps you can shine some light on the situation. As far as DJ trying to get you banned yesterday, I don't know a thing about it. What I do know is what I can see, in that you repeatedly flood and spam the board for no apparent reason. Now with finding dirt on people, again if you'd like to list a specific instance I'd be happy to address it, otherwise I'm not sure what you're refering to. I can however cite some examples of you doing that very thing you're complaining about now. Why the double standard Whooter?
Okay, RobertBruce, you like to make up posts and facts just like your buddy DJ. Lets see a link to your facts here.
Provide a link or prove yourself a liar like your friend.
This is what you do, Bruce, you come on here to try to take the focus off your friend Dysfunction Junction when he is in trouble. Provide the link to the above underlined fact of yours.
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So since you were incorrect Whooter, I think you owe me an apology for calling me a liar, when clearly I was telling the truth about you.
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Just in case you or anyone else needed further verification:
by Antigen » Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:16 am
TheWho is currently banned for flooding. Anybody care to send me a list of links to the spam? If not, that's cool. Kelly can get at it from the back end later when she has time.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=2685
Ouch....stings a little doesn't it?
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Look, here's your own addmission:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25362&hilit=banned&start=195
by OH WEHT » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:22 pm
Well, it appears the reason I have not been able to log-in (The last day or so) was that I was in the process of being Banned. Got this message this morning. So I am using someone elses computer.
.....you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Commercial Spamming, intentional disruption of the forum
so I guess "Free speech ala fornits" will be rewritten in favor of anti-program posts and propaganda....there is a new sheriff (and Deputies) in town, careful what you post everyone.
THEWHO...
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Here's a reference to where you apparently promised to be good, and then later broke your promise:
by psy » Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:57 pm
Up the Wahoo wrote:
OH WEHT wrote:
Well, it appears the reason I have not been able to log-in (The last day or so) was that I was in the process of being Banned. Got this message this morning. So I am using someone elses computer.
.....you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
Commercial Spamming, intentional disruption of the forum
so I guess "Free speech ala fornits" will be rewritten in favor of anti-program posts and propaganda....there is a new sheriff (and Deputies) in town, careful what you post everyone.
THEWHO...
Wow...you don't get it, boy...You're a billboard for an entire industry, and even by your standards, that includes the abusive ones. You won't name the "good" ones...you won't name the "bad". You're doing referral binnis off this forum, and that's no good, no good at all. This is a referral free zone, boy. The "sherif"f is putting an end to your advertising, and I hear no voices in the wilderness crying out in despair. You're a liar and a pig, and all you contribute is disruption and advertising for your company's interests. Free speech is one thing...Your speech is paid. Now beat it, boy.
Yup. Commercial activity. He's using the forum to manually spam and generate business... and spamming isn't allowed. That's not even to mention his intentional disruption of the forum. If people attempt ignore him, he logs out and posts as a guest so he can irritate others.
Free speech is one thing. Plugging your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALA at the top of your lungs to disrupt conversations, spread propoganda, and advertise for Aspen is entierly another. Good bye Whooter. Dont' expect a single tear to be shed here.
A little while back, whooter sent me an email saying that "scouts honor" he would leave of his own volition if Ginger asked him to leave. Well. Enough pushing and that finally happened. No surprise, he has no honor, and continued to post and post and post. So... he was held accountable.
Ha,ha,ha.
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RobertBruce, you asked me earlier why I didn’t want to answer your questions or have a conversation with you. I avoided contact with you because your reason for being here on fornits is to try to discredit people by posting half truths and misleading the readers (like you have done above).
I asked you to show me a post where it states:
Well as I said earlier, the first time wasn't a mistake. You were banned, and then you asked to be allowed back on the boards with the promise that you would no longer spam the boards (promise broken) and you would no longer attempt to imitate other posters.
Instead of answering the question you misled the readers yet again.
You claimed “the first time wasn't a mistake”. Here is the results of the first time I was banned (2007):
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=278596#p278596)
You and your buddy did the same thing with the post where I said I went to Chicago. The post clearly stated that I met with Fornits posters, but you left that part out and set out on a campaign to make it appear it was with Industry people.
You have an agenda like your buddy DJ does and you are not interested in discussing the topics on this board, Bruce, and I will not be responding to you. Its not fair to the other readers.
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It's unfortunate that you feel that way Whooter. My agenda is and always has been to uncover the truth about these places and the people who support them. Doing so proves very difficult with you because you seem intent on consistently playing games. That aside though it appears there is more to this story, so I'll look more into it and see what I can find. If it turns out I was mistaken, I'll apologize, if not I have no doubt that you'll own and apologize to me.
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RobertBruce, you asked me earlier why I didn’t want to answer your questions or have a conversation with you. I avoided contact with you because your reason for being here on fornits is to try to discredit people by posting half truths and misleading the readers (like you have done above).
I asked you to show me a post where it states:
Well as I said earlier, the first time wasn't a mistake. You were banned, and then you asked to be allowed back on the boards with the promise that you would no longer spam the boards (promise broken) and you would no longer attempt to imitate other posters.
Instead of answering the question you misled the readers yet again.
You claimed “the first time wasn't a mistake”. Here is the results of the first time I was banned (2007):
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=278596#p278596)
You and your buddy did the same thing with the post where I said I went to Chicago. The post clearly stated that I met with Fornits posters, but you left that part out and set out on a campaign to make it appear it was with Industry people.
You have an agenda like your buddy DJ does and you are not interested in discussing the topics on this board, Bruce, and I will not be responding to you. Its not fair to the other readers.
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I must say though that I find it ironic that considering the fact that you Whooter consistently operate with half truths or un founded claims about other posters, would choose to cry about recieving the same treatment. Especially when you add the fact that I have not lied about you at all. Can you say the same about me or DJ?
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Well here's this:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22525&p=275995#p275995
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by psy » Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:49 am
"TheWho" wrote:
Since they don’t have religious services at ASR, one Sunday morning during their usual group, about 3 years ago, the head counselor Stephen (who also had a background in Theology) decided to add a little religion to the daily routine and laid out a challenge to all the students and asked them if they could identify the most famous religious man who ever lived. He also went on to say that the student who named him would be able to get a “pass” on their next restriction. So Daniel was the first to raise his hand and said I know who it is “ St. Patrick”. The counselor said good try but “No”. Ewan (who was Scottish) stood up and stated it must be “St. Andrew”. Sorry Ewan, sit down. Then Maurice raised his hand and said its “Jesus Christ”. Stephen said that's right! Come up and get your pass. As he was handing Maurice his pass he said “I was a little surprised you said Jesus Christ, with you being Jewish and all”. Maurice responded “Yea, I know, in my heart I knew it was Moses, but business is business”!!
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Holy crap... Where did you come from... gotta fix that ban-list now.
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And here it is:
Split: Who's Back to Derailing Threads
by Anne Bonney » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:42 am
I didn't realize he was banned a second time. I would have no problem with him being here if he'd be required to login so he couldn't abuse the anon feature. He's just a total dick who fucks himself in the end because he can't keep his stories straight. If his posts are tied together it will become very obvious very quickly that he's a total shill, to those who don't already know.
just my opinion
You were banned twice Whooter. You erronously believed both times were due to Deborah's actions. You were incorrect and apparently no one bothered, (or perhaps you never listened) to what the issue was the first time. The first time was entirely because of me, not Deborah. Deb was aware of the situation but she had no part in it. I got you banned Whooter, and justifiably so. You were playing games flooding the boards and impersonating not only other posters, but yourself in attempt to direct attention away from you. It was obvious what was going on and Ginger banned you. Later on you were allowed back on the board and were subsequently banned for a situation involving Deborah. Again, I do not know he details, so if you'd like to shine some light on the situation, knock yourself out. I hope this clears the matter up for you Whooter.
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What is your point, Bruce. Why are you just trying to dig up dirt on people all the time? Who cares if I was banned 10 times or not. The point is that the banning(s) was a mistake and they reversed it. I am posting now.
At the time Whooter was banned (at that time, "The Who") there was an admin on board who was a little too emotionally involved and told Ginger he was flooding (Ginger took this admin's word for it as she was pre-occupied and allowed the ban). Whooter came to me requesting a more objective view. I took a look at his posting and determined that what he was doing did not constitute any technical definition of flooding, so I talked to ginger and un-banned him.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=364328#p364328)
I was banned, who cares, does that make you a big man or something? Start building a footer like Dysfunction Junction did and maybe it will help you get past it like he is trying to. If it makes you feel like a better person then I am all for it. But I am posting now. That was then this is now. If you liked it better when I was banned then go back to 2007 and read all the posts back then and pretend you are living in the past.
If it really bothers you that much that I am here then PM Ginger or Psy and talk it out with them. They are reasonable people and would understand if you are going through a difficult time and maybe they will alter the forum policies to accommodate your difficulties. Until then I would suggest another forum maybe if my presence bothers you that much.
Unless you are addressing the present policies, though, I would suggest you take this discussion out to the forum and out of the "Forum Policies" thread.
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Not at all Whooter, I'm happy to know that you've accepted the fact that it wasn't a mistake and you were justifiably banned the first time. I didn't bring the issue up to begin with, but I'm glad we can move forward.
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Not at all Whooter, I'm happy to know that you've accepted the fact that it wasn't a mistake and you were justifiably banned the first time. I didn't bring the issue up to begin with, but I'm glad we can move forward.
Your an asshole ,Bruce.
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Not at all Whooter, I'm happy to know that you've accepted the fact that it wasn't a mistake and you were justifiably banned the first time. I didn't bring the issue up to begin with, but I'm glad we can move forward.
Your an asshole ,Bruce.
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Where's all this anger coming from Whooter? Or should I call you something else you meant to log in under?