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The article leaves out what the boy did to cause staff to need to intervene. Staff doesn't sit on students for no reason, he could of been threatening other students.::eek3::
Exactly, so lets not all get bent out of shape because people speculated on what Mr. Millers intentions are… whether or not he invites survivors to the next meeting is his call and he will do what he feels is right and in the best interest of the cause (as he sees it).
In the mean time people will have opinions and lets not poke them with a sharp stick because you don’t agree with them or like them.
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the Committee asked GAO to (1) verify
whether allegations of abuse and
death at residential treatment
programs are widespread and
(2) examine the facts and
circumstances surrounding
selected closed cases where a
teenager died while enrolled in a
private program.
To select our case studies, we identified numerous closed civil and criminal cases in which a court was asked to decide whether a private residential treatment program was responsible for the death of an enrolled teenager.
QuoteBecause no one knew until the report was released what was going to be in it or what the focus would be.
Bingo!! finally.. and we wont know if and how many survivors he will ask for the second hearing until we see it or Mr. Miller decides to release that information.
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The 2nd report will focus on abuse and I expect survivors to testify, until then it's all needless speculation, K? Good, let's get back on topic...
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""Stop putting words in Millers mouth. Seriously all of this crap you are spouting about credibility and Miller's intentions are bull shit who. The first GAO report focused on deaths, which you would know if you cared to read it. Logic dictates that those kids can't speak for themselves so their parents were the next best spokesmen to highlight the focus of the FIRST GAO report. The 2nd report will focus on abuse and I expect survivors to testify, until then it's all needless speculation, K? Good, let's get back on topic...
I think you may be full of crap, you didn’t know what his intentions were until the hearings like everyone else[Never said I did, so where the hell did you get that idea from?] . I read the lead up report[No idiot, I said read the GAO report] and watched the testimony live. Why was everyone so upset because survivors were not invited to the first hearing if he made it clear that they were focusing on Deaths in the first hearing and abuse for the second hearing?
If this was so clear why didn’t anyone hear about it except you?[Twisting my words again, the information about the 2nd report was reveled during the hearings, and the first report was released during the hearings. I never claimed I knew before hand what the focus of the report would be]
My comments were developed and based on his possible reasoning for not including survivors testimony, which to date, he has not asked for.[Oh I guess that whole GAO investigation he asked for came out of thin air, not testimony from survivors.]
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Quote from: ""Rachael""Quote from: ""TheWho""The parents typically work very hard with local services and exhaust every option before choosing to place their child outside the home. Don’t be fooled by what some say here, it is a very difficult decision. Any parent that has kids and are faced with these decisions know what I am talking about.
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Well, you are partially right. My mother did do the rounds with local counselors, psychiatrists, detox centres and drug rehabilition programs (real ones). She took me to every one she could find, and every one told her that I was perfectly fine, so she had to find an appropriately money-oriented program that wouldn't care about that niggling little detail that I didn't have a problem. Lucky her, she found one right in town - and only $150/day (plus the mandatory galas to raise money, fundraising drives and hitting up your more powerful friends for more).
Rachael, I apologize if you have covered this many times over and I missed it. But why did your mother think you had a problem if all the professionals in town thought you were okay? I remember you saying you had high grades and all and you were not really big into substances (Drugs alcohol), why the detox? She must have been hooked onto some notion that made her not believe the pros. I missed that part of it, I guess.
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CCM Girl's flippant remark about sexual abuse in programs.
That's the one that got to me, especially in the context of the conversation. Of course I'm aware that not all sexual experiences inside program are abusive, but sex between staff and student, no matter how hot he is or how much she wants it too is wrong. Its abuse of power. Some people were horribly scarred by the sexual abuse they endured inside and for that comment to come out right on the heels of those people was..... insensitive to say the least.