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Elan School / Re: [PLEASE READ] Elan Forum Rules
« on: January 23, 2010, 12:53:53 PM »
:cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :peace:  ::unhappy::

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Open Free for All / Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
« on: January 20, 2010, 09:45:35 AM »
:soapbox: Now that we have found the problem. hopefully we will find the cure good by Felic I told you you when playing a game you didn't know how to play. :jawdrop:

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Open Free for All / Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
« on: January 20, 2010, 08:58:13 AM »
There is wifi and your not smart enough to track an IP number stupid :jawdrop:  :cheers:  :feed trolls:

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Re: I have done the honorable thing
« on: January 20, 2010, 08:52:01 AM »
Why has this person threaten suicide before ? Thats not a funny joke. :timeout:  :timeout:

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Open Free for All / Re: Who Wants Elan Forums Better Monitored
« on: January 20, 2010, 08:47:38 AM »
I so far have seen Danny get kicked off two sites for Medellin and causing confusion. :cheers:  :cheers:

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Open Free for All / Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
« on: January 20, 2010, 08:40:43 AM »
Who is Mark talking about,? Did anyone check ? ::OMG::

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Open Free for All / Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
« on: January 19, 2010, 03:55:23 PM »
::OMG:: Cant take this stuff away its downloaded and on the web. ::OMG::

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« on: January 19, 2010, 03:53:10 PM »
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My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny ...
Man you dont get along with anyone, The above comes from the world wide web when you google Danny L Bennison. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker: Writing style cant forget writing styles.  And how did Randy Jackson join fornits on the 9 or 10th of January and today shows as joined yesterday and I have been talking and seeing him since last Thur, and so has everyone else Randy Jackson is a name that stands out, bad choice of an alias who ever and all of his post prior are gone,but the people like Raving Mad remember when they talked about some things and the dates were shifted. At Least if someones going to tamper with a site do it right and dont leave such sloppy clues and evidence.First off Randys a basher he stands out people notice him dummy,he not the quiet guy in the corner no one sees, Hes up front yell. You get an F-- in covert ops.Never do something your not good at with others that are STUPID. :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :jawdrop:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :rocker:

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Open Free for All / Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
« on: January 19, 2010, 03:38:41 PM »
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by Inculcated » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:47 pm

Hi Danny Bennison,
I was startled to see how many of these programs you were in. I’m happy you’ve found a happiness and stability away from your addiction (21 years-nice) and very sincerely sorry that you had to endure so much to get there.

What are the reasons that you were in three of these very similar, but separate programs? In addtion to Elan, I am very curious to know what your recollections of Daytop and Marathon House were like. Which facilities were you in?“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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Re: are there any success stories?
by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:17 pm

Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny
Laughs. Yeah, I’m sure the name would give someone pause.

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One Elan resident trying to excerize his right to speak w/o judgement we all have a kinship with each other lets express it please. Love and Peace Danny ( My name is ( Daniel Lee Bennison) I had interpreted this from a previous post of yours coupled with that you mentioned having been in Daytop as an openness to discuss either program. My interest was piqued about your experiences of early Daytop, due to the fact that I had been in Daytop. If you’re not interested in being asked such direct questions you should probably abstain from offering blanket advice to others …

Danny Bennison wrote:
People find a spirit larger than you and humble yourself. That's what I do today. Peace of mind you don't know how valuable it is until you lost it. Lets move on find solutions and be humane that's what are fellow Elan family would want from us to be of service. Peace and Love Danny
A statement like that conveys baseless assumptions about the reader before you’ve even finished typing it out . Did you make a lot of similar statements directed at anyone within earshot when you “worked at” Elan? How did that work for you?

Danny Bennison wrote:
It took me another 11yrs after I graduated 1/77 till 11/88 to clean up, sober up
Since you’ve said you didn’t get clean until years following your time there, would that mean you were using while working at Elan or otherwise?

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Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny
No, I will not be giving you my full name. “Why because I can” and the like…I’m not interested in hearing any more of. I can understand very much why you would appreciate not being asked for specifics. Those are a little harder to come up with than slogans and No, I will not be communicating with you off Forum. There’s no need for it.
 Carry on“A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free” Nikos Kazantzakis Inculcated
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Re: are there any success stories?
by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:24 pm

Man you really enjoy yourself , I bet you were just waiting for someone new to show up so you could do exactly what you did. LOL Dude/ Dudess relax your still in charge I concede the high ground, I'm here in a peaceful spirit. This type of verbal boxing doesn't excite me anymore, I don't know what riled you up but obviously you chose not to take advice. Stop being in charge for awhile let your guard down reveal yourself and I'm sure we could have a decent conversation otherwise stay incognito and we can still talk but give up the intensity. No problems here dude I'm just a easy going guy. You pulled bits of my stories like I was in front of a congressional hearing ready to be voted in to something. We are normal folks writing I don't even remember what I ate this morning and don't care. I write from my heart and I didn't believe I was hurting anyone. But that doesn't give anyone the right to give unsolicited critic (maybe w/o the intensity). I love making freinds how about you. Love and Peace Danny P.S. (thought you had me uh!!) LOL
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Re: are there any success stories?
by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:31 pm

The statement "why because I can" is a phrase used between my freinds, concerning giving out ones name and email. So many folks don't like to do that. I can, so I do. Man I forgot just how sensitive we addicts are (including me). Danny
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Re: are there any success stories?
by Danny Bennison » Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:43 pm

OH yes, you detective work paid I did get high while working at Elan, smoked 2 jionts but what really happened was I kicked off a career of alcoholism. Man I drank like no tomarrow with no concern for anything. That is what Alcoholics do there selfish. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it but by the "grace of God". Thanks Buddy
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Re: are there any success stories?
by Inculcated » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:04 am

Danny Bennison wrote:
(thought you had me uh!!)
Not interested in having you, nor any parry and thrust with you. My brief interest in any possibility of you actually having insights into the early days of Marathon House, Daytop or Elan to share has waned. In eight short posts I’ve seen enough of your judgements and jargon to know there’s not much more that I would find substantive.
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Re: are there any success stories?
by Ursus » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:09 am

Danny Bennison wrote:
...I spent from 6/71 till 1/77 incarcerated in one form or another. In drug treatment programs Daytop 71, Marathon house 73 and Elan 75 in between in and out of Y.C.C. in Cranston R.I. So I understand full well what everyone here is talking about and I am willing to be a student. But I won't just sit around and talk about the problem with no end in site, we also have to talk about the solution. To end here in 1971 I was twelve years old.
That's some pretty heavy "dues" there, Danny. The thought occurs to me that all that time spent at the mercy of being "fixed" by proselytizing do-gooders, let alone at the tender age that ya got pulled into that mess, might very result in creating an "addiction" to, or need for, being in that kind of structured environment. I mean... what else did you know? Do you think that might have had something to do with why you ended up having a drinking problem while you were on staff at Elan?

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Re: are there any success stories?
by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:16 am

Hey if treating people like you do works for you great, I would really like to meet your alter Ego probably a nice person but I'm sure he can't be revealed b/cuz "inculate" likes to dominate with his anger. I hope you find peace maybe the next time you ask such questions you'll give a formal intro first it is only polite. Thanks for our brief encounter Danny
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Re: are there any success stories?
by Danny Bennison » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:36 am

Ursula, Thanks for commenting I was dickering with someone who calls themselves "inculate". Well now w/o going into a long story yes I'm sure that had some to do w/ it . The other part is the addictive side of my personality whether I was incarcerated or not I had this. I remember in even younger years my obsessive/ compulsive behavior. Alcohole was just waiting for me. Now for my years of treatment centers I will tell you in a sort of sick twisted parable ironic way they kept me alive long enough long enough to learn why a conscious was important. Man my sense of indifference towards folks and society was bordering on weird.
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Re: are there any success stories?
by wimbelton » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:07 am

I was surely more of a drug-addict than you, that I know for a fact. Before Elan especially, but definitely post-Elan as well. Yet, I do not understand what that has to do with my statement.

You clearly fall into category 3 for one main reason: you went back to Elan to work as a staff member.

You obviously have a twisted mind. Who could experience Elan and then voluntarily go back to work as a staff member. You never got over that shit huh? You never shook Elan off of your back. You never stepped back and actually looked at what happened, did you?

Then you went back to work as a staff member? You are either a greedy bastard, sick in the head, or are driven by some insane belief that you can 'help' people using the same skills that Elan taught you.

Elan played you fool.

Elan filled your head with bullshit in order to keep collecting $$$.

You agree with people being in Elan now? In 2009? You think the program changed just because you were there 'back in the day'? It is no different now. Only now, they are praying on younger and more vulnerable children.

Get a clue. :beat:  :beat:  :beat:

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Open Free for All / Re: Elan discussion from New Forum Policies
« on: January 19, 2010, 03:28:33 PM »
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« on: January 18, 2010, 01:26:06 PM »
Torture Conference At Colby College
Colby College in Waterville will host an international conference, "Torture and Human Rights: The Challenge of Redress and Rehabilitation," on Saturday, November 19. Beatrice Mtetwa, a human-rights attorney from Zimbabwe, will give the lunch keynote address. A workshop entitled "New Tactics in Human Rights" will "provide practical skills for combating human rights abuses." Torture survivors, lawyers, scholars, and others will make up several panels.

The conference is open and free to the public. It's sponsored by Colby's Oak Institute for Human Rights. For more information, check out www.colby.edu/oak

Another penal expert in Maine concurs, and he has more than academic expertise with the prison system. Peter Lehman, who has a doctorate in sociology and who formerly taught criminology at the University of Southern Maine, is himself on probation after spending five years at the former Maine State Prison, in Thomaston, and the nearby prison farm. Lehman was convicted, in 1998, of taking sexual photographs of four girls, aged 12 to 15, and having sex with a 15-year-old.

Talking with Lehman on the phone, I am struck by his extraordinary combination of practical and scholarly insights. I suggest we meet, which we do in an Augusta coffee shop.

He is a diminutive, bearded 60-year-old. He lives in the mid-coast and is trying to earn a living as an entrepreneur. The Internet-posted state registry of sex offenders makes earning a living difficult.

"I'll never get a job," he says.

He tends to become professorial when talking about his expertise.

"Most crimes are expressive, not instrumental," he asserts, using sociological terms. What he means is that it is an emotion, such as rage or fear, or the high of an addictive behavior, that drives many people to commit crimes, both outside of and within prison -- and not the calculation of benefits, not the view of the crime as a means to an end.

"Have you ever slammed a door when you're angry or frustrated?" he asks. "It feels good. It's not instrumental, but expressive."

He calls the Supermax "simply one end of a continuum in the prison system." How to stop Supermax inmates from throwing urine and feces? The "prison thinks the way to deal with that is punishment," Lehman says, "but [the inmate's action] is not a calculated, rational decision. This is an expression of rage."

Lehman believes prisons breed antisocial behavior: "Say an inmate borrows a magazine or a CD from someone else. One of the rules is 'no giving or receiving.' If person A is caught with B's CD and the officer wants to push it, both are subject to disciplinary action. People can actually lose [good] time for that. It could mean that you could lose privileges. You could actually lose your job or get sent to the Supermax."

He continues: "Now most of us as human beings would think it's a virtue to loan something to somebody to help them out." But in prison, this social behavior is penalized.

Despite these antisocial rules, Lehman says, "one of the most amazing things is how much [inmates] risk punishment to help each other. . . . But to be generous they have to lie, pretend, sneak around.

"Incarceration creates a situation where all of the kinds of issues that you have are very typically heightened -- trauma, degradation, lack of a sense of self. I'm not sure that I met more than a handful of men in prison who didn't have a trauma history. Prison deepens these kinds of issues and wounds.

"There is an arbitrariness about discipline. The rules are such that it is virtually impossible to avoid a situation where anybody can get busted at any time." Most guards mean well, he says, but they are stuck in a bad system.

McEwen agrees with Lehman's view that crime is mostly expressive. And he thinks Lehman's description of how the prison rewards antisocial behavior is "a great insight." The Supermax was basically designed to prevent cooperative behavior, McEwen says. By isolating people, supermaxes "don't socialize people to get along with each other."

Do We Want To Change Things?
The more cynical prisoners and civilians will tell you the prison "industry" is a big business that thrives on crime, recidivism, and severe, counterproductive punishment, as evidenced by the enormous prison building boom of the past 20 years, by the growth of large private prison corporations nationally (there are no private prisons in Maine), and by strong guard unions that contribute to politicians' campaign treasuries. There are many salaries and careers tied up in the caretaking of prisoners.

"Recidivism is money in the bank" for this industry, Supermax prisoner Deane Browne tells me.

Even the less cynical among political observers would tend to place government corrections budgets, like the budgets for the mentally ill, far down the funding-priority ladder.

And everyone to whom I asked the question agreed prisons are dumping grounds for the mentally ill.

"That's true of every [correctional] system," says Denise Lord, the associate corrections commissioner. Some estimates of the recidivism of mentally ill prisoners are as high as 80 percent. The state corrections department estimates that 85 percent of inmates in its system have mental illness or substance-abuse problems. Lord says that 40 percent of the state prison's inmates are on psychotropic drugs.

She also says Maine has a greater percentage of mentally ill prisoners than any other state. In chorus, both Commissioner Magnusson and Lord emphatically say they want to put more mentally ill prisoners into mental health facilities -- but there is no room for them because the beds at these facilities are all full.

It is almost a given in political circles that the public and its legislators are callous about what happens in the prisons -- though they are concerned about crime, especially when a notorious crime occurs and politicians can make hay over it.

"Society is ignorant of this stuff because they don't want to hear [about it]," says Chuck Limanni, a Supermax prisoner I interviewed, about prison abuse. "They don't realize this stuff is hurting them, too. The majority in here are getting out. Most of the time they're worse off than they were, and they create more harm. They learn to hate."

He adds: "While being punished, it would be good to learn a skill." Limanni says that the last time he was out of prison, he and his girlfriend had a $1300-a-day cocaine habit that needed to be fed, and for many addicts the only way to do it is to steal.

Bowdoin sociologist Craig McEwen comments on "the politicization of crime, fed by the media. We demonize certain types of criminal activity, reinforcing the notion that more punishment is better -- the language of 'toughness on crime' . . . it's politically profitable."

In analyzing "tough on crime" attitudes, both doctors McEwen and Lehman speak of "moral panics," which, according to one dictionary definition, is "a mass movement based on the false or exaggerated perception that some individual or group . . . is dangerously deviant and poses a menace to society. Moral panics are generally fueled by media coverage of social issues."

The relationship of legislation to moral panics is close, McEwen says. In the sociological community, "there is a good deal of agreement on the political momentum that builds from one or two well-publicized cases." He mentions the first President Bush's notorious "Willie Horton" TV ad from the 1988 presidential campaign that drove many state legislatures to wipe out parole for convicts. After one little girl was killed in a brutal way in New Jersey, states instituted "Megan's Law" sex-offender registries.

Even the Department of Corrections seems to agree, at least in part, with the moral-panic problem. Both Magnusson and Lord express concern about legislators in the coming session leading a charge to invent new crimes or establish tougher penalties for crimes -- arising, for example, from a trucker involved in a fatal accident while driving after license suspension. Or from national news about identity theft or methamphetamine manufacture.

But lack of concern may be a bigger obstacle to prison reform than panic is. Senator Bill Diamond, the Democrat from Windham who is chair of the state's Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee which oversees the state correctional system, has not had any problems expressed to him about mentally ill prisoners in the Supermax, he says in a phone interview.

There is a problem with funding, however, for the prison, he says. The Legislature required an extra $1.5-million cut in the corrections budget in the last session, he explains, and "I suspect there are funding deficiencies in all their areas." His party controls the Legislature.

Diamond, who has worked as a lobbyist for the Elan School, the Poland Spring facility that puts troubled young people through controversial therapy (it was investigated by the state in 2002 for alleged abuse of its clients) agrees that "there is not a lot of support" from the public for prison funding: "People have other priorities" -- such as, at the moment, he says, how to heat their homes when fuel-oil prices are sky-high. He did not seem terribly interested in the subject of Supermax
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« on: January 17, 2010, 11:39:44 AM »
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