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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 21, 2004, 07:26:00 PM
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... i used to attend the whitmore buT i was taken out by my parents due to the fact of the mental, emotional, and child to child abuse that was taking placE THERE.
I have just recently discovered this Fora and i am glad i did. So i can answer any questions to any of the parents that really want to know what has been going on at the Whitmore, { especially Mrs. Joyce Harris}
but obviously ur kids do not feel that doing what is best for not only themselves but the others there along with mark and cheryl is coming forth and speaking up for what THEY KNOW is the truth and the difference between LOYALTY and the people who really DO care for you and love you!!!!
your children have sadly been manipulated and brain washed to the point where they are only hiding the truth because they are too afraid to come forth...However i wasn't.
Over the course of my months at the Whitmore i had enjoyed a lot of good memories and trips, but only at the beginning of my stay there did i think that the daily sleep deprived schedule, verbal abuse, ***emotional abuse***, crazy a group sessions that always last until atleast 12 am.....ending with only about 4 or 5 to 6 hours of sleep every night ....if not that... I tryed my best to overlook these problems like veryone else did... but in my third- fourth month there i began to really see the "real" idea of the whole place. It makes me cry to think back on all the good memories i had with the group and for them to now think that i have qoute on qoute " betrayed' them..... I am sorry you all feel this way. And i don't hate Mark, Cheryl, the kids, or anyone at the Whitmore for what they have done in the past, to the animals, etc..... I ONLY PITY THEM. I feel sorry for the fact of the matter of how
such a twisted, brain washed, idea of what "love" and friendships really mean there have brought about all this trauma.
I have always been taught to take a stand for what i believe in and that November night i finally did. When the police drove me, casie, and LiTTLE zITA{ WHOM I MISS VERY MUCH AND PRAY FOR HER EVERY DAY} aS WE WALKED INTO THE POLICE station i remember Casie saying quietly...' Now don't say anything dum you guys" translation....." Now don't tell what really happened"....in my mind i thought " ok ...so i have to tell a lie to save mark and cheryl's butts for all the pain they have caused to me and the others kids as well as the animals!!!!!"....but i just kept silent and once i was under questioning i let all the beans out...
I answered every question they asked me by the honest truth..... and how i had been holding it all in for soooo long! I crIed and was happy not because i was going home, but because for once ion my life i had TAKEN A STAND AND FOUGHT FOR WHAT I BELIEVED WAS RIGHT.....
Faith and fear don't mix so if you believe that what u believe in is the truth than why should you be afraid...... OBVIOUSLY THE WHITMORE WAS!!! i wasn't afraid at all in that police bldg cause i knew that i was atlast safe... i was afraid around the group to mmention it to mark or cheryl cause i know that something bad would happen....
Just to let all the paretns know Mark and Cheryl are good people i believe in my heart, just that the reason why this is not an issue for some of the paretns is because they are failing to realize that Just because Mark and Cheryl "act" as the wonderful people they seem to be they sugar coat almost everything, lie to authority, you paretns!!!!, and dish out love but more hurt!! They make Nephi out to look like "Lolly pop" land and there little mansion a "step ford" wive's home.
I have witnessed her cussing crudely to myself and all the others, but Mark always just sat back and never really said anything. Cheryl cussed like a sailor, she made very racist comments to my friend Zita and Eddie,......{ but hey it's ok right cause we're a fmaily and everything is zippity ok dippidy fricxken dooo!!!" She had groups tills two in the morning sometimes. Sleep deprivation, poor food condition, and tons of nasty mice were in the walls.
I still laugh that i couldn't flush my own damn tp.....sick b'z!! Cheryl i hope you read this...this is the real me.....ha! now what can you do....... GATHER AND cry to ur "family"... all ur 40 "kids" that you just "love" so much in the group room.....wait! don't forget ur license!!!! haaaaaa! hold up...you aint got one. just one for phycoticness....... I am sorry i ever met you and mark, but AT THE SAME TIME SO FRICKEN GREATFUL THAT NOW I AM HOME AND progressing in a safe , healthier enviornment!!!!
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Hi Everyone,
I am now at home for Christmas, and have turned 18. First off, I want to say that Erica you are the biggest baby I've ever met. You DONT know what a real program is. I wish you could experience WWASP, then you'd understand what a program is.. so stop bitching, I hate whiny brats like you. I'm sorry to everyone else that has to read this, but I have had problems with this girl for a very long time, even before everyone found out who she really was. I wish that you could experience one of my days at AIR. Maybe then you'd understand what a real program is.
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Just for your info, cussing like a sailor means cussing a lot. You know, like you.
Why don't you ask your mummy dearest how bad you cuss? I'm sure she knows with how bad you still treat your family after seeking help.
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On 2004-12-25 09:58:00, chrisgentile wrote:
I wish you could experience WWASP, then you'd understand what a program is.. so stop bitching,
Wow! That sounds remarkably like some people who tried to defend what happened at Abu Graib by pointing out that at least we didn't gas a whole town like Chemical Ali had.
So at least Whitmore is not as bad as WWASP? Is that our standard of conduct?
Being sleepy can impair someone's ability to do thier job. People
can sleep at home and come to the job with sleepiness still in their system. The sleepiness can still be there long after the employee has slept. When someone is found to be sleepy on the job, they can claim that they went to sleep the night before. The only solution to this problem is to ban employees from sleeping.
--Arthur Slabosky
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Chris, I appreciate that you are apparently grateful to this program for your "turn around". I know it must have been alot of hard work on your part so I hope you do not discredit your own self worth in the process.
My question is what is the nature of your being with the program now. I am assuming by your posts that you have completed the program? Are you still with them as an employee now or are you still in the program?
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Never mind Chris, I read the other list and figured it out. You are going back for a month then going to school.
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Just for your information Mark Sudweeks was a CO-Owner of the wwasp. so before you start talkin s++t know ur facts
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On 2005-01-28 18:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just for your information Mark Sudweeks was a CO-Owner of the wwasp. so before you start talkin s++t know ur facts"
Tell me more, please. How can I verify this?The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
Tacitus, Roman senator and historian (A.D. c.56- c.115)
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http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/documents/wwasplist.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/documents/wwasplist.pdf)
search for mark sudweeks, he co-owned New Hope Academy
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Poof!
I've asked Shelby what that's about.
On 2005-01-28 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/documents/wwasplist.pdf
search for mark sudweeks, he co-owned New Hope Academy"
Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Ok, I founda cached copy on Google
Don't know how long that will last.
Name: New Hope Academy
Opened On:
Closed On: Closed, children were abandoned (1999)
Location: Samoa
Physician:
Owners: Dan Wakefield, Mark Sudweeks, Steve Cartisano (This according to Dan Wakefield and documents from Department of State)
Notes:
I wonder what the DOS has?
Babylon in all its desolation is a sight not so awful as that of the human mind in ruins.
-- Scrope Davies: Letter to Thomas Raikes, May 25, 1835.
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Now that I think of it, the Sudweeks' story is that mean ol'e Cartisano scammed them somehow.
But how? How do you get ripped and named as an owner of a company by these people w/o having gotten into some pretty serious business relationships w/ them? For myself, I do not believe in any revelation. As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist
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hey this is chris formerly of whitmore.. and all i can say is wow this is news to me. actually i am shocked. i dont know what else to say about that other then me and him used to talk about ivy ridge all the time and he always said it was horrible how they treated kids.. hmm i dont know~chris
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Chris, I bet you Joey would tell you he experienced the same things that happened at WWASP, couldn't he? You are the whiny cry-baby if there ever was one. You are a pretty tough guy when it comes to 5 big guys against one 14 year old, aren't you?
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To Anon former student: I am proud that you were honest with the police. Thank you for your kind remarks about Zita, and thank you for your prayers for her. She like you too, and speaks fondly of you. She was too scared to tell the truth that night to the police, because she took the warnings from Cheryl and from the other students that "she better not tell the truth or ELSE, very seriously." She was very scared then, but she has told the whole truth now to the police. She knows what went on there was wrong. I know my 12 year old girl was called horrible names like a "Sand Nigger" by Cheryl Sudweeks, just because she is Hungarian. I know that Eddie was called a "Nigger" by Cheryl Sudweeks. You have nothing to feel bad about, and Cheryl never will, because she is too stupid to be sorry for hurting children with name-calling. And don't worry about being lied about either. I have been lied about, and it does not matter what people say when you yourself know it is not true. And, remember real friends do not say mean, hurtful things about you to make themselves look superior, and good. Chris does that to you, and you need to ask yourself why? And you need to ask yourself, is it really Chris typing these mean, evil things about you? SOMEONE else could be using his name to torment
you. So, don't take negative comments to, or about you, too seriously. You are admired, and sincerely cared about by many people. Take good care of yourself.
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joyce dont accuse me of doing anything to joey. i wasnt event there when that supposed incident occured.
i personally knew joey and you did not.
joey told his parents in advance that he was going to do this. you dont know the facts
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and this is not to defend whitmore, but to give you peace at mind... i personally never heard cheryl call zita a sandnigger. if i were her mother and i thought that was the case i'd be very offended.
to go on that, i want to mkae sure its known that i am not defending the whitmore in any shape or form nor do i promote programs of any kind.
All I can do is state what I know is true.
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Anon: I did not accuse you of anything because I do not know who you are. I do not know Joey, either. I do know that Joey was beat up by groups of teenage boys because Zita saw that on more than one occassion. I only stated that this is simimilar to what is reported about the WWASP programs, so Joey could easily identify with the WWASP programs, too.
I have no idea what Joey said to his parents, and I assume that you do not know what Joey said to his parents either. UNLESS, maybe you listened in on the telephone to his private converstations to his parents. How would you , whoever you are, know what Joey said to his parents? PLEASE do not tell me that you know anything because Cheryl Sudweeks told you, please.
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On 2005-02-01 12:15:00, Joyce Harris wrote:
I only stated that this is simimilar to what is reported about the WWASP programs, so Joey could easily identify with the WWASP programs, too.
I wouldn't try to speak for Joey or anyone else, but I would like to interject my opinion here.
From all I've read and heard, I believe the Whitmore is very diffent from WWASP in a lot of ways. But they're similar in profoundly important ways as well.
I think Whitmore is anchored on Mark and Cheryl's personalities where WWASP is anchored on a group identity w/o a clear cultive personality. There are "elders" and "clerics" and such, of course. But not an identifiable Chuck Dederich or David Koresh type figures.
It's almost anybody's guess which is worse. I know people who got wrecked on The Seed even when it was just a hippy love cult and others who came out of Newton's infamous Kids programs pretty impressively intact.
The more we all communicate about it, the better we'll all understand the whole deal.
Write on, folks!
He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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im sorry the anonymous thing might get confusing..
this is chris and i posted the last few msgs. no one can honestly say they know what did or didnt happen to joey unless they were there. You were not there, Zita was not there, I was not there. You saying i know joey was hit because zita said so is like me saying "Joey was never hit because Cheryl said so!" To be honest, we just dont know, and all we have is our opinions and what we've heard.
And as far as what joeys parents said... they wrote an open letter for the whitmore academy stating he had told them multiple times prior to and during his stay that he would say exactly what he said. they also said in their letter that he had done this in the past with them and another school. lets not be too quick to jump to conclusions, and please tell zita chris says hi :smile:
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I do not let my 12 year old daughter read or write on this site. But Zita knows that Joey was beaten, because she was there, and she was forced by Cheryl Sudweeks to particpate in hitting Joey herself. So, Chris---do not say that my daughter did not see Joey getting beaten up. I have enough respect for others who were with her beating this boy not to name them---but my daughter has told the truth, and yes Joey was beaten at Cheryl Sudweeks' direction. Zita is not responsible, because she knew if she did not obey Cheryl Sudweeks, she would have been beaten herself. 'It's just like Casie is not responsible for beating up Hannah and Camille--she did it at Cheryl Sudweeks' direction. That is how it works at Whitmore. Cheryl demands, and the kids obey. What is there about Cheryl Sudweeks behavior in this area that deserves any defense whatsoever?
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From this message it sure doesn't seem like you are in a healthier frame of mind now that you are home. Hope you can ask for and get the help you need back in your old environment. Sounds like you need to do some scripting to get back to the truth.
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What is "scripting?"
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On 2005-02-01 17:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
And as far as what joeys parents said... they wrote an open letter for the whitmore academy stating he had told them multiple times prior to and during his stay that he would say exactly what he said.
And we now know that all communications while a kid is at the Whitmore were monitored. Maybe that's where Cheryl got the idea. Do ya'll think she's capable of that level of malevolence?
But on a more practical level, how much sense would it make for a kid to do that? "Hey mom, not to worry, but one day soon I'm going to tell you a wild story that goes just like this..." and then expect her to believe it when he does? That just doesn't make sense, Chris. Are you suggesting that Joey and his parents are frelling idiots? How insulting!
In all fairness, though. I expect that you fully believe what you're saying is true. But I also suspect that you've never thought critically about it or really questioned it at all.
Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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On 2005-02-02 04:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From this message it sure doesn't seem like you are in a healthier frame of mind now that you are home. Hope you can ask for and get the help you need back in your old environment. Sounds like you need to do some scripting to get back to the truth.
Scripting??? What is scripting?I don't believe in Jesus.
--John Lennon, British songwriter and member of "The Beatles"
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Joyce,
I'm sorry, but I know for a fact that your daughter was asleep on the third floor when the supposed incident occured.
I know with no doubt in my mind... And I'm not trying to call her a liar, but isn't that what you called her prior to her leaving? You said she had personally made false accusations against you multiple times. The more I read how strongly your against this sort of thing + the few e-mails i've sent and recieved from you the more I doubt you'd ever hit Zita.. And to go on what I said about zita not being there... No girls were around, except for Casie, during the incident Joey claims. Zita obviously knows about the whole Joey situation justy by being at the whitmore, and doesnt need to see these forums to know anything.
I think I've pretty much got my point across as best I can, and I'm not gonig to post any more "defense" type posts. But if you have any questions I can probably answer anything
chris
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Hi Chris---I am not doubting your word about whatever "incident" you are referring to about when Zita may have been sleeping, and when Casie was the only girl present. BUT, concerning Joey, there were MANY incidents of abuse against this boy...and what Zita saw, and what Cheryl Sudweeks forced Zita to participate in are very very real, and very sad. I will not debate it with you, because most probably you were not there either. Zita says that she did say in a group session that I abused her...and she says she did that to "get attention." WHY" I have no idea. But the only person who has publicy said that I was reported 3 times to authorities in Texas for child abuse has been Cheryl Sudweeks, and that is a LIE. The person who publicly said I was fired from a teaching job for abusing Zita was Cheryl Sudweeks, and that is a LIE. I have not even worked since we adopted Zita, so I had no job to be fired FROM. The only people who LIED and said I threw Zita down the stairs at Whitmore and broke her fingers in the car door at Whitmore were posts directly from Cheryl Sudweeks" computer at Whitmore.
The Sudweeks are the only people responsible for any damage to Zita and my family.
So, I do not have any problem with you Chris.
I am sincerely happy that you are home, and going to college, and doing great.
We parents on this site appreciate you posting and sharing with us. It is the only way that we can gain some sense of what happened to our kids while they were at Whitmore---the good and the not so good.
Our communication with our kids was monitored by the Sudweeks while they were there. So, we do not even have a clear view of the daily life at Whitmore. All that STUFF on the website by you kids was all Cheryl approved junk to make us parents think that everything at Whitmore was JUST FINE ---when a lot of the times it was NOT FINE.
Every telephone call I had with Zita---either Mark or Cheryl was listening in. THAT IS WRONG.
Cheryl used my emails to Zita to humililate that little girl in group on more than one occassion, and that IS WRONG.
I would like to understand why?
Chris, I would like to talk to you. Please send me a private message if you would. I would like to call you, and I assure you, it will be a friendly call. Joyce
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Chris:
You say "You know for a FACT that my 12 year old daughter was asleep on the third floor...."
Now you tell me WHY and HOW you, who say you are 18 years old, would know anything about my little girl's sleeping habits?
What were you or any BOY doing anywhere near this little girl's bedroom during sleeping hours?
THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE SUDWEEKS...just what the heck is any male doing around my little girl's bedroom?
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Joyce please dont try and twist my words around... like i told you on the phone all of the girls with the exception of casie were upstairs and asleep, zita included.. ~ chris
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You don't have to lie to be as wise as a serpant. :smokin:
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Chris: I did not "Twist your words around." You said you knew for a FACT that my 12 year old daughter was asleep on the 3rd floor.
All I asked YOU...was how did YOU, an 18 year old youn MAN... know for a FACT what my little girl was doing in the privacy of her bedroom during the middle of the night in what you and the Sudweeks CLAIM is a "Christain-based Academic Boarding School that told me it had a policy of a 10PM bedtime."
Chris you state a lot of things you KNOW FOR A FACT...so if you state FACTS...you get to live with what you state.
If you want to back down on THIS FACT..then you need to back down on other FACTS YOU SAY YOU KNOW: like the FACT that Cheryl Sudweeks never orders kids to beat kids....or that Cheryl Sudweeks does not curse kids...or that Cheryl Sudweeks underfeeds the kids under her "care."
Chris you took on the job as "spokesperson" for the Sudweeks---why? Can't this grown woman speak for herself?
And: you do not need to speak for my daughter, she has more integrity than you and both Sudweeks could develop in the rest of your lives.
And you became the authority after only 6 months at Whitmore. How come you didn't need this fine program for a Full Year like the rest of the kids?