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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 08, 2005, 10:10:00 PM
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I just wanted to let everyone know that I spent almost 2 years in the program at Ivy Ridge. When I was home I addicted to cocaine, tried to kill myself and sold my body for drugs. THis all started when I was 13. Finally when I was 15 my parents just couldn't deal with the fact that one day I was going to leave the house and never come home again. They made a decision that saved my life. I don't know what I would have done without Ivy Ridge. The people there were so supportive of me and things I did. Was it alway easy, no! Did I always agree with what I had to do, no, but it saved my life. The program is one of the hardest things that I have ever had to do but it is the only thing in my whole entire life that I have completed. I learned so much and I will never forget my experience. I really wish that everyone would stop saying such bad things about a place that has only helped me and several other students who wanted the help. It obvious to me that the people that say bad things are the people that don't want to change and don't want to live a good life. Thank you Jason, Joe, Amy and everyone else who helped me. I love you and you will always be my family!
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So, when did you graduate? What year?
Timoclea
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don't try to set this girl up, Tim, for the kill. Not cute at all.
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Why is it I always hear about "how hard" a program/camp/wilderness whatever is, every time? Is somehow being difficult more than just being difficult?
Life is like a shit sandwich; the more bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat.
--Anonymous
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There are no quick fixes - that's what makes it hard.
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I've yet to understand why when people sell a program or something else they talk about how hard or not-easy it all is.
It has nothing to do with its efficacy of treatment, but it seems to be a good selling point for people looking for a "tough" thing to trap their children in.
I guess its a thinly veiled way of saying "I suffered"? Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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i graduayted from a skool called wwasps. wen i was 12 i was smoking crack and even was a hore! my mom sent me away to wwasps for 2 years! i dont know why all theez peeps cum on here sayin abuse hapend and junk- i havd a great time ! in fact, i wuold be ded or in jail by now if it werenot for them! i wanted to kill myslef so bad, but being locked up and told how much i suck for 2 years has relally helped! i want to be presidenzt of the united states of amerija when i grow up, and thanks to ivys ridge.. i can be if i wan to be!
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On 2005-06-08 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just wanted to let everyone know that I spent almost 2 years in the program at Ivy Ridge. When I was home I addicted to cocaine, tried to kill myself and sold my body for drugs. THis all started when I was 13. Finally when I was 15 my parents just couldn't deal with the fact that one day I was going to leave the house and never come home again. They made a decision that saved my life. I don't know what I would have done without Ivy Ridge. The people there were so supportive of me and things I did. Was it alway easy, no! Did I always agree with what I had to do, no, but it saved my life. The program is one of the hardest things that I have ever had to do but it is the only thing in my whole entire life that I have completed. I learned so much and I will never forget my experience. I really wish that everyone would stop saying such bad things about a place that has only helped me and several other students who wanted the help. It obvious to me that the people that say bad things are the people that don't want to change and don't want to live a good life. Thank you Jason, Joe, Amy and everyone else who helped me. I love you and you will always be my family!"
The same old bullshit. I was so messed up, the holy program saved me, I'd be deadorinjail without it... Did you ever stop and think why they program all the graduates into repeating that old phrase endlessly? Did you ever stop and think about what was done to you, about where the program is coming from, about the lack of therapeutic benefit in pretty much every part of the program?
It makes me so sad to see you like this. I hope you'll snap out of it eventually.
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On 2005-06-08 23:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i graduayted from a skool called wwasps. wen i was 12 i was smoking crack and even was a hore! my mom sent me away to wwasps for 2 years! i dont know why all theez peeps cum on here sayin abuse hapend and junk- i havd a great time ! in fact, i wuold be ded or in jail by now if it werenot for them! i wanted to kill myslef so bad, but being locked up and told how much i suck for 2 years has relally helped! i want to be presidenzt of the united states of amerija when i grow up, and thanks to ivys ridge.. i can be if i wan to be!"
Don't you think your command of English is too good for you ever to be elected president? :lol:
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I personally don't give a shit what you think about my story. It was real and happened to me. I am the same person I was when I went into the program but my view on my life is different now. So fuck you! What happened to you anyways that you are bitter towards the program. I am sure nothing, bet your just another winer who finally get there way when mommmy and daddy came and bailed you out.
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On 2005-06-09 03:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I personally don't give a shit what you think about my story. It was real and happened to me. I am the same person I was when I went into the program but my view on my life is different now. So fuck you! What happened to you anyways that you are bitter towards the program. I am sure nothing, bet your just another winer who finally get there way when mommmy and daddy came and bailed you out. "
It sounds like your underlying message is that YOU are the one that's upset your mommy and daddy did not come bail you out.
Wow I bet your parents and program staff take a lot of pride in the fact you shout "fuck you". Looks like the program wasn't completly effective with the job of making you pure and wholesome once again.
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On 2005-06-08 19:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"don't try to set this girl up, Tim, for the kill. Not cute at all."
Sign your post and come out and argue like a man--or like a woman.
This is *not* a setup.
I thought about giving my "five year" schpiel in my prior post, but I thought it would be presumptuous.
Who knows if this person has been out for fifteen years until we ask?
I thought about the "setup" factor and because of the person's obvious pain, figured if it was less than five, mentioning my "five year" rule for taking people's testimonials with a grain of salt *gently*---because this person is hurting.
I'm rarely mistaken for "cute"---it's not one of my goals in life.
Get over yourself.
I really do want to know how long this kid's been out. A week? A month? Two years? Ten?
I once knew a very nice lady, a wife and mother, who had, at a very dark point in her life, been a crack whore. I don't know this kid's whole story, but some details, while they may be program-exaggerated, are unlikely to be program planted. If you think for even one moment that I would verbally shred this vulnerable kid, then I can't help you.
(Assuming that this isn't some thirty-five year old guy in his mother's basement doing the internet thing---which you never can be sure of on the 'Net, but which I think unlikely in *this* case.)
Timoclea
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On 2005-06-09 03:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I personally don't give a shit what you think about my story. It was real and happened to me. I am the same person I was when I went into the program but my view on my life is different now. So fuck you! What happened to you anyways that you are bitter towards the program. I am sure nothing, bet your just another winer who finally get there way when mommmy and daddy came and bailed you out. "
what happened in there that changed your view on life? also, what was your view on life before you went in, and what is it now?
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Again, for real, and I promise I won't "bite"---when did you graduate?
I'm really sorry you're catching some hostility right off the bat. Some of the survivors are still, understandably, pretty emotional about what they went through.
If you aren't comfortable thinking of other Ivy Ridge people as traumatized survivors---then realize there are other facilities you've never been in, many of which got shut down because the government really did catch them doing some really bad stuff.
Many of the people here were in some of those---like "Straight"---which was pretty clearly pretty bad.
Even if *you* had a helpful experience, please don't presume that others that went someplace you've never been and never heard of didn't end up someplace very, very bad and very harmful.
Maybe Ivy Ridge isn't one of the bad places--I've never been there, so I can form an opinion, but I can never know for sure.
But it's plain fact that some places are really bad---kids have *died* in them, and facility personnel convicted in their deaths and sent to jail.
Some of the survivors here have strong feelings because they were in very bad places. Please don't judge them out of your own pain. But I'm also sorry you're catching some of their pain in sarcasm and hostility.
This is the internet---there's always at least one person whose hot buttons get hit and who lashes out.
Sometimes, rarely, I'm the one who loses my temper and that person is me. But not today.
So, what year did you graduate?
Timoclea
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On 2005-06-08 22:11:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"I've yet to understand why when people sell a program or something else they talk about how hard or not-easy it all is.
Oh, I do. There are a lot of reasons, really, but here are a few. First, they're selling something. So what do the prospective customers (troubled parents) want to hear? In this country w/ such a strong tradition in puritanism, there has to be an element of punishment. "If it burns it's working", "no pain no gain".
Another reason is to help discredit those who speak out against the abuse. Here's one kid trying to explain the subtle progressive mindfuck as it occured to and around them, then there's this other kid saying "Yeah, it was hard, but I took my medicine!" That totally discredits the original wittness.
Not that the second one is more credible. In fact most ppl who read these discussions who really don't have a dog in the fight find the program apologists a bit creepy. But they don't matter, they're not prospects. It's just what the troubled parents want to hear, so they can easily overlook the creepiness cause there's something in it for them if they do.
It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson
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I really wish that everyone would stop saying such bad things about a place that has only helped me and several other students who wanted the help. It obvious to me that the people that say bad things are the people that don't want to change and don't want to live a good life."
Keep wishing... :skull: Any way you cut it, to the audience here you look like an idiot, and thus, will be treated as one.
Have a wonderful day. :wave:
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no fucking joke, the first 2 months after the 'gram i was so brainwashed i thought it helped too, but since 12-15-03 when i got home, i'm still bitching and screaming about why i had to be there to begin with...and i was there for only 3 months, i dont know how some people did it. WHY DO SOMETHING THAT WILL ONLY HELP IF YOU CHANGE? change yourself and do it without the abuse, and emotional stress of being away from the only people that can really help you, your loved ones and YOURSELF! fuck the program.
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On 2005-06-08 23:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i graduayted from a skool called wwasps. wen i was 12 i was smoking crack and even was a hore! my mom sent me away to wwasps for 2 years! i dont know why all theez peeps cum on here sayin abuse hapend and junk- i havd a great time ! in fact, i wuold be ded or in jail by now if it werenot for them! i wanted to kill myslef so bad, but being locked up and told how much i suck for 2 years has relally helped! i want to be presidenzt of the united states of amerija when i grow up, and thanks to ivys ridge.. i can be if i wan to be!"
Typical WWASP poster-child.
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Prostitution + cocaine addiction at 13? Those sound like serious problems.
Where are you from and do you think your parents had "problems" or "issues" that may have contributed to your juvenile delinquency?
Maybe you just needed a change of environment to clear your head.
Attempting suicide is quite serious, and anyone who does such a thing should receive medical evaluation and treatment by proper professionals. Ivy Ridge seems to promote itself as being a school, not a medical treatment facility. Did you receive professional therapy there? or see a psychiatrist?
The fact is that most kids who get sent to places like Ivy Ridge and Provo Canyon School were never really in danger of being "deadorinjail", or even institutionalized. -
My parents enrolled me in Provo Canyon School only after our local psychiatric hospitals refused to admit me as an inpatient- 3 different times! I was not suicidal, nor homicidal, nor in a state of psychosis.
The doctors in the admissions office recommended therapy for all involved. After a few months, when our therapist suggested that my parents should take SOME responsibility for the drama at home, well, my parents had had just about enough of her!
They found out about Provo Canyon School from a very sick man- Dr. Richard Schwartz (formerly of Virginia Straight).
Provo Canyon admitted me- no questions asked.
At PCS, everyone asks you "Why are you here?". I would always say "Family problems". Now I understand why this answer evoked such puzzled looks from all who asked.
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Perhaps you are changing and if so that is good news. What were the issues your parents had with you? What happened? Something big must have been happening for them to send you to Ivy Ridge. So, what happened before the program... tell us all what led up to it.
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On 2005-10-10 07:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Perhaps you are changing and if so that is good news. What were the issues your parents had with you? What happened? Something big must have been happening for them to send you to Ivy Ridge. So, what happened before the program... tell us all what led up to it."
More importantly, please enlighten us as to your experience with Ivy Ridge.
Recently Ivy Ridge was investigated and found to be issuing fraudulent NYS diplomas. They were ordered to repay over $1 million in tuition and pay steep fines for their commission of fraud.
There have been serious allegations of abuse there and staff have been arrested and fired for abusing children under the guise of "therapy."
What happened to you when you were there?
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