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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Kathy on December 30, 2001, 03:08:00 PM
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Do you think the SEED is still open? If so, who is running it now?
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Oh, I know it's still open. Bill and I took a ride down there not too long ago. And, more recently, The Seed just made a contribution to some charity or other.
Check recent (and old) news on Art Barker
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where did you here he retired? I would be interested in that..
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Check the link to "recent (and older) news on Art Barker" in my last message. Kathy turned those up. In fact, Kathy's probably turned up the bulk of what's in there.
I just stuffed them in the archive. Any time you get an itch to go searching around, just send the goodies my way. It takes under a minute to add a new file to the archive.
(I guess I should make the links a little bit more noticable then?)
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Ok, I read the news artice. 50 grand to
make a wish foundation upon the retirement of Art Barker in December, 2001. I bet most people dont realize two things: 1) Art was still running the Seed 2 freaken weeks ago!
2) that much money is floating around to make donations with.
Amazing.
I will find out whom is running the thing now, but I will bet anyone a nickel that it is Libby or Suzi. Any takers? Bizzare? you bet.
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Or that it's basically all generated on slave labour.
I dunno about what's going on there lately. But I ran into a couple of Seedlings around `88 or so. They were mid 20's, identical haircuts, vacant grins and Seed T-shirts. I told them my name and said "Say hi to Art for me." They looked at eachother like I'd threatened to kill them or something then RAN out the door of the doughnut shop with their 3 dozen doughnuts. I assume they're still the same.
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$50,000 in November 2001 to Make-A-Wish Foundation...
$100,000 in September 2001 to Habitat for Humanity...
Wow...
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Check this out - another 50,000 and it claims the program is retired as well.
http://www.caninecompanions.org/regions ... orida.html (http://www.caninecompanions.org/regions/southeast/southeast_florida.html)
This is the former web. Can any one say if that was the last know seed site ?
Phone is disconnected.
http://www.the-seed.org/abt_seed.htm (http://www.the-seed.org/abt_seed.htm)
JimD
[email protected]
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WOW! Great Find! Is it that he's getting old, (VERY!) and nervous?--is he trying to buy his way into heaven?
Wow, to think that this decrepid (sp?)little old man started all this trouble! Who'd of thunk it by just lookin' at him.
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I just found about about another Synanon spin off in the Miami area around the late `70's. The place was called Operation Reentry.
I don't really look at Art as having started anything. I think Chuck Dederich and Jim Jones were probably the pioneers in brainwashing as therapy. But they would have been nowhere and Art, Joe Ricci et al would never have been in business if it hadn't been for NIDA funding, lobbying and general protection and promotion.
Art was always a very spooky little man. Libbi and Shelly too. They probably still believe they're some kind of messianic trinity.
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No, you gotta give credit where credit is due. Art pioneered the synanon concept for non addicted youthfull drug experimenters, and was direct inspiration for the straight. Most of the other synanon's never had the far reaching power that the Seed and then the straight seemed to garner.
As far as Art, libbi, and shelly being spooky, hell ya, just look at that picture, but I no longer feared them once I broke away from my father. He yielded the power to put me there, and when I took that away from him, Art & co became powerless. Ken is right, I should have thrown his ass in the pool.
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I didn't realize that these people you spoke of (Lybbi and shelly) were also in the picture. Who are they in relation to Art. I see that Shelly has the same last name, she looks like maybe she's a daughter?? and the other one looks like maybe his wife??? I dunno, explain please... this isn't the first time I've heard theses names pop up along side of Art's name.
Anybody know why he would have shut down the place instead of passing it on to one of his prodigies??
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Well, as you can tell, Shelly is a bit younger than Art. I believe she was in the program and married Art. When I was in the Seed, Libbi was Libbi McDonald, and she was senior staff of the St Pete Seed. She seemed to run the place, but no one really knew as Art Flew in weekly. Somewhere in there, she was adopted by Art and Shelly and became Libbi Barker. She now goes by Libbi Barker Kienzle, as she has been married to another seedling for some 20 years. I was contacted by his sister last year to try to get him to call home. Seems he has cut all ties with his family also.
So actually, Shelly is his wife, and Libbi is their "Daughter".
Apparantly, they are still one big happy family.
Clear it up?
I think this little essay best described the difference between the seed and the straight. The straight was a cult like place. The seed, an actual cult.
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Ok, now that is weird. Gross!! I haven't got anything else to say... I've got to go pick my jaw up off of the ground...
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Yuck!!!!
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On the matter of a cult vs being like a cult. I remember the Lawyers saying that after KIDS essentially ceased to exist as a "treatment program" it remained as a cult that still exists. So, deprived of their key source of income ( the abusive therapy con-job) the programs do end up surviving as cults, albeit small ones.
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I just found about about another Synanon spin off in the Miami area around the late `70's. The place was called Operation Reentry.
I don't really look at Art as having started anything. I think Chuck Dederich and Jim Jones were probably the pioneers in brainwashing as therapy. But they would have been nowhere and Art, Joe Ricci et al would never have been in business if it hadn't been for NIDA funding, lobbying and general protection and promotion.
Art was always a very spooky little man. Libbi and Shelly too. They probably still believe they're some kind of messianic trinity.
Hello, anybody still watching this thread? I know about Operation Reentry! I was there, and was just thinking about it today, and found this as one of the top results!
"OR", as we used to call it, was originally run by a nut named Warren Klein... I think I remember some old stuff about the "Seed", but the stories I heard of it sounded evil, or at least suspicious. But I loved it, especially after the change in management. I went there for the 7th grade, right there on Miami Beach, and I guess I could tell as many bad stories as good ones, but in the end, they got shut down when the city stopped all support. We tried to fight it, but it did not work.
I remember several people from there, though, that I've always wondered where they went... Could you be one? :)
--JJ
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Nope. But, what were the names of the people in charge?
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Wait the seed was still operating pass the year 2000!??!
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What about Art Barker's stand-up comedy?
What was his material like?
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What about Art Barker's stand-up comedy?
What was his material like?
Not a big fan, but he did have one joke that was kinda funny.
It went something like this:
Q. How many Seedlings does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. One to screw it in, the other 39,999 to sodomize and incestualize each other; pissing, scatting, rusty trumpeting, dirty sanchezing, flute slurpeling, pussy scatting, cocksmoking, cumming, kicking, confronting, marathoning, felating, puking violently, punching, spitting, felching, farting and just generally hurting one another while the one poor fucker tries to get the lightbulb in. The paid staff has to get involved in all of this while the one seedling is screwing in the lightbulb.
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You know, I haven't read this in a while...but it is kind of funny!
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Dang, that's funny as hell. :lol:
Maybe its just me, but it gets funnier every time I read it!
::hey:: ::hey:: ::hey::
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Q. How many Seedlings does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. One to screw it in, the other 39,999 to sodomize and incestualize each other; pissing, scatting, rusty trumpeting, dirty sanchezing, flute slurpeling, pussy scatting, cocksmoking, cumming, kicking, confronting, marathoning, felating, puking violently, punching, spitting, felching, farting and just generally hurting one another while the one poor fucker tries to get the lightbulb in. The paid staff has to get involved in all of this while the one seedling is screwing in the lightbulb.
:karma:
It's been a while since I saw this, but this is still funny. Think about that poor bastard screwing in the light bulb amid all this hubub and dismay. Poor bastard.
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I just found about about another Synanon spin off in the Miami area around the late `70's. The place was called Operation Reentry.
Hello, anybody still watching this thread? I know about Operation Reentry! I was there, and was just thinking about it today, and found this as one of the top results!
"OR", as we used to call it, was originally run by a nut named Warren Klein... I think I remember some old stuff about the "Seed", but the stories I heard of it sounded evil, or at least suspicious. But I loved it, especially after the change in management. I went there for the 7th grade, right there on Miami Beach, and I guess I could tell as many bad stories as good ones, but in the end, they got shut down when the city stopped all support. We tried to fight it, but it did not work.
I remember several people from there, though, that I've always wondered where they went... Could you be one? :)
--JJ
Hello! I am one!
Was there in April of 1978 to August of 1978. I hang with a few people who were there then.....
Matter of fact...one of them spoke today at an NA meeting this morning...brought back some memories...hence the reason i was googling it. I didn't even DO drugs or ever had a drink at that time...was just a discipline problem...but that place screwed me up in a major way. I am glad it got shut down. The way they treated people was no way to help anyone...
Just my 2 cents worth
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Shelly was Arts wife there is about 20-25 yrs between them. Wow when somebody brought up a Kienzle as being Libbys husband I was shocked i knew a couple of Kienzle kids when i was there 78-81 they were from St. Pete. I wonder if it's one of those guys / They were major buckwheats.
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I understand one Kienzle is dead, the other married Libby;
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Sorry to hear about the Kienzles, I liked them both. One stayed at my apartment for a while and one was my brothers oldcomer. I miss the friends I made there in Florida and the guys I came down from Cleveland with, i never had anything more to do with them after they closed my apatment and left the State. Except Alex P. we went to school on the same campus and stayed in touch for a couple of years. Funny I was thinking of a guy I went to Florida with any was polking around on the web when I saw that picture about Art retiring and there he was John Perlof, i guess I don't have to wonder what happened to him.
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Sorry to hear about the Kienzles, I liked them both. One stayed at my apartment for a while and one was my brothers oldcomer. I miss the friends I made there in Florida and the guys I came down from Cleveland with, i never had anything more to do with them after they closed my apatment and left the State. Except Alex P. we went to school on the same campus and stayed in touch for a couple of years. Funny I was thinking of a guy I went to Florida with any was polking around on the web when I saw that picture about Art retiring and there he was John Perlof, i guess I don't have to wonder what happened to him.
I knew Alex in Cleveland - do you know what happened to him/ where he ended up? he was a good guy - i have wondered a few times over the years what happened to him. I stayed at his house on weekends to the seed on many occasions in cleveland.
John was involved in the seed for many years, not sure if he was until it closed, but if not, he was still involved almost up to that point.