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The Seed Discussion Forum / Fresh blood
« on: January 27, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
I agree with Cleveland. The seed I moved down to Ft Lauderdale to join in '82 was very different than the Seed I graduated from in '78. I went down there in '82  hoping to work construction (I thought all the guys in those days worked construction) and live in the houses. Well, when I arrived I was expecting to see a few hundred graduates like I had seen before. Instead, there were maybe 80. Most of the construction guys had moved along and I was told I would have to come into the Seed everyday. This really threw me because I didn't like the raps. I was told that now all oldtimers are basically always on their program as a way of life. It wasn't long before I was called ino tthe backoffice, not the last time either and told to either change my attitude or get my stuff together and they would drop me off at the airport. At that point Something inside of me told me they (staff) were full of shit and I thought "hey, you told me I could come down here and live as a graduate and now you're saying I can't". I thought "I'll show em". So, I decided to play the game and when I thought that the Seed loved me as much they ever did or could, "I'll leave". For whatever reason I wasn't gonna have them kick me out.
This took about 3 yrs. But, when I was driving my old oldsmobile up the road north, the day I left. I was never happier.

God bless Art!

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The Seed Discussion Forum / I was in the Cleveland Seed and went to Florida when it clos
« on: January 24, 2005, 09:24:00 AM »
Because I lived with a senior staff member Bob W., at that time the only senior guys staff member, I witnessed alot of crazy shit. Once, there was a situation involving Ray K. If anyone remembers the Kienzle bros? Anyways He and Laura, a former chicks staff member were having a relationship that was not condoned by Art or the Seed. If anyone remembers this story please add  some other thoughts. I remember this relationship went on for several months behind everyone's back.

Eventually, thay were caught and Laura was asked to either admit to her lie and, I'm not real clear on what they wanted her to do, either start on the front row again or just admit to the group her backstabbing, because that was how they(art and staff viewed this).
All I know is we never saw Laura again. Ray, came into the group for a few weeks and just sat and was never called on.
Eventually, he left one day after meeting with Lybbi and never came back.
Sometime passed and they were rumors that he was out to "get" the Seed. One night Bob W. received a call at his house, where about 4 of us lived,  that Ray K. Had painted graffitti all over bridges and trees and stuff in and around Art's very nice neighborhood that was near the intercoastal.
We had to get buckets, kerosine and brushes and scrub all this stuff off of walls and trees and other stuff near Art's house that Ray had spray painted messages about Art and the Seed. This stuff was pretty sick stuff about Art, like how he brainwashed and stuff. It was true though.

I remember being out there at 4:00 am, scrubbing palm trees with kerosine running down and burning my arms,  thinking what in the fuck am I doing this for. It wasn't long after that I started to really think about what I was doing down there and why? My time as a worker bee, doing that kind of stuff was getting pretty old by then. This was around '84-'85.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / I was in the Cleveland Seed and went to Florida when it clos
« on: January 21, 2005, 06:34:00 PM »
I came into the Cleveland Seed in Oct of '78. I had done a little pot, but mostly I committed juvenile pranks like breaking into my girlfriends house, that kind of stuff. I had a choice of the Seed or Youth Commision. I choose the Seed, to my chagrin, today.
I turned 15 my second day there and the staff brought me a cake when my oldcomer came to pick me up that night. They didn't tell me it was from my Mom. Go Figure!

The Seed closed after I was there maybe 1 month. They came to me and said they wanted to take me to Ft Lauderdale to finish my program. They had spoken to my Mom and said that she wanted to take me out of the program. But, they wanted me to be apart of things and that they had my best interest at heart.

I was down there for another 2 mos and my Mom was calling like hell to have me graduated so I could come home. I remember Lybbi telling me my Mom was a bitch and she didn't really care about me.
To make a long story short I was graduated around Christmas of '78 and went home. By then I belived that my family were "assholes" as I was told by the staff. I came home shunned old friends, wore my Seed badge and shirt and waited until I could move back to Fl at 18.

I moved to the Ft Lauderdale Seed  from 1982-1985. During that time I saw the "cult" go from what I remembered being over a couple hundred members to about forty. Like another poster Cleveland, who I know, but will not say his name at this point, I lived with Bob W. and saw alot of the inner workings, but was never in the inner circle. I witnessed Art yelling at his wife shelly and calling her names that to this day I've never heard a man ever use that language in talking to his wife.(unbelievable)

I used to think at times what happened to Hank? or ?. Staff who had been there when I was on my program, but when I would ask Bob W., He'd look at me like don't ask that.

Well, I had thought of old Art the asshole the other day, and just by chance entered in his name in Google. What a great thing this forum is for us former Seedlings. When I saw John Perloff's picture, I had to laugh. I guess the assholes are now torturing dogs.I will have to send my brother the link, he went to school with him.

Anyways, I just wish that when my Mom had wanted to send me to a Columbus, Oh drug rehab after 30 days at the Seed, I would have agreed. If only life gave you do overs.

Wtaylorg

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