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News Items / Re: A boy escaped from a wilderness program in Utah
« on: March 20, 2014, 10:18:54 PM »
...she sent her kid to Utah and then expected the state to do something?

Does she even use the Internet?

The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Food issue at Diamond Ranch Academy
« on: March 08, 2014, 06:37:29 AM »
He had severe emotional and mental problems.

Poisoning everyone at DRA is a sensible act given the circumstances, so I'm not sure why he's still making this statement, although Andrew should have found something more toxic than dish cleaner.

Despite Flores’ suicide in April, school personnel appear to have no clear direction or protocol in dealing with troubled students.

But that's supposed to be all of them, isn't it?

These two are not eligible for the Pile as they weren't incarcerated there.

News Items / Re: Another Hell Hole
« on: February 13, 2014, 12:25:19 PM »
Hey webdiva, can you raise the sig length back up? I've got too many dead kids in this pile to fit Bruce Staeger into it.

(Edit: Yay, more room for dead kids!)

Aspen Education Group / Re: Dr. Phil / Island View lawsuit
« on: January 30, 2014, 10:22:28 PM »
Inevitable, like night following day.

120 days? Seriously?

Did it at least earn him a position on the sex offender registry?

News Items / Re: DHS confirms another child death at Diamond Ranch Academy
« on: November 04, 2013, 03:35:22 PM »
One more dead kid at DRA and it doesn't even make the news? There's not even a name to add to the Pile? (Not that I can update my sig anyway. There's too many dead kids to squeeze into 600 characters.)

Quote from: "DannyB II"
96% satisfaction rate....really.

That statistic is actually accurate.

What he's not saying is whose satisfaction it is.

You really think program parents are going to drive down to the desert in the middle of a heat wave and make themselves uncomfortable?

I'll just leave this here:

Quote from: "Dorit Beinisch, President of the Israeli Supreme Court"
Israel's basic legal principles hold that the right to use force in general, and the right to enforce criminal law by putting people behind bars in particular, is one of the most fundamental and one of the most invasive powers in the state's jurisdiction. Thus when the power to incarcerate is transferred to a private corporation whose purpose is making money, the act of depriving a person of his liberty loses much of its legitimacy. Because of this loss of legitimacy, the violation of the prisoner's right to liberty goes beyond the violation entailed in the incarceration itself. ... ael-1.3774

Quote from: "blombrowski"
Thanks for the fact check.  I was referring to specifically the kinds of circumstances found in the Aaron Bacon and Sergey Blauchstein deaths.  Deaths that could be directly attributed to program design in a "parent-choice" facility.  If we reduce the time frame to three years, the deaths listed are the function of "flukes" i.e. the traffic accident at Sunrise, or deaths in publicly funded group homes/rtcs i.e. Daystar, Leak & Watts.

The restraint deaths were all preventable, but can you just hear Whooter saying "well that's what you get with government funded residential".

There shouldn't be any such thing as a private-public partnership when it comes to incarcerating anyone, child or adult. The concept is an abdication of responsibility and leads directly to abuse and death. Giving someone's life over to a private entity should be banned by Constitutional amendment.

Even if you discount those, the Rose Rock facility, where Joseph Winters was killed, is entirely private. He did something they didn't like, they jumped on him, he struggled, and they killed him at once and deleted the video recording. Frankly I count him among the lucky ones; he never had to endure much of the program at all.

Quote from: "blombrowski"
3 1/2 years without a parent-choice industry program death.

Quote from: "blombrowski"
After watching him present, and also observing what his research interests are, and the fact that he has published other peer-reviewed articles, I don't doubt his sincerity or skill as a researcher.

Okay- I'll take your word for it. He's still missing the forest for the trees here, simply by the way he phrased it: "we observed ?ve external barriers to long-term, sustainable change"

Drugs and alcohol are always going to be widely available. These kids' fucked-up families are always going to be fucked up. Some men are always going to look for ways to take advantage of young women, untreated chemical mental illness requires medication, and medication issues need the attention of experienced psychopharmacologists. If any "treatment program" doesn't prepare the people it's "treating" for these influences, then it's fixed precisely nothing. For him to call these "external barriers" instead of the things that actual treatment would have taught them to deal with is simply intellectually dishonest. If "long-term, sustainable change" doesn't survive contact with the real world, it was neither long-term nor sustainable to begin with.

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