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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: probably many more cases than we'll ever hear about
« on: January 27, 2010, 08:47:17 AM »Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Gentlestormi_"Quote from: "Ursus"To my knowledge, Boys' Town has had at least five lawsuits brought against them in the last ten years for sexual abuse. Given the time lag involved in sexual abuse cases which also involve ideological imprinting, I'd say we're likely to see this pattern continue.Boy's Town began in 1917, so five sexual abuse cases out of 93 years is sad and five too many, no telling how many pedophiles hurt trusting children that have not spoken up.
I feel compelled to point out that sexual abuse litigation prior to the 1950s or 60s was rather infrequent, so your ratio of 5 cases/93 years is misleading to say the least. IMHO, with all due respect, all things considered, yada yada yada.
Good Morning Ursus,
Yes, I can agree that you have a gift of seeming to be living to be compelled to point out issues as you view them. This gift is something that you are using very well. I pray that your gift many never become a noose to survivors and victims. And that somehow it can allow the victims and survivors to feel empowered and not de-voiced.
I apologize again, Ursus, if my sharing of my feel on things somehow was personally experienced by you as misleading, and I apologize that I came across as misleading to you. I had voiced my feel of the issue by sharing that i thought even that small number of ratio was five too many and that no telling how many pedophiles hurt trusting children that have not spoken up. It is apparent to me that we agree on all these issues. Yet, somehow for some reason you are coming across and experienced by me as if you were attacking me, by your accusation that i am misleading or was misleading, whom am i misleading? How come you personally felt my words to be misleading? Have you experienced others in your life as misleading? If you reread what i wrote, do you not agree that five cases in 93 years of sexual abuse IS five too many? That is what i meant, even that small number if five too many for sexual abuse! Sexual abuse is so damaging and so assaultive to the persons spirit and soul! Believe me, I know. I also said that there are more victims than we know, please reread my statements. k? How we read people says more about ourselves than it does about them. I showed that even that small ratio is too many, and showed that there are more that have no voices spoken out. I do feel that you and i agree on that.
However, I do not feel that you and I agree on the idea that Flanagans programs are some of the best. When I say programs i define the program as separate from the personalities of workers in the programs. I applaud the programs of Boys Town from all that I have read on it, and not from any personal sense or need to. For some reason this seems to bother you. Sorry to disappoint you, but you wont find a perfect program out there, nor will you find any program ran by mankind on earth that can solve the problem of abandoned abused children. What you will find are gradations of some programs that help more than hurt. Flanagans to my personal opinion is one of the better programs that i have read about and heard about. It is my personal opinion and so far nothing you have shared has altered that opinion.
There may not have been a lot of litigation going on prior to the 40's but there was an increasing growing wave of awakening about sexual abuse in the early 20th century. Also, I had pointed out further that pedophilia and sexual molesters were increasing by 322% in the past years, showing my agreement that it is increasing.
Oddly, I can see we are in agreement on all these issues, but oddly, my experience of you is not one of a survivor to another survivor.
Ok, i knew i was going to get snagged into replying, lolol , and I have not yet even had my morning iced tea. ...lol..So....off i go to enjoy my tea and my day and week. I need to take a break from this site, its a bit too much like a tornado or black hole that can suck one into forces working on the forum and rob of life and time. lol
Have a good week Ursus
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Peace
GentleStormi
Roloff Cult Survivor
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