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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Antigen on April 26, 2004, 05:59:00 PM
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If you were ever on Vth Phase and up in Straight or a direct descendant program, please take a look at this and tell me what you think.
http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery ... index.html (http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/index.html)Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? ... If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
-- Patrick Henry
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and those damn ob's books we used to write in.
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What kind of place is this? Is it a "treatment" facility? I was looking on the web site and couldn't figure it out. My question was why such attention to the handwriting?
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On 2004-04-27 13:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What kind of place is this?
That's what I'd like to know. And suffering is not a badge of honor. Experiencing tyranny does not deserve a bow or a kiss. The honor is in removing the stumbling stone. The honor is in the impolite destruction of tyranny through honest, powerful dialogue - not etiquette. Not political correctness.
Maximus
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On 2004-04-27 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"and those damn ob's books we used to write in. "
Me too.The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir
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Me three...
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http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/ (http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/)
I don't go lookin' for trouble. I just keep a little in a box should someone come by who is.
--Bill Warbis
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:eek:
http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery ... index.html (http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/C1055423511/E867490393/index.html)
Schedule:
5:00-5:30- subliminals
5:30-5:45-rooms
5:45-6:15-jobs
Subliminals? What's that all about?Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.
--Thomas Jefferson
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check this description out:
http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery ... index.html (http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/C381614193/E313461246/index.html)
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On 2004-04-27 15:05:00, Antigen wrote:
Subliminals? What's that all about
They sound like the 'inspirational' tapes WWASP uses.
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God Damn! This is positively creepy stuff. Who are these aliens perfecting their emotional honesty?
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Program Babies.
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hmmm thats bizarre "I am a child of God"
cultish...not liking that too much. There is a shitload of those places too.
Residental treatment. And what's up with the Wizard of Oz theme in the mission statement.
Poor kidsIf once [the people] become inattentive to the public affairs,
you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors,
shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general
nature, in spite of individual exceptions.
Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, 1787
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Think thw Wizard of Oz reference is strange? Search on "Message to Garcia".
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys
--P.J. O'Rourke
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Um, yeah rehab sucks.I was, for all intent and purpose, raised in rehabs. Straight,Scenic Mountain Medical Center, Glenwood, Clearview, Culver youth home, LCCF, etc, etc
And that was before I developed a drug problem.
Why not get the treatment out of the way first eh?
All of these programs are strange in their own way...some more than others.
Oddly enough..one of my fondest memories was of a time in rehab..this was a rehab that had rooms to rival any hilton and offered librium and the like practically on request. Smoking was allowed, freezer full of ice cream,Co ed... ping pong tables.
The place was nice and I was finally away from my sick family.
For the most part,most treatment centers arent really abusive. Was I held against my will? Yes. But not abused. Im not talking about straight here..
Straight was the exception to the rule.But out of the 11 or so treatment centers I have been to..only Straight was abusive.
One thing that we did not have in te 70s and 80s was this glorious cornucopia of information we call the internet.
Now everyone can have a voice...in the 70s and 80s you had to rely on newspapers and Television..and whomever controlled them.
Perpetrators like Newton and the Semblers cannot operate in the dumb silence that once was.
It will be exposed...at light speed.
Had there been an internet starting in 1969 would synanon/seed/straight/safe been able to operate and develop under the public eye?
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[ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-04-29 05:59 ]
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Well I must be having cookie issues because whenever I try and look at the site, I'm put in some endless loop of links and I get no where.
What does the Garcia link say?
I didn't see a listing for the Board of Directors or the operators of this program either. Have any of you located any names?
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You went to 11 treatment centers? Eleven? Really and truly?
Did you go willingly? Or did your parents force you? Or were you court-ordered? Please help me to understand the thinking behind placing you in treatment on eleven different occasions?
:eek:
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On 2004-04-28 13:36:00, kaydeejaded wrote:
"And what's up with the Wizard of Oz theme in the mission statement."
Perhaps you are not supposed to look behind the curtain.
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Think thw Wizard of Oz reference is strange? Search on "Message to Garcia".
Well I must be having cookie issues because whenever I try and look at the site, I'm put in some endless loop of links and I get no where.
What does the Garcia link say?
You would never find Garcia! :lol: I think Ginger means this one:
http://http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/C1719912139/E1358059685/index.html
But when I was searching for it I found this in one of the "Searching for Garcia Reports":
http://http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/C1719912139/E1813901157/index.html
"It's been the first full week of school for the kids who are attending Landmark to graduate from school."
Would this be anything to do with Landmark Forum or am I just a little paranoid?
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http://http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/C532318770/E1646736366/index.html
"She hasn?t been feeling well for the past couple of days, but that doesn?t give her an excuse to just go to bed or lay down instead of doing her job."
Seems a pretty good reason to me.
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On 2004-04-29 07:58:00, Kiwi wrote:
You would never find Garcia! :lol: I think Ginger means this one:
http://http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/C1719912139/E1358059685/index.html
But when I was searching for it I found this in one of the "Searching for Garcia Reports":
http://http://homepage.mac.com/whoamidiscovery/weblog/iblog/B1919985813/C1719912139/E1813901157/index.html
Yup. Wasn't Garcia a Communist hero?
"It's been the first full week of school for the kids who are attending Landmark to graduate from school."
Would this be anything to do with Landmark Forum or am I just a little paranoid?"
Paranoid? No, I think the proper term is inquisitive.The legislature is to society as a physician is to the patient. If a physician ignored side effects of medications like today's legislators ignore the side effects of their legislation, the physician would be accused of malpractice. I accuse today's legislators (with rare exception) of legislative malpractice. Many of the ills that are so obvious in our society are a direct result of previous legislation. Their solution? More laws!
-- John A. Bennett, DO
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What are they doing there? popping acid and reading Marx to one another...that was almost jibberish..socialist propaganda ?????
That is the shit that gets you sent to rehab..or maybe I need more coffee. Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!
--Andi, domestic goddess
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You know on the mission statement or whatever, about the Wizard of Oz parallels.... that is just really really bizarre.
Did anyone ever hear that rumor about watching the Wizard of Oz on mute and listening to the Darkside of the Moon album??? I never did it, but I've been told by several people that it really works.
I definitely think someone's been tripping hard on that Dorothy shit!
"We are all like Dorothy, and the lion and the tin man."
"And Toto too?" asks Dorothy.
"Yes, and Toto too." replied the good witch Glenda.
blah blah blah :silly:
Sounds like a cult to me!
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The Wizard of Oz is a government pardy. The lion represents the democrates because they are chicken shit cowards. The tin man shows how the republicians are heartless cocksuckers. The scarecrow is the common American, a brainless fucking idiot. Dorthy is the American woman determained to find her way even though she has a bunch of jackasses tring to help her and some rippers tring to kill her. I don't remember all the other roles, but the story behind the true meaning of the wizard of Oz is out there somewhere.
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LOVES "A LETTER TO GARCIA" Very much molded his first term, or at least he'd like to think as such.
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I'm a democrat, but if JEB could be our next president, it wouild be fantastic! The combinaton of Condi Rice and JEB would put our country on the right track for sure.
PS - he is so darn cute too (teehee)
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Yeah the wizard of oz is to democracy what animal farm is to socialism...its nice that they have now turned these kids into the real life experimental wizard of oz huh? What are they shaping them to be model citizens or what? What is going on with all the handwriting references? (example: Joe is doing well on x,y and z but really needs to improve his handwriting) Can anyone figure out how this figures into "the plan?"
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Well, if that comment came from a qualified teacher and were kept in confidence, I wouldn't see anything wrong w/ it. Good handwriting can be a valuable skill and habit and I do wish I had tried harder at it early on before my poor handwriting had become so stubournly established.
What bothers me about these writings is that they seem to come from other (presumably troubled) teens receiving treatment at the same facility and, rather than being kept in confidence, they are published on the internet for all the world to see.
While no one can know the mind of another, I can't say that the reason for this has anything at all to do w/ humiliating the students or w/ keeping the level of scrutiny (and all the stress that attends) at a high level, I do have a hard time understanding the thinking of the adults in charge. Isn't it as obvious to them as it is to me that these consequences are pretty much inevitable? Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-- Albert Einstein
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Yes 11.
Thats how my parents raised me.. 2 were court ordered as an adult the rest were all adolescent..but yes 9 as an adolescent..
Why? Straight...is why...my mother was brainwashed..after my stint in straight she became one of the main al anon people and all that...she was really into step cult...but I broke her of that. She saw what a dismal failure it is. Too bad my family was destroyed along with my future and sense of worth.
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taken from students quote on that website....
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There was actually a time this week when the boys' house got an offer to get an hour bumped off the consequence of getting up late. All they had to do was listen to subliminals at night! Another time subliminals are played other than in the morning, is for affirmations in the afternoon. Of course everything needs to be checked off before these can be done! It is a repetition of the morning- lay down, close your eyes, and listen! /QUOTE
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QUOTE / Hopefully after last week's report, you'll want to know more in-depth things about our subliminals. What do they do and mean to us? Subliminals mean the differences between a good or bad day. They run the course of thousands of counterparts to thousands of negative thoughts. It's so important to want to have good thoughts and be single minded. Meaning we do not want to think one way and act another because if we do- we cannot be emotionally honest. /QUOTE
Sounds like they are falling into Mansons thrall.
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On 2004-04-29 13:31:00, Antigen wrote:
"What bothers me about these writings is that they seem to come from other (presumably troubled) teens receiving treatment at the same facility and, rather than being kept in confidence, they are published on the internet for all the world to see."
Most of the students have a "Private Site" which is, supposedly, password-protected but if you back out of the login screen it takes you straight in!
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Its so important to have good thoughts and be single minded???!!!!
If I had a teen child I would want them anything but single minded.
I would also want them to know that to feel unhappy, angry, depressed, and lonely ARE NORMAL EMOTIONS.
Its ok to feel this way, etc etc...
I honestly do not think I would have found myself walking this road Im walking...had I not been fed so much pseudo experimental psycho bullshit. It did nothing but alienate me and confuse me.
I want to be the poster boy for why step cults are bad. Yes, I know Im responsible for my actions. But I also know why I did heroin..I know exactly why..It wasnt just to get high, I was already doing that.. :cry2:
Those reasons I wont get into due to the fact that its personal...but I didnt just happen to become an Opiate addict..and I didnt just gateway into it. :roll:
The point is Im ucking mad as a hatter..and have ingherited mental problems, step cults, and Straight to thank for that.
Large doses of opiates were the only thing to make my mind shut the fuck up for a couple of hours.
Im tak9ing the next step now...I have been clean roughly two years this time..I feel the Methadone has served its purpose, its gotten me out of the routine and away from the dope..
Im ready to start my taper. Due to an unfortunate legal bind, I am forced to put my move off for an extra 2 or 3 months..thats just enough time to do a taper..well thats pushing it..
I just wish I had someone to help me thru it.
The worst part other than the physical pain is the emotional wretchedness you get. Like 2 years of bad feelings hit you at once...I cant explain it. Anyone thats been thru an opiate detox knows what Im referring to..and its a part of the brain going into overdrive..Street people call it "The crazies"
But alas I will have to do it alone...
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On 2004-04-29 14:23:00, Kiwi wrote:
Most of the students have a "Private Site" which is, supposedly, password-protected but if you back out of the login screen it takes you straight in!"
I know. I wrote to the webmaster about that. Haven't heard back. Looks to me asif most of the website work is done by young ppl using a piss poor authentication scheme. So I can easily forgive that as a technical oversight. And the one page I saw when I found the bug was nothing particularly sensitive, I don't think. But it's potentially a serious problem if these kids (and anyone else who has access to place info there) think it's protected when it's not.
I'm not too sure I like the way these ppl treat their charges. In my opinion, all the students represented on the website are on the higher phases. Nothing I could find looked like it came from the location in Mexico. I suspect this might be an abusive school, but I don't know that to be the case.
Regardless, whenever you find something left open or an exploitable weakness on the net, the decent thing to do is to let the sysadmin know. It's just the same as if you see someone walk away from their car leaving their keys hanging from the trunk.
Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
It is wrong to leave a stumbling block in the road once it has tripped you.
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Quote from http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cg ... ?read=1397 (http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/cgi-bin/discussforum.cgi?read=1397):
In a message on this board from Feb 2001, it was noted that the owners of Chilanko Lodge in BC Canada operating a teen crisis center,were charged with 29 counts of animal cruelty for leaving their 20+ horses and 8 dogs out all winter without adequate food or water. One horse had to be destroyed and health care amounted to $120,000 to restore the health of the other animals. Mark Sudweeks was convicted of 2 counts and fined a $4,000 fine and may not ever own animals in BC again. Cheryl Sudweeks' charges were dropped.
That is in Canada anyhow. Apparently he is still operating a teen center in Utah and Mexico and Chilanko is still listed as a center. Not sure if this place is open or not, but it certainly appears to be.
Their website; http: //www.whoamidiscovery.com/index.htm
CBC report, please view the real player video
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cg ... buse010227 (http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/02/27/animal_abuse010227)
SPCA press release:
http://www.spca.bc.ca/media/HorseCaseCo ... _Press.htm (http://www.spca.bc.ca/media/HorseCaseConvictionJuly222002_Press.htm)
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http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/documents/wwasplist.pdf (http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/documents/wwasplist.pdf)
search for mark sudweeks, he co-owned New Hope Academy
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This whole thing is freaking me out!!!!
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What is?
The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness.
-- John Muir
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The fact that they are allowed to take care of teenagers but they cant even feed their dogs and bring them in during WINTER UP NORTH!!!
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Here you go...taken from their web site..
"placement for the most oppositional kids"
http://64.71.146.119/articles/topics/ca ... grams.html (http://64.71.146.119/articles/topics/categories/programs/articles/programs.html)
They promote Elan, Tranquility bay, and some others..yah this place is evil..
Time to put the screws to them
You WILL Obey !
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One day, the strain
I've never felt like this before
Our lives capsized, one man will give back
Be calm my love Why don't you kneel for me?
I write for sight One day you'll find me
in the corner,more sublime,
But I still never died[ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-05-03 04:23 ]
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Paradise Cove
Vailaasia Beach, Aufaga,
Western Samoa
(800-637-0701)
High security program for boys in Western Samoa. This does an excellent job of turning really tough kids positive. :roll:
Someone needs to start a program for slack ass parents..
"Parents warehouse you in an abusive program? Dont get help, get even. For a reasonable fee (which can often be covered by selling your parents valuables) we will come to your house, acost Mom and Dad and beat them within an inch of their life."
Parent-Busters
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One day, the strain
I've never felt like this before
Our lives capsized, one man will give back
Be calm my love Why don't you kneel for me?
I write for sight One day you'll find me
in the corner,more sublime,
But I still never died[ This Message was edited by: Triumvirate on 2004-05-03 04:32 ]
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On 2004-05-03 04:22:00, Triumvirate wrote:
"Here you go...taken from their web site..
"placement for the most oppositional kids"
http://64.71.146.119/articles/topics/ca ... grams.html (http://64.71.146.119/articles/topics/categories/programs/articles/programs.html)
Well, I dont think that is the owner's webpage, just a website that seems to endorse those sorts of facilities. What is intersting is that the owner of who am i discovery, mark sudweeks, was also a co-owner of a wwasp facility. He probably runs his treatment centers in a similar way I am guessing?? Plus he abuses his horses. Not really good signs for this place.
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Hey i have some stories about this place to swap. I want to know more about what you posted, talk to me on aim and i would like to know your name. my screen name is halolegend33569.
"...In general, it's just an overall sign in America that there doesn't seem to be as much respect for authority figures, and that's a bad trend. It just strikes me that people can say whatever they want to and get away with it, and that's not good."
--But David Murrell, exec. dir. of the Florida Police Benevolent Association