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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 05:42:00 PM »
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It's the money, stupid.



You are doing a dis-service to parents and teens by insisting the teen help industry is in the business, first and foremost, of helping teens.



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Knock.Knock Hello:
Give me a list of industries that are not in it for the money !!!!  Churchs,Schools even public school try to boast there income by raising taxes so they can attract richer people to move into their community so the teachers can get a raise.  The head of the American Red Cross doesnt get paid $8/ hour.  
Think about what you are saying !!!
Are you willing to work for free, If you had a solution to help these teens and put food on your table and a nice income and provide for you family wouldnt you do it.  Would you hold the kids in your school higher than your own families wealfare?  Think about it !!!!!!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 05:00:00 PM »
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Admissions Reps have QUOTAS to fill.  Heads to put in the beds.  Hoods to put in the woods.  You are kidding yourself if you think your child is anything but a meal-ticket for these program owners and operators.  Check out their fancy homes, cars, boats and vacation condos .... then ask yourself if your KID IS FOR SALE????



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The way you judge schools is a little screwy, I suggest the parents look at the curriculum and talk to students/parents who have graduated or completed the programs before sending any child there.
The director or our local YMCA has a nice house and a boat but it doesnt mean he abuses the kids or we are selling them to the local YMCA.  The YMCA has quotas too.  Would you feel any better about sending your kid to a school where the owners had to work second shifts at Walmart to bring food home for the kiddies or have the dorms painted.  If people want to pay that much let them, I dont think it adds to or detracts from the program.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 01:57:00 PM »
I agree too,  plus we dont have to waste all this time trying to shut down all the TEEN HELP schools because all the kids being raised now are going to have parents that are so much more aware or their childrens' needs that the Schools will go out of business becuase they wont be needed.  If everyone is correct we should start seeing a downturn in enrollment any time now.

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Thayer Learning Center / My Son At Thayer
« on: September 27, 2005, 01:32:00 PM »
I guess my point is more comparative data is needed.  To say someone died from neglect at a TBS has no substance !!! A lot of people care but what should be done?  What is the cause?  The counselor, the school?  Is this an isolated case?  How about the football coach who sends a slow halfback around the track one more time in 90 degree heat and he dies.  Is 1 too many?  Should we shut the football programs down?  Close the schools?  What we should be looking at is how many kids are dieing at TBS vs high schools or kids that run away and end up dead.  How many kids will die if the parents/system sit back and do nothing?

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Elan School / How is using foul language thereputic?
« on: September 27, 2005, 01:20:00 PM »
I understand completely, when my daughter came home her language was really bad and it was hard to take.  After a few arguments with her about it I began to realize that this was small in Comparison to what lead her to be placed in a TBS in the first place.  She was doing well, going to school, working and found a new group of friends.  The language still bothers me, but I Secretly smile when I see how far she has come and how happy she is.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 12:49:00 PM »
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"One of the recurrent "themes" I see struggling parents using is " CAN'T BE A BAD PARENT, LOOK HOW WELL BEHAVED (SUCCESSFUL) MY OTHER KIDS ARE".

Again, this is just sick, sick, sick.

Shame on these parents.  


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Its obvious from all these post that the KIDS arent the problem at all, it is clearly the PARENTS Fault, but wait, who taught the PARENTS???
The GRANDPARENTS !!!!  Lets blame them.  That way the kids can feel good blaming someone else and the parents can feel good by blaming someone else too.  That way no one has to be accountable!!!!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 01:04:00 AM »
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Here we go again, the poor-woes-me parent making excuses for paying a couple of big, burly strangers to show their adult-size kid who's boss.



Wow, must be a thrill to watch your kid get taken down and hauled off into the middle of the night, bound for some lock-down program hundreds of miles away.



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Again -- Why does it matter so much if it is a couple of big, burly parents, with weight problems showing their adult-size kid whos boss, or someone you hire, who cares?  
The whole point is moving the child from point A to point B.  I am sure there are people that enjoy watching this happen, there are all kinds of sickos out there believe me.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 12:52:00 AM »
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Yeah, but you would put your kid in a TEEN HELP kinda program, now wouldn't ya?  LOL ... beware of teen helpers with a "calling" to help kids. It's not your kid they are interested in.  It's your bank account.



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Yes the word HELP is good, SELF HELP, TEEN HELP.  Every program should be checked out, talk to people who have been there etc.  If its a SELF HELP book, ask people who have read it.
Always remember,whether its a car dealer, or a drug dealer they wont offer information on how many times its been stepped on, they are only interested in YOUR MONEY.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 12:44:00 AM »
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 The only reason this can be done at all is because the victim is a minor and lacks legal protection. Do this to an adult and it is a serious crime. Yet, I am certain that there are as many 'at risk' adults as there are teenagers. The only reason these programs don't exist for adults is because they can't force adults into them.




Exactly -- An "at risk" child can be forced to receive services to protect the child from making poor choices.  Once you become an adult you are responsible for yourself.  There are services for adults but most people (and kids) dont recongnize they are at risk, there needs to be an intervention of some sort to get adults help and even at that level they have to sign themselve in.  So if no one goes to adult programs they become fewer and fewer until there are very few left.  The only reason why so many programs exist for children is because the parents have the authority to ensure that their children get the help they need.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 12:32:00 AM »
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All TEEN HURT programs are bad, this is true.



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I agree, any program with the word HURT in it cant be good, TEEN HURT, PEOPLE HURT, DOG HURT, Would never do it.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 12:26:00 AM »
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Uh .... maybe the parent could escort their own child to the private prison (emotional growth school) instead of hiring a couple of over-weight cops and/or moonlighting probation officers to do THEIR DIRTY WORK FOR THEM.



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Uh... It might be that the child can overcome the restraint of the parent, could be a single parent household (90lb mom, 200 lb child), could be the parents are abused by the child, Chronic runaway etc.
Why would it matter if the excorts had a weight problem or moonlighting?  Not sure I follow your thinking on that one.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 12:20:00 AM »
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If you don't like the word brainwashing, don't use it. Certainly, there are those who become convinced that the program is right and makes sense.

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and there are those who become convinced that all programs are bad and should be shut down.  It would be pretty naive to believe that no one has benefitted from some of these programs.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 27, 2005, 12:05:00 AM »
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IT DOES MATTER ... IF YOU ARE THE CHILD ... SHACKLED AND BAREFOOT ... DRAGGED OFF BY PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW ... WHILE MOMSTER MOM PAYS THEM OFF WITH A NICE FAT PAYCHECK.



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Again, if you are removing a child from an unsafe Environment to a safer place, how would you do it?  If they are not handled properly they could hurt themselves.  You just cant grab someone and throw them in a car and drive.  They could grab the steering wheel, jump out etc.  And yes they get paid, who doesnt.  Why should anyone drive someone elses kids allnight, all around the country for free... get real, this is America

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 26, 2005, 11:22:00 PM »
Why does it matter so much how they get there?  In the back seat of their fathers caddy or in an SUV with some ex-marines?  Its only kidnapping if the child is over the age of 18 (or 21 in some state) or without parent consent.  The important thing is the child is being removed from an unsafe enviornment to one that is thought to be safer.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Why Are Struggling Parents Such An Easy Mark?
« on: September 26, 2005, 05:35:00 PM »
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Inflammatory Words? KIDNAP is what escorts do.  They KIDNAP kids for hire.



Sheesh.  You must be a program (or ex program) parent who hired some thugs to "escort" your child out of their home and into one of these hellcamps.



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I think you missed it, How many kids would go to a TBS if asked (raise your hands).... I thought so and so they invented escort services.

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