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In a basic sense, this process is the ultimate source of meaning in human
life.

I cannot agree with this statement.  If you were to look at society today- Yes, you would find that most people do, in fact derive their meaning in life this way.. I am a republican.. I am a democrat.. I am cowboy.. I am a city boy.. I am a man.. I am tough man.. I am a woman... I am a cultured woman... I am wealthy and have the ways of wealth about me.. I am wealthy but independent... I am poor.  I am a proud poor person.. I am a christian.. I am a muslim.. I am an atheist..

However, I do not agree that it IS the ultimate meaning in human life, but rather a default.  Without doubt, there are certain people who fare better in programs then others.  Some are more independently minded, trusting in their own minds, and willing to fight for them. Are these people's lives, we are to assume, lacking in meaning, then those who either cave more easily, or even those who pretty much throw the collar around their own necks, and are happy to have them.

Look.. when we are young we are pressured to take on many attitudes and ideas.. so we do... also, some attitudes and ideas are all that we are exposed to at all, and so they are as real to us, as the ground that is always beneath our feet.. also, being dependent upon our family's, we take on many attitudes and ideas for our survival, and also desiring love, and also, knowing that any adult in the world, if they wanted to could physically hurt us, or even kill us, at any time, might also shape how we mold ourselves going into the world.... As we come into adulthood, however, I think that deriving meaning from tribe-like mentality, though, we pretty much all do it to some extent, is by default, and is the lesser part of ourselves.. NOT the ULTIMATE.. It stems from our insecurity, and our past patterning...

This is why I never agreed with the concept of positive peer pressure.. If I can use positive peer pressure to make you clean.. I can used so called negative peer pressure to get you right back on drugs again.  The handle by which you can be controlled is not only still there, but has been strengthened, and as well, reaffirmed, and glorified.  Peer pressure is indiscriminate.  Caving to the will of the majority, when you do not think it is what you should do is negative. There is no negative and positive.  That is like say that if I drive off a cliff, I have a bad car, but if I drive to the store, I have a good car.  A car is a car, and that's it.  You judge the car, by the car, not by what a person, uses it to do.

Anyway, I am not looking to argue, or nitpick, but I, personally, think that this is a very important identification.. You have to be very careful, in my opinion, reading the works of all these intellectuals.  They are often right on a lot of points, but miss, at the same time, some of the other most important points.. And of course, I could also be wrong, but this is my opinion.  

Paul St. john

Glad to see you're still around here!

Thanks man.. Same to ya... Shit, if Fornits were England.... You d be like Sir Froderik by now.. heh


Paul

It is only natural that an intelligent or wise person will seek to be strong and discipline, and have perspective.

The programs ask that you treat the least important things like the most important.  More then ask, they insist, and they have all sorts of rules in place to make sure that no one slips through.  In Daytop, a person was not allowed to "isolate", for example.  Any "free" moments were to spent in the company of other programme, and is you were not a sold programme, then you must spend your time with those who were.  Anyone can "confront " you on any topic, and you must answer, so even if a topic is worth nothing to you, you must entertain it in discussion.. This and a million other things, and if you resist any of them, you are punished in some way or another.

Basically, they force you to be petty.  They force you to turn your back on your sensibility, and on you earned emotional control.  None of it goes anyway.  Only a game.. Like a bunch of pigs playing the mud, that just keeps getting dirtier.  All the best principles go out the window, and are replaced by nonsense.

I'm not sure where I stand with my beliefs of transcendental meditation, but all the same, I do believe that we have a higher nature.  Those who seek such things , this is not respected by the programs.. they paint the picture that such things are silly, ridiculous, not real, a part of your image, and attempt to replace it with things that actually are silly, ridiculous, not real, and nothing more then an image, a prototyped TC image.

Damn.. It's good to be man.. How nice is it, that we can look back, and resort all this in our minds?

Paul St. John

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Get a fucking hobby!

Hey None-ya..

I've dealt with them to an extent too, and have some input.. I don t have time to write it at the moment.. But wanted to thank ya for replying..


Paul

Hey Paul,

Nice to meet you, too! I'm actually a reddit chick, but that's ok, I think everyone on the internet is a dude, too!



Hmm.. No kidding.. That's cool... I'm a big fan of chicks... and I thought maybe you were a dude from Cali. or something...


Thanks for your analysis on the 'parent' posts, I totally defer to your judgment. They showed up not long after I posted here, so I'm thinking we got some of your fornits trolls.

A friend of mine is in school for leadership, she told me that she learned that people that irk us cause great ideas to happen. She had worked in a field where she was expected to come up with new ideas, she said now she realizes why management kept the people that annoyed everyone around. Now she knows it was part of a 'master plan'. I'm going to think of trolls as this...perhaps something that inspires us further.

I'm not a great marketer, I'm actually horrible but I'm getting help for the stuff I don't know. What I do have is an idea that feels right to just about everyone: let's save kids from horrific institutional abuse!

I think this is a very, very good thing.... A new breath of fresh air into the scene....

I would just like to say that when I recently heard about the shutting down of Elan was was thrilled and emotional. I am so happy for the people who worked hard to see this happen. I never went there. I went to hyde, i'm sure you guys know about hyde from running track against us and the like. you guys made Hyde seem like a walk in the park. I havn't been on this forum in years but this has renewed my faith that positive effect can certainly come out of people organizing themselves on the internet. I am telling all my friends about this.

Mansion Dweller, your spirit is in my opinion admirable and on track!  I'm not sure why your post is drawing negative responses, but I hope it doesn't hamper your inspiration..

Rock on!



Paul St. John