Second, no you're not entitled to anything from me without my voluntary consent or a legal warrant. You haven't got my consent to gain access to the information you've requestion. Have you got a warrant? Didn't think so.
Third, assuming you did acquire my consent or a warrant, and your rant on the reliability of proxy servers were even close to technically accurate, to whom would I provide such information?
In point of fact, publishing a publicly available name, address and phone number that any schmoe with an IQ greater than that of a cocker spaniel could get on their own is perfectly legal. However, providing information leading to the identity of someone who has a reasonable expectation of privacy (i.e. they don't provide the info publicly or to you directly and they have not done anything to draw legal action that migh force me to provide the research needed to ferret out that info.) might well be defined as a serious violation of privacy statutes and, possibly, complicity in criminal harassment on your part.
On 2002-06-26 01:41:00, Anonymous wrote:What is this, a netizen's arrest? And some people say you have no sense of humor!
I am acting in compliance with the duties of an American citizen and have sought the support of the US attorney generals office, and local police.
You are hereby notified.
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American P.O.W. 10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2002-06-27 13:32 ]
On 2002-07-01 22:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
I don't know why you're so mean. You're always being mean. Why is that?
On 2002-07-02 20:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
The intensity of the program?!?! give me a break! the people argueing have been out of the program for 10 15 20+ years!
I suppose the fact that a former Elan/kids resident didnt change his underwear today has anything to do with a verbal reprimand they recieved in 1982?
On 2002-07-03 19:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
Why are people who don't believe that Elan was terrible or that they were abused at Elan labeled by you, and other people as "apologists"?
According to what you have said aren't they just people with a different opinion than yours who have a right. like you do, to express it?
BTW, quick search on the word "apologist" turns up over 51k hits. Dan, you must be a busy boy! `Course, it's far more likely Elan never was real big on education. And so these folks, believing steadfastly that good ol'e Joe gave them all the 'tools' they'd ever need in life, have never bothered to read enough to stumble accross this very common word.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=I ... =apologist (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=apologist)
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American P.O.W. 10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
On 2002-06-19 12:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"colley hill rd
Gray ME 04039
(207) 657 4421
Someone should send this sick child molesting fuck's number and address to his victim back in the 70's.I'm sure they would pay alot for this info."
You are not in elan anymore, you all seem like you were eager to leave, so can you please move on with your lives."
On 2003-09-19 05:10:00, nazi wrote:
"one time marty painted himself up in glue and rolled around in a bag of feathers and Linda Roy and Mr.Alboro chased him through the Elan woods armed with rubber dicks and egg beaters.
Marty had a huge smile on his face and appeared to be enjoying this bizar incident."
On 2003-09-30 18:56:00, Paul St. John wrote:
"Quote
On 2003-09-19 05:10:00, nazi wrote:
"one time marty painted himself up in glue and rolled around in a bag of feathers and Linda Roy and Mr.Alboro chased him through the Elan woods armed with rubber dicks and egg beaters.
Marty had a huge smile on his face and appeared to be enjoying this bizar incident."
LOL @ paul St John's responseLMAO! :lol:
"
On 2003-10-05 05:01:00, nazi wrote:
Marty so desperately wanted to shove that ugly Indian retarted mongoloid head of his up Jeff's asshole
"
On 2003-10-18 05:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In reponse to your statement about me, the person who wants honesty, here is my one and only reason I don't post with my name:
You people are twisted. I don't trust you at all. I'd be afraid about what you would do. I don't need you going after my dad or sisters as you went after Ken's daughter."
Guard with jealous attention the public Liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that Jewel. Unfortunately, Nothing will Preserve it but downright Force. Whenever you Give Up that Force, you are ruined.....The Great Object is that every man be armed.....Everyone who is able may have a gun.
- Patrick Henry
"One commentator pointed out that when the mafia commits violence, no
one suggests we bomb Sicily. Today it seems we are, in a symbolic way, not only bombing "Sicily," but are thinking about bombing "Athens" (Iraq)."
Ron Paul, 11/29/01 Speech before Congress
On 2003-11-19 10:26:00, Marc RosenBlow wrote:
"Hello elan school how may i direct your call?
Yes Can I please speak to Martin Kruglik
Who shall I say is calling
John Richards from trouble teen magizine
Please hold while I direct your call
Marty answers:
Hello this is Martin can I help you?
Yes marty I would like to know why you think taping tampons to a 13 year old girls head soaked in ketchup is considered in your eye's thearupitic?
And who may I ask is calling?
This is John Richards from trouble teen magizine
There is a magizine that is actaully for troubled teens available to the public?
Yes
What do you publish in this magizine John?
Look Marty I'll ask the question's here, and I want to know why you feel taping tampons soaked in ketchup to a 13 yard old girls head is considered theaputic?
If you are refereing to the way Elan was run back many years ago I really have no comment or recolition of it.
So you are denying this ever took place?
I'm not denying anything John, it seems like to me you are investigating matters that occured a few decades ago from which I was not employed at the time.
How long have you worked at elan Martin?
I have been here for around 9 years.
Oh really, then why is it there are alot of other people out there that say different?
And whom are you refering to John?
I'm sorry Martin, but tha is priveleged information.
Priveleged information huh?Well then I would have to say you calling up here and asking about students treatments is also priveledge information.
Well Martin, did I at any time metion of request former students names? I don't think so.
Just out of curiosity John, were you the little bugger that called up here this morning asking Jeffery stupid questions?
Jeffery?Who's Jeffery? Would be another one of your cromies employed with you that tapes ketchup soaked tampons to 13 year old girl's heads?
Look John I see where this conversation is going and this is must likely nothing but a joke to you.
Ummmmm No martin, I don't find it amusing taping tampon's soaked in Ketchup to littel girl's head's.
Okay John if you wish to interview me on how things were run in the pat I would be more then gladly sit down with you over a cup of coffee or something, i really don't feel comfortable nor do I have the time to discuss what went on here at the school in the past.
So you are not denying it now Marty?
No John I'd rather meet you one on one and have this conversation done in a more professional manner.
Well Martin. I'm afraid that is not possible considering we are on 2 different time zones here.I usually conduct all conversations via phone call's or internet.Thats the beauty of telephone's and computer's, we can find out and conduct interviews in the comfort of our office's without havin to travel all around the world.Geese Marty you make it sound like you are living in the 18th century back in the cowboy's and Indian's era.
I dont know who I'm talking to first of all, for all I know you could be some hotshot lawyer looking to incriminate the school for your own personal gain.
Marty I told you who I am, I'm John Richards and I'm with the Troubled Teen Magizine.
Okay John.
Marty care to comment on allegations of child molestation that has been made public about you?
If you are refering to some of those anti-elan site's that are out on the net it seems to me that there is someone out there that hold's grudges against me and the school and are truly a sick individual.I have never performed any lewd act on any under age person, let's just get that straight.
Oh so but you have performed lewd acts on people that were of age? Am I getting this all correct?
John, when you are part of a school that focusses on teens that are emtional disturbed inviduals. heavy thearopy is needed to help those peple out.There is many individuals that go through our school and are unsucessful on changing their lives and allowing us to help them.In turn, there will always be someone out there rebeling against us because we tried to get in their minds and see what was going on, wait let me rephrase that, we try to help change their thought process so that they can live a successful productive life when they leave our school.
Oh so you brainwash teens in other words?
If you want to call it that John then so be it.We try to help them live better lives.
Marty, you mentioned that there are alot of people that have went through your program and were unsucessful and now hold a grudge.So why is it you advertise your website "Elan School" having such a high success rate?
John,I am not at liberty to discuss Elan's personal growth stastic's with you, if you like you could call back and speak with the school's adminisrator and perhaps he could help you with answering most of your questions.
I didn't call you Martin to discuss stastic's, I wanted to discuss your idea and methods that you consider treatments.I consider them abuse and I do speak for everyone else out there on the internet.The reason I called you is I have read alot of unethical treatments that you carried out on trouble teens in the past and you are avoiding mos of my questions and lying about your employment with Elan.
I'm lying about my employment John?How am I lying to you about my employment?
Marty you told me that you only have worked at Elan for 9 years, that would put you back to the year of 1994.
Yes, I started working at Elan in 1994 John.
Then why is it your name was mentioned about the Skakel incident which occurreed way back before 1994?From my understanding you have been employed with Elan corp, since the 70's.
John I went through the elan program back in the early 70's and graduated.I briefly worked part time at Elan after I graduated 4 years later, but that was only part time and wasn't for very long.
Aout how long did you work for Elan after 4 years of graduating the program Martin?
Not very long John, maybe 6 months.I went back to school to get a degree and worked in another state helping out troubled teens?
Might I ask you what other places you have worked at ?
It's really no concern to you John.The point is what ever you have heard or have read about me whether its in the newspaper or the internet, chances are none of it is true and none of it can and will not be proved in any court's.
Court's? Why all the sudden are you sounding so concerened about court's Marty? Sounds like to me you have alot to hide form me.Are there people out there trying to take you to court Marty?
Look John, I have alot of things I have to get down today and this phone conversation is taking up my time a little too much.If you want to come to the school and meet with me face to face and sit down and interview me it can be arranged, otherwise I would appreciate it if you would not call her anymore to seek out stories for your magizine.We the staff at elan are caring individuals and we provide the best in care that is available today unlike other school and insititution's.Care that was provided 3 decades ago at Elan was very different and since then has been improved.So that is all I have to say to you John.
Ok Martin, I will document that you avoided most of my question's and denying working at elan during the seventies, or wait, was it only for 6 months as you have stated?I'm sure that there will be alot of former resident's that will be quite interested in what you had to say today.
Ok John you have a nice day......
Marty hangs up at this point.Well for those of you that went through the program and knew Marty I guess you can be the judges on how much he was lying to me on the phone.Far as I know this son of a bitch has been working at elan since the early 70's.
"
On 2003-12-12 07:19:00, 88 wrote:
"I got back at Marty real good.I use to help out in the kitchen many times and use to have to bring the lunch tray over to elan one.I must have spit in that food a dozen times, and Marty ate it, along with Joe and the rest of the corruptee's.But what I really wanted to do was piss or better yet shit in it,that would have been the ultimate thing to do.
Just looking at Marty's face made me sick, he was such a peice of shit.As I stated in the past on this forum, this asshole would from time to time pop his ugly mug in on a GM that was running and add his 2 cents, what for I will never know.The rest of the students would give him this look like "Who in the blue hell are you?"
Marty was a knowbody and will always be one.He is an ugly little man that stands 5ft 1 and has a fat head.His face was designed and engineered to fit up an asshole .Marty can take all his buffalo and go fuck himself.
tHe man use to talk about how sacred buffalo were and everything that came out of his mouth in conversation's were Buffalo this, Buffalo that, well fuck you Marty Kruglik and the Buffalo you rode in on!"
On 2003-08-30 18:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just got done viewing pictures over at Ken's site a saw a couple of pictures of Marty.After seeing his face I wanna spit on him,that ugly mother fucking child raping peice of shit needs to be put in the ring for some discipline.
He is one ugly mother fucker!!!!Marty is the Kenneth Parnell of Maine.fucking child abducting raping peice of shit..."
On 2002-06-19 17:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember a time Marty came into our house to help run some encounter groups and he had know idea what half the residents names were.
Anyway he didnt run the encounter group the way we were used to having one.He would sit there and read off the slips to validate why they were dropped on us and he would consider whether or not it was essential if we could express our hostility towrds the person we dropped a slip on.
Most of the residents were extremely disappointed because they couldn't get their feelings off.After the group the house went to dinner and a fight broke out between 2 residents who had built up alot of hostility towards each other.
And why did this fight happen, all because Marty denied them the right to yell at each other in a group.Two days later house in the dining room was called for a ring from the percussion's of the fight,and of as usual Marty was there to watch it.
I think Marty enjoyed when the residents fought in the ring, he got some sort of sick pleasure out of it.That whole incident could've been avoided if Marty allowed them to vent their hostility.
Elan loved to have rings, the staff their totally abused their power and got off on other people's pain."
On 2003-12-11 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2003-11-19 10:26:00, Marc RosenBlow wrote:
"Hello elan school how may i direct your call?
Yes Can I please speak to Martin Kruglik
Who shall I say is calling
John Richards from trouble teen magizine
Please hold while I direct your call
Marty answers:
Hello this is Martin can I help you?
Yes marty I would like to know why you think taping tampons to a 13 year old girls head soaked in ketchup is considered in your eye's thearupitic?
And who may I ask is calling?
This is John Richards from trouble teen magizine
There is a magizine that is actaully for troubled teens available to the public?
Yes
What do you publish in this magizine John?
Look Marty I'll ask the question's here, and I want to know why you feel taping tampons soaked in ketchup to a 13 yard old girls head is considered theaputic?
If you are refereing to the way Elan was run back many years ago I really have no comment or recolition of it.
So you are denying this ever took place?
I'm not denying anything John, it seems like to me you are investigating matters that occured a few decades ago from which I was not employed at the time.
How long have you worked at elan Martin?
I have been here for around 9 years.
Oh really, then why is it there are alot of other people out there that say different?
And whom are you refering to John?
I'm sorry Martin, but tha is priveleged information.
Priveleged information huh?Well then I would have to say you calling up here and asking about students treatments is also priveledge information.
Well Martin, did I at any time metion of request former students names? I don't think so.
Just out of curiosity John, were you the little bugger that called up here this morning asking Jeffery stupid questions?
Jeffery?Who's Jeffery? Would be another one of your cromies employed with you that tapes ketchup soaked tampons to 13 year old girl's heads?
Look John I see where this conversation is going and this is must likely nothing but a joke to you.
Ummmmm No martin, I don't find it amusing taping tampon's soaked in Ketchup to littel girl's head's.
Okay John if you wish to interview me on how things were run in the pat I would be more then gladly sit down with you over a cup of coffee or something, i really don't feel comfortable nor do I have the time to discuss what went on here at the school in the past.
So you are not denying it now Marty?
No John I'd rather meet you one on one and have this conversation done in a more professional manner.
Well Martin. I'm afraid that is not possible considering we are on 2 different time zones here.I usually conduct all conversations via phone call's or internet.Thats the beauty of telephone's and computer's, we can find out and conduct interviews in the comfort of our office's without havin to travel all around the world.Geese Marty you make it sound like you are living in the 18th century back in the cowboy's and Indian's era.
I dont know who I'm talking to first of all, for all I know you could be some hotshot lawyer looking to incriminate the school for your own personal gain.
Marty I told you who I am, I'm John Richards and I'm with the Troubled Teen Magizine.
Okay John.
Marty care to comment on allegations of child molestation that has been made public about you?
If you are refering to some of those anti-elan site's that are out on the net it seems to me that there is someone out there that hold's grudges against me and the school and are truly a sick individual.I have never performed any lewd act on any under age person, let's just get that straight.
Oh so but you have performed lewd acts on people that were of age? Am I getting this all correct?
John, when you are part of a school that focusses on teens that are emtional disturbed inviduals. heavy thearopy is needed to help those peple out.There is many individuals that go through our school and are unsucessful on changing their lives and allowing us to help them.In turn, there will always be someone out there rebeling against us because we tried to get in their minds and see what was going on, wait let me rephrase that, we try to help change their thought process so that they can live a successful productive life when they leave our school.
Oh so you brainwash teens in other words?
If you want to call it that John then so be it.We try to help them live better lives.
Marty, you mentioned that there are alot of people that have went through your program and were unsucessful and now hold a grudge.So why is it you advertise your website "Elan School" having such a high success rate?
John,I am not at liberty to discuss Elan's personal growth stastic's with you, if you like you could call back and speak with the school's adminisrator and perhaps he could help you with answering most of your questions.
I didn't call you Martin to discuss stastic's, I wanted to discuss your idea and methods that you consider treatments.I consider them abuse and I do speak for everyone else out there on the internet.The reason I called you is I have read alot of unethical treatments that you carried out on trouble teens in the past and you are avoiding mos of my questions and lying about your employment with Elan.
I'm lying about my employment John?How am I lying to you about my employment?
Marty you told me that you only have worked at Elan for 9 years, that would put you back to the year of 1994.
Yes, I started working at Elan in 1994 John.
Then why is it your name was mentioned about the Skakel incident which occurreed way back before 1994?From my understanding you have been employed with Elan corp, since the 70's.
John I went through the elan program back in the early 70's and graduated.I briefly worked part time at Elan after I graduated 4 years later, but that was only part time and wasn't for very long.
Aout how long did you work for Elan after 4 years of graduating the program Martin?
Not very long John, maybe 6 months.I went back to school to get a degree and worked in another state helping out troubled teens?
Might I ask you what other places you have worked at ?
It's really no concern to you John.The point is what ever you have heard or have read about me whether its in the newspaper or the internet, chances are none of it is true and none of it can and will not be proved in any court's.
Court's? Why all the sudden are you sounding so concerened about court's Marty? Sounds like to me you have alot to hide form me.Are there people out there trying to take you to court Marty?
Look John, I have alot of things I have to get down today and this phone conversation is taking up my time a little too much.If you want to come to the school and meet with me face to face and sit down and interview me it can be arranged, otherwise I would appreciate it if you would not call her anymore to seek out stories for your magizine.We the staff at elan are caring individuals and we provide the best in care that is available today unlike other school and insititution's.Care that was provided 3 decades ago at Elan was very different and since then has been improved.So that is all I have to say to you John.
Ok Martin, I will document that you avoided most of my question's and denying working at elan during the seventies, or wait, was it only for 6 months as you have stated?I'm sure that there will be alot of former resident's that will be quite interested in what you had to say today.
Ok John you have a nice day......
Marty hangs up at this point.Well for those of you that went through the program and knew Marty I guess you can be the judges on how much he was lying to me on the phone.Far as I know this son of a bitch has been working at elan since the early 70's.
"
That is too funny man!!!You really talked to him?Marty was the brains behind all the abuse learning experiences that were enforced.HE use to sit in his office all day thinking up new cruel punishments for the kids."
On 2004-08-23 20:55:00, JNAILZ wrote:
"Is that a real conversation? Marty was there in the early 90's when I was there. He commuted from Peabody mass., or so he said. He was there every weekday and even came to our basketball games. If he didnt work there why was he there everyday for my two years. I have no recolection of him being abusive or mean during my time, he actually seemed like a pretty good guy. I cannot speak for what happened before or after, but he was always good to me. But if that is a real conversation I wonder what he is hidding, and everyone else whould too."
On 2002-06-21 20:43:00, Anonymous wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
"Did you know how they found out Marty raped that boy?The police took a sample of his saliva and found the little boys seamon in his saliva."
Okay. It isn't as bad as as a white supremist site. Is that the standard that we want to be held to or judged by? Not as evil as hitler?. Not as insane as manson? Not as hateful as white supremists?
"Not as bad as the worst" isn't what we should be. I thought we were something good. That we were trying to do something good. All I am seeing is hate.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can do or say whatever you want about anyone you want whenever you want.
They are all true.I;ve been told by numerous amounts of people that Marty did in fact rape a child back in the 70's.
Jeff Gottlieb himself told me and all other residents in our house that he was a junkie.
And Marc Rosenberg was and still is to this date a junkie.He also was arrested many decade's ago for beating up his girlfriend while under the influence of a controlled dangerous substance.
lynda Roy was fired from Elan for breaking Elan policies,which was considered "Sexual Harrassment" towards Elan residents
There is nothing here at this site but fact.How could one make this shit up. It is all truth and not fabricated.If you dont beleive me call up Elan and make up some bullshit story that you are referencing Lynda Roy for an application and ask them what she was fired for.
It is to be said that one of Clare's children were molested by Marty Kruglik when they were in the program.A group was called on Marty for the allegations but was never granted.
Their was a police investigation but Joe's wallet was able to grease some politician's and it was called off.
Quote from: "Guest"It is to be said that one of Clare's children were molested by Marty Kruglik when they were in the program.A group was called on Marty for the allegations but was never granted.
Their was a police investigation but Joe's wallet was able to grease some politician's and it was called off.