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General Interest => Tacitus' Realm => Topic started by: Horatio on November 16, 2011, 10:10:48 PM
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From a friend, from a friend.
Tea Baggers Shut the fuck up.
We know you want to end taxation. We know you don’t care that every reputable economist on the goddamned fucking planet has tried to explain to you inbred sisterfuckers that austerity budgets and tax breaks for billionaires and transnational corporations makes joblessness worse, not better. It makes the recession worse, not better. It makes the deficit worse, not better.
But you don’t care what experts have to say, do you, knuckle-draggers, because all you care about is what makes you feel better. And what makes you feel better, apparently, is waddling up and down the street with powdered wigs and little flags and misspelled signs with pictures of the president wearing a turban, and you think that makes your opinion equal to those of educated experts who do research for a living. Don’t you get how utterly fucking bug-stupid that makes you look?
We know you want to drill for oil in Yellowstone and downtown Detroit and fucking Disneyland and two miles down through the fucking Antarctic ice cap and on Mars and every goddamned place you can think of, until the entire solar system is a polluted piece of steaming shit just like fucking Texas.
We know you email each other ape jokes and watermelon jokes and other racist Ku Klux Klan fucking bullshit–just what, three years?– after screaming TREASON! at anyone who dared disagree with George W. Bush, and two years after deciding to tell everyone you’re not actually Republican because that would mean you voted for the moron who destroyed our economy.
Guess what? The 80 percent of us who think you’re a bunch of fucking retarded clowns are sick and tired of hearing about you. The 80 percent of us who think education is actually a good thing are tired of hearing you pontificate about shit you don’t know because you can barely spell your own names.
How you hate Affirmative Action until it’s used to give preferential treatment to white students over students from Asia, or preferential treatment to the underachieving white children of the wealthiest donors. What a fucking bunch of racist hypocrites.
How you think lesbians have taken over the public university system—despite the fact that all the trustees and presidents and football coaches and most of the professors and most of the students and every evil fucker in any position of power happens to be in possession of a snow white penis.
How you think unions are the bullies with all the power and all the money while corporations are the victims with none of the power and none of the money, with no incentive to screw you because for some reason you’d rather pay them double, triple, quadruple for the same fucking services your taxes used to provide before they were used to pay for tax cuts to people who own yachts and jets. You dumb fucking idiots.
Meanwhile not a single one of you can say a single specific thing about any specific policy that stupid bitch Bachman has ever advocated. But you will of course scream at the top of your lungs that calling her bitch is sooooo wrong because Lord knows you’ve never called Hillary the c-word after wiping the beer foam off the ends of your snouts. What a bunch of misogynistic hypocrites.
Liberal media, huh? One million Latinos march for immigration reform in Los Angeles, but on every donkeypissing television station across America all we see is a tribe of twenty assholes in plaid picketing on a street corner in Arizona because they flunked economics AND history in high school and don’t know the first thing about the Founding Fathers, the Constitution, the history of our court system, OR the history of the last eight goddamned years in this country we love more than you do. Yes, more than you do—because we care enough about it to protect everyone’s freedoms—not just our own. Everyone’s property, not just our own. Everyone’s tax money, not just our own.
Shut the fuck up for five fucking minutes, just for once. A town hall meeting is not for screamers. No one wants to smell your Cheetos breath from across the room. No one wants to smell the sweat stains under your armpits as you flail, spraying spittle. A town hall meeting is for people to discuss things, not scream. Stop fucking playing the victim when the SEIU dares to use YOUR OWN goddamned town hall tactics against you. Just because most of the rest of us fear all you scary, hooded, screaming, violent bastards doesn’t mean we all have to just sit there and take it. Fuck you. We want you to go away, back to your basements, back to your generators and your canned peas and your mistranslated bibles and your pregnant daughters, waiting for the rapture while you leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
You lost the goddamned Presidential election, you Tea Bagging Republican bastards.
Go the Fuck away!
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Aside from the vulgarity for emphasis I actually agree 100%.
Tea Baggers are Republicans trying to wrap themselves in white linen.
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We know you want to end taxation. We know you don’t care that every reputable economist on the goddamned fucking planet has tried to explain to you inbred sisterfuckers that austerity budgets and tax breaks for billionaires and transnational corporations makes joblessness worse, not better. It makes the recession worse, not better. It makes the deficit worse, not better.
Can you name a few of those Reputable economists?
I can name a few who would disagree, literally off the top of my head- Henry Hazlitt, Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman, Freideric Von Hayek. And we might as well include Adam Smith- creator of the American economic system, more or less.
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We know you email each other ape jokes and watermelon jokes and other racist Ku Klux Klan fucking bullshit–just what, three years?–
Cain is one of the most desired presidential candidates amonst tea-partiers.
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We know you email each other ape jokes and watermelon jokes and other racist Ku Klux Klan fucking bullshit–just what, three years?–
Cain is one of the most desired presidential candidates amonst tea-partiers.
As absolutely insane as this might sound to the ignorant so quick to scream ignorance, that is based on his ideas, and get this.. hold on to your seats.. NOT HIS FUCKING SKIN COLOR!
That's right! You heard it here first! It is actually possible to judge people on their merits!!! And believe it or not.... (drum roll please), some people actually do it!
Paul
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Disclaimer: I am not a tea-partier, nor do I endorse them, but the above that I have just read is absolutly ridiculous, and was clearly written by an idiot, who does not feel the need to learn about things beofre critiquing them. I've seen all the silly pictures, with the white wigs, and such, and personally, it's just not for me. What I do like, is that these people want less government, and I am all for that. Some of them are dumb. Some are smart. Some are very smart. Some are not even concerned with being smart. They believe that they know right from wrong, and that is enough. Those that I have met personally, are certainly smarter then the average person.
Of course, I do not knwo how those in NY compare to those elsewhere. These are mostly very common people - the ones that I have met.. Most of them are 40, 50 plus, have worked hard all their lives and provided for their families. When you learn about all teh fucked up things that the government has done,(not conspiracy -theory stuff) it can be easy to get a little passionate about shit, even if all that drama shit is not for me, personally.
There is a country that I learned about school. I don t live in that country. I think that that is what the tea party is all about- a bunch of poeple who have had enough of the Bush's and the Obama'a.
Paul
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The tea baggers are nothing but disgruntled Republicans.
A new spin on the party of hate.
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Rep Loretta Sanchez Republican Friends Admit To Holding Economy Hostage To Defeat Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usSGhZe4 ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usSGhZe4I90&feature=player_embedded)
Is this called enhancing Republican values.
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She needs to name names. Whoever said that to her would never get re-elected. The GOP, always willing to help. As long as it hurts.
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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/ ... street/?hp (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/protesters-and-officers-clash-near-wall-street/?hp)
Mayor Bloomberg shows us his Republican values and what his personal fortune (billions) can do.
He managed to shut down all communications in or out while he raided the occupiers. Had his boys steal
everything from them and discard it in a dump. That was midnight of the first day. Great time no one is
around to document.
WTF is going on in a country when they have to hide, cheat, steal and censor their own people in order
to stop them from peacefully protesting the injustices that people such as Bloomberg endorse.
They totally black out Zuccotti Park so no information got out. I understand the legality, the park is privately
owned and the owners had a rule no camping.
I wonder if people really get what this protest is really all about. Or does the average american just keep going
about their mundane walk, with their heads fixed ahead with a sense of indifference.
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I'll never understand people who make less than$250,000 per year who vote republican. The 99%'rs have themselves to blame. They elected their own opressors. Why vote for people who would just as soon make "soylent green" out of you?
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[quote="Paul St. John And we might as well include Adam Smith- creator of the American economic system, more or less.[/quote]
Adam Smith created a system wherein the primary economic activity is speculative finance supported through sovereign debt, all propped up by an industrial base that now consists, for the most part, of military research and manufacturing?
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I understand the legality, the park is privately
owned and the owners had a rule no camping. .
They also asked them to leave the park a long time ago.. They refused. They feel ( and I use the word 'feel' intentionally), that Wall street is robbing them and infringing upon their rights, and that gives them the right to do the same thing to other innocent people- those who own the park.. FUCK LEGALITY! yes.. It is illegal, but more then that, it is fucking wrong, and it shows you where these people's heads are at. You ask if most people understand what this protest is really all about. I wonder if you do.
You can post all you want about the evils of the republican party. If I had nothing to do with my life, I could match everyone of them with posts about the evils of the democratic party. They are all crooks, and if you think Nancy Pelosi really cares anymore about the little guy, then your average republican, I got a bridge I d like to sell ya, with a view of Mars.
Paul St. John
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The funny thing here is that Obama (who I suppose most of the protesters espouse) IS Wall St.
What the fuck, you can't be for something and against something at the same time, can you?
Trust me, it'll be business as usual pretty soon here anyway; a total waste of time.
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Guys, arguing amongst one another is the exact dance the republicans and democrats want us doing. So we don't pay attention. Talk about being conditioned, brainwashed and mind fucked. We allow all of them 576 (approx) to have health and retirement for life after just one term. WTF!! We allow lobbyist to run amok willfully and knowingly bidding to the highest dollar.
John your only concern is whether I am a democrat or not...sigh. I am neither.
"If a due participation of office is a matter of right, how are vacancies to be obtained? Those by death are few. By resignation none." -Thomas Jefferson, 1801.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -Benito Mussolini, 1935, "The Doctrine of Fascism."
"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes." -Dwight Eisenhower, 1961.
"The danger [of Citizens United] is that it will further cement the corrupting dependency on private funding of public campaigns that already infects our Congress. The problem in our democracy is not diversity; the problem is a Congress dependent upon the fundraisers. The problem is not corporate speech. The problem is the fundraising Congress." -Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Lessig, 2010.
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The99PercentDeclaration
227days until
National General Assembly
The Steps to Non-Violent Revolution and the Convening of a National General Assembly
A NON-VIOLENT PLAN OF ACTION
1. Elect one man and one woman from each of the 435 congressional districts in March 2012.
2. Bring all 870 delegates to a national general assembly the week of july 4, 2012 in Philadelphia.
3. allow the 870 delegates to debate, write and ratify a petition for a redress of grievances for five days.
4. serve this ratified petition on all three branches of government and all candidates running for political office in 2012.
5. wait for a reasonable period of time for the 213th Congress and president and supreme court to act upon and redress the grievances.
6. if the grievances are not redressed within that reasonable period of time, reconvene the national general assembly to organize a new third party to run for every open congressional seat in all of the 435 districts in 2014.
If the system will not change, the 99% will change the system
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Personally, I think that the system will change, and I think that it will be in my lifetime. I certainly hope so. I do not thinjk, however, that it will be due to the actions of thoise who refer to themselves as the 99%. they lack direction, and sensibility. Just to start, the location of the protest. It should have been Washington. To me, in my mind, this is so clearly obvious, ande it just taints i9n my view, right off the bat, the credibility of this group, most of who in my opinion, at this point, are just looking for justification, to escape from life for awhile. I also do not like the term "occupation". -LMAO! I hope someone else picked up on that. "Occupation" implies force, and militant action, and the truth is, that 99 percent of the punks, could never back such things up. Additionally, does anyone else realise that while there a handful of people who live in the 99 percent, most of whom have earned it, 99 % of the 99% will no longer be in the 99 % in ten years. It is ever fluctuating. And if someone does succeed in getting the 99 percent, do they suddenly become evil?
For it to really happen, will require first vision, and understanding, then persistence, and perseverence.. And will require the types of individuals, of which there are very few of on the earth- individuals who would probably never associate themselves, with these 99 percfent quacks. Anyone who thinks that a bunch of nearly meaningless protests is going to put an end to a machine that has been going for so long, is crazy.
Are there some real, real bad guys in politiocs? Absolutly! But do you think that they give a fuck about protests? LOL! hell NO! They do not care if it is in the constitution or anything else. The laws of the land serve one purpose and one purpose only to them. They use them to carry out their will.. that is it. Corruption in the government goes so deep it is almost unfathomable. Some of it is very, very intentional. Some of it is well-meaning, but still leads to overall loss- great overall loss. These are my thoughts anyway.
But again, I do think that there will be a change in my lifetime. Unfortunatly, I do not know that everybody will be ready for it.
Paul St. John
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No doubt, the elites who own all of the land, all of the stocks, all of the bonds, all of the debt, all of the infrastructure, all of the politicians, all of the judges and all of the media will move into cabins in in the woods once the discontent of the downtrodden is made apparent.
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Personally, I think that the system will change, and I think that it will be in my lifetime. I certainly hope so. I do not thinjk, however, that it will be due to the actions of thoise who refer to themselves as the 99%. they lack direction, and sensibility. Just to start, the location of the protest. It should have been Washington. To me, in my mind, this is so clearly obvious, ande it just taints i9n my view, right off the bat, the credibility of this group, most of who in my opinion, at this point, are just looking for justification, to escape from life for awhile. I also do not like the term "occupation". -LMAO! I hope someone else picked up on that. "Occupation" implies force, and militant action, and the truth is, that 99 percent of the punks, could never back such things up. Additionally, does anyone else realise that while there a handful of people who live in the 99 percent, most of whom have earned it, 99 % of the 99% will no longer be in the 99 % in ten years. It is ever fluctuating. And if someone does succeed in getting the 99 percent, do they suddenly become evil?
For it to really happen, will require first vision, and understanding, then persistence, and perseverence.. And will require the types of individuals, of which there are very few of on the earth- individuals who would probably never associate themselves, with these 99 percfent quacks. Anyone who thinks that a bunch of nearly meaningless protests is going to put an end to a machine that has been going for so long, is crazy.
Are there some real, real bad guys in politiocs? Absolutly! But do you think that they give a fuck about protests? LOL! hell NO! They do not care if it is in the constitution or anything else. The laws of the land serve one purpose and one purpose only to them. They use them to carry out their will.. that is it. Corruption in the government goes so deep it is almost unfathomable. Some of it is very, very intentional. Some of it is well-meaning, but still leads to overall loss- great overall loss. These are my thoughts anyway.
But again, I do think that there will be a change in my lifetime. Unfortunatly, I do not know that everybody will be ready for it.
Paul St. John
Paul, I sense a lot of discontent here. I am not clear on why exactly you would not get behind the 99% but hey, you have your right. We can make change and will. Maybe as you said it will not be now or in a few years but I will not stand by as we are marginalized by the greedy and all powerful.
I do believe in a person being able to build a company, flourish and reap the profits. So long as the person knows they did not do it all by themselves. The country they are living in participated, greatly.
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The Supercommittee Failed. Hooray!!!!!
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... _have.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2011/11/supercommittee_failure_why_the_absence_of_a_deal_may_cut_the_deficit_more_than_a_deal_would_have.html)
Excerpt from article:
Today’s the day when Washington officially comes to terms with the fact that the “Supercommittee”—a bipartisan, bicameral group charged with reducing America’s long-term fiscal deficit—won’t agree on anything. This is being termed a “failure,” and by the standards of D.C.’s fetishization of bipartisanship, it is one. But in terms of deficit reduction, failure is actually better than success.
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Paul, I sense a lot of discontent here.
It runs deeper then discontent. I have had these thoughts for a very long time. It is a situation which NEEDS to be remedied. It is an evil that exists in a land that I love on a planet that I love- my planet. Certain things are right. Certain things are not. However, I live within the system, and have to make the best of what is available to me. The change that I am looking for may not be coming for some time, and as much as I owuld like to fast forward right to that time, instead, I have to hope that the world simply makes it long enough to get to that time, without too much disaster and unnecessary bullshit, for myself, and the world at large... so I back the things within the system which are the most sensible rational, and reasonable.. For example, the tea party is "if-y " at best, but at this point in time, I think that we would benefit immensely , form getting a decent amount of these people into office. I think many of them are full of shit as well, to be honest, but I think it is the right direction. I am tired of republicans, and I am tired of democrats. I want thinkers who will simply try to do what they think is right.
I am not clear on why exactly you would not get behind the 99% but hey, you have your right.
I appreciate your recognizing my right, and I do not mean that sarcastically. The reason that I will not get behind them, is because they are a bunch of idiots. They are stupid.. and they have no foundation. Most of them want to solve the problem with more of the problem, and they are so naive that they are ripe for any crazy MFer who comes along making promises. These people not only cannot be taken seriously, but to the extent that they are, they hurt any real progress towards greater liberty, and honesty in government. They not only do not have the answers.. but most of them are not even "in the Know" enough , to have the questions. I would bet that if you spent some time around them Horatio, things that they would and do would probably rub you the wrong way, and just not click with you. Perhaps, I am wrong with that.. In NY, right now, there are so many different fractions of them, that they do not even agree on wnat they want, and they each seem a b it like their own special interest group. Society's hatred for Wall Street has given them license to do this, while others keep society going.
There list of demands, not only , would all be approved of by Karl Marx, but they are also literally i9mpossible, and if we tried them , the very structure of our society would implode, i a very short amount of time... These things, which they want (LOL), simply cannot be done. When we are kids many of us view the government, as this like omnipotent power, much like how we view our parents.. These people still think like that. It is pure irrationality. .. and the truth is it is very dangerous. I don t fuck around Horatio. I don t play games. I am very serious about my viewpoints and this country as a whole. I have things I want to do in my life, and I d like to have a world in which I can do them. I have a deep inner conviction that I have a right to live my life to the fullest, and that is my fuel, which keeps my mind ever going.
I can t back the supposed 99 percent, the chosen name of which turns my stomach, because my enemy's enemy is not my friend just as such, and I waste not time of my life knowingly playing games. I believe in getting shit done and making things happen.. I am all about the real thing.. not translucent, wannabe hippy- "we wanna be heard"- bullshit. [/quote]
We can make change and will.
Thus far, they have accomplished nothing, except obstructing the normal functioning, of , in my opinion, the greatest city in the world.
Maybe as you said it will not be now or in a few years but I will not stand by as we are marginalized by the greedy and all powerful.
I am never marginalized. I hold my head tall, and I am proud of myself. This is something that evil people can never know.
I do believe in a person being able to build a company, flourish and reap the profits.
It is a right which needs be recognized.
So long as the person knows they did not do it all by themselves. The country they are living in participated, greatly.
Of course, I have to do some inferring, to know what you mean here, but I don t think that I agree.
I can say this, nobody owes me nothing.
Paul St. John
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"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand are banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a REVOLUTION before tomorrow morning."
- Henry Ford
"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women their right to join the union of their choice."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Were not from the left, were not from the right, were from the bottom and were coming for the top."
- anonymous
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/opini ... .html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/opinion/sunday/kristof-occupy-the-agenda.html?_r=1)
A version of this op-ed appeared in print on November 20, 2011, on page SR11 of the New York edition with the headline: Occupy The Agenda.
Occupy the Agenda
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: November 19, 2011
The Occupy protests might have died in infancy if a senior police official had not pepper-sprayed young women on video. Harsh police measures in other cities, including a clash in Oakland that put a veteran in intensive care and the pepper-spraying of an 84-year-old woman in Seattle, built popular support.
Just in the last few days, Bloomberg — who in other respects has been an excellent mayor — rescued the movement from one of its biggest conundrums. It was stuck in a squalid encampment in Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park: antagonizing local residents, scaring off would-be supporters, and facing months of debilitating snow and rain. Then the mayor helped save the demonstrators by clearing them out, thus solving their real estate problem and re-establishing their narrative of billionaires bullying the disenfranchised. Thanks to the mayor, the protests grew bigger than ever.
I watched in downtown Manhattan last week as the police moved in to drag off protesters — and several credentialed journalists — and the action seemed wildly over the top. Sure, the mayor had legitimate concerns about sanitation and safety, but have you looked around New York City? Many locations aren’t so clean and safe, but there usually aren’t hundreds of officers in riot gear showing up in the middle of the night to address the problem.
Yet in a larger sense, the furor over the eviction of protesters in New York, Oakland, Portland and other cities is a sideshow. Occupy Wall Street isn’t about real estate, and its signal achievement was not assembling shivering sleepers in a park.
The high ground that the protesters seized is not an archipelago of parks in America, but the national agenda. The movement has planted economic inequality on the nation’s consciousness, and it will be difficult for any mayor or police force to dislodge it.
A reporter for Politico found that use of the words “income inequality” quintupled in a news database after the Occupy protests began. That’s a significant achievement, for this is an issue that goes to our country’s values and our opportunities for growth — and yet we in the news business have rarely given it the attention it deserves.
The statistic that takes my breath away is this: The top 1 percent of Americans possess a greater net worth than the entire bottom 90 percent, according to an analysis by the Economic Policy Institute.
A new study by Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School and Dan Ariely of Duke University polled Americans about what wealth distribution would be optimal. People across the board thought that the richest 20 percent of Americans should control about one-third of the nation’s wealth, and the poorest 20 percent about one-tenth.
In fact, the richest 20 percent of Americans own more than 80 percent of the country’s wealth. And the poorest 20 percent own one-tenth of 1 percent.
It would be easier to accept this gulf between the haves and the have-nots if it could be spanned by intelligence and hard work. Sometimes it can. But over all, such upward mobility in the United States seems more constrained than in the supposed class societies of Europe.
Research by the Economic Mobility Project, which explores accessibility to the American dream, suggests that the United States provides less intergenerational mobility than most other industrialized nations do. That’s not only because of tax policy, which is what liberals focus on. Perhaps even more important are educational investments, like early childhood education, to try to even the playing field. We can’t solve inequality unless we give poor and working-class kids better educational opportunities.
The Occupy movement is also right that one of the drivers of inequality (among many) is the money game in politics. Michael Spence, a Nobel Prize-winning economist who shares a concern about rising inequality, told me that we’ve seen “an evolution from one propertied man, one vote; to one man, one vote; to one person, one vote; trending to one dollar, one vote.”
James M. Stone, former chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, said in a recent speech that many members of Congress knew that banks needed to be more tightly regulated, perhaps broken into smaller pieces.
“So why was this not done?” he asked. “One obvious piece of the answer is that both political parties rely heavily on campaign contributions from the financial sector.”
The solution to these inequities and injustices is not so much setting up tents at bits of real estate here or there, but a relentless focus on the costs of inequality. So as we move into an election year, I’m hoping that the movement will continue to morph into: Occupy the Agenda.
I invite you to comment on this column on my blog, On the Ground. Please also join me on Facebook and Google+, watch my YouTube videos and follow me on Twitter.
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Bloomberg is an excellent mayor?
Bullshit
This city will spent 25 years recovering from this douchebag.
Who said anything about Bloomberg?
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"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand are banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a REVOLUTION before tomorrow morning."
- Henry Ford
I'll agree that most people do not understand it. A revolution? maybe.. Maybe not. Perhaps, in Ford's day.. Of course today, there are some people who understand, and I do not see a revolution. Or could it even be possible that Henry Ford was just exaggerating to make a point? Or maybe even he was wrong? After all, he was one of the top one percent, and in your book, doesn t that automatically make him the enemy?
And of course, most importantly, I do not see how this addresses anything that I have wrote above, or anything that is of the topic of discussion.. I wonder.. do YOU even understand our banking/monetary, or are you just a fan of quotes?
I'll tell you what you resemble with this post, and pretty much every single post that you have written in the this thread- a person who has been indoctrinated by a cult or program, or a victim of brainwashing.
I identify and explain.. you shoot out silly nuggets that you use to support your ideas..
The reason you resemble this, and I am a bit sorry to tell you this.. is because operating in the exact same mode. You have been throughout all of our discussions. You are extremely closed-minded. You are like some kinda 99 percent true believer. Just because we want to believe something does not make it true.
"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women their right to join the union of their choice."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Well, if someone said it, then of course, there is no doubt that it must be fact. Do you agree with every word that Eisenhower has ever said?
Either way, I am not sure what this has anything to do with anything, you silly one.
As far as my personal view, it is a bit more complicated then just that, and if you really want to get into it, I will surely oblige.
"Were not from the left, were not from the right, were from the bottom and were coming for the top."
- anonymous
That truly does sound like the words of an OCCUPIER!!!!!!!
It makes me think of a movie when I was a teenager.. There was a Jewish Kid attending an all catholic, school, where bigotry was basically norm.. Shit.. can t remember the name of it.
But there was a quote that I so loved and always remembered.
One of the staff says to the guy...
" Jesus said that the meek shall inherit the earth. "
and the dude looks at the teacher and says , " and will they still be meek once they have inherited it"?
Still gives me goosebumps.. Really puts things into perspective .. doesn t it?
Oh and BTW, to get the top, from the bottom, you gotta go through the middle, and you ain t getting past me.. :)
You think I m kidding, but if the movement, ever became a serious threat to our society( which it DEFINITELY won t, because its a bunch of idiots ), I, that's right ME, would put an end to it. :)
Paul
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Not only me, though, there will be a lot of us. You like bullying guys in suits trying to make a living..
LOL! I wonder how you punks would like it if the tables were turned...
You are protected! But not if you go too far! You don t think about the businessmen that you are taunting, and literally spitting on. You do not think of the fear that you are instilling in them and their families..
All these different times that you fucking losers have mobilized, you did not think of all the innocent citizens lives who you were obstructing for no fucking reason.
Paul
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Justify this to me. No quotes.. No stupid articles.. Use YOUR fucking brain! and justify YOUR chosen stance!
Paul
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Bloomberg is an excellent mayor?
Bullshit
This city will spent 25 years recovering from this douchebag.
Who said anything about Bloomberg?
The article says he's an excellent mayor
::puke::
Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me like this section is primarily an observation of ironies, with possibly a certain amount of sarcasm involved. From the above NYTimes OpEd piece (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=38172&start=15#p408485), emphasis added:
The Occupy protests might have died in infancy if a senior police official had not pepper-sprayed young women on video. Harsh police measures in other cities, including a clash in Oakland that put a veteran in intensive care and the pepper-spraying of an 84-year-old woman in Seattle, built popular support.
Just in the last few days, Bloomberg — who in other respects has been an excellent mayor — rescued the movement from one of its biggest conundrums. It was stuck in a squalid encampment in Manhattan's Zuccotti Park: antagonizing local residents, scaring off would-be supporters, and facing months of debilitating snow and rain. Then the mayor helped save the demonstrators by clearing them out, thus solving their real estate problem and re-establishing their narrative of billionaires bullying the disenfranchised. Thanks to the mayor, the protests grew bigger than ever.[/list][/size]
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Justify this to me. No quotes.. No stupid articles.. Use YOUR fucking brain! and justify YOUR chosen stance!
Paul
Paul, I am not sure what is your problem but I am not interested in engaging in verbal warfare. I started this thread with a article a friend of a friend emailed me. I even noted that it was confrontational. I was trying to drum up conversation for a critical situation happening in America right now. The occupiers and just regular people protesting the unequal distribution of wealth in this country right now. On several threads I have expressed my opinions on this very subject. I just don't think I am so right that I want to go around and became overly excited about my opinions.
Good luck.
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Bloomberg is an excellent mayor?
Bullshit
This city will spent 25 years recovering from this douchebag.
Who said anything about Bloomberg?
The article says he's an excellent mayor
::puke::
Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but it seems to me like this section is primarily an observation of ironies, with possibly a certain amount of sarcasm involved. From the above NYTimes OpEd piece (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=38172&start=15#p408485), emphasis added:
The Occupy protests might have died in infancy if a senior police official had not pepper-sprayed young women on video. Harsh police measures in other cities, including a clash in Oakland that put a veteran in intensive care and the pepper-spraying of an 84-year-old woman in Seattle, built popular support.
Just in the last few days, Bloomberg — who in other respects has been an excellent mayor — rescued the movement from one of its biggest conundrums. It was stuck in a squalid encampment in Manhattan's Zuccotti Park: antagonizing local residents, scaring off would-be supporters, and facing months of debilitating snow and rain. Then the mayor helped save the demonstrators by clearing them out, thus solving their real estate problem and re-establishing their narrative of billionaires bullying the disenfranchised. Thanks to the mayor, the protests grew bigger than ever.[/list][/size]
The irony is as thick as molasses.
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Paul this is what I stand for by and large.
PLEASE SIGN OUR WHITE HOUSE ONLINE PETITION BY CLICKING THIS LINK:
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The 99% Declaration
WHEREAS THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION PROVIDES THAT:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT:
WE, THE NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in order to form a more perfect Union, by, for and of the PEOPLE, shall elect and convene a NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY beginning on July 4, 2012 in the City Of Philadelphia to prepare and ratify a PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES on behalf of the 99% of United States citizens.
I. Election of Delegates:
The People, consisting of all United States citizens who have reached the age of 18, regardless of party affiliation and voter registration status, shall elect Two Delegates, one male and one female, by direct vote, from each of the existing 435 Congressional Districts to represent the People at the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY. The office of Delegate shall be open to all United States citizens who have reached the age of 18.
No candidate for Delegate to the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY will be permitted to run on a party line or use any party label while running for or serving as a Delegate. No candidate or delegate may take private money from any source. Election Committees in the 435 voting districts, consisting of volunteers, shall organize, coordinate and transparently fund this election. The voting process shall be free from the corrupting influence of corporate money and all funds raised by the 99% Declaration Working Group shall be used for the purpose of funding the election of Delegates and providing a venue for the Delegates to meet in Philadelphia.
II. Meeting of the National General Assembly and Approval of a Petition for a Redress of Grievances:
In addition to ensuring a free and fair election of the Delegates to the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, the Working Group on the 99% Declaration shall be responsible for raising sufficient funds to secure a venue wherein the 870* Delegates may convene, deliberate and ratify a PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES to be presented to all 535 members of Congress, the 9 members of the Supreme Court, the President of the United States and each of the political candidates seeking to be elected to federal public office in November 2012.
Subject to the voting procedure regarding the final vote for ratification of the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES as set forth in section III, the Delegates of the National General Assembly shall implement their own rules, procedures, agenda, code of conduct, internal elections or appointments of committee members to efficiently and expeditiously accomplish the People's mandate to present a PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES to all three branches of the government of the United States of America and political candidates before the 2012 election.
III. Content of the Petition for a Redress of Grievances:
The PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES ratified by the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY shall be non-partisan and specifically address the critical issues now confronting the 99% of the People of the United States of America. The Delegates shall deliberate and vote upon proposals and solutions to be included in the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES and if necessary adjourn for further consultation with the 99% of the People of the United States of America as our founding fathers conferred during the first two Continental Congresses.
The final vote ratifying the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES shall be by simple majority vote by the 870 delegates and a duly elected chairperson of the National General Assembly shall determine the outcome of the final vote on ratification in the event of a tie. Upon ratification, all of the Delegates shall affix their signatures to the final PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES.
IV. Suggested Content of the Petition for a Redress of Grievances:
In order to facilitate the timely election of the 870 Delegates to the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY by July 4, 2012 and submission of the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES before the 2012 general election, the Working Group on the 99% Declaration, shall draft a suggested list of grievances to be submitted to the Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY no later than April 30, 2012. The final version of the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, to be ratified by the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, may or may not include the following issues currently suggested by the Working Group on the 99% Declaration:
1. Elimination of the Corporate State. The merger of the Amercian political system of Republican Democracy with the economic system of Capitalism has resulted in the establishment of a Corporate government of, by and for the benefit of domestic and mult-inational corporations. Therefore, the 99% of the American People demand an immediate ban on all private contributions of any thing of value, to all politicians serving in or running for federal office. This ban shall extend to all individuals, corporations, "political action committees," "super political action committees," lobbyists, unions and all other private sources of money or any thing of value.
Private fundings of campaigns from concentrated sources of wealth have corrupted our political system. Therefore, all private funding of political campaigns shall be replaced by the fair, equal and total public financing of all federal political campaigns.
We, the 99% of the American People, categorically REJECT the concepts that corporations are persons or that money is equal to free speech because if that were so, then only the wealthiest people, corporations and other entities comprised of concentrated wealth would have a meaningful voice in our society. The complete elimination of all private contributions must be enacted by law or Constitutional amendment because it has become clear that politicians in the United States cannot regulate themselves and have become the exclusive representatives of corporations, unions and the very wealthy who indirectly and directly spend vast sums of money on political campaigns to influence the candidates’ decisions when they attain office and ensure their reelection year after year.
It has been estimated that 94% of all federal political campaigns are won by the candidate who spends the most money. Our elected representatives spend far too much of their time fundraising for the next election rather than doing the People's business. This constant need for more and more money, causes our politicians to labor under conflicts of interest that make it impossible for them to act in the best interests of the American People. Indeed, the current system's propagation of legalized bribery and obscene conflicts of interests has reduced our once great Republican Democracy to a greed driven corporatocracy run by boardroom oligarchs who represent .05 to 1% of the population but own 38% of the wealth and whose incomes have increased 275% since 1979 while most other salaries have remained virtually flat or declined.
2. Abrogation of the "Citizens United" Case. The immediate abrogation, even if it requires a Constitutional Amendment, of the outrageous and anti-democratic Supreme Court holding in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. This heinous decision proclaimed by the United States Supreme Court in 2010 equates the payment of money to politicians by corporations, wealthy individuals and unions with the exercise of protected free speech. We, the 99% of the American People, demand that institutional bribery never again be deemed protected free speech.
3. Elimination of All Private Benefits and "Perks" to Politicians. The 99% of the American People demand the immediate prohibition of special benefits to all federal public employees, officers, officials or their immediate family members. Public officials, politicians and their immediate families shall be banned from ever being employed by any corporation, individual or business that the public official specifically regulated while in office. No public employee, officer, official or their immediate family members shall own or hold any stock or shares in any corporation or other entity that the public official specifically regulated while in office until a full 5 years after their term is completed.
There shall be a complete lifetime ban on the acceptance of all gifts, services, money or thing of value, directly or indirectly, by any elected or appointed public official or their immediate family members, from any person, corporation, union or other entity that the public official was charged to specifically regulate while in office. The term "specifically regulate" shall mean service on a committee or sub-committee or service within any agency or department of the federal government responsible for the regulation of the person, union, corporation or entity seeking to directly or indirectly confer a benefit to a public official.
To root out corruption and restore integrity to our political system, all elected politicians and public employees must ONLY collect their salary, generous healthcare benefits and pension. Congress shall immediately pass new laws banning all private benefits to politicians and public officials. Any person, including individuals connected directly or indirectly to corporations, who violate these new laws shall be sentenced to a term of mandatory imprisonment of no less than one year and not more than ten years.
4. Term Limits. Members of the United States House of Representatives shall be limited to serving no more than four two-year terms in their lifetime. Members of the United States Senate shall be limited to serving no more than two six-year terms in their lifetime. The two-term limit for President shall remain unchanged. Serving as a member of Congress or as the President of the United States is one of the highest honors and privileges our culture can bestow. These positions of prominence in our society should be sought to serve one's country and not provide a lifetime career designed to increase personal wealth and accumulate power for the sake of vanity and hubris.
5. A Fair Tax Code. A complete reformation of the United States Tax Code to require ALL citizens and corporations to pay a fair share of a progressive, graduated income tax by eliminating loopholes, unfair tax breaks, exemptions and unfair deductions, subsidies and ending all other methods of evading taxes.
The current system of taxation unjustly favors the wealthiest Americans, many of whom pay fewer taxes to the United States Treasury than citizens who earn much less and pay a much higher percentage of their incomes in taxes. Any corporation that does business in the United States and generates income from that business in the United States shall be fully taxed on that income regardless of corporate domicile or they will be barred from earning their profits in the United States. This will allow honest companies and individuals who pay their fair share in taxes to take over those markets in the United States economy.
6. Healthcare for All. Medicare for all or adoption of a universal single-payer healthcare system. The Medicaid program will be eliminated as redundant.
7. Protection of the Planet. Corporate greed is destroying the only habitable planet known to humanity. New comprehensive laws and regulations must be immediately enacted to give the Environmental Protection Agency expanded powers to shut down corporations, businesses or any entities that intentionally or recklessly damage the environment, and to criminally prosecute individuals who intentionally or recklessly damage the environment. The 99% of the American People demand the immediate adoption of the most recent international protocols to reverse climate change, including the "Washington Declaration" and implementation of new and existing programs to rapidly transition away from fossil fuels to reusable or carbon neutral sources of energy.
8. Debt Reduction. Adoption of an immediate plan to reduce the national debt to a sustainable percentage of GDP by 2020. Reduction of the $15 trillion national debt to be achieved by BOTH fair progressive taxation and cuts in spending that benefit corporations engaged in perpetual war for profit, inefficient healthcare, pharmaceutical exploitation, the communications industry, banking and finance, the oil and gas industry, and all other entities that currently use the federal budget as a private income stream. We agree that spending cuts are necessary but those cuts must be made to facilitate what is best for the People of the United States of America, not multi-national and domestic corporations who currently have a stranglehold on the politicians in both parties.
9. Jobs for All Americans. Passage of a comprehensive job and job-training act like the American Jobs Act to employ our citizens in jobs that are available with specialized training. The American People must be put to work now by repairing America's crumbling infrastructure and building other needed public works projects. In conjunction with a new jobs act, reinstitution of the Works Progress Administration, Civilian Conservation Corps and similar emergency governmental agencies tasked with creating new projects to provide jobs to the 46 million People living in poverty, the 9% unemployed and 16.2% who are underemployed.
10. Student Loan Forgiveness. Implementation of a student loan debt relief forgiveness program. Our students are $1 trillion in debt from education loans and have few employment prospects due to the financial collapse caused by the unbridled and unregulated greed of Wall Street. Banks receive virtually interest free loans from the Federal Reserve Bank and then charge upwards of 6% interest to our students for profit. Because education is the only way to ensure our future success as a nation, interest on student debts must be immediately reduced to 2% or less and repayments deferred for periods of unemployment. The tax code will also be amended so that employers will receive a student loan repayment tax deduction for paying off the loans of their employees.
The principal on all outstanding loans shall be forgiven over time by phasing in a graduated corporate tax surcharge. This surcharge will serve as restitution and reparations for Wall Street's intentional and reckless conduct leading to widespread unemployment after the economic collapse in 2007-2008. This economic crisis, the worst since the Great Depression, resulted in the the $1.5 trillion dollar bail out of Wall Street and unknown losses to the economy estimated to be in the trillions of dollars. Banks and the financial institutions they own (see point 16 infra) have caused the current worldwide recession, debt crisis and ongoing turmoil in the international markets.
11. Immigration Reform and Improved Border Security. Immediate passage of the Dream Act and comprehensive immigration and border security reform including offering visas, lawful permanent resident status and citizenship to the world’s brightest People to stay and work in our industries and schools after they obtain their education and training in the United States.
12. Ending of Perpetual War for Profit. Recalling all military personnel at all non-essential bases and refocusing national defense goals to address threats posed by the geopolitics of the 21st century, including terrorism and limiting the large scale deployment of military forces to instances where Congressional approval has been granted. New laws must be enacted to counter the Military Industrial Complex's mission of perpetual war for profit. The annual savings created by updating our military posture and ending perpetual war will be applied to the social programs outlined herein to improve the quality of life for human beings rather than facilitating and assisting corporations engaged in murder to make ever-increasing profits distributed to the top 1% of wealth owners.
13. Reforming Public Education. Mandating new educational goals to train the American public to perform jobs in a 21st century economy, particularly in the areas of technology and green energy. This must be accomplished by taking into consideration the redundancy caused by technology and the inexpensive cost of labor in China, India and other developing countries. Eliminating tenure in primary public education in favor of merit performance and paying our teachers a competitive salary commensurate with the salaries in the private sector. These salaries must be based upon similar skills in the private sector because without highly-skilled teachers, there will never be a highly-skilled workforce and the United States will fall further and further behind its competitors.
14. End Outsourcing. Subject to the elimination of corporate tax loopholes and exploited exemptions and deductions stated above, offering tax incentives to businesses to remain in the United States and hire our citizens rather than outsource jobs. An "outsourcing tax" should be introduced to discourage businesses from sending jobs overseas and tax incentives should be offered to companies that invest in reconstructing the manufacturing capacity of the United States. This country must again competitively produce everyday products in the United States rather than importing them from countries like China and India. To do business in the United States, corporations must make slightly less profit by hiring American workers and paying them a living wage rather than maximizing every penny of profit to the detriment of our society.
15. End Currency Manipulation. Implementing immediate legislation (see e.g. H.R. 639) to encourage China (which undervalues its currency by an estimated 25% to 40%) and our other trading partners to end currency manipulation and reduce the trade deficit and end unfair trade practices.
16. Banking and Securities Reform. Immediate reenactment of the Glass-Steagall Act and increased regulation of Wall Street and the financial industry by the SEC, FINRA, the Justice Department and the other financial regulators. The immediate commencement of Justice Department criminal investigations into the Securities and Banking industry practices that led to the collapse of markets, bank bail-out and financial firm failures in 2007-2008. Introduction of a small financial transaction fee also known as the "Robin Hood Tax" to collect fees on each and every stock trade and other financial transactions. Uniform regulations limiting what banks may charge consumers for ATM fees, the use of debit cards and other miscellaneous "fees." Ending the $4 billion a year "hedge fund loophole" which permits certain individuals engaged in financial transactions to evade graduated income tax rates by treating their income as capital gains which are taxed at a much lower tax rate (approximately 15%).
17. Foreclosure Moratorium. Adoption of a plan similar to President Clinton’s proposal to end the mortgage crisis. The privately owned Federal Reserve Bank shall not continue to lower interest rates for loans to banks that are refusing to loan to small businesses and consumers. Instead, the federal government shall buy all mortgages in foreclosure and refinance these debts at an interest rate of 1% or less because that is the interest rate the Federal Reserve charges the banks who hoard the cash despite ample liquidity rather than loan it to the People and small businesses. These debts will be managed by the newly established Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and an independent foreclosure task force appointed and overseen by Congress and the Executive Branch to determine, on a case-by-case basis, whether foreclosure proceedings should continue based on the circumstances of each homeowner and the propriety of the financial institution's conduct when originating the loan.
18. Ending the Fed. The immediate formation of a non-partisan commission, overseen by Congress, to audit and investigate the short-term and long-term economic risks in eliminating the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank and transferring its functions to the United States Treasury Department.
19. Abolish the Electoral College, Comprehensive Campaign Finance and Election Reform. The 99% Demand the abolishment of the Electoral College in favor of the Popular Vote in presidential elections to avoid situations where the Electoral College elects a candidate who does not receive a majority of the popular vote. Subject to the above-referenced ban on all private money and gifts in politics, Congress shall immediately enact additional campaign finance reform requiring the Federal Communications Commission to grant free air-time to all federal candidates; total public campaign financing to all candidates who obtain sufficient petition signatures and/or votes to get on the ballot and participate in the primaries and/or general election election; implementation of nationwide uniform election rules applied to all voting districts requiring equal access to third parties to appear on ballots; abolition of "gerrymandering" by utilizing non-partisan public commissions, shortening the campaign season to three months; allowing voting on weekends and holidays; issuance of free voter registration cards to all citizens who are eligible to vote so that they cannot be turned away at a polling station because they do not have a driver's license or other form of identification; a review of the exclusion of voters with criminal records, and expanding the option of mail-in ballots and verifiable internet voting.
20. Ending the War in Afghanistan. An immediate withdrawal of all combat troops from Afghanistan and a substantial increase in the amount of funding for veteran job training and placement. New programs dedicated to the treatment of the emotional and physical injuries sustained by veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. Our veterans are committing suicide at an estimated unprecedented rate of one person every 80 minutes and we must help now.
21. Repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act ("DOMA"). Immediate passage of Senate bill, S. 598, and House bill, H.R. 1116, to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act because all human beings have the right to love and marry another human being regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
V. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that IF the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES approved by the 870 Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY in consultation with the NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE, is not acted upon within a reasonable time and to the satisfaction of the Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, said Delegates shall reconvene to utilize the grassroots network established in the election of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY to organize a new INDEPENDENT POLITICAL PARTY to run candidates for every available Congressional seat in the mid-term election of 2014 and again in 2016 until all vestiges of the existing corrupt corporatocracy have been eradicated through the power of the ballot box.
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Here is another link that will help explain my position. Professor Lawrence Lessig's Book, Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress--and a Plan to Stop It. http://www.amazon.com/Republic-Lost-Mon ... 0446576433 (http://www.amazon.com/Republic-Lost-Money-Corrupts-Congress/dp/0446576433)
Paul I could recite what this gentleman is saying but he does such a better more coherent job. I have been screaming about lobbyist, campaign contributions, retirement and health benefits for the 576 and term limits, Big banks and disproportionate taxing of Big Corps, the taxing of our citizens, WTO/WTA, jobs moving overseas ect....ince 1988.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... t/247561/# (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/has-a-harvard-professor-mapped-out-the-next-step-for-occupy-wall-street/247561/#)
Has a Harvard Professor Mapped Out the Next Step for Occupy Wall Street?
By Alesh Houdek
Nov 16 2011, 11:45 AM ET 185
Lawrence Lessig's call for state-based activism on behalf of a Constitutional Convention could provide the uprooted movement with a political project for winter.
Excerpts from the article above;
Observers and participants alike have interpreted the Occupy Wall Street movement as expressions of frustration with persistently high unemployment and underemployment, with the appearance of growing income disparity in the United States, and with the sense that the richest among us are disproportionately responsible for the current crisis. But the fundamental problem, you could argue, is that we have simply not had meaningful financial reform in response to the crisis. The Dodd-Frank Bill that was passed last summer was better than nothing, but it did not do what needed to be done to fix the problems that caused the current crisis: We haven't punished anyone. We haven't broken up banks to prevent them from being "too big to fail" in the future. The banking system that's brought us the current crisis remains in power, barely chastened. "Why?" ask the Occupy Wall Street protesters.
Lawrence Lessig has an answer. In his new book, Republic, Lost: How Money Corrupts Congress -- and a Plan to Stop It, he spends 20 pages reviewing the the 30 years of deregulation that led up to the financial crisis and outlining our present circumstances. In fact, this book, published just before Occupy Wall Street began, is perfectly positioned to become the movement's handbook. While few protesters will need convincing that the government is corrupted by money, the book lays out the case in a such a comprehensive and persuasive manner -- and proposes such specific and radical solutions -- that it seems tailor-made for the Occupy movement. And it's ambitious proposal for state-based activism on behalf of a Constitutional Convention could provide the movement with a next organizing step as it nears its two-month anniversary Thursday -- and faces such questions as how to ride out the winter and how to respond to police crackdowns.
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Historical Info
The U.S. Passed Mandatory Health Insurance In 1798 Under President And Founding Father, John Adams
November 11, 2011
By Matthew Desmond
Many people who oppose the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act”, also known as ‘Obamacare’, say the Founding Fathers wouldn’t have wanted the Government to make health insurance mandatory for private employees.
This is simply not true. In 1798, under 2nd President and Founding Father John Adams, the United States passed a law requiring mandatory health insurance for any private employees working on Maritime vessels. The bill was called “An Act for The Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen”
It’s safe to assume that John Adams, who was the first Vice President of this country, the 2nd President of this Country, one of the Founding Fathers, and was a key negotiator in the peace treaty between the United States and Britain, had a pretty clear idea of what the Founding Fathers would have been alright with.
Via Forbes;
The ink was barely dry on the PPACA [Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act] when the first of many lawsuits to block the mandated health insurance provisions of the law was filed in a Florida District Court.
The pleadings, in part, read -
The Constitution nowhere authorizes the United States to mandate, either directly or under threat of penalty, that all citizens and legal residents have qualifying health care coverage.
State of Florida, et al. vs. HHS
It turns out, the Founding Fathers would beg to disagree.
In July of 1798, Congress passed – and President John Adams signed -“An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.” The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.
Keep in mind that the 5th Congress did not really need to struggle over the intentions of the drafters of the Constitutions in creating this Act as many of its members were the drafters of the Constitution.
And when the Bill came to the desk of President John Adams for signature, I think it’s safe to assume that the man in that chair had a pretty good grasp on what the framers had in mind.
Read more at; http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/ ... e-in-1798/ (http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-socialized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/)
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Obama should return all money he took from corporations. That would be a good start. He does not need the money to win. The entrenched politicians from the two parties will never regulate themselves and take money out of politics unless we demand it and threaten them with complete electoral removal. All 535 members of Congress must be swept out and replaced with ordinary American citizens who will amend the constitution and pass new laws ending the corporate state by replacing private financing of campaigns with public financing and abrogating the Citizens United case.
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For all you folks who want to really know what your suit jacket guys are doing to keep the lies of the stupid, uneducated dope smoker vagabonds from ever seeing the light of day, read this article.
http://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/co ... news.reads (http://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy?fb_ref=U-jyEbItfjGQfX4aZaIozO1T-CFCONX01FRS-33thvXXX&fb_source=other_multiline&fb_action_types=news.reads)
The shocking truth about the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf
The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality.
Excerpts from the article:
"US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park."
"In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests."
The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.
The No 1 agenda item:
get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process.
No 2:
reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3:
was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.
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Danny wrote;
"I'm not calling him a nigger or anything"
How many times have I given you the benefit of the doubt? And then you go and make the above statement?
You're just fucking incredable............
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Danny wrote;
"I'm not calling him a nigger or anything"
How many times have I given you the benefit of the doubt? And then you go and make the above statement?
You're just fucking incredible............
Look at the joined date None Ya (it is today). This is not Danny B. but yet another attempt by Wayne Kernochan or Felice Eliscue to impersonate Danny. You have seen this many times before. Always look at the registration dates and the user name they can never duplicate this, Roman numerals.
Then if this doesn't convince you, ask yourself, when was the last time Danny ever used the word n*^^#@ on this site or any other site for that matter.
Wayne is upset because we are calling him on his sexual deviancies at Vitam Center which got him thrown out.
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Paul this is what I stand for by and large.
PLEASE SIGN OUR WHITE HOUSE ONLINE PETITION BY CLICKING THIS LINK:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#! ... s/Q6qYt2H9 (https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/endorse-wwwthe99declarationorg-which-petition-redress-grievances/Q6qYt2H9)
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The 99% Declaration
WHEREAS THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION PROVIDES THAT:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
BE IT RESOLVED THAT:
WE, THE NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in order to form a more perfect Union, by, for and of the PEOPLE, shall elect and convene a NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY beginning on July 4, 2012 in the City Of Philadelphia to prepare and ratify a PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES on behalf of the 99% of United States citizens.
I. Election of Delegates:
The People, consisting of all United States citizens who have reached the age of 18, regardless of party affiliation and voter registration status, shall elect Two Delegates, one male and one female, by direct vote, from each of the existing 435 Congressional Districts to represent the People at the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY. The office of Delegate shall be open to all United States citizens who have reached the age of 18.
No candidate for Delegate to the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY will be permitted to run on a party line or use any party label while running for or serving as a Delegate. No candidate or delegate may take private money from any source. Election Committees in the 435 voting districts, consisting of volunteers, shall organize, coordinate and transparently fund this election. The voting process shall be free from the corrupting influence of corporate money and all funds raised by the 99% Declaration Working Group shall be used for the purpose of funding the election of Delegates and providing a venue for the Delegates to meet in Philadelphia.
II. Meeting of the National General Assembly and Approval of a Petition for a Redress of Grievances:
In addition to ensuring a free and fair election of the Delegates to the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, the Working Group on the 99% Declaration shall be responsible for raising sufficient funds to secure a venue wherein the 870* Delegates may convene, deliberate and ratify a PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES to be presented to all 535 members of Congress, the 9 members of the Supreme Court, the President of the United States and each of the political candidates seeking to be elected to federal public office in November 2012.
Subject to the voting procedure regarding the final vote for ratification of the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES as set forth in section III, the Delegates of the National General Assembly shall implement their own rules, procedures, agenda, code of conduct, internal elections or appointments of committee members to efficiently and expeditiously accomplish the People's mandate to present a PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES to all three branches of the government of the United States of America and political candidates before the 2012 election.
III. Content of the Petition for a Redress of Grievances:
The PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES ratified by the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY shall be non-partisan and specifically address the critical issues now confronting the 99% of the People of the United States of America. The Delegates shall deliberate and vote upon proposals and solutions to be included in the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES and if necessary adjourn for further consultation with the 99% of the People of the United States of America as our founding fathers conferred during the first two Continental Congresses.
The final vote ratifying the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES shall be by simple majority vote by the 870 delegates and a duly elected chairperson of the National General Assembly shall determine the outcome of the final vote on ratification in the event of a tie. Upon ratification, all of the Delegates shall affix their signatures to the final PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES.
IV. Suggested Content of the Petition for a Redress of Grievances:
In order to facilitate the timely election of the 870 Delegates to the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY by July 4, 2012 and submission of the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES before the 2012 general election, the Working Group on the 99% Declaration, shall draft a suggested list of grievances to be submitted to the Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY no later than April 30, 2012. The final version of the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, to be ratified by the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, may or may not include the following issues currently suggested by the Working Group on the 99% Declaration:
1. Elimination of the Corporate State. The merger of the Amercian political system of Republican Democracy with the economic system of Capitalism has resulted in the establishment of a Corporate government of, by and for the benefit of domestic and mult-inational corporations. Therefore, the 99% of the American People demand an immediate ban on all private contributions of any thing of value, to all politicians serving in or running for federal office. This ban shall extend to all individuals, corporations, "political action committees," "super political action committees," lobbyists, unions and all other private sources of money or any thing of value.
Private fundings of campaigns from concentrated sources of wealth have corrupted our political system. Therefore, all private funding of political campaigns shall be replaced by the fair, equal and total public financing of all federal political campaigns.
We, the 99% of the American People, categorically REJECT the concepts that corporations are persons or that money is equal to free speech because if that were so, then only the wealthiest people, corporations and other entities comprised of concentrated wealth would have a meaningful voice in our society. The complete elimination of all private contributions must be enacted by law or Constitutional amendment because it has become clear that politicians in the United States cannot regulate themselves and have become the exclusive representatives of corporations, unions and the very wealthy who indirectly and directly spend vast sums of money on political campaigns to influence the candidates’ decisions when they attain office and ensure their reelection year after year.
It has been estimated that 94% of all federal political campaigns are won by the candidate who spends the most money. Our elected representatives spend far too much of their time fundraising for the next election rather than doing the People's business. This constant need for more and more money, causes our politicians to labor under conflicts of interest that make it impossible for them to act in the best interests of the American People. Indeed, the current system's propagation of legalized bribery and obscene conflicts of interests has reduced our once great Republican Democracy to a greed driven corporatocracy run by boardroom oligarchs who represent .05 to 1% of the population but own 38% of the wealth and whose incomes have increased 275% since 1979 while most other salaries have remained virtually flat or declined.
2. Abrogation of the "Citizens United" Case. The immediate abrogation, even if it requires a Constitutional Amendment, of the outrageous and anti-democratic Supreme Court holding in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. This heinous decision proclaimed by the United States Supreme Court in 2010 equates the payment of money to politicians by corporations, wealthy individuals and unions with the exercise of protected free speech. We, the 99% of the American People, demand that institutional bribery never again be deemed protected free speech.
3. Elimination of All Private Benefits and "Perks" to Politicians. The 99% of the American People demand the immediate prohibition of special benefits to all federal public employees, officers, officials or their immediate family members. Public officials, politicians and their immediate families shall be banned from ever being employed by any corporation, individual or business that the public official specifically regulated while in office. No public employee, officer, official or their immediate family members shall own or hold any stock or shares in any corporation or other entity that the public official specifically regulated while in office until a full 5 years after their term is completed.
There shall be a complete lifetime ban on the acceptance of all gifts, services, money or thing of value, directly or indirectly, by any elected or appointed public official or their immediate family members, from any person, corporation, union or other entity that the public official was charged to specifically regulate while in office. The term "specifically regulate" shall mean service on a committee or sub-committee or service within any agency or department of the federal government responsible for the regulation of the person, union, corporation or entity seeking to directly or indirectly confer a benefit to a public official.
To root out corruption and restore integrity to our political system, all elected politicians and public employees must ONLY collect their salary, generous healthcare benefits and pension. Congress shall immediately pass new laws banning all private benefits to politicians and public officials. Any person, including individuals connected directly or indirectly to corporations, who violate these new laws shall be sentenced to a term of mandatory imprisonment of no less than one year and not more than ten years.
4. Term Limits. Members of the United States House of Representatives shall be limited to serving no more than four two-year terms in their lifetime. Members of the United States Senate shall be limited to serving no more than two six-year terms in their lifetime. The two-term limit for President shall remain unchanged. Serving as a member of Congress or as the President of the United States is one of the highest honors and privileges our culture can bestow. These positions of prominence in our society should be sought to serve one's country and not provide a lifetime career designed to increase personal wealth and accumulate power for the sake of vanity and hubris.
5. A Fair Tax Code. A complete reformation of the United States Tax Code to require ALL citizens and corporations to pay a fair share of a progressive, graduated income tax by eliminating loopholes, unfair tax breaks, exemptions and unfair deductions, subsidies and ending all other methods of evading taxes.
The current system of taxation unjustly favors the wealthiest Americans, many of whom pay fewer taxes to the United States Treasury than citizens who earn much less and pay a much higher percentage of their incomes in taxes. Any corporation that does business in the United States and generates income from that business in the United States shall be fully taxed on that income regardless of corporate domicile or they will be barred from earning their profits in the United States. This will allow honest companies and individuals who pay their fair share in taxes to take over those markets in the United States economy.
6. Healthcare for All. Medicare for all or adoption of a universal single-payer healthcare system. The Medicaid program will be eliminated as redundant.
7. Protection of the Planet. Corporate greed is destroying the only habitable planet known to humanity. New comprehensive laws and regulations must be immediately enacted to give the Environmental Protection Agency expanded powers to shut down corporations, businesses or any entities that intentionally or recklessly damage the environment, and to criminally prosecute individuals who intentionally or recklessly damage the environment. The 99% of the American People demand the immediate adoption of the most recent international protocols to reverse climate change, including the "Washington Declaration" and implementation of new and existing programs to rapidly transition away from fossil fuels to reusable or carbon neutral sources of energy.
8. Debt Reduction. Adoption of an immediate plan to reduce the national debt to a sustainable percentage of GDP by 2020. Reduction of the $15 trillion national debt to be achieved by BOTH fair progressive taxation and cuts in spending that benefit corporations engaged in perpetual war for profit, inefficient healthcare, pharmaceutical exploitation, the communications industry, banking and finance, the oil and gas industry, and all other entities that currently use the federal budget as a private income stream. We agree that spending cuts are necessary but those cuts must be made to facilitate what is best for the People of the United States of America, not multi-national and domestic corporations who currently have a stranglehold on the politicians in both parties.
9. Jobs for All Americans. Passage of a comprehensive job and job-training act like the American Jobs Act to employ our citizens in jobs that are available with specialized training. The American People must be put to work now by repairing America's crumbling infrastructure and building other needed public works projects. In conjunction with a new jobs act, reinstitution of the Works Progress Administration, Civilian Conservation Corps and similar emergency governmental agencies tasked with creating new projects to provide jobs to the 46 million People living in poverty, the 9% unemployed and 16.2% who are underemployed.
10. Student Loan Forgiveness. Implementation of a student loan debt relief forgiveness program. Our students are $1 trillion in debt from education loans and have few employment prospects due to the financial collapse caused by the unbridled and unregulated greed of Wall Street. Banks receive virtually interest free loans from the Federal Reserve Bank and then charge upwards of 6% interest to our students for profit. Because education is the only way to ensure our future success as a nation, interest on student debts must be immediately reduced to 2% or less and repayments deferred for periods of unemployment. The tax code will also be amended so that employers will receive a student loan repayment tax deduction for paying off the loans of their employees.
The principal on all outstanding loans shall be forgiven over time by phasing in a graduated corporate tax surcharge. This surcharge will serve as restitution and reparations for Wall Street's intentional and reckless conduct leading to widespread unemployment after the economic collapse in 2007-2008. This economic crisis, the worst since the Great Depression, resulted in the the $1.5 trillion dollar bail out of Wall Street and unknown losses to the economy estimated to be in the trillions of dollars. Banks and the financial institutions they own (see point 16 infra) have caused the current worldwide recession, debt crisis and ongoing turmoil in the international markets.
11. Immigration Reform and Improved Border Security. Immediate passage of the Dream Act and comprehensive immigration and border security reform including offering visas, lawful permanent resident status and citizenship to the world’s brightest People to stay and work in our industries and schools after they obtain their education and training in the United States.
12. Ending of Perpetual War for Profit. Recalling all military personnel at all non-essential bases and refocusing national defense goals to address threats posed by the geopolitics of the 21st century, including terrorism and limiting the large scale deployment of military forces to instances where Congressional approval has been granted. New laws must be enacted to counter the Military Industrial Complex's mission of perpetual war for profit. The annual savings created by updating our military posture and ending perpetual war will be applied to the social programs outlined herein to improve the quality of life for human beings rather than facilitating and assisting corporations engaged in murder to make ever-increasing profits distributed to the top 1% of wealth owners.
13. Reforming Public Education. Mandating new educational goals to train the American public to perform jobs in a 21st century economy, particularly in the areas of technology and green energy. This must be accomplished by taking into consideration the redundancy caused by technology and the inexpensive cost of labor in China, India and other developing countries. Eliminating tenure in primary public education in favor of merit performance and paying our teachers a competitive salary commensurate with the salaries in the private sector. These salaries must be based upon similar skills in the private sector because without highly-skilled teachers, there will never be a highly-skilled workforce and the United States will fall further and further behind its competitors.
14. End Outsourcing. Subject to the elimination of corporate tax loopholes and exploited exemptions and deductions stated above, offering tax incentives to businesses to remain in the United States and hire our citizens rather than outsource jobs. An "outsourcing tax" should be introduced to discourage businesses from sending jobs overseas and tax incentives should be offered to companies that invest in reconstructing the manufacturing capacity of the United States. This country must again competitively produce everyday products in the United States rather than importing them from countries like China and India. To do business in the United States, corporations must make slightly less profit by hiring American workers and paying them a living wage rather than maximizing every penny of profit to the detriment of our society.
15. End Currency Manipulation. Implementing immediate legislation (see e.g. H.R. 639) to encourage China (which undervalues its currency by an estimated 25% to 40%) and our other trading partners to end currency manipulation and reduce the trade deficit and end unfair trade practices.
16. Banking and Securities Reform. Immediate reenactment of the Glass-Steagall Act and increased regulation of Wall Street and the financial industry by the SEC, FINRA, the Justice Department and the other financial regulators. The immediate commencement of Justice Department criminal investigations into the Securities and Banking industry practices that led to the collapse of markets, bank bail-out and financial firm failures in 2007-2008. Introduction of a small financial transaction fee also known as the "Robin Hood Tax" to collect fees on each and every stock trade and other financial transactions. Uniform regulations limiting what banks may charge consumers for ATM fees, the use of debit cards and other miscellaneous "fees." Ending the $4 billion a year "hedge fund loophole" which permits certain individuals engaged in financial transactions to evade graduated income tax rates by treating their income as capital gains which are taxed at a much lower tax rate (approximately 15%).
17. Foreclosure Moratorium. Adoption of a plan similar to President Clinton’s proposal to end the mortgage crisis. The privately owned Federal Reserve Bank shall not continue to lower interest rates for loans to banks that are refusing to loan to small businesses and consumers. Instead, the federal government shall buy all mortgages in foreclosure and refinance these debts at an interest rate of 1% or less because that is the interest rate the Federal Reserve charges the banks who hoard the cash despite ample liquidity rather than loan it to the People and small businesses. These debts will be managed by the newly established Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and an independent foreclosure task force appointed and overseen by Congress and the Executive Branch to determine, on a case-by-case basis, whether foreclosure proceedings should continue based on the circumstances of each homeowner and the propriety of the financial institution's conduct when originating the loan.
18. Ending the Fed. The immediate formation of a non-partisan commission, overseen by Congress, to audit and investigate the short-term and long-term economic risks in eliminating the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank and transferring its functions to the United States Treasury Department.
19. Abolish the Electoral College, Comprehensive Campaign Finance and Election Reform. The 99% Demand the abolishment of the Electoral College in favor of the Popular Vote in presidential elections to avoid situations where the Electoral College elects a candidate who does not receive a majority of the popular vote. Subject to the above-referenced ban on all private money and gifts in politics, Congress shall immediately enact additional campaign finance reform requiring the Federal Communications Commission to grant free air-time to all federal candidates; total public campaign financing to all candidates who obtain sufficient petition signatures and/or votes to get on the ballot and participate in the primaries and/or general election election; implementation of nationwide uniform election rules applied to all voting districts requiring equal access to third parties to appear on ballots; abolition of "gerrymandering" by utilizing non-partisan public commissions, shortening the campaign season to three months; allowing voting on weekends and holidays; issuance of free voter registration cards to all citizens who are eligible to vote so that they cannot be turned away at a polling station because they do not have a driver's license or other form of identification; a review of the exclusion of voters with criminal records, and expanding the option of mail-in ballots and verifiable internet voting.
20. Ending the War in Afghanistan. An immediate withdrawal of all combat troops from Afghanistan and a substantial increase in the amount of funding for veteran job training and placement. New programs dedicated to the treatment of the emotional and physical injuries sustained by veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. Our veterans are committing suicide at an estimated unprecedented rate of one person every 80 minutes and we must help now.
21. Repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act ("DOMA"). Immediate passage of Senate bill, S. 598, and House bill, H.R. 1116, to repeal the Defense Of Marriage Act because all human beings have the right to love and marry another human being regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
V. BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that IF the PETITION FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES approved by the 870 Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY in consultation with the NINETY-NINE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE, is not acted upon within a reasonable time and to the satisfaction of the Delegates of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY, said Delegates shall reconvene to utilize the grassroots network established in the election of the NATIONAL GENERAL ASSEMBLY to organize a new INDEPENDENT POLITICAL PARTY to run candidates for every available Congressional seat in the mid-term election of 2014 and again in 2016 until all vestiges of the existing corrupt corporatocracy have been eradicated through the power of the ballot box.
This is very interesting
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Danny wrote;
"I'm not calling him a nigger or anything"
How many times have I given you the benefit of the doubt? And then you go and make the above statement?
You're just fucking incredible............
Look at the joined date None Ya (it is today). This is not Danny B. but yet another attempt by Wayne Kernochan or Felice Eliscue to impersonate Danny. You have seen this many times before. Always look at the registration dates and the user name they can never duplicate this, Roman numerals.
Then if this doesn't convince you, ask yourself, when was the last time Danny ever used the word n*^^#@ on this site or any other site for that matter.
Wayne is upset because we are calling him on his sexual deviancies at Vitam Center which got him thrown out.
I switched my account because the other mailbox is being wonky. This is Danny, always was
Thanks for reading if you did
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Nice try but here is the real Danny, with the proper amount of posts and the date I registered. See if you can copy and paste this avatar.
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I'll be using both of these profiles to confuse the trolls. Felice is a stalker and abuser and she is pretty tricky. Lets see her outsmart me now
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Lets see you keep up with me now Felice
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That's Wayne and you know it
Matt, I'm a little suprised that a family man like you can participate in the bashing of my nephew and the disgusting garbage that you've been posting aboutmy neice. Have some class would you
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Getting back to the thread in question, here's perhaps the most recent relevant post (imo):
For all you folks who want to really know what your suit jacket guys are doing to keep the lies of the stupid, uneducated dope smoker vagabonds from ever seeing the light of day, read this article.
http://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/co ... news.reads (http://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy?fb_ref=U-jyEbItfjGQfX4aZaIozO1T-CFCONX01FRS-33thvXXX&fb_source=other_multiline&fb_action_types=news.reads)
The shocking truth about the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf
The violent police assaults across the US are no coincidence. Occupy has touched the third rail of our political class's venality.
Excerpts from the article:
"US citizens of all political persuasions are still reeling from images of unparallelled police brutality in a coordinated crackdown against peaceful OWS protesters in cities across the nation this past week. An elderly woman was pepper-sprayed in the face; the scene of unresisting, supine students at UC Davis being pepper-sprayed by phalanxes of riot police went viral online; images proliferated of young women – targeted seemingly for their gender – screaming, dragged by the hair by police in riot gear; and the pictures of a young man, stunned and bleeding profusely from the head, emerged in the record of the middle-of-the-night clearing of Zuccotti Park."
"In New York, a state supreme court justice and a New York City council member were beaten up; in Berkeley, California, one of our greatest national poets, Robert Hass, was beaten with batons. The picture darkened still further when Wonkette and Washingtonsblog.com reported that the Mayor of Oakland acknowledged that the Department of Homeland Security had participated in an 18-city mayor conference call advising mayors on "how to suppress" Occupy protests."
The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.
The No 1 agenda item:
get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process.
No 2:
reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.
No 3:
was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.
When I saw this list – and especially the last agenda item – the scales fell from my eyes. Of course, these unarmed people would be having the shit kicked out of them.
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That's the post I was commenting on when None Ya accused me of calling Obama a nigger. I said I'm "not" calling him a nigger.
That said, Its sad what is happening to this country. The middle class will be gone soon and Obama better do something because white people vote. Middle class people are racist by nature. Its the way we were brought up and no matter what you do some of it stays with you
Thanks for reading if you did
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Give it up Wayne. Everybody knows by now, that ain't Danny.
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Danny is a dirty dealing douchebag. I followed his ISP and tracked it to Hidemyass.com. He posted most of that shit about Allen Bennison
He's fucking deranged
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Justify this to me. No quotes.. No stupid articles.. Use YOUR fucking brain! and justify YOUR chosen stance!
Paul
Paul, I am not sure what is your problem but I am not interested in engaging in verbal warfare. I started this thread with a article a friend of a friend emailed me. I even noted that it was confrontational.
I believe you wrote that you disagreed with the vulgarity, but agreed with the rest of it.. I replied, that your friend was an idiot.
I was trying to drum up conversation for a critical situation happening in America right now. The occupiers and just regular people protesting the unequal distribution of wealth in this country right now.
I did not believe that wealth was to be distributed. Wealth is not a given.. Wealth is created.. always has been.. Now, who are the slaves that we pick to produce it, so taht we have it to distribute, and which and who is all-knowing enough to choose how it is distributed, or perhaps, I should say "redistributed" , as it actually belongs to, whoever produces it.
On several threads I have expressed my opinions on this very subject. I just don't think I am so right that I want to go around and became overly excited about my opinions.
Well, if you don t think that you are RIGHT, then why WRITE, on your numerous threads, and elsewhere.
Good luck.
With?
Paul
PS Who the hell are you, really? You have a facebook page with zero activity other then it's mere creation, and "friending" some people.
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Its a fake profile pretending to be me
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Oh.
And who are you?
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I'm a mystery, like the Riddler getting an enema
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I'm a mystery, like the Riddler getting an enema
It's Felice pretending to be me, pretending to be me
Nice try crazy lady
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I'm a mystery, like the Riddler getting an enema
It's Felice pretending to be me, pretending to be me
Nice try crazy lady
You are OBSESSED with Felice :nods:
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That's because Felice is as sexy as she is intelligent. I admit, as angry as she makes me, I kinda like the abuse
This is Danny, always has been, always will be
BTW, I have a gay fixation on Matt
As long as we're copping to guilt
Thanks for reading if you did
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/0 ... 25860.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/02/occupy-wall-street-un-envoy_n_1125860.html)
U.N. Envoy: U.S. Isn't Protecting Occupy Protesters' Rights
"The United Nations envoy for freedom of expression is drafting an official communication to the U.S. government demanding to know why federal officials are not protecting the rights of Occupy demonstrators whose protests are being disbanded -- sometimes violently -- by local authorities."
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Time Magazine Dec 5 2011 issue: Will be Censored in the United States.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9OLLbC7zFs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9OLLbC7zFs)
This Upcoming issue of Times Magazine will be censored in the United States with a picture dealing with Anxiety, while in other countries it will be dealing with the truth of world crisis naming the issue Revolution Redux.
As Jack Nicholson boldly states in the movie - A Few Good Men...."You can't handle the truth!"
or Can you handle the truth?
It was just reported that jobless claims went down, to "give Americans hope" but do you realize its December, of course jobs go up because people hire part time seasonal help and with the boost of Christmas spending but after flooding the Europe economy with more FED printed money and the 7.7 trillion the FED secretly handed out
There is a major prediction that I agree with at the video end that I think you will all be interested in hearing if you can handle the truth.
This is a commentary on the deception of Media.
Corporate media is manipulating the truth, no new information here.