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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 25, 2006, 08:58:00 PM »
No it was Parksville. The girl that brought that allegation brought a whole laundry list. She did have a hidden agenda for making a lot of the allegations but some things she said were true. The director at the time was a friend of mine and a few years later committed suicide. Now I don't support his choices towards the end of his life but he was one of the good ones that actually cared. What happened to him was a damn shame and this is one instance that I neither forget nor forgive. I have a love/hate relationship with Daytop. They in all probability know who I am because boards like this get monitored all the time. I don't give a damn. There used to be two other web sites that knocked them, one got shut down over some copyright infringement but the one this girl had just disappeared. Don't know what happened with it. Never heard what happened to her either.

What experiences and history teach is this-that people and government never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.

--G.W.F Hegel (1770-1831)


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 25, 2006, 08:10:00 PM »
Ok so keep on hating me...lol. Interesting about that post about that Sullivan County facilty and that laying in graves stuff. I remember that incident and all the hoopla that followed because I just happened to be working at that particular facility at the time so now ya gonna really love me DJ cause you have a real live bona fide witness. I remember it all too well because the person didn't go complaining to some agency the person went straight to Cardinal O'Connor. Now that was something to watch all that squirming. Even though the grave thing never happened it did lead to a huge investigation and it looked at things that were happening there over 10 years. Of course all the big honchos denied everything and left this poor director holding the bag and he resigned rather than to be demoted.

The weavers of linen and hempen cloth, ... may exercise their trades without paying any fine.
-- Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations (chapter X, part II) notes:


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 25, 2006, 07:40:00 PM »
Awwww... I would have known it was you :lol:

You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
easier.
--GW Büsh, Governor of Texas. Governing Magazine, 7/98


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 25, 2006, 01:01:00 PM »
Geez.....Look at all those anonymous posts within minutes of each other. Coincidence? I think not. But at least you finally admitted you were wrong on something DJ.I too saw that thing about the place in Connecticut some time ago and thought it strange that they used the Daytop name but they aren't connected. I do find some of those posts intriguing though, especially the one where CPS investigations fond none of the allegations to be true. Now nobody is that good of covering up rampant abuse no matter how well connected they are. I'd think that there must have been at least one of the so called educated staff that would have come forward during the investigations and said what they saw, unless of course they saw nothing. Oh and I'll ask a simple question this time. What search engine did you use for that toilet seat thing? I used google and yahoo and the only thing I found were posts in this forum

One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.
--Thomas Brackett Reed


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 25, 2006, 09:06:00 AM »
Hey DJ, the Daytop program you referred to in Connecticut is not affiliated with Daytop Village in NY. Now I wonder why you failed to mention that? Maybe thats where the confusion here is. I hope that someone with such a high intellect could have seen that and not have a mental defected mind have to point that out to you but then again maybe you hoped nobody else noticed it. So back to the original question, why didn't you report what you saw to the proper agency?

A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trust either of them
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679737898/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> P.J. O'Rourke


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 24, 2006, 04:03:00 PM »
Lets see now...hmm... I'd think there must have been some agency you were required to report such unethical behavior to, unless of course you don't believe it was unethical to put a toilet seat over a kid's head? I mean c'mon now dude don't tell me you you were ok with letting a classic case of emotional abuse to a child go on without saying something? Mental defect?...nah, just someone thats pissed off right now at somebody that let that go on without saying a word, that is if it really happened. I will say this, if I saw it heads would have rolled, and that would have been after I took the toilet seat and had the staff member who put it there wear it around his or her neck.

Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction- faith in fiction is a damnable false hope.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 24, 2006, 03:35:00 PM »
DJ I think you been hiding with that bag over your head too long. We both know your full of crap otherwise you would have reported what you saw, I mean that's how our last debate started...you claiming you reported something you heard. So if they were having kids wearing toilet seats how come you didn't report that? And if there was a report of a facility that had kids wearing toilet seats you know damn well that would have been splattered all over the front pages of the NY papers. So just answer that question. I mean you are usually the one asking that of others so it should be no trouble at all.

As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.   On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
--H.L. Mencken


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 24, 2006, 02:38:00 PM »
Ya somehow I figured it was you DJ and I'm stating for a fact that you are a damn liar. Now go fetch your lawyers cause I'll prove once and for all what a bullshit artist you are.

The lust for power, for dominating others, inflames the heart more than any other passion
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140440607/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'> Tacitus


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 24, 2006, 02:10:00 PM »
1996 huh. What facility did you work at? You sure it was Daytop cause I worked there in '96 and nothing remotely like that happened.

No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 23, 2006, 10:51:00 AM »
No doubt there were some wacked out counselors and directors when I was working for Daytop. And yes it is one big money machine. Paul, I'm not against what you're saying, I agree with some of it but times change. When I was there in the 90's it was totally different from the early days of the signs, shaved heads, drinking priviledges, etc., and yes it has a ways to go and my hope is that with the new licensing regulations for the staff, they will purge all the old timers and it will get lots better.

For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
http://www.urban.org/authors/travis.html' target='_new'>Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 20, 2006, 09:06:00 AM »
Just wondering if anybody can show me the documentation of this so called 80% success rate. I know while I was there they had research but I believe that the 80% rate was the percentage of people that continued to stay clean from a group that had been clean 5 years. As far as mild pot smokers leaving and getting hooked on heavier drugs and returning there, well they had no reason to be there in the first place. Marijuana is a gateway drug for some and it stands to reason regardless if they went to Daytop or any other program they would eventually get hooked on something worse if they continue to use. What needs to be remebered here that Daytop and most programs like it is a last resort for people that nothing else has worked for.If people are being sent there that don't meet the criteria then yes, it is totally wrong. They should meet ASAM Level III.5 to be accepted there. If not well I'd suggest maybe someone talk to their funding sources and have them investigate it.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. The limit of oppression is determined by the extent of the endurance of the oppressed.
--Frederick Douglas


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Daytop Village / At Core: Too Much Ado About Nothing
« on: January 19, 2006, 09:24:00 AM »
Just a few corrections right off the top of your post. If you're going to give a history of Daytop try to be accurate because if you're not it's a bit difficult for anybody to believe the rest of your message.
First off Monsignor O'Brien wasn't from Brooklyn. He was a priest in Manhattan at the time he founded Daytop. He didn't send anyone to Synanon as you say, rather he formed Daytop after visiting Synanon. As far as Synanon's founder being charged with attempted murder, that is true but Charles Dederich ( Synanon's Founder) pleaded guilty along with 2 associates to assault and attempted murder in 1980, almost 17 years after Daytop was founded.
It is very well documented about the atrocities that happened at Synanon because of it turning into a cult led by Dederich, but although Daytop got its core concepts from Synanon it in no way became the cult that Synanon did.

India Indicas, Mr. Peabody?
-- Sherman


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 17, 2006, 03:29:00 PM »
Actually thats a pretty good statistic that 80% relapse which means 20% succeed, much higher than the 2% national average. As far as non credentialed staff you're probably referring to non college educated staff since all counselor's need to be licensed today. I'll admit it wasn't always like that, but times change. I'm not so sure that that any amount of education can be pitted against life experience but when you combine the two, now you have a good counselor.

It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child.
-- Anonymous homeschooler


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Daytop Village / Tough Love- nonsense
« on: January 10, 2006, 08:48:00 AM »
Maybe something has changed at Daytop that I'm not aware about. When I was there there was no " tough love". It was called responsible love.I've looked at your postings for awhile now and all I can say is get over it and move on. Life is worth much more than holding on to resentments.

Hands that help are far better then lips that pray.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer


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Daytop Village / Has anybody been to Daytop lately?
« on: August 30, 2005, 02:12:00 PM »
A bot???? LMAO!! So I'm one of the programmed huh. Well I guess you just don't know me. Yes I am a Daytop Graduate but far from being programmed or a bot...lol. I said I wasn't going to debate the subject anymore on here but you declined my invitation. I'll just leave you with a few tidbits about the law ( gee do I know anything about law?....LMAO if you only knew) but anyways. Do you know who were the biggest lobbyists for HIPPA?....The insurance industry...but thats a whole different debate. You keep saying that patients mandated by the courts have no rights. We living under communist rule now? There may be consequences to the patient revoking consent in the case of being a criminal justice client but they have the right to do so . May records be used for criminal investigations or prosecutions? Yes, but only after a lengthy hearing process has taken place. Can the therapist initiate the hearing process? Yes, but its called a John Doe hearing for a reason so good luck and just remember if you initiate it and fails I doubt very much anyone else would ever trust to be your client again. Why I haven't responded sooner? Well I have a life and don't spend my whole day sifting through these posts. I'll be in New York in November, maybe we should have lunch. I'll even let you pay since I'm one of those programmed bots that probably makes measly money...LMAOROTF.

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
-- Ashleigh Brilliant


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