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I have barely been on this board in the last several months and there is still the same verbal garbage being spewed. My good God, people.... GET OVER IT!!! I get it, we get, Elan sucked, Elan was hard, a bad bad place, Elan was abusive , Elan has abusive people as staff.     BOO HOO!!! Law suit this, harrassment that... Fact is, Elan isn't going to be shut down because a few disgruntled old residents can't take responsibility for their own actions and deal with what position they put themselves in. (Art, not directed at you.... we all know your DIFFERENT story and how it has affected you.) I agree that Elan wasn't/isn't for everyone, but none of us were saints. SOme of us just had the capabilities to change our outlook instead of wallowing in our own miseries. :cry2:

What is everyones stand on the Terri Schaivo (SP?) case...Just curious!

No, Pete didnt eat or smear shit. Those names were Charles and Armond...at least the two I remember. And I really think we should drop this topic. It is wrong and extremely hurtful to drag people's issues out into the open (if it even happened.) Lets try to treat others' the way we'd like to be treated.
And once again, chicken heart....remove the bag if you chose to say shit like this, so someone who knows you, can post some shit about you that you worked on in men's groups.

Hey I recognize Maryam Arif-Adib in one of these pics. Any idea how she is doing?

I really wasnt patronizing you. I just find your current life more interesting the past. Thats why I asked the questions I did.

Art,
In saying this I mean absolutely no disrespect....but do we have to keep going over and over the fact that you and others were abused. I swear in every one of your posts to people, you feel the need to tell them about this as if you are looking for some kind of validation. I was merely suggesting to accept each others experiences and move on. I don't come on here to preach about how "great" Elan is every SINGLE chance I get.
I get it, we get it....Elan sucked for you. They beat you, worked you, and really damaged your spirit while you were there. Lets begin to talk about more productive things? How are your children? Girls right? Are they in college? How is your life?

I, on the other hand, have a lot of respect for you, Llahsram. I know it wasn't an easy desicion to send your son to Elan, nor were you giving up on him because you did. In fact, I see your move as an act of desperation. My parents were in your same shoes over 10 years ago. I can only imagine now, having 3 small children of my own, how horrific an ordeal it was for you. I applaud you for being in their faces. My parents didn't have exactly that charisma. Not to say that they didn't support me, but I was never questioned about the type of place it was by my folks...Good for You!!
As for Marc Rosenberg, I can assure you, he is NOW a decent man. One of the most influential people during my stay in Elan. As for P. Rowe, I have no clue. I only know him because I was on his cross country team. I didn't care for him, but Im sure, in E7 he helped many students.
No one claims Elan to be a picnic, and No, we don't all understand or appreciate the way Elan use to be. Can we, for future arguements sake just understand that Elan sucked both in the past and still today.
Lets all acknowledge that there were some horrific times at the hands of the same people who are now responsible for saving people.
But lets also acknowledge that the abuse IS gone. They are a different community now, and lets just be grateful for those lives that are changed for the good because of Elan.