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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 15, 2004, 06:53:00 AM
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http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/ (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/)
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No, this is not who I, or any other rational American wants to lead and represent the United States. If you want a better president, pray for the one you have. The Bible clearly directs those who consider themselves to be followers of Christ (Christians) to pray for the leaders in office. The Bible doesn't say, "if you like the leader", rather it instructs us to do it. Period. If you consider yourself a Christian, pray for President Bush. Pray for God to grant him wisdom in making decisions, as they affect us all. As far as that goes, the Bible has a lot to say about the other issues the U.S. is now dealing with. Homosexuality is immoral. Abortion is murder. Oh yes, women do have rights, they have the right to say no to sex outside of marriage. If you are striving to live your life right, and want justice to prevail, vote for President George Bush. It is the American thing to do. God bless America. God bless President Bush. Amen.
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On 2004-08-15 16:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, this is not who I, or any other rational American wants to lead and represent the United States. If you want a better president, pray for the one you have. The Bible clearly directs those who consider themselves to be followers of Christ (Christians) to pray for the leaders in office. The Bible doesn't say, "if you like the leader", rather it instructs us to do it. Period. If you consider yourself a Christian, pray for President Bush. Pray for God to grant him wisdom in making decisions, as they affect us all. As far as that goes, the Bible has a lot to say about the other issues the U.S. is now dealing with. Homosexuality is immoral. Abortion is murder. Oh yes, women do have rights, they have the right to say no to sex outside of marriage. If you are striving to live your life right, and want justice to prevail, vote for President George Bush. It is the American thing to do. God bless America. God bless President Bush. Amen."
that is exactly why church is seperate from state. Get that Neo-Con crap outa the oval office.
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all those vet groups get caught in their lies time and time again. they have no good representation, they'r point is moot since they have no proof or fact; only jealousy and opinions
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http://www.electoral-vote.com/ (http://www.electoral-vote.com/)
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Just an aside. I note that our new holy rollin' friend here brings abortion into the discussion; asif that were some kind of trump card.
I was reading an editorial earlier today about racial disparity and the racial roots of drug prohibitions down through the ages. The author of that article also mentioned something about the abortion issue, in passing, just as an example of how people think (or neglect to think) about the issues they are most passionate about.
Ever wonder why the right to lifers use the most lilly white, blue eyed babies in their marketing? You never see a young brown girl in braids in any of their marketing, do you? How effective do you suppose their marketing would be if they showed an 18 year old black girl w/ four kids, two of them dark complected little boys and the other two rather more fair skinned little girls?
Just remember, folks, the moral majority is, in fact, neither moral nor a majority. The election will come. If the Büsh people try and pretend they won yet again, all hell will break loose. So just pay close attention to local politics. I honestly think we're coming pretty close to the time when various regional communities beging to throw off federal authority.
Hear me people: We now have to deal with another race - small and feeble when our fathers first met them, but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough they have a mind to till the soil and the love of possessions is a disease with them. These people have made many rules which the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.
Chief Sitting Bull, speaking at the Powder River Conference, 1877
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"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator,"
from the mouth of King GW. thats his goal. PERIOD.
"There oughta be limits to Freedom" -- George W. Bush
"He kept smiling and shaking my hand but answered, "who cares what you think?" His face stayed photo-op perfect but his eyes gave me a look that said, if we'd been drinking in some frathouse in Texas, he'd've happily answered, "let's take it outside."
http://www.whitecloud.com/mean_genes.htm# (http://www.whitecloud.com/mean_genes.htm#)"Who%20cares%20what%20you%20think?"
great site by the way all you peeps who hate this admin as much as i obviously do take some time and read up. see the shit spewing from the horses mouth.
SyN
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I love this article. here's a warm up...
"You can't read a newspaper if you can't read," the President said at one point when he spoke about the success his administration has had in teaching children how to read. When responding to a question posed by a Native American journalist on what he thought about the sovereignty of the Indian tribes in the U.S., Bush could only respond with something like "sovereignty is well ... sovereignty, and if you have sovereignty you are sovereign." Say what?
http://www.nydailynews.com/08-08-2004/n ... 88900c.htm (http://www.nydailynews.com/08-08-2004/news/politics/story/220138p-188900c.htm)
just another reason to oust the idiot.
SyN
p.s Cheney was a draft dodger kerry bled for his country.
http://www.mind.net/basile/NationalID3.html (http://www.mind.net/basile/NationalID3.html)
http://www.mind.net/basile/NationalID2.html (http://www.mind.net/basile/NationalID2.html)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/ar ... draft.html (http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/04/03_draft.html)
http://pgoh.free.fr/iraq_guardian.html (http://pgoh.free.fr/iraq_guardian.html)[ This Message was edited by: MrSyNiStEr on 2004-08-16 16:26 ]
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So this democrap jackass ass clown Kerry opposed 87 billion dollars to help protect our troops, basically he doesn't want our troops to have additional ammunition and armor to help fight the war in Iraq.
He also proposed a much much much much much much much more expensive healthcare plan that also wants tax payers to payu alot more to pay for it.
Obviously this man is not fit whatsoever to be a President.Why doesn't his foul mouthed wife let him be President of Heinz Ketchup? At least we know Ketchup would be harmless to tax payers.
Flip flop Kerry, what a joke!
Hell Former President Clinton wont even endorse him and he is anther democrap peice of shit.Ofcoarse the reasons behind that is to have his wife run for President in 2008.
Say what you want about Bush but keep this in mind. Bush is trying to liberate these terriost run countries and make the entire world a safer place to live.If it wasn't for President Bush fighting terroism you might have been the one next to be killed or a loved one.
To bottom line it all, Bush/Cheney will prevail and will be here for another 4 more years, he has my vote....
4 more years
4 more years
4 more years
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"So this democrap jackass ass clown Kerry opposed 87 billion dollars to help protect our troops, basically he doesn't want our troops to have additional ammunition and armor to help fight the war in Iraq."
you dont know what your talking about do you. See people such as yourself who dont care about our country just about war and stealing national products needs to enlist. go and fight if your so into war mongering. Remember 65 percent of roman catholics are against this war as is the pope. Who do you think Catholics listen to more.
Bush has not even talked about Afganistan. Remember them? Osama's people??? the ones who started this war. Why not? Probably due to Osama's family having close ties with the Bush Family.
More police were at the RNC then troops in Afganistan.
Bush barely talks about homeland issues because he knows he has run us into the ground. Whats he gonna say?
Education. More schools have closed in the last 3 years then anytime in history.
He did mention how he was going to help those on medicare, but the next day he raised the premium to a record 17.5 percent cutting off thousands who are on a fixed income.
his no child left behind act flopped.
his idea of putting your social security into the stock market is a joke. Do you really think that has a hope or prayer?
His idea for an Ownership society is just stupid. Most Americans are 10k and up in debt. If you look at his plan all it does is let companies monopolize easier and screw anyone not worth millions.
How about the fact that he has never nor Dick Cheney met with any Union Leaders minority group leaders. Every energy meeting is close doored and those there are hidden from the press. In fact more closed cabinet meetings have happened under this admin the any other in history. Yeah a real man for the people there.
"Hell Former President Clinton wont even endorse him and he is anther democrap peice of shit.Ofcoarse the reasons behind that is to have his wife run for President in 2008. "
Is that why Clinton DID endorse Kerry at the DNC. man get a clue, you ditto head. you probably heard rush foaming and lying from the mouth and beleive him.
"Say what you want about Bush but keep this in mind. Bush is trying to liberate these terriost run countries and make the entire world a safer place to live.If it wasn't for President Bush fighting terroism you might have been the one next to be killed or a loved one."
my cousin's are over there now even though their enlistment ran out months ago. They are fighting for freedom. But as they tell me they arent voteing for Bush Nor anyone in their unit. Many others feel the same way.
anon get your facts straight stop listening to Rush he's too high on crack to know what he is saying.
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Syn do you even watch todays politics on cnn or any other news broadcasts? You obviously don't, because you have no clue as to whats going on in the world., Piss off little boy, go back to the sandbox where you belong. The adults are having a discussion here.
You have no clue about either party, you sit here and make up lies about Bush and probably get your facts from an uncredited webpage. Wake up, grow up, get yourself through puberty before you address an adult on adult topics.
Are there any adults here that would like to continue this debate? I really don't have the time to sit here and argue with someone that has not even completed puberty yet.
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typical GOP baghead. all bark no bite here is a link for everyone of my points.
the pope.
http://www.cathnews.com/news/303/124.php (http://www.cathnews.com/news/303/124.php)
bin laden connection take you pick on a google search or just look here
http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_ ... _w__b.html (http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html)
Bush on education.
http://www.stateline.org/stateline/?pa= ... &id=347004 (http://www.stateline.org/stateline/?pa=story&sa=showStoryInfo&id=347004)
medicare
http://www.lancasteronline.com/pages/ne ... e_premiums (http://www.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/ap/4/medicare_premiums)
ownership society
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1212497/posts (http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1212497/posts)
Bill Clinton endorsment. By the way that statement that Clinton wont endorse Kerry was probably the stupidest lie i've heard in a while.
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/dn ... ge-big-pix (http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/dnc/nyc-bill-speech,0,1751325.story?coll=ny-homepage-big-pix)
So old man wheres your info? I only watch cnn and my local news. you obviously watch the faux news channel they lie as much as Rush so you'd love them. Dont show your ignorance so much, though you have no credability. Now if your simply going to try and smear your way out like your last post then your not an adult nor having a discussion your just trying to smear your way out of looking ignorant. But Since your a bag head Neo con wanna be then can we really expect anything else?
Now get back to your retirement community time to change your diaper
Please respond with facts as an adult would. not your normal drool.
SyN
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Look what he's doing to try to help our youth. Lots of spending to prevent teen suicide. :smokin:
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson White (1832-1918)
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Ofcoarse the Pope will object to war asshole, he even objected to Clinton commiting adultry.If it envolves violence or scandals the Pope will always object.
Just what do you think the Pope's postion was anyways?
I am not gonna even bother looking at your ridiculus links, I could post the same back to counter them, big fuckin deal!
You will see when all the votes are in, Bush will be the winner, and you can take that to the bank!
Cry all you want, but I am sorry to inform you that Bush will be here another 4 more years " Thank GOD" and you will have to work for your handout son.
I support the War and our Troops and consider Bush a Great man.And as far as the attacks on the World Trade center? Blame it on Clinton, that son of a bitch knew of the threat long before Bush became President and did nothing about it. We simply suffered the aftermath while Bush was President.
Question would I have supported Bush if he had not retaliated against the Tower attacks? Probably not, I am glad and very proud of how he is handling this war, and also trying to make the world a safer place for my children and future grand children.
Terrorism must come to an end period.We will not continue to live life in fear for the rest of our lives and our childrens lives.
So for all you people that want to protest the war, what will it take? Perhaps a loved one to be killed? Lets see your song and dance then after your loved one is killed.
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On 2004-09-18 07:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ofcoarse the Pope will object to war asshole, he even objected to Clinton commiting adultry.If it envolves violence or scandals the Pope will always object.
Just what do you think the Pope's postion was anyways?
I am not gonna even bother looking at your ridiculus links, I could post the same back to counter them, big fuckin deal!
You will see when all the votes are in, Bush will be the winner, and you can take that to the bank!
Cry all you want, but I am sorry to inform you that Bush will be here another 4 more years " Thank GOD" and you will have to work for your handout son.
I support the War and our Troops and consider Bush a Great man.And as far as the attacks on the World Trade center? Blame it on Clinton, that son of a bitch knew of the threat long before Bush became President and did nothing about it. We simply suffered the aftermath while Bush was President.
Question would I have supported Bush if he had not retaliated against the Tower attacks? Probably not, I am glad and very proud of how he is handling this war, and also trying to make the world a safer place for my children and future grand children.
Terrorism must come to an end period.We will not continue to live life in fear for the rest of our lives and our childrens lives.
So for all you people that want to protest the war, what will it take? Perhaps a loved one to be killed? Lets see your song and dance then after your loved one is killed."
Don't waste your breath talking to Synaretzky the liquor store stock boy, what does he know anyway? The kid dust's wine bottle's off and stocks shelves for a living for his Uncle's liquor store. His only friend here is Artman.
I propose we get SYN out of his moderating postion here and give this kid a shunting.
This little kid comes in here and starts deleting post's because he envy's Ken Zaretzky, Syn go ask Ken if you can be a moderator over at his site, there is at least 6 people I know from this site that do not like what you are doing here, why do you think we all left and went to another board?
We want you out of here for good, go police Zaretzky's dying website, you two make a great couple.
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What syn is doing over here sucks.Where is this other board?
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John Kerry's Votes For Higher Taxes
Kerry Voted 98 Times For Tax Increases Totaling More Than $2.3 Trillion.
Kerry Voted At Least 126 Times Against Tax Cuts Totaling More Than $5.3 Trillion.
John Kerry's Spending Plans Do Not Add Up
Out Of Kerry?s 133 Campaign Promises, Kerry Has Not Said How He Will Pay For At Least 91 Them.
Out Of Kerry?s 133 Campaign Promises, At Least 21 Are Paid For By Repealing President Bush?s Tax Cuts.
Rolling Back The Bush Tax Cuts Will Not Pay For Kerry?s $2 Trillion In New Spending.
John Kerry Is No Friend Of Middle Class
In 1995, Kerry Voted For A Resolution That Said Middle Class Tax Cuts Were Not Wise. The sense of the Senate amendment, killed on a motion by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), said, "reducing the deficit should be one of the nation's highest priorities, and that a middle-class tax cut would undermine and be inconsistent with the goal of achieving a balanced budget." (H.J. Res. 1, CQ Vote #67: Motion Agreed To 66-32: R 49-3; D 17-29, 2/14/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
Kerry Voted Against The 2001 And 2003 Tax Cuts.
Kerry Has Voted For Higher Taxes On Social Security Benefits At Least Eight Times.
Kerry Even Wanted Kerry To Increase Taxes On The Social Security Benefits Of Seniors Making As Little As $34,000 Per Year. ("The Debate: Sorting Out Fact From Fiction," The Boston Globe, 4/10/96)
Kerry Voted Against Amendment To FY 2004 Budget Resolution That Would Extend $1,000 Child Tax Credit Until 2013.
Kerry Sponsored And Voted For Motion To Kill Marriage Penalty Relief For Couples Earning Less Than $50,000 Per Year. "Kerry, D-Mass., motion to table (kill) the Gramm, R-Texas, amendment ? The Gramm amendment would allow couples with combined incomes under $50,000 a year to claim an additional $3,300 income tax deduction, thus eliminating the so-called marriage penalty for those in that income bracket." Sen. Gramm's marriage penalty relief would have saved taxpayers $46 billion over 10 years. The amendment also would allowed self-employed individuals to deduct health insurance costs on their income taxes. (S. 1415, CQ Vote #154: Rejected 48-50: R 5-49; D 43-1, 6/10/98, Kerry Voted Yea)
Kerry Voted Against Eliminating Clinton-Instituted 4.3-Cent Tax On Transportation Fuels.
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when anon's talk to themselves and agree with themselves and their own posts its pretty lame. Please anon use all your anon power to make me not a moderator any more. Since you dont like it here so much then post elswhere.
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You need to answer my question SYN.
Anonymous users at this site come with a bag avatar and do not display who they are and where they are located, nor provide an address or phone number to verify who they are.
The Screen name SYN, comes with a cartoon character avatar and also does not display a real name, address, phone number, ect.
So why are you a hipocrit? I have revealed more info about me then you have at this site SYN. I have posted in one of my post's where I am from and that is more then you can say.
Why don't I simply create a SN for me @ this site. Why the hell should I? This site allows it and it is too bothersome to keep logging in everytime I visit it.
It appears Syn's job @ this site is a moderator, I guess that makes him an official here. Gee Syn if people posting here anoymously really bother you that much then why not change the policy? Oh thats right, you can't, because you are just a puppet here.
If you are attemping to have a pissing contest with me I do believe I am way ahead of you both in politic's and the game of life.
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"So why are you a hipocrit? I have revealed more info about me then you have at this site SYN. I have posted in one of my post's where I am from and that is more then you can say. "
If you dont know my name as its posted here all the time. Most allready know it thats your problem. I have posted what I do and what town i am in ect.... Its all in this forum scatered and somewhere.But why should I look when you want to know.
Why do you think your some kind of internet bully. Keep trashing on people and trying to intimidate and everything you post wont last. Dont like it stop being a prick or leave. Ask anti to start a forum just for anon cyber bullies. Trying to belttle me or anyone else to make your sick mind feel better wont be allowed dont like it dont post here. Thats the bottom line. Sorry i didnt respond last nite but i had better shit to do then be online. I think you spend to much time online.
Now, onto politics.
Should we delve into the opponents political past. Thats good enough though Bush Is a newbie compared to Kerry. Not only did he serve in nam but he has served in Goverment. Democratic nominee for Congress, 1972; Lieutenant Governor, 1982-85 (elected 1982); US Senator, 1985-present (elected in 1984, re-elected in 1990, 1996 & 2002). Chair, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, 1987-89.
Bush Governor of Texas, 1995-December 2000 (Elected 1994, re-elected 1998). President of the United States, 2001-present (Elected 2000 - 47.9% - 271 Electoral Votes).
wow impressive
but lets talk abouthow Bush is supporting our troops.
"To support the troops, President Bush's 2004 Budget and the Republican-led Congress has:
* Cut $14.6 billion from veteran's benefits over the next ten years.
* Cut $1.5 billion from military housing. U.S. House Representative David Obey attempted to recover $1 billion of this loss by trimming the portion of Bush's tax cut to Americans earning over $1 million per year by 5%. He failed.
* Cut $200 million from public schools on military bases.
* Denies the much-touted child tax credit to nearly 200,000 low-income military personnel.
* Canceled a modest proposal to increase the benefit to families of soldiers who die on active duty from $6,000 to $12,000.
* Rolled back recent modest increases in monthly imminent-danger pay for soldiers (from $225 to $150) and the family-separation allowance (from $250 to $100) for troops in hostile combat zones.
* Refused to consider military tax relief, which would be a great help to military homeowners and parents deployed to combat zones.
* Passed pay raises for some higher ranks, and capped raises for lower ranks.
Regarding some of these patriotic measures taken by the Bush Administration and Republicans, U.S. Army newspaper Army Times wrote: "Taken piecemeal, all these corner-cutting moves might be viewed as mere flesh wounds. But even flesh wounds are fatal if you suffer enough of them."
hows that for a voteing record.
"Bush?s first budget proposed cutting grants to children?s hospitals like the one he visited by 15% ($34 million). His 2004 budget additionally proposes to cut 30% ($86 million) out of grants to children?s hospitals."
isnt that sweet.
Since you only copied and pasted articles i'll do the same. Though our debate is obviously moot since you wont look at facts.
?We're dealing with first-time responders to make sure they've got what's needed to be able to respond. ? ? Bush, 3/27/2002
"Bush had been saying that he was proposing $3.5 billion in ?new? money for first responders. However, his budget tried to cut more than $1 billion out of existing grants to local police/fire departments to fund this. Then, in August of 2002, Bush rejected $150 million for grants to state and local first responders. Bush?s decision prompted the President of the Firefighters Union to say, ?President Bush, don't lionize our fallen brothers in one breath, and then stab us in the back by eliminating funding for our members to fight terrorism and stay safe.? The President of the Virginia firefighters association said, ?The president has merely been using firefighters and their families for one big photo opportunity.?
again kudos for choosing this man.
According to the Associated Press, Bush proposed ?to slash funding 20 percent for the Even Start program, which offers tutoring to preschoolers and literacy and job training for their parents? ? the very program he was touting
this will keep our land secure
"in New Mexico [2/4/02].
The President?s 2003 and 2004 budget provides zero for port security grants. The GOP Congress has provided only $250 million for port security grants (35% less than authorized). Additionally, in August, the President vetoed all $39 million for the Container Security Initiative which he specifically touted."
"Bush?s 2003 Budget proposed a 9% ($476 million) cut to job training programs and a 2% ($8 million) cut to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Similarly, his 2004 budget proposes a $60 million cut to adult job training programs and a total elimination of the Youth Opportunities Grants, which provide job training to younger workers. "
if that doesnt ruin us hows about.
"Less than 6 months after this pronouncement, Bush proposed a budget that would put the government more than $300 billion into deficit. As National Journal noted on 2/12/02, Bush?s own 2004 budget tables show that without Bush?s tax and budgetary proposals, the deficit deficit would decline after 2006, but with Bush?s proposals the deficit would grow indefinitely."
What kind of president doesnt bring up Afghanastan and only Iraq? Then has more police surround the RNC then their are troops in afghanastan looking For Osama Bin Laden. What Kind of President takes the pressure of the man who funded the 9/11 attacks. Then Focuses on Iraq.
such an impressive voteing record and he's only been at it since 1994, and breaking all records of screwing our home land.
Again anon. I have no problem with anon posters. Just the ones who hide behind the bag and act tough tell people to shut up, and threaten people. I dont agree with the anons who slander for lack of anything better to do. And I will delete the posts that do these things. Dont like it try asking Ginger for your own place call it the slander forum where you can spew hate all day. Not here not any more.
You also dont come close to beating me in a political debate. But your man is hard to back up.
Mike Lewandowski
SyN
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You havent even't came 1/4 way of the dirt I pulled up on Kerry. Mr. Flip Flop Kerry has so much dirt under his rug you need a profesional crew to clean it.
You are just a little kid that has yet to experince WHAT I HAVE done in life.Talk to me in about 10 years after you have grown up.
As far as me bulliying and threatening people, where might this be posted?