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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Thayer Learning Center => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 30, 2003, 07:41:00 AM
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Anybody have info on http://www.TeenProgram.info (http://www.TeenProgram.info) the site owned by John Bundy who also owns http://www.TEEN-BOOTCAMP.COM (http://www.TEEN-BOOTCAMP.COM), http://www.TLCPROGRAM.COM (http://www.TLCPROGRAM.COM), http://www.TROUBLEDTEEN.COM (http://www.TROUBLEDTEEN.COM), http://www.WESAVETEENS.COM (http://www.WESAVETEENS.COM), http://www.militaryschool.us (http://www.militaryschool.us), http://www.defiantteenager.com (http://www.defiantteenager.com), http://www.parenthelpcenter.org (http://www.parenthelpcenter.org), http://www.bethel-academy.com (http://www.bethel-academy.com) ...
http://www.TeenProgram.info (http://www.TeenProgram.info) slogan is "The Watchdog of Troubled Teen Schools and Programs", but how can it be a watchdog site if it is owned by John Bundy who owns the for profit business Parent Help, INC.?
People like John Bundy are the individuals who are the driving force behind the tough love industry. Selling and often trading teens to programs all for profit and at the expense of families all around the country.
People have been posting Bundy's websites over on the We've been there forum. Multiple usernames, yet they all look like a cookie cutter praise for Bundy's websites that most likely bring Bundy profit through his Parent Help Company.
Please post any other sites or companies that may be owned by John Bundy.
http://www.teenprogram.info (http://www.teenprogram.info)
Registrant Name:John Bundy
Registrant Organization:Parent Help
Registrant Street1:231 N Mall Dr.
Registrant Street2:Suite M201 B
Registrant City:St. George
Registrant State/Province:Utah
Registrant Postal Code:84790
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.4356279662
Registrant Email:[email protected]
http://www.TEEN-BOOTCAMP.COM (http://www.TEEN-BOOTCAMP.COM)
Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States
http://www.TLCPROGRAM.COM (http://www.TLCPROGRAM.COM)
Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States
http://www.TROUBLEDTEEN.COM (http://www.TROUBLEDTEEN.COM)
Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States
http://www.WESAVETEENS.COM (http://www.WESAVETEENS.COM)
Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States
http://www.militaryschool.us (http://www.militaryschool.us)
Registrant Name: John Bundy
Registrant Organization: Parent Help
Registrant Address1: 231 N Mall Dr.
Registrant Address2: Suite M201 B
Registrant City: St. George
Registrant State/Province: Utah
Registrant Postal Code: 84790
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
http://www.defiantteenager.com (http://www.defiantteenager.com)
Registrant:
John Bundy
Parent Help
231 N Mall Dr.
Suite M201 B
St. George, Utah 84790
United States
http://www.parenthelpcenter.org (http://www.parenthelpcenter.org)
Registrant:
John Bundy
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Business Parent Help, INC.
Business Name: PARENT HELP, INC.
Entity Number: 1394371-0142
Registration Date: 2/2/1998
State of Origin: UT
Address
30 E 750 S
ST GEORGE UT 84770
Status
Status: Active
Status Description: Good Standing
This Status Date:4/16/2002
Last Renewed: 12/30/2002
License Type: Corporation - Domestic - Profit
Delinquent Date: 2/2/2004
Registered Agent
Registered Agent: JOHN H BUNDY
Address Line 1:30 E 750 S
Address Line 2:
City:ST GEORGE
State:UT
Zip:84770
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John Bundy was employeed by WWASP/Teen Help for several years. He obviously learned his tactics there.
He is NOT a watch dog for programs. What he does is sweet talk the parents into thinking he is doing them a great service then turn around an charge them $2,000.00 + to send their kid to a program. For instance, if a program is $4,000.00 per month, Bundy tells the parents the first month is $6,000.00 per month. He doesn't tell the parents that he skims off the $2,000.00 for himself. He is not up fromt and honest with the parents. He is no more interested in what happens to the teen once they get to the "program" then he could fly to the moon. He is only in this for the almighty $$$. Feeding off a families emotions is, in my mind, a travisty!!!!
Bundy is not much better then the PURE scam. PURE tells you they are "free" then turns around and only will refer programs that pay a hefty headhunters fee. Is someone like that looking out for the best interest of the kid or family?? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:
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It's tactics like these that make some people wonder about possible ties to Scientology
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Where did you get the data to tie John Bundy to these various organizations?
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How do you know John Bundy is employed by WWASPS?
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How do you know John Bundy is employed by WWASPS?
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Hmmmm
Bundy, John
415 PIMLICO DR
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790-7435
[email protected]
GRISELMETHOD.ORG
Bundy, John
321N N MALL DR STE M201B
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790
IMATROUBLEDTEEN.COM
Why not call him up and ask him if he was ever a clam? (435) 627-9662
Here's a neighbor, if you wanted to interview them
AMERISTAR NETWORK INC
321 N MALL DR UNIT 102
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790-7302
Ok, here's an interesting hit
L K & ASSOC
321 N MALL DR
SAINT GEORGE, UT 84790
Historically Related Domains:
Total Domains: 9
Domain Expires Domain Expires Domain Expires
DIGITALMORTGAGELOAN.COM 05/30/2002 LOANPOOL.ORG 05/03/2003 MORTGAGELOCATOR.ORG 05/03/2003
MORTGAGESUCCESS.NET 05/02/2004 MORTGAGESUCCESS.ORG 05/03/2003 TEENHELPGUIDE.COM 01/15/2003
VLENDER.ORG 05/03/2003 VNETBRANCH.COM 05/30/2002 VNETBRANCH.NET 05/30/2002
This is more than just a neighbor. This is a former contact for teenhelpguide.com
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Simply ask around in this industry. Close friend of one of the owners of WWASPS. Has 110 kids enrolled in his TLC program - says tuition is $3,800 a month. Kids sleep on the floor for as long as they are in boot camp - 60-120 days? They don't even make arrangements for these kids to have their sleeping bags washed. They don't show that picture on their slide presentation? Wonder why? Oh, they have a new building but the only heat comes from patio heaters. She has postings about the education offered there, but they don't bother to advertise the fact the cadets are DEPRIVED of any education as long as they are in boot camp and their first priority is behavior modification. Willa Bundy has also posted that she has worked closely with the State of Missouri...problem is...I could not find one person employed by the State of Missouri that backs that up? Better check it out.
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I know about the lies and the problems. The bundy's are scam artist. The try to scare people with their lawyer, but in all reality they have to have a good lawyer, to keep everything on the up and up and to keep people from trying to find out to much about them. This is why they are always on the move they don't stay in either states for very long. Neither one of them have degrees that either one can prove. Willa will tell great stories about her super masters degree. She claimed while I was there that several people on the staff were college educated when in all reality. I was the only one, I was told by willa that her husband went to a jr. college but never finished, but on one of the chat forums she claims he has a Bachelors. COMPLETE LIE. Willa bundy is the biggest liar you will ever meet. I Knew everytime she talked to me she was lying, but I would just smile. I stayed working there as long as I could just for the kids. I was eventually let go because I was tired of her lying to kids and I called her out and she became mad and decided it was time for me to go. I saw so much stuff. I wish the Bundy's Could be stopped the biggest problem is they have had so many people working there, if we could all get together we could stop these people from ruining and making there pockets bigger which is all they are really concerned about. They will say whatever you want to make you think they care about you kid, but in all reality they don't. :mad:
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So has anyone heard about child abuse at TLC boot camp? Our son just sent us a letter (not read by TLC) and it doesn't sound too good.
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I've never heard of Bundy before. But the WWASP aka teen help aka family first aid aka struggling teens are all found in the red rock City of St. George. Not surprising that this organization is also from Utah. Utah is the HUB of all abusive teen programs. The industry is protected by all authorities - the ONLY time they take any action is when a child dies (recently a staff member died in an escape attempt). The only regulations for these places are "core rules." A supervisor in licensing in UTAH gleefully told me that these facilities do not need to abide by State and Federal Law or even HIPPA regulations. When I asked him about US Code Title 42 - he said he didn't know anything about that. Here's the supervisor of licensing of facilties in the State of Utah - who doesn't know abuot title 42. He said, "parents need to do their homework and research befor they send their children to a residential program in Utah." I think someone should place a Bill Board on the borders of the state warning people of the institutionalized child abuse that is sanctioned and condoned by the Government.
No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:
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On 2004-04-28 13:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So has anyone heard about child abuse at TLC boot camp? Our son just sent us a letter (not read by TLC) and it doesn't sound too good."
Why don't you go, right now, unannounced and see for yourself?
America when will you be angelic
When will you take off your clothes....
America after all it is you and I who are perfect
Not the next world.
--Allen Ginsberg
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**Here's the supervisor of licensing of facilties in the State of Utah - who doesn't know abuot title 42. He said, "parents need to do their homework and research befor they send their children to a residential program in Utah." I think someone should place a Bill Board on the borders of the state warning people of the institutionalized child abuse that is sanctioned and condoned by the Government.***
No kidding: UTAH Home of the Teen Hurt Mafia
Are you refering to Ken Stettler- Dir of Licensing? He used to be in Youth Corrections. He has a history of overlooking violations. The Aaron Bacon murder being the most flagrant- he 'trusted his fellow saints' to correct the violations. Amazing that the guy has admitted publicly on several ocassions to overlooking violations and he's still in the directors seat. How could that be?
Do you know that DHS promotes Utah Wilderness programs? http://www.das.state.ut.us/cc/dec2002/wilderness.htm (http://www.das.state.ut.us/cc/dec2002/wilderness.htm)
[Photo of Stettler too]
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Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison.
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On 2004-04-28 21:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison. "
Sad, that you have no other options but to keep your child under lock and key in some facility alleged to be abusive. Are you not at all worried that your son could come out of this place in worse shape than he went in? What would that accomplish? Every child deserves the best care and treatment no matter how troubled (or troublesome) they are.
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On 2004-04-28 21:25:00, an anonymous coward wrote:
"Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison. "
If 'here' was your house and you did your job as a parent, perhaps.
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On 2004-04-28 21:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because the kid is a heroine/alcoholic drug addict that lied to everyone. only thing he didn't do was end up in jail or die. od'd twice. expert liar. and no abuse was administered to 'him', he wrote of abuse of other kids. cps is involved and will be visiting soon. guess he is better off here than in prison. "
Well, unless he's a she and is saving kittens stuck in trees, he's not a heroine. I'm assuming you mean heroin, the drug. Addiction to heroin requires medical detoxification. Why did you put him in a school instead of in a hospital?
How do you know no abuse was administered to him? Maybe hasn't gotten around to telling you yet. The fact that CPS is "involved" and plans to visit means absolutely nothing. CPS will only see what the facility wants them to see.
More than anything, though, you're going to need to get over this anger at your child or you're not going to be an effective parent when/if he does come home. That's what amazes me most about program parents -- how ANGRY they are that their kids dared to turn out less than perfect. Maybe if you worried a little less about your feelings and a little more about your child's, you would have been able to resolve his problems at home. I'd be terrified if my kid was addicted to heroin. I would probably be angry at him for being so stupid as to try something he knew was dangerous. And it would hurt me terribly. But I wouldn't think he was the enemy, and I wouldn't view his problems as some sort of personal attack on me. I wouldn't call him names or figure he was better off in an abusive facility than at home.
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you poor folks are clueless about kids on drugs. they don't care about anything else other than themselves. he admitted to lying to everyone around him and that every 'friend' he had was a bad influence on him....funny that the whole world around hi8m is bad, but not him. far as discipline, as a stepfather people say you don't care as much...total lie. i raised him since he was 4 and watch a young man grow up with values. my wife was the one who did not stand up to his lies and drugs. all for her need for his approval. the lies reflect his rebellion, the drugs an aftereffect. tlc is a behavior modification facility that focuses on discipline and respect for sources of authority. if some of you have so much evidence, then get educated and get off your butts and sue them. you just want to whine. my son is staying until he turns 18, then he chooses his life....for good or in prison.
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On 2004-05-09 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you poor folks are clueless about kids on drugs.
No, actually as a group, we're unusually well familiar w/ the issues surrounding kids on drugs, rebellious kids and the various ways our society has gone about trying to deal w/ these issues.
Many of us were in your step-son's shoes and most of us are now the grownups in the situation. I would recomend that you throw yourself into the issue of prisoner abuse. How fortunate for you that the media has decided to showcase this issue for you just at a time when you might be able to use it.
One fact that comes up over and over and over again whenever we talk about prisoner abuse for purposes of interrogation is that information derived through torture is notoriously unreliable.
Now, just for clarification, till you brought it up, I don't think I'd ever heard of TLC Bootcamp by name. So I don't know exactly what goes on there, but I assume it's very similar to other facilities usually described as specialty schools for troubled teens. Having been in a situation where the only way to make the torment stop was to go ahead and "admit" to whatever my jailers wanted me to say, I have less than zero confidence in anything these kids confess to while under duress.
Bottom line, if this kid who you say you love so much is telling you that this place is abusive, believe the kid. If it turns out he's lying, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If it turns out he's telling you the truth and you ignore him, you may well wind up grieving the loss of a child or, as is more often the case, the kid just won't have much to do w/ you once he's able to put some distance between himself and you. That means you miss out on those casual visits, being a part of your grandkids' lives and all the rest.
More's the sorrown for the kid in that scenareo (again, I speak from experience) After all, you still have your TOUGHLOVE hategroup for support and consolation. The kid has to go it alone in the world. That sucks more than anything, believe me. Everybody has their downswings; times when things aren't going right and the whole world just seems hostile and judgment. It's times like these when normal people go home for a dose of that unconditional familial love that sustains us all. For those of us who's homes and families have been hijacked by the TOUGHLOVE hategroup, there is no such refuge.
I am sick unto death of obscure English towns that exist seemingly for the sole accommodation of these so-called limerick writers -- and even sicker of their residents, all of whom suffer from physical deformities and spend their time dismembering relatives at fancy dress balls.
--Editor of the Limerick Times
(Limerick, Ireland)
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DEBORAH: Ken Stettler has moved up in the world! He is now the DIRECTOR of UTAH HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. Never make the mistake of refering to anyone else under his command as a director - BECAUSE HE IS THE ULTIMATE RULER AND DIRECTOR OF EVERYONE NOW LEST YE FORGET. I have actually e-mailed this individual. The last time I mailed him I reminded him that he was a public servant and not a king sitting on a throne (after he told me that my letter was uncivialized - imagine that). I also told him that I knew he was the director because I had read about all the deaths of children in Utah facilities and I've read all of his lame quotes(he now refuses to communicate with me). Sounds like he started out small - what do you know about HRH Ken Stettler? He was a supervisor of licensing? The most recent casualty of licensing these youth facilities was Kelly Husbands (who has since resigned after the death of this staff member in Cedar City) The supervisor who said he knew nothing about US CODE title 42 was L.J. Dunsman.
If anyone wants to email Mr. Stettler about abusive programs in Utah here's his address:
[email protected]
He is a piece of work!In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice.
-- Richard Bach
[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2004-05-09 21:49 ]
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They make changes alright _ LIVING CHILD TO DEAD CHILD. How dare the State of Utah promote these programs when several children have actually died.
Some Teens Make Big
Changes in Wilderness Camps
By Carol Sisco
DHS Public Information
Licensing Director Ken Stettler talks to participant at RedCliff
BEAVER COUNTY - Scott, 17, had a choice. The Kansas City resident picked a desolate Utah wilderness camp in the Wah Wah Mountains over juvenile hall, figuring camp would be the easy way out. It wasn?t.
PROTEST THIS PRACTICE:
email address of Ken Stettler:
[email protected]
In all life one should comfort the afflicted, but verily, also, one should afflict the comfortable, and especially when they are comfortably, contentedly, even happily wrong
--John Kenneth Galbraith
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Read about Stettler (Lic Dir) at these links:
http://web.outsidemag.com/magazine/1095/10f_deth.html (http://web.outsidemag.com/magazine/1095/10f_deth.html)
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/1995/8/seen01.html)
http://www.sltrib.com/2002/Jul/07172002/utah/754298.htm (http://www.sltrib.com/2002/Jul/07172002/utah/754298.htm)
http://www.sltrib.com/2002/jul/07192002/utah/754809.htm (http://www.sltrib.com/2002/jul/07192002/utah/754809.htm)
http://departments.bloomu.edu/crimjust/BOOT.html (http://departments.bloomu.edu/crimjust/BOOT.html)
http://courtlink.utcourts.gov/opinions/ ... r12_98.htm (http://courtlink.utcourts.gov/opinions/appopin/fisher12_98.htm)
http://www.sltrib.com/2002/oct/10122002/utah/utah.htm (http://www.sltrib.com/2002/oct/10122002/utah/utah.htm)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... 9&start=10 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=2224&forum=9&start=10)
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:mad: Speak out now!!! Anyone having any information about Thayer Learning Center PLEASE CALL, 1 (800)632-4747 or 1 (660)632-4747. We all need to ban together to stop this crazy people from ruining our community and our childrens lives. Please CALL!!!
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GET HIM OUT NOW ! OR GO VISIT ! ! ! ! ! AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE AN OFF CAMP OUTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ill pray for him ... you can contact me through private messages if u want to.
Viva
::bwahaha2:: ::blushing:: :sad:
this could be bad. you may want to hurry!
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ST GEORGE UTAH is the 2nd part of ALA it is there and in Kanab! if you need to know any thing about that area i can help ya out!
Amanda
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CPS in Utah, as far as I know, is worse than useless, they're downright protective of these programs. Can anyone tell me of one case in which CPS in Utah investigated an allegation and something came of it?
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CPS is worthless in idaho, utah and almost everywhere else.
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How can they be objective and do their jobs when they PROMOTE Wilderness programs??
http://www.das.state.ut.us/cc/dec2002/wilderness.htm (http://www.das.state.ut.us/cc/dec2002/wilderness.htm)
http://www.das.state.ut.us/cc/dec2002/wilderness2.htm (http://www.das.state.ut.us/cc/dec2002/wilderness2.htm)
Attention should focus around Stettler who has too many times admittedly publicly to ignoring violations because he trusted his 'fellow saints' to do the right thing.
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who is a former employee?? i used to attend thayer learning center...any questions for me... email me at
[email protected]
:wstupid: A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001
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I went to TLC which SGT. Are you???
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I left being Jr. Staff Burnett... my sn is BNetty25... i miss Sgt. orr and hill and fish!!! I talk to vyas and fly!
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i am a parent who sent my son there i wanted him to finish highschool. and work on being so lazy, thast not all of course but you get the idea. Wrong...i was so wrong, its a terrible place, if this is what you need to do for your son or daughter, ok but find something else. your child will be exposed to god kows what. i would give you my email but im a little gunshy as this is my first time to these forums. i just heard about the child that died today thats why im here
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A family member was just sent to Thayer without thorough research being done on the facility, and I cannot convince the parent to heed the obvious warnings about this "school" and I am terrified about the safety and well being of my family member. I want to go there and take them away but I don't have the legal right to do so. How can I convince the parent to reconsider what I think is a fatal error in judgement? If even half of what I have read is true, this is positively criminal and I am heartsick.
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On 2004-12-28 20:40:00, Mrs. Doubtfire wrote:
"A family member was just sent to Thayer without thorough research being done on the facility, and I cannot convince the parent to heed the obvious warnings about this "school" and I am terrified about the safety and well being of my family member. I want to go there and take them away but I don't have the legal right to do so. How can I convince the parent to reconsider what I think is a fatal error in judgement? If even half of what I have read is true, this is positively criminal and I am heartsick.
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Contact ISAC (www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)). They may be able to help.
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Thank you, I will.
I have also heard that the County officials including States Attorney, Coroner and Law Enforcement are part of the cover up conspiracy? Is there any validity to these allegations?
I am appaled that they can believe a 6/4" - 200 lb boy from California can die from a Brown Recluse spider bite... particularly one that causes "drag marks" on his feet and multiple bruises on his body - must have been a very, large spider!!!
I am ready to go in with my own "Marines" and take my family member away from that Mormon cult!
Is there any central organization that gathers all this information and champions these children with a Federal Child Advocate Official?
Kidder/Thayer sounds like it is operated in a third world country. I am terrified for my family member and just can't stop crying.
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On 2004-12-29 08:32:00, Mrs. Doubtfire wrote:
"Thank you, I will.
I have also heard that the County officials including States Attorney, Coroner and Law Enforcement are part of the cover up conspiracy? Is there any validity to these allegations?
I am appaled that they can believe a 6/4" - 200 lb boy from California can die from a Brown Recluse spider bite... particularly one that causes "drag marks" on his feet and multiple bruises on his body - must have been a very, large spider!!!
I am ready to go in with my own "Marines" and take my family member away from that Mormon cult!
Is there any central organization that gathers all this information and champions these children with a Federal Child Advocate Official?
Kidder/Thayer sounds like it is operated in a third world country. I am terrified for my family member and just can't stop crying."
Look, a lot of times the local officials do cooperate or collaborate, or whatever you want to call it, with these facilities.
The reason is obvious---all the kids in these places are stigmatized as "troubled youth" and bad kids and the locals are afraid of axe-murdering juvie psychos (which is how their fears build things up) getting loose in their neighborhoods.
What you need to do is get information from ISAC on suing for custody of your relative.
Pretty much the *only* thing that has been successful in getting *specific* kids out of these places without either the kid turning 18 or the parents deciding to let the kid go is for some blood relative to sue for custody of the kid and present information/evidence to the local family court judge that convinces the judge that the facility is a horrible place to be.
A lady named Paige who frequents this site got a girl, Amanda, who was not her blood kin (but was adopted and not the blood kin of the "parents" either) out of a facility in Mexico when the girl was 17, but you'd need to talk to her about the particular legalities. A judge didn't order it, apparently Paige just managed somehow to go and get her and because Amanda *wanted* to be with Paige, somehow the laws worked out so neither of them can be touched over it. The Mexican authorities have since shut down the facility where Amanda had been.
Don't quote me on it, but I *think* ISAC has some strategy of filing habeas corpus petitions or something with the courts (I don't know how they decide which state they need to file in) and make the facility or the parents or whatever actually physically *produce* the kid in court----and when the kid is produced, if the kid says, "I wanna live with Aunt Jenny" or whatever, usually the kid is old enough that the judge respects the kid's request and assigns custody to Aunt Jenny, who then declines to send the kid back to the facility.
In other words, while you don't *at present* have the legal right to take this kid out of there, as part of the kid's extended family, whether you are an actual blood relative or not, you may well have standing to *get* the legal right to take the kid out of there. ("Standing" means the court will at least think about it if your lawyer makes a good case for whatever it is you're asking for.)
Another possibility is if you can convince other members of yours and the kid's family that the kid's in danger, you may be able to pool your resources and sue together, and a good lawyer may be able to get a judge to sit up and take *very* close notice and even if the judge might not give custody to one of you, he might give it to another.
You don't have to be a non-custodial parent or grown sibling or grandparent or what have you---*cousins* have won custody of a relative in cases like yours, so pretty much *any* kinship to the kid will do for purposes of gettting into court---especially if you get the right judge.
Lawyers have a saying, "A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge." :smile: Not that you *have* to know the judge---but most lawyers that practice in courtroom-type fields of law *do* know the judges in their area. When I got my divorce some stupid judge had ordered mediation for no reason at all--just blanket ordered it on every case that came in front of him. I was all ready to lose it and break down in tears and my lawyer just patted me on the back and told me to calm down and he'd take care of it. He went up and checked that a judge he knew was in, took me up to the judge's office, and bim-bang-bing, with a stroke of the judge's pen my divorce was final and the judge and my lawyer shook hands and exchanged a little smalltalk and we were done.
A sleazy lawyer in the hands of the other guy can be a nightmare.
A *good* lawyer working *for* you can work miracles.
Between ISAC and your local ACLU, you and other like-minded family members should have no trouble finding a *good* lawyer.
ACLU's resources are always overstretched and they won't be able to *pay* for it----but if it's their kind of case (and this is), they can do a great job at helping you *find* a good lawyer that you and your allies can pay. And if your side is willing to work with ISAC and do a lot of the legwork putting together supporting evidence for the lawyer, it may be much less expensive than you might be afraid it would be.
Don't give up. You have a good, solid chance of getting your relative back if you sink your teeth into this problem and hang on.
Timoclea
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I've not had time to read all of these forums. However I would like to speak with someone whom is aware or may be aware if there are any investigations involving WWASP. I am a employee, whom will be giving notice, right after I file reports of neglect that I have witnessed during my very short employment time at a WWASP owned facility.
Please post here with a tele. number or email and I will contact you.
Thanks for your time.
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bump...
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For those of you trying to rescue a child from a WWASP or similar facility, you might want to check this website:
http://www.emancipationproject.org (http://www.emancipationproject.org)
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Well, Chi3 just got her kid out... I wounder if shed be willing to tell them anything.
Shes not here, though, understandably, probably spending some quality time with her kid. :smile:
It continues to amaze me to talk to law students -- college
graduates all and smarter than the average bear -- who will
seriously tell me about how dangerous mj is and how it
destroys the lives of those who use it and who, in the
very next sentence, will tell me how they and their
friends -- now CPAs, engineers, med students -- used
pot regularly through high school and college. And
they don't see the contradiction between these statements.
We're not just talking ignorance here -- we are talking
deep down, serious, religious indoctrination.
--Buford C. Terrell, Professor of Law, South Texas College of Law
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what is your sn BNetty25 on? Where can I instant message you from?
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If you get a letter from your child and discover that the letter the sent sounds bad you should immediately go to the school with policemen that have a warrent for search and seizure. Your child will be in danger of getting hurt if you send him/her there. If you have a search and seizure from the police and go there with them you can all search the grounds to find any maltreatment that is taking place over there. If some is found then the policemen are able to arrest all the staff members there for child abuse.
There have been many reports about the Thayer Learning Center. There was a 15 year old boy who died there within his 2-week stay.
TAKE YOUR CHILD OUT OF TLC SO THEY CAN BE SAVED FROM THE TORTURE AND YOU FROM THE GUILT!!!!!!
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There is absolutely no connection between Scientology and John Bundy. I have been a Scientologist for over 30 years and I can tell you with total certainty that John Bundy is absolutely the opposite of what we believe in Scientology, though he will profess to be otherwise as this site will clearly state. I am sure that John and Willa Bundy are very very dangerous people and I will be working hard to shut down their business and keep them away from kids forever.
contact me if you desire and I will respond.
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