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Aspen Education Group / Re: Programs In Behrens Study Charged with Abuse
« on: November 12, 2010, 11:04:23 AM »
Quote from: "Troll Control"
The marketing campaign is polished, it just lies about the study results.

And the study clearly states that the length of stay has no effect on the outcome.  The obvious conclusion is if the results are the same, keep the stay as short as possible and the cost as low as possible.  It's a stunning find by Behrens that there's no diference in outcome for kids who left early against program advice and kids who stayed for the full program.  Kinda blows holes in the whole "kids who don't finish the program fail" theory, huh?  You've said that many times.

Aspen didn't like the results of "phase two" showing marked and rapid deterioration of ex-attendees, so they never published it.

Not to mention that several of the "schools" studied were closed for abusing kids.  Aspen's marketing team suggests that abusing kids is "helpful" and it "improves" the children.

Google "Behrens study" and see what comes up.

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More fraudulent fabrications from Whooter to promote Aspen Ranch.  He pretended to be a "successful grad" in this episode.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
« on: November 12, 2010, 10:58:05 AM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Another son, huh?  Well well well.  What do we have here?

 :roflmao:



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Quote from: "Peg Sympson"
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated.  He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates.  He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name.  So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.

A friend of my son was this way.  He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life.  To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him.  Violence is just ingrained in some people.  Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it.  It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.

Just more lies and fabrications from Whooter.

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Open Free for All / Re: Whooter's PM's
« on: November 12, 2010, 10:56:36 AM »
Quote from: "psy"
Whooter was banned for 7 days because he consented to the terms of a PM restraining order and then violated it.  He consented to his own banning.

Correction:  Whooter was banned for seven days because he was warned this would happen if he continued to harass me via PM.  He continually denied on the open forum that he was prohibited from PMing me without being banned.  I challenged him several times to PM me and see what happens.  He punked out because he knew he was lying about being warned not to do it.  Eventually, as always, Whooter's lack of self-control got the better of him and he began obsessively harassing me via PM once again and he was immediately banned for it.  His consent had nothing to do with anything.

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Open Free for All / Re: Whooter's PM's
« on: November 11, 2010, 02:22:37 PM »
Whooter has a little obsession with PMs.  He keeps sending them to me even though I have never responded or sent him one.  He has sent me, literally, hundreds of them, sometimes dozens in a single day while he pretends out in the open forum to be cool, calm and collected.  Privately, it's a different story though.

Whooter's obsession with me finally caught up to him and now he's banned for harassing me continuously.

Bye-bye, Whooter, you sick, twisted fuck.  You'll have to abuse some real live people around you for a while since you can't abuse people here on Fornits.  Your remaining live child is probably catching the brunt of it, poor kid.  But maybe you can use this as an opportunity to reconnect with your family that you neglected for the last five years by posting on Fornits 12-18 hours per day, every day.

Straight out: "Ha,Ha,Ha"!!!

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Program Haiku: How was it for you?
« on: November 11, 2010, 11:18:27 AM »
The program is done

Whooter tried to bring it back

Now Whooter is banned

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Open Free for All / 3 Times Banned from Fornits - Whooter
« on: November 11, 2010, 10:08:50 AM »
Better watch your compulsive behavior now, Whooter.  Or you can just start PMing me again.  How did that work out for you?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Whooter Banned for Continuous Harassment
« on: November 11, 2010, 10:02:03 AM »
He's not going to be able to explain anything for a while, RB.  Whooter began harassing me via PM yet again after he was warned and threatened with banning.  He's not going to be here for a bit.  He's cooling his heels for a week.

Be on the lookout for his socks, though.  He can't make it a week without posting, so he will definitely be using his socks.  Be sure to report any post that is made by a banned Whooter so we can keep the ban going.

Bye-bye, Whooter!  :roflmao:  :twofinger:

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« on: November 10, 2010, 03:36:14 PM »
Speaking of lying bigots...

Quote from: "Whooter"
They (gays) started having sex with each other in San Fransisco which caused the Aids Virus which proved that homosexuality was unnatural and needed to be treated like a disease.
:o  ::puke::

I have to hang around here to expose the bigotry of people like Whooter as well as their arrogant hypocrisy.  This guy is as ignorant and bigoted as they come.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Public School Abuse
« on: November 02, 2010, 04:13:49 PM »
So then why is it in the "TTI" forum, gatekeeper?  It should be moved to the OFFA.  

You're right, Anne.  It has nothing to do with the TTI and was posted in the wrong forum.  The mod should move the thread to the appropriate venue and stop trying to stifle debate about the TTI in the TTI forum.

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Obviously, many kids are forced by the program to lie.  If they don't lie and say everything is peachy, they're being helped, treated humanely, etc, they get punished until they learn to lie about their treatment in order to avoid the punishment they receive when they tell the truth.  Lying is induced by the program and becomes routine.

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Lots of Whooter fabrications below designed to promote programs or attack the credibility of abuse victims.


Link to where TheWho admits he is john Reuben

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John must be too busy enSlavingTeens right now to answer.

Yes, he takes gubmint dollars (your tax dollars) and uses them to imprison youths privately at various quack-holes.

Why is that a crime? They use tax dollars for far worse things than imprisoning youths.  At least they are kept safe here.  Imagine if they were shipped overseas with private funding where people hate Americans.  You would see abuse on a whole new level. All my work stays within the confines of the US borders... no 2nd rate programs.

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Here Whooter confirms his son went to his wife’s funeral.

Quote from: "TheWho"
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John, why do you send kids to places like HLA where your own child was prevented from visiting his dying mom and not allowed to go to the funeral either?  Why should anyone trust you?  Please explain yourself.

I would really like to hear this answer.

It says it right here.  And many other places.

I did read that one.  But how do we know he wasnt allowed to attend the funeral?

Max went to the funeral, no need to worry.  They are just trying to make programs look bad.  Keep in mind you are on fornits.

How would Whooter know this?  Unless, of course, as he previously admitted, he is the kid’s dad.


Here Whooter, posting anonymously until his posts were linked, accuses Ajax13 of being a porn-watching child abuser.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "ajax13"
JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide.  Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital.  The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits.  ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past.  Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention.  I don't have any questions for Dean Vause.  He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction".  I am not interested in hearing what he has to say.  AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead.  Pick up that phone and call the live one.

Thank you for updating us.  Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.  
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight".  The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that.  He may not even have a drivers license.  You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts.  As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.


Now go spend some time with your kid.  Turn off the porn and  let him have a normal childhood for a change.  If  you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.

And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.


Here Whooter says Ajax13 is molesting his won son.  Whooter is obviously a sick freak doing a lot of projection.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "ajax13"
JD, since you killed your son, you can't have contact with him at all, moderated or not.  Your mania, stupidity, ignorance and laziness seem to be in an epic battle for dominance.  Who will win JD?  Will your next post be shameful because it's rooted in stupidity, ignorance, laziness or your inability to think rationally when your compulsions are driving you?

why are you obsessed with this JD guy?  It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night.  We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.

You are sick Ajax13.  Stop molesting and abusing your son.  Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family.  Its only a forum.  Leave your kid in peace.


here Whooter invalidates all who were abused at RTC’s.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""Guest""
How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.

Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors.  Surviving what?  A cush stay at RTC?  Its an insult to people who actually survived something.


Family member Harvard Fellow and EdCon??

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""dishdutyfugitive""
You seem to have an explanation for everything.
Hey, not very nice
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What is ASR?

Academy at Swift River

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Suws is a short wildneress program right?
Yes
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Did your daughter graduate?

Yes
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Has she ever shared her negative experiences with you in detail?
Well, we have spoken about it quite a bit and she shares her experiences with me.  I ask a lot of questions especially after what I have read about here on fornits.  I ask her about counselors that she liked and ones she didn’t and why.  Has she ever seen anyone severely punished or had food withheld, put into restraints or placed in isolation, forced to disrobe in front of the other students etc. and she looks at me like I have two heads.  ASR wasn’t anything even close to what people on here talk about.  She enjoys talking about and wonders how some of her friends would have turned out if they had gone there also.

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Did you use an educational consultant?
No, I have a family member who specializes in child psychology and children’s issues, is a fellow at Harvard University and he recommended ASR.


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Have you made a list of good schools?
No I haven’t
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What do you think differentiates the good from the bad?
Wow, I am really not qualified to speak technically about the differences.  But I would say the model the school employs.  If the school is taking a clinical approach, is listening to the feedback from the graduates and parents and are willing to adjust their rules and make changes based on parental feedback and to continuously evolve then this would be a school I would want to send my child to and would recommend to others.
I would not recommend a school who had guards who beat the kids, placed kids in restraints, forced them to walk around naked, with held food etc.  I would not consider these at all for anyone.  These schools are a good candidate for regulation.


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In this installment Whooter is back to accusing Ajax13 of sexually abusing his own child.  Keep it classy, Whooter.

Quote from: "Whooter"
If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy.  There are thousands of them.  I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC.  The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually.  At least mine has some credibility.

As Whooter continues to lose the argument, he continues to post over and over that Ajax13 sexually abuses his own child, even “QFTing” himself saying it, all anonymously, of course.


Here Whooter is posing as an Aspen Ranch “graduate” and telling people not to tell him he’s lying.  Well, I guess that makes it believable then?  Fail, Whooter.  Fail.

Quote from: "Whooter"
I just recently left Aspen Ranch (during the July parent week), graduating as a Rider. I was there for over 16 months! The substance abuse counselor was my primary therapist! I had a lot of problems going there, personal as well as a fucked up family. I've now ben home for 3 months and am doing great. I haven't relapsed or really even considered it.

Aspen was a great place! We didn't get pizza from the local place once a week, but we did get it on parent week and for special occasions. The food wasn't great but it was certainly bearable (and I'm picky!). The staff was AWESOME (most anyways), they were very caring and devoted. There have been MANY changes in staff and rules in the past 6 months there as well, so check it out! Sure I had my rough times, everyone does! I would defenitely recommend it if you're kids having a rough time, but be sure to check it out before to see if you think your kid would be a good fit.

And to whoever posted about seeing kids doing pull-ups with a man with a radio....he was the personal trainer! I was in Personal Training for over a year there and it helped a lot! I've never heard a complaint about PT, kids can sign up for an extra fee through a past navy seal who really pushes you hard! And there's a LONG waiting list.

Thanks, and please no one tell me I'm lying....when I left I was 2nd in seniority out of everyone there at the time! And to those parents who have kids there now...I wouldn't doubt if I knew them!


And a bit later in the thread Whooter poses as a parent with a kid at Aspen Ranch while singing its praises.

Quote from: "Whooter"
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.

A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.

I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.


And after he’s called out by another poster he bashes them for calling his phony story “fictitious” which it was, 100% ficticious.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "John David Reuben"
the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.

A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.

I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.

John Reuben keep your fictitious "accounts" coming.

So fornits has finally reached the point where parents and survivors stories which are not negative are just tossed aside as fictitious.   "Lets tighten things up and only allow the battered few thru the door!!!"  Ha,Ha,Ha  Finally got you to admit it...... its a good first step.


And he goes on further to suggest 99% of survivor stories are fictitious, right after he’s caught phonying up a “success story.” You can’t make it up, folks.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Latches"

It is a good first step that you're finally able to acknowledge those who were battered. The next would be for you to comprehend that that number is far more than a few.
Helpful to that end would be you’re considering the various kinds of injuries caused to children in programs.

Not all are as physical violence. Assaults like rape and battery do happen in programs, as well as imposed stress positions, prolonged physically exhausting exertions (death marches for some) and inadequate or even no proper medical care.
In addition to these injurious violations of children the damages accrued from dehumanizing humiliations and infliction of emotional abuse and destructive thought reform tactics are very real, very pervasive in the TTI, and completely unnecessary to extending guidance to children.

99% of those accounts are fictitious.  We all know that the kids are helped at these places.... kids here post to blow off steam, its healthy for them but dont rely on the accuracy of the posts.

Here Whooter admits he sent a son, not a daughter, to a wilderness program.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Guest"
Speaking of wilderness programs and sex, it happens all the time... at least when I was there it did. Its not like they handed out condoms so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the girls go home from wilderness with a whole new set of issues brewing inside them. I never saw a wild tribe like orgy until I was in wilderness, and don't think the staff don't join in. Parents have no idea what happens out there, it was insane.

Thanks guest,I knew it wasnt as bad as people were saying here.  The kids do have fun on these trips, I kind of thought that.

Your welcome, my son really liked it and would like to become a counselor some day which has motivated him to study harder.


Whooter admits starting a program referral business while responding to the name “John.”

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"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

This marketing spin makes me nauseous.  We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John.  I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line.  You disgust me, sir.

Of course you are nauseous.  That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture.  You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people.  People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe.  Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives.  But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path.  The parents should have been more involved all along.  So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem.  This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:

1.   It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2.    You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.


You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking.  This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people.  Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good.  I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation.  It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.

As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash.  By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge".  Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.

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Tacitus' Realm / Re: Do programs lie?
« on: November 02, 2010, 10:07:46 AM »
"Do programs lie?"  Hell yes, they do.  It's part of their business model.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Public School Abuse
« on: November 02, 2010, 10:06:27 AM »
When I was a senior in HS I had sex many times with my English TA who was a sophomore at Vassar college.  It was great.  Plus we smoked a lot of weed and got drunk quite a bit at her apartment.  Some would call this "abuse," but I would call it "great."

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