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Tacitus' Realm / SOCIAL SECURITY FOR THE BOYS ON THE HILL
« on: March 24, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!
KEEP IT GOING!!!!

2008 Election Issue!!

GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC. SEC.
This must be an issue in "2008 ". Please! Keep it going.

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SOCIAL SECURITY:
(This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.)

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.

Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.

You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their
 


own benefit plan .

In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan.

For all practical purposes their plan works like this:
When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.

Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments..

This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.
 

Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives.

Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....

This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;

"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!

>From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into,-every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement.

Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator! Bill Bradley's benefits!
 

Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.

That change would be to:
Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us
then sit back.....
and watch how fast they would fix it.

If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve.

How many people can YOU send this to? Better yet.....
How many people WILL you send this to??

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / 13 steps
« on: December 21, 2004, 05:55:00 PM »
1. We admitted that we were powerless over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable?.and we are totally fine with that.

2. We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity?
but figured if a Power could do that, then it could easily create a Flinstone's chewable, liver rejuvenation pill.
 
3. We made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him?as long as he is buying.

4. We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves?
and promptly lost the paper work.
 
5. We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our
wrongs ?right before our flight home from Vegas.

6. We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character?
but then we realized how boring we?d be and decided against it.

7. We humbly asked  Him to remove our shortcomings?. and the brain cells that control the  hangovers.

8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed,  and became willing to make amends to
them all?if only they hadn't deserved it.

9. We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would
injure them or others?or somehow make us look like Animals(the idiot that posts here).

10. We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it?except when discussing sports, religion, politics and who bought the last round.

11. We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as
we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out?but after all that seeking we were parched and figured a really good bloody- mary could do pretty much the same thing.
 
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to addicts, and to practice these principles in all our affairs?but the first few addicts were real downers so we decided it was better left alone.

13 Stop whining and just deal with it in the morning like the rest of us.

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Tacitus' Realm / 9/11 Bill
« on: December 07, 2004, 02:59:00 PM »
ACTION ALERT

December 7, 2004


If you were a member of Congress, would you vote "yes" on a 3,000 page bill that you never had a chance to read?  Most reasonable people wouldn't.  Most reasonable people would want to read and study legislation before deciding how to vote; especially legislation as monumental as the intelligence reorganization legislation or the so-called 9/11 bill.

And monumental it is.  The legislation would greatly affect various intelligence and military agencies and procedures; financial systems; international relations; not to mention civil liberties.  In addition, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the legislation will cost $14.4 billion to implement between 2005 and 2009.  That's $14.4 billion on top of the normal annual budgets for the various governmental agencies involved.

Yet this monumental legislation will be voted on by members of Congress without those members having had time to read, let alone study, the bill.  It's just after 2:00 p.m. ET on Tuesday, December 7th.  The U.S. House is expected to vote on the 9/11 bill sometime today or tomorrow.  But at this moment, there isn't a copy of the final bill available for House members to read.

So, is there a provision in the bill to establish a national ID?  No one seems to know.  Or at least the people who do know aren't saying.  What else is in the bill that the select few in Washington are keeping secret?  Who knows?  Anything could be...and that's the point.

Remember how passage of the Patriot Act was handled?  Members had only two to three hours to read the final 400-page bill before they had to cast their vote.  The legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security was handled in the same way.

So, here we go again.  Everyone is talking about this monumental legislation as if they've read it.  News reporters, commentators, political analysts, think tanks; 9/11 families; and yes, members of Congress are busy sounding off as experts trying to convince the American public that Congress should pass it.  Have any of these people actually read it?  Their opinions are just based upon someone else's opinions that are based upon other people's opinions and so on.

The House version of the intelligence reorganization bill is in two volumes.  Volume 1 is 1,778 pages.  Volume 2 is 1,586 pages.  How many pages are in the final conference report and what exactly has been added or deleted at the last minute?  Well, as of 2:00 p.m. ET, the final report is not available for members to read.  But the vote on that enormous bill will be held within hours.

We urge a "no" vote because we believe the bill has a national ID provision in it.  In addition, we urge a "no" vote, simply because members of Congress should know what the bill says in print before voting on it.

To send your message, go to
http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/ ... 51&type=CO

Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org

[ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2004-12-07 12:00 ]

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Tacitus' Realm / Why is America hated in the Arab world?
« on: October 15, 2004, 02:22:00 PM »
That's an idiodic statement. These heathens attacked America, not Bush. They have been attacking American's around the world for the last 25 years. Did we blame Carter (and the Democrats) for Iran Hostage Crisis? I don't seem to recall that as the case. Although, I do recall they were releaed as soon as Regan took office. The people that profess to hate America or American's do so out of ignorance and long lessons of idealogical hatred. Don't fool yourselves people, with pithy quotes and diatribe. It's not about the typical political bullshit now. It's about the life or death of America, American's and Freedom. I have relatives in Iraq fighting for this cause. They believe in it. They see firsthand the good it has done for many (the vast majority) of Iraqi countrymen. Iraqi countrymen who now take up the fight for their land, and for their childrens freedom.

So, what would you liberals have us do? Go back to the way it was? Let the French and Germans and Russians and Syrians suck millions of dollars out of all of our pockets through UN bribes and fraud? All while the UN turns their back on the US. Why, because the US is a big ole bad bully? Call us what you want, we've got a job to do. I'm grateful that the whining pussies in the media and the DNC aren't the men/women we had to rely on 50 years ago.

Would I like stem cell research? Sure!
Do I care if gay people marry or form a civil union? Of course not!
But, in this market, there is one main concern and that's the future of our country and our way of life. Call me extreme....but so are the ones coming after my family and yours.

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Tacitus' Realm / My Father, I am ashamed!
« on: October 15, 2004, 01:58:00 PM »
Little Zed was in his 4th grade class when the teacher asked the
children what their fathers did for a living.
All of the typical answers came up - fireman, policeman, salesman, doctor,
lawyer, etc. Zed was being uncharacteristically quiet, so the teacher
asked him about his father.

My father is an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes of all his
clothes in front of other men and they put money in his underwear.
Sometimes, if the offer is really good, he will go home with some guy and
make love with him for money".

The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly sent the other
children to work on some exercises and took little Zed aside to ask
him, "Is that really true about your father"?

"No", said Zed, "He works for the Democratic National Committee to elect
John Kerry, but I was too embarrassed to say that in front of other kids".  ::drummer::  ::drummer::  ::drummer::  ::drummer::  ::bangin::  ::bangin::  ::bangin::  ::bangin::  ::rocker::  ::rocker::  ::rocker::  ::rocker::

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Tacitus' Realm / Why I am voting Bush
« on: October 08, 2004, 02:49:00 PM »
Ironically enough, I sure hope to hell that Kerry
isn't elected. Not out of any love of Bush, but
for the following rationale:

Right now the Civilized World is engaged in a war,
a SOG-war, with every Vandal on the planet. Millions
of the mindless sumbitches.

Don't call them Islamists, even, for these are people
who truly hate and fear and cannot abide Civilization,
in any form. The hate and fear education, women,
outsiders, anything vaguely approaching civil rights,
the rule of law--excepting whim and might makes right,
science, music and culture. They need to die, and the
sooner, the better.

Bush will have them killed, to a greater or lesser
efficiency. Kerry will deplore them killing Americans.

Kerry will complain, he will cry, he will whine, he
will insist, he will try to appease them by apologizing,
he will try to bribe them with money, he will try this
and he will try that.

Finally they will piss him off so much, not by killing
Americans, but by flouting his WILL, that he will order
the Pentagon to "make them stop that!"

No strategy, no tactic. Just "make them stop!"

The Pentagon will look around and say to itself that
"this guy is a luser. he wants us to stick our dick
in the fire, take credit and blame us if WE win, and
blame us if WE lose. he won't give us the support we
need, will impose a bunch of stupid conditions on us,
and will let congressmen tell us to do stuff based on
what *they* think, after looking at whatever god-
forsaken hole they've sent us to FOR ONE HOUR."

"Fuck that noise," the Pentagon will conclude.

"make them stop!", he will whine all the louder.

How do I know this? Because that is the same SHIT
that JFK, LBJ, Jimmy Fucking Carter, and Bill Fucking
Clinton pulled.

At least I strongly believe, that if Bush is in charge,
we will live in a police state with dumbass drug laws
and spies everywhere and no pr0n or nekkid dancin';
but he WILL get the Pentagon to KILL WOGS like there
is no tomorrow.

And yes, all his big military-industr'al-big awl
buddies will make out like bandits, and Jesus will
figure prominantly in domestic policy decisions, and
annoying bullshit like that will be the rule of the
day, BUT

the Pentagon will be KILLING WOGS like there is no
tomorrow.

And that is reason good enough to prefer Bush over
Kerry.

Now lets see how long it takes for someone to lose their fucking mind over this post.

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Tacitus' Realm / John "F" ing Kerry
« on: October 08, 2004, 02:33:00 PM »
So this is why he picked Edwards, looks like there are going to be some hot times on air force one if Kerry wins.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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Tacitus' Realm / Kerry quotes
« on: October 08, 2004, 02:18:00 PM »
Looks like Kerry says as many stupid things as Bush....and some of you think he is smarter. He sounds a lot like Dubya to me. This is in no way a plug for Dubya but just shows our lack of a true intelligent choice this election.




"Today a car fueled by hydrogen costs up to a half million dollars." - John Kerry, A Call to Service, page 167.

"My goal is to put 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles on the road by 2010 and 2.5 million by 2020. - John Kerry, A Call to Service, page 167.


"I commanded a naval gunboat patrolling the Mekong Delta. Then when I came home after two tours of duty, I decided that the same sense of service demanded something more of me." - John Kerry, A Call to Service, page 3. (Two Tours?) more like 1, 4 months and a tour was 12 go figure

"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
- John F. Kerry  

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
- John F. Kerry  

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
-  John F. Kerry    

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
- John F. Kerry  

"The future will be better tomorrow."
- John F. Kerry    

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
- John F. Kerry    

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
-  John F. Kerry  

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
- John F. Kerry    

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
- John F. Kerry    

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
- John F. Kerry  

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
- John F. Kerry  

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
-  John F. Kerry  

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and  water that are doing it."
- John F. Kerry    

"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
- John F. Kerry

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Tacitus' Realm / Fact Check
« on: October 05, 2004, 05:22:00 PM »
A Kerry ad implies Cheney has a financial interest in Halliburton and is profiting from the company's contracts in Iraq.  The fact is, Cheney doesn't gain a penny from Halliburton's contracts, and almost certainly won't lose even if Halliburton goes bankrupt.

The ad claims Cheney got $2 million from Halliburton "as vice president," which is false. Actually, nearly $1.6 million of that was paid before Cheney took office. More importantly, all of it was earned before he was a candidate, when he was the company's chief executive.

http://www.factcheck.org
all kinds of interesting stuff on both candidates, check it out

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Tacitus' Realm / Troops favor Bush over Kerry 4 to 1
« on: October 05, 2004, 09:22:00 AM »
Troops Favor Bush over Kerry 4-to-1
A new poll conducted by the Army Times Publishing Co. said, U.S. troops favor George W. Bush over John Kerry for President, 4-to-1. Out of 4,000 polled, a staggering 73% of servicemen said they would vote for Bush if the election were held today. A meek 18% preferred a Kerry administration.

Two-thirds of those polled pointed to Kerry's anti-war activities in the 1970's as the main reason for their fervent Bush support.

The Kerry campaign, who has consistently touted military support, is sure to take a public relations bruising because of the survey results.

During the 2000 election, military servicemen backed Bush over Gore 2-to-1.

Additionally, morale amongst active duty servicemen is very high with 73% stating that they would re-enlist if needed.

Here is the link
http://hundredpercenter.blogspot.com/20 ... -to-1.html

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Tacitus' Realm / Kerry Call Bush's SSI Privitization a rip off
« on: September 22, 2004, 11:43:00 AM »
Once again another dumbass politician (John Kerry)
gets all defensive and ignorant over the suggestion of privatizing social security. Claiming the only people it will help is special interests. Hell all those morons dems and repubs alike are in the pockets of special interests. Funny how social security is good enough for Joe six-pack but not the
elitist snobs up on the hill. If you put your own doe in mutual funds or roth IRAS you would have far much more to retire on and you would get all of it back if not for yourself to leave to your family. The fact that are law makers do not participate in the social security program raises enough flags on the fact that it is a corrupt system. This is a fantastic idea if it could ever get past the house we would all be better off contributing to our own retirement instead of contributing to those idiots up on the hill to rob the SSI system and load the coffers with IOU's as they have done in the past

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.ph ... curity.inc

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Tacitus' Realm / Kofi Annan
« on: September 21, 2004, 10:24:00 AM »
The leader of the UN, Annan or anyone else, acts as a mouthpiece for dictatorships. The UN has one criteria for becoming a member: you must be a nation. Period. Not a free nation, not a non-socialist, not non-communist, not non-dictatorship, simply a "nation". This means that criminal states like Iraq, Syria, Lybia, and North Korea have equal say in human rights, individual rights, and world policies. The UN wants to form their own militray and collect taxes the world over. I want no part of them and neither should the freedom loving nations of this world. Sorry, Lybia as the director of the UN human rights council is a crime. If you remember your history, never has the US asked for UN "approval" of their military actions until Bush Sr. changed protocol and asked the UN for advice on the Kuwait situation. His actions were unprecedented; the US has no need to ask anyone's permission to defend themselves.


Fortunately, our leaders have rejected the urging of the U.N. pushers, and the United States is still a sovereign nation. It is now extremely clear that the U.N.'s goal is to amass power superior to the sovereignty of all nations. Kofi Annan's remarks indicate that he believes the U.N. has that power, if not in fact, by virtue of public support.

Once again, Congressman Ron Paul has introduced HR1146, the American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003. This bill will withdraw the United States from the United Nations.

Some people bitch and complain about the taxes we pay now , If any of you UN loving idiots think we pay alot of hard earned dollars now what do you think would happen if we were stupid enough to follow the heard on this one. The US already foots most of the bill for the UN and it would only get worse and at OUR expense. Ron Paul Rocks!!!!!
Keep up the good work, we need a guy like this as President.

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Tacitus' Realm / Gotta Love this
« on: September 20, 2004, 11:02:00 AM »
46,000 Voters Registered Both In Fla., NYC
By RUSS BUETTNER New York Daily News
Published: Aug 25, 2004


NEW YORK - With debate over the 2000 election still raging, thousands of people illegally register in both New York City and Florida.

Some 46,000 New Yorkers are registered to vote in both New York City and Florida, a shocking finding that exposes both states to potential abuses that could alter the outcome of elections, a New York Daily News investigation shows.

Registering in two places is illegal in both states, but the snowbird scandal goes undetected because election officials don't check rolls across state lines.

Officials in both states acknowledge that voting in multiple states is something of a perfect crime, one officials don't have the means to catch.

Florida Secretary of State Glenda Hood, the state's top election official, indicated she was troubled by the newspaper's findings but is leaving it up to local election supervisors to resolve any issues raised.

``I am very concerned,'' Hood said. ``It is against the law to be registered in two states, and any type of action that needs to be taken because people are breaking the law must be taken.''

The newspaper's investigation also found:

* Of the 46,000 registered in both states, 68 percent are Democrats, 12 percent are Republicans and 16 percent did not claim a party.

* Nearly 1,700 of those registered in both states requested that absentee ballots be mailed to their home in the other state, but that did not raise red flags with officials in either place.

Efforts to prevent people from registering and voting in more than one state rely mostly on the honor system.

``There's no extensive investigation normally on a voter registration form,'' said Steven Richman, general counsel for the New York Board of Elections. ``We accept it at its face value.''

Eliminating the potential to vote in multiple states would require creating a national voter registration system with federally assigned voter ID numbers, said Allan Lichtman, a history professor at American University in Washington and a voting rights expert.

``I don't think the country is ready for that,'' Lichtman said.

The Daily News contacted more than a dozen people registered in both places, some of whom have voted twice in the same election.

Norman Seigel has voted twice in seven elections since 1988, including four presidential races, records show.

Registered as a Republican at his home in Queens and in Pinellas Park, Siegel has usually filed an absentee ballot in one or both places.

Reached at his Florida home, Siegel interrupted a reporter who was telling him that thousands of people are registered to vote in both states.

``That's illegal,'' Siegel interjected. ``You have to pick one place as your residence and vote there.''

Told that the records show he maintains registrations in both places, Siegel said he had not voted in Florida, then said he had not voted in New York.

Told that records show he has voted in both places, Siegel cut off the conversation. ``I have to go,'' he said.

Edwin Peterson, 66, a registered Democrat in Palm Coast and Queens, attributed his dual vote in the 2000 election to his distrust of the party running the Sunshine State.

``That was a situation where Florida is so messed up with the Republicans, you don't know if your vote is even going to be counted,'' Peterson said. ``It's been like that forever.''

Tribune Reporter Garrett Therolf contributed to this report.

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Tacitus' Realm / Dan Rather SUCKS!
« on: September 15, 2004, 11:39:00 AM »
Dan Rather, Professional Journalist, and CBS News, Professional News Network, want us to keep believing that they are the ordained purveyors of truth. They are the mature and responsible mavens of media ethics. They are the information gatekeepers with unparalleled judgment, dedicated to the high principles of The Craft of Journalism, unwavering in their crusade for the public interest.

 As the saying goes in the blogosphere: Bwah-hah-hah.

 With a click of the mouse and easy-to-use Web log software, Internet-savvy citizens across America and around the world are relentlessly unmasking the frauds of snob journalism as never before. The wall between the self-anointed press protectorate and the unwashed masses has crumbled.

 Rather and The Suits face crushing evidence that CBS relied on bogus military documents in a recent "60 Minutes II" hit piece challenging President Bush's National Guard service. Questions about the documents' authenticity were first raised last week on the indispensible conservative Internet forum, FreeRepublic.com, then amplified and supplemented by the intrepid independent bloggers of Powerline, Little Green Footballs, INDC Journal and Allahpundit.

 Rather and his geriatric empire are combating these powerfully persuasive blogs with anemic smears and sneers. And they are losing so very, very badly that they can't keep on top of their own spin.

 Rather recklessly suggests that the bloggers who broke the story are disciplined "partisan political operatives," presumably affiliated with the Bush campaign and/or Republican National Convention. Former CBS news executive Jonathan Klein, on the other hand, suggests that the bloggers are loose cannons and amateur yahoos. The blogger, Klein told Fox News, is a "guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing" without acceptable journalistic credentials or a genuine commitment to "checks and balances."

 It's no surprise, of course, that the conspiratorial, central-planning mindset of the mainstream media kingpins conjures up a top-down plot where there is none and where none could ever be orchestrated even if the Bush White House wanted one. Bloggers take orders from no one. But with that irresistible platter of publishing freedom comes a tall glass of responsibility. For serious blogging pundits and news-gatherers and discussion board operators, cyber-cred is everything. Mainstream media anthropologists often attach the adjective "free-wheeling" to the blogger culture -- ignoring the flip side of the brutally quick-fixing and 24/7 fact-checking nature of the medium.

 What is amazing is that Rather would shamelessly traffic in such paranoid nonsense against conservative-leaning bloggers, without a shred of substantiation, in the middle of his own disastrous journalistic hurricane -- and on the heels of CNN's recent disclosure that two of its most prominent talk show co-hosts, Paul Begala and James Carville, have been hired as official consultants to the Kerry presidential campaign but will remain in their current positions at the network.

 About these proven Democratic "partisan political operatives," Rather has made no comment on CBS.

 As for Klein, his pajama put-down will go down in media history as the death cry of snob journalism.

 With amusement, I have watched my colleagues in the Old Media fight every democratizing and choice-enhancing trend during the dozen years I've spent in the information business. They scoffed at Rush Limbaugh as a flash in the pan (and have searched in vain for a commercially viable liberal counterpart for the last 15 years). They sneered at The Drudge Report (then bookmarked his site for hourly reading). They sniped at Fox News (then ripped off every one of Roger Ailes' innovations). They laughed at Regnery Publishing (then snatched up its editors and formed New York knock-offs). They mocked the insurgent New York Post (as their own circulation figures and ad sales tanked). And now, in final desperation, they trash the blogging revolution as an irresponsible pajama party for unprofessional hobbyists (even as they launch their own corporate-scrubbed versions to exhibit their "edginess").

 Faced with an unstoppable onslaught of competitive traffic, Dan Rather and the great pretenders in Trusted Journalism have only one choice for survival: Yield.

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Tacitus' Realm / Hillary:
« on: September 14, 2004, 11:06:00 AM »
Headlining an appearance with other Democratic women senators on behalf of Sen. Barbara Boxer, who is up for re-election this year, Hillary Clinton told several hundred supporters -- some of whom had ponied up as much as $10,000 to attend -- to expect to lose some of the tax cuts passed by President Bush if Democrats win the White House and control of Congress.

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."


"Ahh yes Hillary spoken like a true socialist whack job" New York, you deserve her if you were stupid enough to vote or her


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