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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: Union and Kids Forever
« on: September 15, 2009, 02:58:45 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
JD, the Union Institute is a diploma mill.  That's why it continues to offer doctorates in psychology that are not recognized by the APA.  So even though I had clearly acknowledged over a year ago that Union was accredited, because you are lazy and dishonest, you pretended that this was new information, and that the issue regarding Vause and the Union Institute was accreditation, rather than the fact that his mail-order PhD is not recognized by the APA, and thus, to a reasonable person, would seem a rather dubious credential for someone operating a facility providing psychological treatment, in which they are performing psychological intervnetions.  Such as Dean Vause and AARC.  That Hasbara shit won't fly here JD.  The former clients reading and posting here already know the score, so you can't sway there opinion with your wretched dishonesty.  All you can do is temporarily disrupt communication.  There is no mass of people whose view of the situation can be altered by disinfo.  Wrong audience, JD.

Why are you so caught upon what people think.  I really could care less what the readers think here.  What is important is that you post what is factual and as long as you are dishonest with your postings I will be here to hold your feet to the fire and/or correct them for you.

Now that I finally got you to admit that The Union Institute is accredited you can move on to what qualifications are needed to run AARC.  What you need to do is establish the requirements and then compare them to what is being done to determine if there are any discrepancies.

So if running AARC requires a Masters in business then we need to look at that.  If you feel Vause needs certification of some sort then you need to post the requirements and then we can compare that to what Vauses credentials are.  The problem I think you are having is you are trying to dictate the requirements yourself with buy in from authorities.  I would think enough people have looked into AARC along with the fifth estate that if the guy wasnt qualified it would have surfaced.
But we will wait to see what you come up with before passing judgment.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: Union and Kids Forever
« on: September 15, 2009, 12:51:57 PM »
You mean to tell me you never repeat yourself here on fornits?  You never ask the same question over and over again to a person that doesnt even frequent fornits?


You use to go on and on about how The union Institute wasnt accredited and that it was a Diploma mill (until I cleared that up for you).  Asking question after question on fornits trying to figure out why the wiz choose the major he did.  But it never dawned on you that no one knew the answer to that except thewiz himself.  But you never quite figured that out.  If it were me I would speak to the guy directly, get the answer and move on, but you seem to avoid getting the facts for some reason.

I find your energy and constant avoidance of actually trying to get the facts fascinating.  You tip your hand to your level of frustration when you resort to personal attacks and foul language.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« on: September 15, 2009, 10:57:50 AM »
Anyone can find an article related to just about any subject.  You mentioned ....there’s plethora of evidence that Aspen Ranch hurts and kills victims, yet you post nothing.  Where are the lawsuits against Aspen Ranch?

Here I can find a plethora of articles regarding brainwashing, torture and kidnapping at McDonalds.  But you cant find any cases of that occurring at Aspen Ranch, can you?  Has there ever been a single successful case against Aspen Ranch?  Forget your plethora try to find one where Aspen Ranch was found guilty of this stuff.  You site articles from your own support sites.  Try to site a court case involving Aspen Ranch.

McDonalds and brainwashing
Supporting Link A

McDonalds and torture
Supporting Link B

McDonalds and kidnapping
Supporting Link C

I haven’t been able to find where Aspen Ranch has been found guilty of any of these things.  Help me out here.

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Open Free for All / Re: Probably not the best idea for a protest...
« on: September 15, 2009, 09:19:10 AM »
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
http://http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,923176,00.html

Not the best way to go about it.

I think the jumpsuit with the motorcycle helmet and visor added a nice touch though and protesters should always carry a black box with an antenna sticking out of it.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« on: September 14, 2009, 11:36:17 PM »
Nice try......Where is the kidnapping and Brainwashing law suits?
Are you related to Ajax? Ha,Ha,Ha

Try your google search again and get back to us.  Try to respond with facts this time... hold the personal attacks until after you realize I have proved you wrong again..

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Aspen Education Group / Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« on: September 14, 2009, 10:30:49 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
There’s plethora of evidence that Aspen Ranch hurts and kills victims. Google the effects of kidnapping,
I did just that and didnt  find one reference to Aspen Education.  They have never even been charged let alone convicted of kidnapping.


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long term imprisonment,
Same thing.  I tried “Aspen Imprisonment”, “ASG Imprisonment”, “Aspen Education Imprisonment” and nothing comes up.  There are no cases pending or closed out that I can find

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imprisonment without due process,
Same thing.  I tried “Aspen Imprisonment without due process”, “ASG Imprisonment without due process”, “Aspen Education Imprisonment without due process” and nothing comes up.  There are no cases pending or closed out that I can find

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brainwashing.
Same thing.  I tried “Aspen brainwashing”, “ASG brainwashing”, “Aspen Education brainwashing” and nothing comes up.  There are no cases pending or closed out that I can find

 
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All of these oppressive and torturous violations, perpetrated by Aspen ranch, have been proved to cause serious personal harm. Duh, right?
Do you have any facts to back up what you say?

Are you related to Ajax? Ha,Ha,Ha

You say there’s plethora of evidence that Aspen Ranch hurts and kills victims, yet you post nothing.  You suggest the reader does Google searches and still nothing.  We all know Aspen helps kids but somehow you managed to screw it all up and want to blame your parents or the program for your screwed up and unmotivated life.  
Sorry I cant help you out.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« on: September 14, 2009, 08:51:27 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Guest"
Just not a big site for proof I guess.  Earlier on I asked for a peer reviewed study which showed that Aspen Ranch was ineffective and not one person was able to provide any evidence at all.  I thought at least one person would have had something.  I was looking for a hard backed copy.  Guess we can conclude that the Aspen Ranch is very effective.
Bad bad logic, Whooter. Lack of "hard backed copy" showing Aspen Ranch to be "ineffective" does not enable one to conclude that "Aspen Ranch is very effective."
That was my point.  Very few people come to fornits prepared with a peer reviewed study to back up their claims.  I was just making a point.  If you looked at the thousands of kids who take their lives each year compared to the one or so each year in programs you dont need a full scale study to figure which is safer.  4 or 5 kids take their lives every day and then you take this at risk group and place them in a program and you may lose one a year... not bad.
(Rough numbers)
Lol. Just how "rough" are those numbers, Whooter?

Within the first four months of this year alone, two former students who had recently attended Hyde School committed suicide.

Or would you discount those two, since they weren't physically at the school when they offed themselves?

Interesting question.  If they left the program and then committed suicide then they should not be counted as program deaths.  If a kid committed suicide while at the program would you attribute his/her death to the public school he attend just prior to going to the program ?  or would you attribute it as a program death?

If you think we should go back two years to establish "cause" then any death occuring in the first 2 years of the program should not be counted as a program death.
This is why I question Oscars rules.  They keep changing in favor of blaming the program each time.  There are no boundary conditions or rules which can be cited ot pointed to for consistency.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: Union and Kids Forever
« on: September 14, 2009, 08:37:52 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
The Union Institute is accredited.

Finally!!  it took you long enough.  You are starting to man up and report facts.  I like that.  keep it going.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« on: September 14, 2009, 08:31:14 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Guest"
Just not a big site for proof I guess.  Earlier on I asked for a peer reviewed study which showed that Aspen Ranch was ineffective and not one person was able to provide any evidence at all.  I thought at least one person would have had something.  I was looking for a hard backed copy.  Guess we can conclude that the Aspen Ranch is very effective.
Bad bad logic, Whooter. Lack of "hard backed copy" showing Aspen Ranch to be "ineffective" does not enable one to conclude that "Aspen Ranch is very effective."

That was my point.  Very few people come to fornits prepared with a peer reviewed study to back up their claims.  I was just making a point.  If you looked at the thousands of kids who take their lives each year compared to the one or so each year in programs you dont need a full scale study to figure which is safer.  4 or 5 kids take their lives every day and then you take this at risk group and place them in a program and you may lose one a year... not bad.
(Rough numbers)

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Aspen Education Group / Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« on: September 14, 2009, 07:38:10 PM »
Just not a big site for proof I guess.  Earlier on I asked for a peer reviewed study which showed that Aspen Ranch was ineffective and not one person was able to provide any evidence at all.  I thought at least one person would have had something.  I was looking for a hard backed copy.  Guess we can conclude that the Aspen Ranch is very effective.

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Quote from: "ajax13"
Your confusion of beliefs with reality is what led to the death of your son JD.  It is not my opinion that I was told that AARC coverage by journalists is managed, it is a fact.  As with all those who have attempted to stifle the exchange of information about AARC, you don't have any facts, you just have your opinion, which you attempt to pass off as a fact.  If you had not been such a lazy fuck, and had found out the facts about the B Mods you put your kids in, perhaps you might have one less dead son.

I have spoken to them directly, I have read the articles and all the journalists stand behind what they have written.  If you can find one journalist who does not then I challenge you to bring them on here to state that. The press is there to write what is relevant and factual (by your own words).  We need to rely on those until some other facts surface.  Your private discussions just dont cut it and cannot over ride what the journalists decided to write.

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