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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: shaneunc on December 03, 2004, 03:42:00 AM
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Shane, many of the "survivors" are upper phase straightlings who are still working the program against each other here and now. Sometimes it stinks just like group; and I love it. Jason
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I know! I feel like I'm trapped with the same bunch of people all over again. Now we're in an e-warehouse.
Misbehaver: Are you saying that there are actual phasers from current straight spin-offs reading and posting on this site? Unbelievable. Isin't there some sort of rule against this? Not that I'm against them coming here to find out what they're really involved in, but I wouldn't stay in straight one more day (if I ever had the choice) if I read the stuff on this and Wes's site.
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Nice to hear from you Shane. Long time no speak.
The letter you got actually directed you to Don's yahoo list but you are welcome here.
For the record, Ginger and her husband maintain and run the site and I help her with moderation and administration. It is totally gratis work, not one thing is expected in return except participation and a little respect for the forum.
Ginger has a policy of an open forum to help faciliate discussion. No one would disagree with you except maybe a few that this has been abused here. I am sorry for some of the more vile posts. Rest assured most of them come from a very small minority of people here.
Once again, good to see you and welcome back. Please ignore the trolls.
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Shane, many of the "survivors" are upper phase straightlings who are still working the program against each other here and now. Sometimes it stinks just like group; and I love it. Jason
::bandit:: :flame: :rofl:
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On 2004-12-03 02:08:00, misbehaver wrote:
"Shane, many of the "survivors" are upper phase straightlings who are still working the program against each other here and now. Sometimes it stinks just like group; and I love it. Jason"
I think it's wonderful that the phasers are reaching out to you druggie cretins. They're truly working their 7th Step, carrying the message to druggies that need to hear it. I'm looking forward to seeing you in a blue chair on the front row of the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0! Love ya!
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On 2004-12-03 04:16:00, shady grove wrote:
"I know! I feel like I'm trapped with the same bunch of people all over again. Now we're in an e-warehouse.
Misbehaver: Are you saying that there are actual phasers from current straight spin-offs reading and posting on this site? Unbelievable. Isin't there some sort of rule against this? Not that I'm against them coming here to find out what they're really involved in, but I wouldn't stay in straight one more day (if I ever had the choice) if I read the stuff on this and Wes's site."
SG, I wasn't implying that people who are in Straight spin-offs post vomitus at survivors; we got the real thing, baby! Sometimes it seems just like the 4th phase frontal assault against whomever is "stood up". As before, I enjoy sitting back while the beast chews its own fur.
"I love the smell of [phasers ranting] in the morning. It smells like...Victory! (Col. Kilgore)
Jason
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The above post was mine. I also want to express my gratitude to Ginger&Fornits for hosting this site. It has helped me examine, compare and exorcise the tumor that was Straight. Thanks.
Jason
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Hey, even I wouldn't disagree that some of the shit posted here is... well, shit. There's just no more apt term for it.
Here's why I won't shut this forum to anon posters or moderate/edit out the more objectionable stuff.
For one thing, the therapeutic community program model has proven to be extremely effective. Not the least bit therapeutic, imo, but very, very effective. As a result, a lot (possibly a majority) of the folks for whom I keep this place open are... a little rough around the edges. So it would be counterproductive for me to try and prevent hostile, hurt, paranoid or otherwise antisocial people from participating. Everyone has their off days.
Next, who's to say my judgement is good enough? What if I'm having a bad day and take things the wrong way?
The other main reason for leaving it to anarcy (not chaos, mind you. Nature abhors chaos so I don't have to) is what Greg mentioned. There are not enough hours in the day, even if I could pay a staff, to thoughtfully monitor every conversation. There have been a lot of conversations in these forums that are sort of inside jokes/jabs. What if I were to try and pick the good guy and I picked wrong? I'd rather just leave it to you to read what you want, skip what you want and make your own determination.
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
--Hermann Goering, Luftwaffe commander, sentenced to death at Nuremberg
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that's my two cents
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GregFL,
You already know what I told you about adressing me directly or indirectly. You say whatever you like and then tell others they can't say the very same slanderous and vile things that you yourself just said. You call people names and claim yourself to be some mogul, but your just lucky you have the privilege that you abuse to monitor such a hypocritical website.
If rules are going to be made, the monitors and owners or whomever is staffing this shit: shouldn't they be Allowed to follow their own rules, too. Such as not lieing, and remembering to be organized and non abusive?
Hell, I'm all for the Free/for/All ad hominem abuse on these forums, it lets me replay old tapes and blow off steam, and I'm especially all for hyped up garbage when I see it being done by the people who run this shit right here!
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On 2004-12-04 09:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"GregFL,
You already know what I told you about adressing me directly or indirectly. You say whatever you like and then tell others they can't say the very same slanderous and vile things that you yourself just said. You call people names and claim yourself to be some mogul, but your just lucky you have the privilege that you abuse to monitor such a hypocritical website.
If rules are going to be made, the monitors and owners or whomever is staffing this shit: shouldn't they be Allowed to follow their own rules, too. Such as not lieing, and remembering to be organized and non abusive?
Hell, I'm all for the Free/for/All ad hominem abuse on these forums, it lets me replay old tapes and blow off steam, and I'm especially all for hyped up garbage when I see it being done by the people who run this shit right here!"
What? Just go the fuck away.
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none[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 09:51 ]
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Pietra, I have no problem with animals per se. I am however offended when people are called "gaping....ssies and other foul attack language. This is not how people should be treated nor how adults should behave towards one another...especially in a cowardice way such as anonymously on a website. That is my personal opinion. Period.
We have other issues as well that you aren't privy, but Gingers direction is clear and this is her forum so you have little to worry about. It would take very very much to have to ban someone, and if it ever came to that action would certainly offend someone, just as his childish intionally disruptive behavior has offended people now. This thread is an example, Shane, a very nice thoughtfull straight survivor disappeared for a while and came back to this come down on attack behavior being demonstrated here and was appalled. I don't blame him. However, YOu can never make everyone happy nor should you try. All we can try to do is foster an environment that is conducive to what we are trying to accomplish here, an open forum where people feel comfortable talking openly about a very serious subject, one that touches us all personally.
Animals is welcome here no more or no less than anyone else. I would also like to invite him to join in with a spirit of community and respect to the people here and stop trolling, being extremely foul and intentionally disrupting threads under multiple log ins. That is all. IF he wants to hate me, it doesn't change these facts at all. Nor does it matter.
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On further thought, Pietra, I am deleting my first post and letting the second one stand. I think it is much clearer and less personal than the first one. You have a valid point.
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Pietra wrote: "One interesting thing that I have experienced is that someone will post something, and someone else will take it the wrong way, and then there is some exchange, and it gets cleared up."
That?s not at all what I am talking about. I even said so in my post. I?m not saying we should all agree. In fact, it was a disagreement between me and Greg FL that taught me quite a bit about Straight. But his argument was out of true compassion for what we had both been through. He wasn?t bashing me nor was he trying to insult me. However, the anonymous posters, who merely come here to poke fun at why it is we are here, are very damaging to those who are new, IMO. I would never have said half the things I said when I found this forum had I believed somebody was going to trash me for it. That was the only point I was trying to make.
I accept that this is Ginger?s forum, that she will run as she sees fit.
Respectfully,
Shane
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Countless hours, turning into, countless days
A doubtful outlook...
Digging from my grave, that's my home actually
Sick and angry for no reason at all
Falling into Manson's thrall...
Charlie's stare will draw you in
A god reborn? A total clown?
Now the truth...a five-six joke?
Or was he the one?
I can't change the exposed truth
God is gone, and never was, never will, never has been
Thoughts prevoke, a disgusting sight
If this is real? Or a chemical life?
Digging from my grave, that's my home actually
Sick and angry for no reason at all
Falling into Manson's thrall...
Charlie's stare will draw you in
A god reborn? A total clown?
Now the truth...a five-six joke?
Or was he the one?
I can't change the exposed truth
God is gone, and never was, never will, never has been
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[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 09:52 ]
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And Shane is entitled to that opinion a well. Pietra. In fact, he has a point, the exteme vileness that goes on in this forum does run people off. However, the openness encourages debate.
There is no easy answer to this type of thing. Moderated forums can be successfull and there are proven examples of ones that work,including the Seed discussion forum, only moderated for personal attacks. Unmoderated forums can work as well as has this forum for many years.
Both have positive and negative aspects. For example, a properly moderated forum tends to be more topical but also usually gets less traffic than it would if it wasn't moderated. In addition, a moderator with an ego issue or god complex will run poeple off and the forum will die. An unmoderated forum usually has much more open discussion and a large pool of participants but can be easily derailed by a troll or disgruntled person that wishes the forum to fail. These type people can cause good people to avoid the forum and create enough havoc that the intended discussion pretty much dries up.
So that is it. I understand Shane's feelings as I understand your "no Censorship" feelings. I very rarely delete anything here except duplicate posts, an exception being some porno shot that was posted not to long ago. Even in a unmoderated forum, there has to be some rules.
All this long winded explanation aside, I would like to once again ask people to respect each other here, to understand that what you post reflects on how people perceive you as an individual. Vile and crude attack posting serves no one and makes the person doing it look real small in the eyes of the other participants. In addition, this forum is an important outlet for people. I remember how I felt when I first started talking to Wes, Ginger, Kim, Kathy, Ken and a few others on the original site. It meant a lot to me. when new people log on, it can mean a lot to them, unless they run into a bunch of children screaming and cursing at each other. In that case, they are likely to log off and leave.
That is the real shame of this behavior.
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[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 09:54 ]
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an exception being some porno shot that was posted not to long ago.
And I don't begrudge you one bit for deleting that, Greg. Allow me to offer a bit of an explanation though, just for grins...Putting the porno aspects of it aside, I thought it was a funny picture and very well timed. But I understand you not wanting to have a shot of a penis (or vagina for that matter) on this forum. I just thought it was kinda funny- the penis pump thing, you know..
If anyone's curious as to the pic that I'm referring to, click the link below. You've been warned though... :lol:
http://216.127.90.178/se1003a.jpg (http://216.127.90.178/se1003a.jpg)
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For the record, i thought it was funny. I also thought your replacement post with the "Holy grail" reference was hysterical.
Pietra, you keep going on and on about this. I agree with much of what you say and find SOME of the trolling here extremely funny and topical. But when it disinegrates into cruel and vile personal attacks, I don't like it. But THAT IS MY OPINION and am just making a request to the people that are doing it to consider the effectit has on everyone.Now, You may love that kind of thing but everyone doesn't, And yes, more than one person has shared Shane's view with me and many have posted it as well. That is the point I am making, it is impossible to make everyone happy no matter what direction you go in. The policy here is firm, this is an open forum so You can stop worrying about this forum being "censored" because it isn't going to happen. You are also right about another thing, Ginger's vision of this website has been excellent and she does have a high IQ. I am lucky to have her as a friend, and we all have use of this forum at her expense. We should all appreciate and respect that. I am not sure many people stop to thank her for this forum and for all the hard work and time she has donated, but I would like to do so right now. Thanks Ginger!
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Pietra, You're a relative "newcomer" here correct? Pardon the pun. You seem to be neck deep in forum drama. The site predates you by years so relax and let the moderators admin the site as they seem fit.
You said: ""Thank god for Ginger .....Saves me the huge trouble of having to figure out how to make a forum. Excellent."" OMG! What? Please don't even explain.
""Pietra, you keep going on and on"" is an understatement. Give it a rest already, P.
I was glad to hear that you would NOT be representing the survivor community on Montel. In my opinion someone as new to the bbs as you are should maybe take a minute to decompress rather than go apeshit busybody contacting talkshows and questioning forum moderation.
My opinion.
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On 2004-12-08 16:51:00, Pietra wrote:
Whoever wants a moderated site, go make your own. Thank god for Ginger not only having a high IQ but using it to make connections between the whole world and history etc and right here and what are talking about. Saves me the huge trouble of having to figure out how to make a forum. Excellent."
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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(this is where I really offended Shane, and the boys took it the wrong way, of course.)
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righteous brother. love a good screaming match. now let's kiss and hug and make up. damn. you almost cured me of the giggles. better go again, it's your turn now.
Wow! I love a girl who knows how to throw down..
..and then gets over it..
..and gives you some some make-up sex! ::argue:: ::kiss:: :grin:
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Yeah, you know who it is. psha
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On 2004-12-09 09:15:00, animals all of us wrote:
"Yeah, you know who it is. psha"
I really thought that it was you...oh well..
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I am posting anon because that is what I choose to do. AND I am not animals nor any of animals schizophrenic personas. I am just someone that thinks of your posts as words from a loudmouth busybody type that I find personally annoying. Again, MY opinion.
Relax and don't be so aggressive, I don't want to kill anybody for crying out loud, nor do I wish to fish for a flame war with you. I am just a person that finds what you have to say annoying at times and I thought I would mention it. I am certain many people don't agree with my perspective or opinions in certain matters and such is life. I called you a busybody and annoying and you called me an oldcomer and an asshole. Are we even?
You are not my sister.
Could we skip the kissing and hugging?
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"can't we all just get along"
Rodney king, after taking a severe asswhiping.
:grin:
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[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 12:52 ]
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Pietra, I will never take back my position on this issue. I never said anything about censorship; you did. So, you can afford to loosen that tight grip you have on the first amendment. I don't see this forum taking away our liberty.
I also never once said anything about not arguing nor did I mention being polite. I merely stated that if people had to register to post here, then it would take away a lot of the childish posters who are obviously bored and have nothing else to do with their lives other than to come here and make a mockery of what it is we are trying to do. They would be accountable for what they say. And I bet that alone would stop a lot of the "trolling", as Greg called it.
I remember coming here and talking to people for the first time like it was just yesterday. I'm so glad I did. But, none of this was happening then. If it had been, I'm not sure I would have bothered. And I'm not talking about the disagreements or lack of "politeness". I am talking specifically about topics on the forum?s main page that are obviously mocking Wes Fager's post about a major talk show. I'm talking about heckling that really takes away from what it is we are trying to do here. This forum shouldn't cater to that, nor should it tolerate it, imo.
Then there's that timeless first amendment whipping child statement "well, who's to say what is offensive?" I think anybody with a decent IQ will know when somebody is here to flame and troll. All you have to do is look at the number of posts they have and how many times they do it to determine how much we value their presence here.
I've made my point as clearly as possible, so I'm done with it. I also know nothing will change as Ginger has stated her view as well, and I accept that and will stop in from time to time.
Thanks Greg for taking a look at it and considering what I said.
Respectfully,
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On 2004-12-09 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Could we skip the kissing and hugging?"
I guess a blowjob is out of the question?
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Okay, this thread is demonstrating clearly that we have many varying opinions on this issue. I see valid points on all sides..
Just to be clear..
This forum will not be censored.
For an individual to be banned from here would be a very extreme situation.
So Shane, your offense is noted. Some of it is even shared. However, we will not be requiring people to register to post here. That too would scare away people, and frankly some of the mulitple log-ins are entertaining. On the other hands, a very few abuse the multiple log in feature so they can ask then answer their own questions, lend support in an argument to themselves, and to attack people in a way where it looks like multiple people are doing it. This is vile, but there is no easy solution. It is left up to the individual to determine what is going on and what the appropriate response to this type of thing is. Often it is to ignore the more offensive persons here, even pity their lack of wit and confidence. Around here you say something you own it. No one will come to your rescue.
Have we beaten this horse to death yet?
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On 2004-12-09 11:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2004-12-09 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Could we skip the kissing and hugging?"
I guess a blowjob is out of the question?"
:grin:
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Greg even if you were to try to implement some restriction concerning the "multiple log in feature" it wouldn't work because I imagine a fair amount of people if not most are using DHCP (they don't have a static IP that you could restrict) and even if they did have a static IP they could always login somewhere else, or run fakeroute or some such hackware...
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theoretical anyway, it just doesn't matter.
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hmmnn... computer guys[ This Message was edited by: Pietra on 2004-12-12 12:54 ]
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I'd like to bump you doggie style :razz:
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Stealing dick from me with my avatar! Grrrr!! :flame: :flame: :rofl:
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Hmm...taking back your words?
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animals, you are a pretty weird guy sometimes.
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hey bouuuy
give me a ring vb injin
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my pets