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The Troubled Teen Industry / Here is my take on the subject.
« on: December 16, 2003, 10:40:00 AM »
Here is my take Anon:

I have never told a lie, not since this whole thing started.  I have not lied about the $12,500.00.  They have not bought my silence.  I can still sue them and everyone else if I so choose.   All I have ever done is tell about my experience and share it with others.  That is all I will ever continue to do.  Those associated with trekkers are the ones who have lost all creditability.

My family was not only exploited by Dundee but it was exploited by Amberly and Sue Scheff and her Trekkers associates and Steve Bozak.

Don't sit in judgement until you know everything that has occured.

I don't think any "program" that incarcerates kids without due process of law should exist.  Amberly, Trekkers and many others are only trying to move the goods from one program to the next.  I don't agree with that and I will not be a part of that.

You can fault me for taking money from the WWASP attorneys if that is what you choose, but mind you, they were not the ones who exploited me and my family.  My family was expolited by Dundee, Amberly, Bozak and PURE, Inc. (Sue Scheff).  

Amberly is responsible for what happened at Dundee the entire time my boys were there.  She knew I wanted them out.  She did not care.  She did not care or take an interest in any of this until I put here name out on public forums posting her name and stating that she was invovled in the assault and rape cover up.  She would never have come forward had I not been publically blasting her.  Then she comes forward and says "yeah they charge too much, they don't hire qualified people, etc. etc."  I ask her to make a statement for the judge in my court case.  She says no.  But then she gives a statement, that mind you changed for the 3rd time, to Sue Scheff, PURE Inc. who is no different than WWASP.  Why would Amberly be willing to help another corporation, who does the same thing WWASP does but not be willing to help 2 kids who were under her care and who were terrified of going back.  

Is Amberly telling the truth, I don't think so. Not any more.  She has changed the details significantly since she hooked up with PURE.  But you know what, if it turns out that Amberly is telling the truth...then I am going to sue her personally for the care of my kids while in the program and the fear they lived in after leaving the program.

When you have all of the facts, then judge me, but as of right now, you don't.

Carey

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Chew on this for a while!
« on: December 12, 2003, 09:07:00 AM »
Somewhere in another thread I told ya'll I would give WWASP my emails. So why you are now surprised I did, I don't understand. I could have said no and had them subpoened or I could attempt to negotiate with them and have them pay for them. Afterall, I incurred a lot of expense removing my boys from a program that I did not want them in. I chose the later. It was going to cost WWASP one way or another to get them, whether it be incurring legal expenses or paying for the inconvience it caused me. If you have a problem with that...well, its your problem.

When I have more time, I will share with you something else that was uncovered in this depostion. Well briefly let me throw this out there for you. If you found out that your child was in a program that you felt was abusive and if you appealed to the director of that program for help and hit nothing but rock solid walls, as she was not willing to help, only to find out later that this same director who refused to help you at the time they were in the program once again refused to help you to protect your child from further abuse in being sent  back to the program by making a statement that could be used in court would not do so, but then was more than willing to help PURE by providing them with a statement, a company that places kids in these risky programs (adults that is, a business, not children who are or who had been subjected to abuse, but adults making money off of this business) would you start to question the motives and the story of that director?

Just and FYI, there is a lot more to that (the director's involvment) which you will be seeing more of in the future.  That is not over...she was responsible for the wellbeing of my kids for approximately 5 months of their 7 month stay at Dundee.  If she knew about the proported abuse and did not report it...she is just as guilty as those commiting the abuse.  She is also responsible for the months after my boys returned home and the fact that they were afraid of being sent back.  

Is she hooking up with Sue because she wants to stay in the "teen help" business because she too has the potential for earnings therein?  Is it really about abuse with these people or is about something else?






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The Troubled Teen Industry / Trekkers and Pure
« on: November 14, 2003, 08:04:00 AM »
All of those who are associated with Trekkers and Pure (if anyone would like a list of those names let me know) have been sharing peoples private messages without their knowledge.

What they do is they hack their way onto the BBS and they copy the messages and then post them on their Trekkers list.  These people whose messages are being posted are not aware of this fact.   I wonder how they would feel if they knew that their messages were being posted without their knowledge by Trekkers/PUREsts.  

Why is it alright you PUREst for you to cut and paste other peoples messages without their consent?  

It is so amazing that PUREst are so ready to point fingers at people for doing what they do.

They place kids in risky programs, WWASP places kids in risky programs.

They limit access to their listserve (they don't want to allow others opinions, someone might be woke up), WWASP limits access to their BBS.

They share other peoples posts, I share their posts.

And so on and so on.....

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Tell me what you think?
« on: November 12, 2003, 10:46:00 PM »
Subj: (no subject)  
Date: 11/12/03 9:41:26 PM Central Standard Time
From: Careycbock
To: [email protected]
 


Tim,

I thought you told me you went to Casa because a mother who had a child there was concerned about her and she asked you to help her.  I asked you how or why  this parent contacted you.  I asked if she lived in your area and if that was how she got your name.  Then I asked you why she was never mentioned in your article.  Of course I never got an answer.  Why?  I am thinking now  that it was not the truth.  It looks as though Tom did hook you up with Chris just as I had figured and that is how you were turned on to Casa by the Sea.

I do have an email from Tom telling me that the NY Times was interested in doing a story on WWASP.

Tom, Ryan, Chris, Sean the Hollywood producer the NY Times.  I think it was all set up from the very beginning.  I think people have a right to know.

Subj: Re: (no subject)
Date: 4/10/03 7:09:13 PM Central Daylight Time
From: SLS1262
To: Careycbock



First the Goodwins went to Mexico with a reporter from the NY Times to meet with the highest level of political power.  Paula loaded them with ammunition and feels confident that Casa will be shut down.  I hate to get our hopes up, but we can think positive.

There are over 600 kids at Casa, and what the government will say, is "where will we put these kids, as many of the parents don't want them or they will go to another WWASP facility, BUT the Government will have to give each child their constitutional rights, which will allow them NOT to go into another WWASP facility.  Basically, we are looking at many kids with no where to go.  So we are preparing to house some of them.  Blanche was just offering her home, as she always does. She is a doll.

Can you imagine, 600 kids in one program

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The Troubled Teen Industry / What Happen to HURON?
« on: November 11, 2003, 01:47:00 PM »
I am curious about all of the posts that were being made in reference to the HURON law firm.  They seemed to have disappeared or stopped when the PUREsts disappeared or stopped posting?  Was it only the PUREst who had any involvment with HURON?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / ISAC'S Invision Power Board is CONTOLLED
« on: November 11, 2003, 10:18:00 AM »
Isac's Invision Power Board practices control and restraint.  The practices they use are very similar to the practices of those who they oppose.  If you visit their forum you will only hear and be told what they want you to hear and be told.  There is no room for independent thought and reform.  

Why would anyone want to be a part of a group who aims to control the thoughts of others?  

Isac is not for everyone it is only for those who support Sue Scheff and PURE, Inc.  It is only for those who will protect and promote her position as an ed "con artist."

Isac lied to me about their affiliation with PURE.  They claimed to not have any association with Sue.  However, that was not the case.  Yes they removed her link to her website from their website however, they have remained in contact with her throughout this whole senario.  That tells me, Isac is not in it for the kids.  If they were Sue would not be someone with whom they would associate.

Isac will claim that I am hurting children by speaking out against Sue.  They will claim that I am pro WWASP because I am speaking out against Sue.  They will make these claims and yet they will not explain how exactly my telling about my families experience with Sue hurts children.  

I am going to post MY email from Iasc telling me that my membership has been declined.  (They seem to think that because of the clause they put at the bottom it means that I can not share it with others.  That is not true.  Once the email is sent to me, it is mine.  They can not tell me who I can or who I can't share it with.  Once sent to me it becomes my property...not theirs.)

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Subj: RE: Registration at Invision Power Board  
Date: 11/10/03 9:51:08 PM Central Standard Time
From: [email protected], http://www.isaccorp.com

No one should be abused in the name of treatment !

The information contained in this email is not to be forwarded or given to anyone, in whole or in part, other than the person or persons addressed in the email, unless written permission by the above signed is given prior to dissemination to any third party. No decision should be made solely on information contained in this email.





-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Registration at Invision Power Board


In a message dated 11/10/03 8:53:28 PM Central Standard Time, http://www.isaccorp.com/forums/index.ph ... 1e80f3b812


I can not log in.  Is there a problem?  Can you help me out?

Carey

Marti, what have I done that has made you decide to not allow me membership on your board?  The postings on it are public, not private, so why decline my application?  Is it because I have shared my bad experience with the PUREst, those individulas who support other abusive programs? If not, then why?

By the way, Marti I sent another email to you asking why my membership request was being denied.  Can you share why, if it is not because I have shared my families experience with Sue/PURE, Bozak, Amberly and Dundee, then what is the reason?

One more thing...I found this quote on the first page of the ISAC website:

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ISAC is dedicated to obtaining BOTH sides of the story where possible.


It seems that must have been put on your website by mistake.  You may want to remove that quote from ISAC's front page of the website.  Afterall, you don't want to be seen as a liar, do you?  You obviously are not interested in both sides of the story.  

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I got the following email from Sue Scheff.  She says in the email that Bozak visited Dundee in August of 2002.  This would have been before I went to Dundee to get my boys.  Can anyone of you (you being Dundee, WWASP, PURE or Bozak)and anyone of you who are willing to actully give your true identity in which it can be verified (not an anon post) verify the accuracy of Sue's email to me.

Here it is:

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Subj: WWASP  
Date: 10/6/02 5:27:13 PM Central Daylight Time
From: SLS1262
To: Careycbock
CC: Blancheamber, Gini24630
 


Dear Ms. Bock;

I believed you asked me for your help with your twins at Dundee about 2 weeks ago.

I am caught between a rock and a hard place.  Under my Attorney's advice, I am not allowed to speak with parents that have contracts with WWASP.

However, what I will do is share with you that Steve Bozak, Albany NY, is an Education Consultant that visited Dundee August 24, 2002.  The visit report is not good.  I would advise your Attorney to contact him ASAP for the report.  His number is 518-373-8069.  Although Steve is trying to get on the inside of WWASP before releasing his story, please let him know your urgency for your boys.

My Attorney's in Salt Lake City may also be able to add some help to your Attorney.  James Seaman or Richard Henriksen.  Both are very keen to WWASP. 801-521-4145.

John Dalhburg, the writer for the LA Times is in the mist of a huge (not shiney) exposure of WWASP in the next few weeks.  I would urge your Attorney to contact him too.  He has tons of negative information.  305-576-0671.  

I know you are working with Marion also.  Please go to my website and print off all the stories.  They are true.  My story, and also under Newsletters and Helpful Links.

I am sure Gini is sending you the transcripts of Jamaica.  Unfortunately Dundee is their newest facilities (replaced High Impact that was shut down in December).

Let me know if I can help you in any other ways indirectly.  I ask that you don't use my name, but you can use my story off my site.  If your Attorney contacts, I can speak with her.  I just cannot speak with any parents.......  But I will do all I can to help get your twins to safety.

Fondly,
Sue Scheff
954-349-7260 Weston, FL

This is the part that I am curious about:

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However, what I will do is share with you that Steve Bozak, Albany NY, is an Education Consultant that visited Dundee August 24, 2002. The visit report is not good. I would advise your Attorney to contact him ASAP for the report. His number is 518-373-8069. Although Steve is trying to get on the inside of WWASP before releasing his story, please let him know your urgency for your boys.


I would like to know if Bozak really ever went to Dundee and I would like to know if he ever completed the "report" that Sue refers to in her email to me.  I want to know if the "story" was ever released.  


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The Troubled Teen Industry / More News on Dundee and WWASP
« on: November 04, 2003, 10:27:00 PM »
U.S. Representative George Millar, Senior Democrat on the Committee on Education and the Workforce, sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft yesterday requesting a federal investigation into allegations of abuse by the WorldWide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP).

One of Rep. Millar's congressional aids had told The Tico Times in September that the U.S. lawmaker was preparing to request a federal probe following the closure of Costa Rica's WWASP-affiliated Dundee Ranch Academy and allegations of abuse at other WWASP facilities in the United States, Jamaica and Mexico (TT, Sept. 12).

WWASP is the umbrella organization under which Dundee Ranch Academy, a behavior-modification program for troubled teens, operated here, before being closed last May following government interventions to investigate allegations of rights abuse (TT, May 23).

"I am requesting, in my capacity as Senior Democratic Member, that you initiate a formal investigation into allegations of child abuse, human rights violations, fraudulent and deceptive advertising, fraud and unjust enrichment under the Internal Revenue Code, and violations of other Federal civil or criminal laws by [WWASP] and its founders," reads the congressman's letter to Ashcroft.

Dundee Ranch was one of 11 WWASP programs in the United States and abroad. An estimated 2,200 children were enrolled in the residential programs, including 200 in Dundee Ranch.

"There have been serious allegations that hundreds of children have been mistreated or neglected and that their legal rights have been regularly flaunted. There are also hundreds of parents who assert that they were drawn into the program by misleading advertising. We believe that the Department of Justice should investigate whether federal laws concerning child abuse and neglect, interstate commerce or unfair or deceptive advertising have been broken by WWASPS or those operating these facilities," the letter reads.

The letter to Ashcroft mentions that "Dundee Ranch was closed after Costa Rican authorities charged the facility with violating children's civil rights," and quotes testimony of abuse by former Dundee Ranch director Amberley Knight, who first told The Tico Times last March that the academy "is poorly managed, takes financial advantage of parents in crisis, and puts teens in physical and emotional risk " (TT, March 14).

The letter concludes by asking Ashcroft to "please provide by Nov. 17, 2003, a written report on steps you have taken to initiate an investigation of all allegations."


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The Troubled Teen Industry / Who owns this site?
« on: November 01, 2003, 01:57:00 PM »
http://www.barbelith.com/underground/to ... post244235

Does anyone know who registered this site.  They use to be open to the public but have recently gone truly underground.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / This is interesting.
« on: October 21, 2003, 07:46:00 PM »
I found this on the Bridge to Understanding web site.

>>THE CRISIS BEFORE US
 

The Crisis Before Us

By: Thomas J. Croke
Publisher

A small but reasonably well organized group of people is intent on securing legislation and court decisions to eliminate all programming where teenagers are away from home against their wishes - except by court review - and they want to make it very hard to get court approval. I am not suggesting that this group of people is anywhere close to broad success right now, but they are making very clever use of the Internet, mass media, and the courts to focus sympathetic attention on what they want to do. Actions with which we are all familiar are giving them considerable ammunition. There have been programs closing, apparently based on their actions.

The timing of this is based on the problems at the Samoa programs. But the issue is real, and not new. It would be of concern with or without the current issues in Samoa. We intend to do three things:

Provide some history of the impetus toward closer regulation.
Describe activities that Bridge to Understanding believes add credibility to those who promote these ?reforms.? We hope this will lead to serious soul searching, and hopefully to changes that will benefit the children being placed and their families, as well as removing some of the arguments for restriction.
Guide readers to other articles on this theme, to give readers a guide through this material. Included will be pro and con discussion of several controversial issues, and a set of standards we think should guide the industry.
HISTORY OF THE CONTROVERSY

Historically, virtually all programs that served behavioral issues forty or fifty years ago were either psychiatric or corrections based. Neither was terribly effective for dealing with youth with behavioral issues. This is true for corrections facilities for the same reasons why corrections based programs do not have great success rates today. It is true for psychiatric facilities because psychiatry then really had no clue as to how to deal with anything except severe psychosis and the kinds of things which lent themselves to psychoanalysis - not a modality which anyone would suggest is suitable for oppositional teens.

During the seventies and eighties, emphasis on patient rights led to stricter laws on civil commitments, but sometimes applied to minors differently from adults. At the same time, more emphasis was put on community mental health and on treating families rather than individuals.

Simultaneously, emotional growth schools were developing, which created an alternative to traditional mental health services, which was clearly more effective than any of the mental health alternatives for many young people. Neither traditional mental health, nor revised community mental health systems were reaching certain populations nearly as well. Because these facilities were not traditional mental health facilities, the civil commitment laws did not clearly apply, especially where minors were concerned.

Those advocating for patient rights and for community mental health systems attempted to ban all crossing of state lines by minors for treatment purposes. The effort was not successful, but the present Interstate Compact Laws are remnants of that effort. Much of the early controversy was clearly motivated by ?turf? issues. But there were genuine concerns by proponents of each discipline that the other disciplines were not doing the job properly. In addition, there were incidents of children being transported to out-of-state locations and abandoned.

For a variety of reasons, some personal growth schools with genuine therapeutic content have been licensed only as schools, avoiding regulations and safeguards applicable to services intended to affect behavior and emotional health. This has aroused the suspicion of some people in two different areas: Civil libertarians and credentialled professionals. The credentialled professionals would have us believe that only they and the mental health establishment should be helping kids. Is the motivation concern for the kids or self-promotion? I can only speculate. It is clear that without the innovations which the credentialled mental health profession have fought for tooth and nail, we would not have the range of services we now have to help kids.

In the late nineties, a proliferation of these programs, escort services to transport children to these services involuntarily, and consulting services to direct private placements have sprung up. This has energized the opposition groups who understand such services to be kidnapping, imprisonment, and abuse.

I first became aware of the opposition when Bridge to Understanding devoted an issue theme to the Van Blarigan case, and the opposition descended on the Discussion Forum on our web site. It was obvious that some of the opposition was targeting the Teen Help programs, especially those offshore, and some were targeting the industry as a whole. The two groups made common cause. Jeff Berryman, author of ?Ninety-Nine Stitches? in this issue, first came to our attention during this period. The defenders of Teen Help struck back, and before long the Discussion Forum was dominated by very unpleasant debate between these two groups. To allow room for the original purpose of the Discussion Forum and to be fair to our sponsors, who did not want to sponsor a Discussion Forum exclusively about a different program, we had to ban that topic. But the debate raged on, on other web sites.

We strongly suspect that this group was responsible for the events leading to the closure of the Teen Help program in the Czech Republic.

Meanwhile, another program, New Hope, (see ?What Happened in Samoa?) opened, with most of the parents of kids in that program strongly linked by Internet. Although this group seemed to be completely independent of the events described two paragraphs above, it appears that the communication among the parents regarding this program was instrumental in its demise. Bridge to Understanding has obtained copies of much of the relevant correspondence, but has frankly not yet had the time to read all of it. If appropriate, and if our source grants permission we will post all of that on the Internet.

The offshore programs have been criticized for avoiding American regulation. That is on the surface. Sorry folks, it is not just the offshore programs. There is at best minimal regulation of any of these services. There are no regulations we know of governing escort or transport services. Many of the most restrictive and intense therapeutic programs manage to be licensed only as schools although they keep kids in very confining programs against their will. In many cases this is a clear case of dodging the spirit of regulations intending to ensure that people in therapeutic environments are safe. There is no regulation of the consultants and other referral sources.

Whether or not there should be regulation is a matter on which conscientious people may hold differing views. We here at Bridge to Understanding oppose an increase in such regulation from government sources. But the fact is, the industry is largely unregulated and unsupervised in any meaningful way.

Those of my friends and colleagues who want to maintain the status quo need to wake up and smell the coffee. If our present run of economic prosperity continues, this industry will continue to grow. As the industry grows the problems will grow and draw more and more attention, unless we, from the inside, take strong action to keep the entire industry operating in a defensible manner. As the problems grow, the opposition to our industry will strengthen. We must not destroy ourselves by allowing the nonsense to be challenged only by those who want to use these incidents to shut us down.

The simple fact is the status quo is not an option. The opposition will strengthen and use any point at which our house is not in order to shut us down. If we do not take action to reduce abuses and appearances of abuses from within, it will be imposed on us in ways that are quite destructive.

The opposition has found the Internet a useful tool. Go to http://www.bridgetounderstanding.com/links on your web browser to see the activity. Although I can't prove it, I believe it was these web sites which brought focus on the Samoa situation and caused close scrutiny to occur, leading to the parent rebellion at A Better Way.

We know for sure that the parents of New Hope in Samoa were linked via the Internet. We have yet to see, but I believe the Internet will greatly increase the political impact of the opposition. If we believe there is merit in how we are trying to help these kids, we must continually review our accepted standards, and calling ourselves and each other to the most sensitive concerns for the welfare of the children, and be willing to blow the whistle on rogue programs.

The article by Jeffrey Berryman in this issue of Bridge to Understanding is wrong on two points: I did not invent the term ?rogue program? (although I like the term) and I do not believe the ?rogue programs? have a monopoly on practices which bring discredit to our industry. Many programs the industry considers mainstream engage in practices that give fuel to the opposition and need to be reconsidered.

GUIDE TO THIS ISSUE AND ITS THEME

The following articles will help to demonstrate where our concerns lie:

?Ninety-Nine Stitches? by Jeffrey Berryman is a solicited and articulate expression of the opposition point of view. My first acquaintance with Jeff was when he became a burr under the saddle with his posts on our Discussion Forum on our web site, as he expressed views that seemed designed primarily to raise my blood pressure. Then I noticed that Jeff was not trying to advance or destroy any particular program and seemed motivated primarily by a concern for kids. We approached Jeff to contribute the lead ?opposition? article, not knowing he is a professional writer, among other things he does. While his views certainly do not represent those of the publisher, we appreciate his bringing his point of view into focus. Our only surprise was that he was not more highly critical of us (i.e. Thomas J. Croke and Associates, Inc. and Bridge to Understanding) and that he did not call for abolition of our industry.
I want to repeat that while we do not agree overall with Jeff's point of view, his proposal for a set of voluntary standards industry wide, with reputable consultants, programs, escort services, etc., embracing these standards sounds like a good start, provided there are real teeth in the standards. Our concern about that is that we do not believe that the self-policing procedures of regional accrediting bodies and even the IECA are working well. There appears, in both to be a higher emphasis placed on protecting the established interests of members than in enforcing serious standards of qualification, conduct, and consumer safety. See ?The House We Need to Clean,? page 9. Based on the failures of other self-policing groups, I hope this is enough.
?The House We Need To Clean? by Tom Croke. Frank talk about questionable practices in the industry.
?What Happened in Samoa? by Tom Croke. A short narrative on the events we know about in the Samoa programs.
?Parents Corner, LifeSaver? by the mother of a young man who went to A Better Way in Samoa and found that it saved his life. The quality of A Better Way has been such that we are very concerned that present events may prevent the continuation of this program as it was intended to be operated. We need to name that program to tell the story. We feel it is critical to communicate at least one story from a parent in strong support of this program. We know of many other parents and referral professionals who would strongly back this mother's point of view.
?Abuse of Residents In Treatment Programs and Schools? by Tim Snyder. Tim, former director of New Dominion (Maryland) is now working with us.
For those who believe I am exaggerating the situation here, let me remind the readers once again, that this group has already succeeded in getting the Teen Help program in the Czech Republic shut down, and has had a major impact on the events in Samoa, which may yet lead to further program closures. An apparently separate group on the Internet appears to have been responsible for the demise of New Hope program. Many of the practices for which these groups have criticized the offshore programs also occur in domestic programs, including some of those which we would almost universally agree are mainstream programs. This includes some of the programs IECA member consultants have most highly valued as special purpose schools, and fully credentialled and accredited psychiatric facilities. In many cases, we do no agree with the critics that these programs are in any way inappropriate and would oppose change. At the other extreme we know of practices which would be universally condemned as abuses in some of these facilities. Toward the middle, we oppose some practices openly embraced by most facilities, and strongly respect those who disagree with us.

With two programs down and two under fire, the opposition will not be appeased, but energized. We will be criticized by some for publicizing the activities of the opposition and therefore encouraging and perhaps validating them. We will be criticized by others for not naming names. But if we do not prepare for the impact the opposition folks are very likely to have, we will lose control, to the detriment of the industry, and I believe to the detriment of thousands of young people whose lives are being saved. If we want to survive and prosper - help these young people - we must act to keep our house clean, then stand united in defending what we know is right. Jeff Berryman, clearly one of the opposition, tells us the winning strategy for our side. I do not agree with the particular standards that he would have us follow. But an industry-wide self-policing group - which takes genuine accountability (as opposed to providing cover for questionable practices of its establishment members) far more seriously than any existing accrediting group or professional association in education or health care - seems to me to be the only constructive solution. We fail to do it at our own peril

Source: http://64.71.146.119/articles/topics/ca ... efore.html

© 2001 Bridge to Understanding
used by permission

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sue's Letter to the PTA
« on: October 18, 2003, 07:15:00 PM »
Beware of Bounty Hunters for WWASP/WWASPS
From: Sue Scheff
Date: 02 Sep 2003
Time: 12:00:01
Remote Name: 64.12.96.43


Comments
Dear Donna, I have known you for several years now, and have so much respect for what you did to get your boys back home safe. I only wish I had read your statement prior being recruited by WWASP/WWASPS. My daughter ended up in one of their programs and the results were horrific. I was desperate and they took advantage of me with the misrepresentation of their program. Since that time, back in 2000, there is now a Class Action Lawsuit against them getting ready to be filed. It is being filed by The Huron Law Group, with the support of Ed Masry and Erin Brockovich. There will be justice for our children and ourselves. Since this happened, I felt a need to give parents a resource avenue to help them when they are desperate, as I once was. I have created PURE, Inc. http://www.helpyourteens.com to help parents find safe and qualifed schools and programs and also offer a listing of adolescent local therapists. We have been approved by the Broward County School District and the Better Business Bureau. Thank you for giving us an opportunity to let parents know our experiences. Sincerely, Sue Scheff Weston, FL http://www.browardpta.com/_disc1/00000002.htm

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Here ya go!
« on: October 14, 2003, 11:11:00 AM »
I will give any and all information I have on PURE and Trekers to WWASP. What ever they have not picked up here on this forum, they are welcome to.  Why?  Why not?  I do not hold any secret information.  What I have to share is for the public.   What I have to share can't hurt kids.  It can hurt others, but that is not my concern.   I am not afraid of the truth.  Why shouldn't everyone be privey to ALL information so that good decisions can be made concerning the kids.

I don't understand all of the paranoia you Anon's have.

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Are you afraid that someone might hear what I say and agree with me?  Are you afraid you might end up in jail or a luney bin?  If what I am saying is so ridiculous, then why are you so afraid?  Why all of the attacks on me?  Why the worry?  

Are you afraid someone may listen?  I can assure you when you attack me I am not worried.  If I were, if I thought someone would believe it, I would fight back.  I don't because I know there is no need to.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Parents should be held accountable!
« on: October 11, 2003, 10:10:00 PM »
Karen stated on another thread:

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No one would agree to the kind of cutting off thats actually takes place if they understood it from the start.


I think it is funny that you say this. You know why? The reason is, and so you will know, I too am very much against these programs, however, probably 90% or more of the parents that I have spoken with in regard to the limited communication and the length of time that lapsed before they were able to talk to their child, chose to leave their child in the program for much longer than what the "enrollment agreement" stated was the norm. Why did such a high number of these now disgruntle parents go along with it when it became a reality? So as you say "no one would agree to the kind of cutting off thats actually takes place" then why did it take them so long, like months, to say "hey something is not right here."

I agree in a moment of desparation a parent might make a poor decision about the placement of their child in a program, but after the dust settles why do they then not start to see the signs? Why has it taken a lot of these disgruntle parents so long to see what was happening?

We even know of one parent, someone you and I both know, who made trips to Dundee, and yet left her child there for a year, and is now speaking out against them. WHY? Why did it take a year? Why did it take Amberly 6 months, after resigning (a total of 10 -12 if you add her time at Dundee) to speak out against Dundee? Why with what all has been discovered did it take these two people so long to speak out? Were they afraid for themselves? That is the only thing I can figure. Here you have two adults, actually three given Randall, who could have saved a lot of children a lot of pain and suffering much sooner.

I am so tired of adults who now play the blame game and today act as though they are so righteous. Once again, I think it is a save your butt senario, just like the PURE save your butt senario. I question whether any of these individuals motive is that of protecting children.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Lon / WWASP
« on: October 08, 2003, 10:00:00 AM »
On what grounds would Lon Woodbury have the right to refuse advertisement for WWASP without risking being sued for prejudices?

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