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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Carey on May 21, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
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...is everybody doing?
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On 2006-05-21 18:17:00, Carey wrote:
"...is everybody doing?
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Hey Carey,
How the hell are ya? And the boys?
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Not bad! NU? Long time no hear from ya. Hope all is well.
I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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:evil:
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Hi Deborah. Hi Ginger. Things are going pretty good. The boys are both in the military. One is serving in Iraq (Infantry air assault division) and the other is in Germany (information technology). They both are happy and proud of what they are doing although, they miss home and they miss their girl friends terribly. Garred will be back from Iraq in August and Geoff will be in Germany for another year.
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That's good to hear!
Everything that people say to you is personal. Whether it is constructive criticism or not will determine whether it cam from and asshole or not.
----Bill Warbis
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So what are they telling you about their adventures abroad?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-- Albert Einstein
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Geoff, who is in Germany, loves it. He has been doing some traveling on the weekends. He and some of his buddys take a train every other weekend and visit different cities. He has been doing a lot of traveling since he has been there.
Garred, who is in Iraq, is not exactly loving it, but he does feel like he is doing something that will make life better for others. He said it will take 30 years of us being over there to make a change. He said we would need to raise a whole generation of people in order for Iraq to under go real change. He said the people have be oppressed and beaten down for so long that they just don't have it in themselves to stand up for themselves. He said he really feels bad for the women and how they are treated.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2006-05-26 08:03 ]
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***He said we would need to raise a whole generation of people in order for Iraq to under go real change. He said the people have be oppressed and beaten down for so long that they just don't have it in themselves to stand up for themselves. He said he really feels bad for the women and how they are treated.
Dear lord, what does that sound like?
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Deborah, I am not sure what you mean by "what does that sound like?"
Are you referring to Iraq and Sadam and how he has "oppressed and beaten down" the Iraqi people and comparing that to the "teen help" industry? If so, it sounds very familiar.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2006-05-26 09:16 ]
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On 2006-05-26 09:15:00, Carey wrote:
"Deborah, I am not sure what you mean by "what does that sound like?"
Are you referring to Iraq and Sadam and how he has "oppressed and beaten down" the Iraqi people and comparing that to the "teen help" industry? If so, it sounds very familiar.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2006-05-26 09:16 ]"
Naw, I'm referring to the arrogant and unjustified occupation of Iraq by the US, and the large numbers of innocent civilians being slaughter (beaten down/oppressed) so the US can control their natural resources.
I see many parallels to the industry.
I hope Garred is not witnessing or being forced to do this:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =32#197535 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=15571&forum=32#197535)
and if he is, that he will not suffer any psychological distress.[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-05-26 10:34 ]
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Just don't see the connection--Iraq War to the Teen Help Industry, other than both are loser projects that are putting young people in danger.
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WWII --> Korea War --> CIA --> Experimental Psychology --> Private Industry --> + Drug War = FUN FOR ALL!
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Naw, I'm referring to the arrogant and unjustified occupation of Iraq by the US, and the large numbers of innocent civilians being slaughter (beaten down/oppressed) so the US can control their natural resources.
I see many parallels to the industry.
I hope Garred is not witnessing or being forced to do this:"
Wow, what an opinion. And the great thing about this country is you are intitled to it! I just don't share it with you.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2006-05-26 20:14 ]
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Carey,
Are you selling WWASSP anything from here this time around or ratting out advocates to their lawyers again? These posts are not for sale and by all means, leave the advocates alone. Tootaloo
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On 2006-05-26 19:56:00, Carey wrote:
"Naw, I'm referring to the arrogant and unjustified occupation of Iraq by the US, and the large numbers of innocent civilians being slaughter (beaten down/oppressed) so the US can control their natural resources.
I see many parallels to the industry.
I hope Garred is not witnessing or being forced to do this:"
Wow, what an opinion. And the great thing about this country is you are intitled to it! I just don't share it with you.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2006-05-26 20:14 ]"
Carey, I hope your son is doing well. My brother in law is in Iraq--he's with the 101st A.A., helping train the Iraqi Army. He's in a group of officers and NCOs they detached to do training, so he's embedded with the Iraqis. Probably not deployed anywhere near your son. But hey, it's a small world, isn't it?
It has to suck for the people who don't have friends and family over there and so can't get the straight story from people they know. I guess if I had to form an opinion based just on what the press reports, it would be pretty hard to sort out reality from spin.
Anyway, tell him to keep his head down and come home safe.
Julie
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Thanks Julie! I am proud of Garred and I support him and your brother in law and all of the other soldiers who are in the armed forces. I know they are there to help the people of Iraq.
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I am sure your son and others are there "to help the people of Iraq" unfortunately we had to slaughter tens of thousands of them first. the real truth is that they are there to help corporate America get rich. The ten billion or so a week being sucked out of the economy is going into the pockets of Haliburten, Lockheed Martin, Brown and Root, Bechtel, Rayethon etc. War profiteers one and all. Now we have billions unaccounted for, fraud and Americans murdering civilians in retalitation. Of course the Iraqis are beaten down; that is the only way we could have been able to come in and beat them down some more. . Ever wonder why there is no "exit strategy"? Duh, no exit was ever intended. The neoconartists running the show and needing a PERMANENT foothold in the middle east choose Iraq because the country was very weak after ten years of sanctions. I worked in a place where twice a year a former ambassador to North Africa gave lectures to aspiring foreign area officers. He said repeatedly that the reason the US did not remove Sadam in the early 90's was because he was the only force keep opposing factions from creating civil war and chaos. So the neocons knew what they were doing when they chose Iraq; it was a weakened country ready to explode into civil war. It is scary that people have totally forgotten that the invasion of Iraq was sold to the public as being the only way to prevent an immediated attack from Iraq. After the lies were exposed no one got outraged that the President subverted the consitution by declaring an unjust, illegal and immoral war. As for the press: until now they have sucked up to the president ( Judith Miller, NY times) ; supported the war and kept information from the people. It is only now that any mainstream press dares to
finally report something approaching the truth, thousands and thousands of deaths later. Just remember Sadam was our friend (SPECIAL friend of Mr. Rumsfeld!) in the 80's; why we even sold him chemicals for making mustard gas and did not raise a cry when he gassed the Kurds with it!
Your son and the armed forces in Iraq are the last ones to know the real story. Yes they know the day to day dangers; their lives are on the line but they only know what they are told by the higher ups and unless they are skilled Arab linguists they don't know squat about the people because they can't talk to them. I am sure being in Iraq is hellish and I am sorry your son or any one's son is there but no matter how noble their hearts may be, no matter how good their intentions are they are being used for an evil evil cause and we are all going to be paying for it a real long time...oh yea that former abassador also said the people in that region are very unforgiving and carry resentmentsts and grudges for hundreds of years. I wonder how long it will take an Iraq to "get over" watching his family and home be blown to bits by an American missle? Trying to help the Iraq's is a myth not too many people believe anymore; just those that have to so they won't have to face the fact that their son, daughter, brother, sister, mother, father died to protect the deep pockets of American war profiteers.
And as for that freedom to speak you better watch your back because those rights are rapidly eroding thanks to the present administration.
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I see many obvious comparisons between WWASPSs and what the current administration is doing.
Head out of the sand? Ready, here we go:
1. The people bankrolling the war are the same people who have made millions off of the so-called troubled teen (read: troubled parent) industry.
2. The current administration is now doing to the American public via the so-called patriot act, what parents have been paying millions of dollars to WWASPS to do to their children: deprive of us our rights and trash the constitution.
And for all the evil Sadam is accused of the Iraqi people are unanimous in declaring they were better off under his rule then they are now.
Now you, yes you, you naturally born citizen can be stripped of your citizenship and deported to any country of America's choice. You too can be jailed without access to an attorney or your family and kept indefintely incarcerated without any charges being brought against you and without your family knowing where you are. You too can be beaten into confessing things you never did (sound a bit like the inquisition? Well Religious Sadism is nothing new) Sounds a lot like what parents have been paying "escorts" and WWASPS to do to their kids and now we are all about to get a taste of that medicine. The perpetrators of all this madness have taken their ill-gotten gains and made massive contributions to the powers that be.
As evil as Sadam was accused of being, the Iraqi people are unanimous in their opinion that they were much better off under his rule then they are now and then they will be under American rule. At least, despite 10 years of sanctions, they had water and electricity. Now they have a devasted infrastructure while billions meant to rebuild goes into the pockets of Bush's friends, yes those same lovely people who brought you the concept of WWASP.