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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Troll Control on August 18, 2010, 10:48:14 AM
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It's interesting that although Len Buccellato is just now "officially" announcing "Ridge Creek School" (RCS is HLA for those of you who don't already know they just changed their name), RCS already has a sordid history of ORS violations including extreme violence, unreported incidents, police involvement, arrests, assaults, failure to follow treatment plans and a generalized underpinning of poor/unqualified staffing.
RCS has been hit with many serious ORS violations already and it sure looks like there will be plenty more to come. Parents, beware Ed Cons promoting RCS and don't fall for RCS marketing spin. They are already in serious trouble with watchdogs and they are reportedly colocated on a property where RCS principals also operate a privately run Georgia DOC juvenile lockup facility where convicted criminals are sent to do their time on a contract basis.
This is a recipe for disaster for children who need legitimate help.
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Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
1/26/2010
3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this visit was to conduct an investigation into Ga., 77483.
R 0709 290-2-5-.07(d) Inspections and Investigations.
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Failure to Allow Access. Failure to allow access of the department's representative to the institution, its staff, or
the children receiving care at the institution or the books, records, papers, or other information related to initial or
continued licens
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on a requested record review and staff interview the agency failed to allow acces to the
institution's resident case records.
Findings include:
Upon a request by the surveyor to review the facility's residential case records on 1/26/2010 at
11:00 am, the surveyor was told by Staff A that the requested records were not accessible at the
time of the inspection due to the agency having technical difficulties with their electronic filing
system.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:00 pm with Staff A revealed that their system " Best Note"
is down and that all information is stored there.
R 0840 290-2-5-.08(6) Staffing.
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Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
1/26/2010
3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
Staffing. The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to
provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to
ensure that assigne
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
****Based on file review and staff interview the agency failed to provide for the needs, care,
protection, and supervision of children.
Findings include:
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 11:30 am with Resident #1 revealed that ( he/she recalls the
incident in question and it began when- on the day of the incident (1/9/2010),) all of the students
were in the Student Activity Center (SAC). Resident #1 stated that he/she was approached by
Resident #2 who inquired if he/she made a derogatory statement, referencing two other students
that are known by all of the students to be "a couple" and whom Resident #1 had written a racial
slur on the wall approximately a week prior. Resident #1 stated that as the confrontation
continued, a group of other students became involved . ( and the argument began to become
threatening.- delete) Resident #1 stated that during the argument, Resident #4 approached
him/her from behind and "punched him/her in the back of the head twice". Resident #1 reported
that Resident #4 was then restrained by staff? and that Resident #2 responded by becoming
irate and blocked the exit doorway that staff members were attempting to exit thru with Resident
#4. Resident #1 stated that he/she could hear the remaining students "plotting on how to hit
him/her" and then Resident #2 began to approach him/her, but "was restrained on the ground by
Staff B". Resident #1 reported that Resident #2 accompanied by Resident #3 began to fight Staff
B, punching and kicking the staff member in the face and torso area while the remaining group
of students attempted to bombard him/her. Resident #1 stated that he/she ran out of the
building, slipped on the ice covering the walkway, and fell into some shrubbery. Resident #1
stated that he/she could hear the other resident attempting to follow after him/her; however,
Resident #7 "blocked the exit way and instructed him/her to run" . Resident #1 stated that
he/she and another student left the area; however, he/she was soon stopped by a group of
residents who continued to strike him/her. The other students held them off while he/she locked
him/herself in a car until staff members arrived. The police responded shortly afterwards.
(Resident #1 stated that upon returning to his/her room, it was discovered that someone had
broken his/her electric guitar which he/she estimated to be worth four thousand dollars.- Pam
questioned the relevance. I thought you were trying to show that the residents were obviously
unsupervised at that time as well to have been able to destroy property in a bedroom, but she felt
the connection needed to be made more clear. You can either leave as is, delet or add more)
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Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Result
Resident #1 stated that he/she received an injury to the eye when hit by Resident #4 and
scrapes/scratches from falling into the shrubs. Resident #1 reported that he/she recalls four staff
members on duty; however; one had gone to get lunch. Resident #1 stated that staff members
did not intervene during the onset of the altercation and only responded once he/she had been
struck by Resident #4.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:00 pm with Resident #4 revealed that ( he/she recalls the
incident in question. Resident #4 stated that - delete ) on the day of the incident (1/9/2010),
Resident #1 was "being racist" and wrote derogatory statements using inappropriate language
in reference to ( African Americans- race ) . Resident #4 stated that while in the SAC, Resident #1
then verbalized derogatory statements using inappropriate language ( in reference to African
Americans- regarding race ) and that "a group of students got mad and beat Resident #1 up".
Resident #4 stated ("staff members- do we know which ones so that we can add their
non-identifiers? If not, leave as is) were attempting to contain the situation and deal with all of
the other students but that other students ultimately pulled ( him/her- use non identifier. unclear
if this is referring to staff or resident) away so that Resident #1 would not get beat up that bad".
Resident #4 stated that he/she recalls three to four staff members being present at the time of the
incident.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:30 pm with Resident #5 revealed that he/she recalls the
1/9/2010 incident ( in question- delete) and that "all of the trouble started a few weeks ago when
Resident #1 wrote "a racial slur" on the bathroom wall and staff members did not give Resident
#1 a consequence for the act. Resident # 5 stated that specifically, the incident in question
began when the students were made aware that Resident #1 had made a ( verbal- delete) racial
slur when Resident #1 and #2 began to argue. Resident #5 reported that a group of students
attempted to "fight" Resident #1 and were "able to get a few hits in when Resident #1 ran out of
the building". Resident # 5 stated that he/she and a group of other residents attempted to follow,
however were stopped by Resident #7, who ultimately "restrained and then drug him/her back
into the building. " Is this where the end of quote goes?
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 1:00 pm with Resident #6 revealed that (he/she recalls the
incident in question. Resident #6 stated that on the day of the incident (1/9/2010), ( he/she-
Resident #6?) became involved in a conflict with Resident #1 upon gaining knowledge that
Resident # 1 wrote a derogatory statement ( towards African Americans- regarding race) on the
wall. Resident #6 stated, during this occurrence, he/she confronted Resident #1 about the act
and Resident #1 assured him/her that "nothing like that would happen again". Resident #6
stated that on the day of the incident in question, which was approximately a week later,
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3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Result
Resident #1 verbalized a racial slur directed at two students of different races that are involved in
a relationship.
File review conducted on 3/30/2010 of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, revealed that
the incident occurred on 1/9/2010 at approximately 4:00 pm, when staff members heard an
argument going on in the movie room of the Student Activity Center (SAC). The report states that
Staff members B, C and D observed Resident #1 being confronted by Resident #2, #4, #5, and #6
in regards to "a racist comment that he/she made towards another student". The report states
that the students surrounded Resident #1 and that staff members "tried to defuse the situation"
when Resident #4 moved behind Resident
#1 and "began to repeatedly hit Resident #1 in the head". The report stated that Staff D placed
Resident #4 into a "double arm bar restraint" while Resident #1 was escorted by Staff members
B and C into the main room of the SAC. The report states that Staff C instructed Resident #1 to
leave and go to the dorm, but Resident #1 refused to comply. The report then states that
Resident #2 "jumped in front of" Resident #1 and stated that Resident #1 was not leaving.
Resident #2 then yelled to Resident #4, #5, and # 6 asking "do they have his/her back" and will
they participate in assaulting Resident #1. The report continues to describe various efforts
employed by Resident #2 to rally residents and instances in which the residents were
disobedient and disrespectful to staff members. Ultimately the report states that Staff B got
between Resident #1 and #2 and that Resident #2 "shoved Staff B and then slapped Resident
#1". The report states that Staff B then "escorted Resident #2 to the ground and that Staff C
grabbed his/her legs". The report states that while Staff B attempted "to get into the proper
seated double arm bar restraint, Resident #3 "ran up and repeatedly kicked Staff B in his/her face
causing his/her lips to split, nose to bleed, and bruising on the forehead". The report states that
"other students and Staff D pulled Resident #3 off of Staff B and that Staff C got up to help with
the restraint. The report then states that Resident #1 ran out of the front door of the SAC and that
Resident #4, #5, #6, and #8 followed after him/her. The report continues to state that Resident #2
attempted to follow and that ultimately Staff B "placed him/her in a standing double arm bar
restraint" when Resident #3 intervened and attempted to punch Staff B. The report states that
Staff B was able " to dodge the punch and that two other residents restrained Resident #3
"followed by Staff D". The report states that "outside of the dorm, Resident #1 was hit several
times in the face; his/her right eye was swollen the next day.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:05 pm., with Staff A revealed that staff to client ratio at the
time of the incident was 6 staff members to 40 students. Staff A stated that he/she believes that
the number of staff members was suitable; however, he/she believes that staff members reaction
to the incident was inappropriate- was it indicated how so? If not, leave as is.). Staff A stated
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Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
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3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
that additionally there was "one clinical worker on call that lived on campus and that he/she and
another staff member arrived on campus" after being notified of the incident.
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
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Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview , the agency failed to submit a detailed written summary
report to the Department of Human Resources, Office of Regulatory Services, Residential Child
Care Unit within 24 hours.
Findings include:
File review conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:00 pm of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010,
revealed that the local county sheriff's office was contacted regarding this incident and as a
result Resident #2 and #3 were arrested and detained. The agency did not make a report of the
incident to the Department of Human Resources, Office of Regulatory Services, Residential Child
Care Unit within 24 hours of its occurrence.
Interview conducted on 1/26/010 at 5:15 pm with Staff A revealed that the agency was not aware
that a report was required to be made to the department in connection to police involvement with
residents and that he/she was under the impression that charges had to have been filed by the
agency.
R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
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and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
1/26/2010
3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
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This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;
(
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview, the agency failed to submit a detailed written summary
report regarding serious occurrences involving children in care.
Findings include:
File review conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:00 pm of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010,
revealed that the local county sheriff's office was contacted regarding this incident and as a
result Resident #2 and #3 were arrested and detained. The agency did not submit a detailed
written summary report regarding serious occurrences involving children in care.
Interview conducted on 1/26/010 at 5:15 pm with Staff A revealed that the agency was not aware
that a report was required to be made to the department in connection to police involvement with
residents and that he/she was under the impression that charges had to have been filed by the
agency.
R 1413 290-2-5-.14(1)(d) Behavior Management.
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Residents shall not be permitted to participate in the behavior management of other residents or to discipline other
residents, except as part of an organized therapeutic self-governing program in accordance with accepted
standards of practice that is con
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview, residents were allowed to participate in the behavior
management of other residents.
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Inspection end date:
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3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
Findings include:
File review conducted on 3/30/2010 of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, revealed that
the incident occurred on 1/9/2010 at approximately 4:00 pm, when staff members heard an
argument going on in the movie room of the Student Activity Center (SAC). The report states that
Staff members B, C and D observed Resident #1 being confronted by Resident #2, #4, #5, and #6
in regards to "a racist comment that he/she made towards another student". The report states
that the students surrounded Resident #1 and that staff members "tried to defuse the situation"
when Resident #4 moved behind Resident #1and "began to repeatedly hit Resident #1 in the
head". The report stated that Staff D placed Resident #4 into a "double arm bar restraint" while
Resident #1 was escorted by Staff members B and C into the main room of the SAC. The report
states that Staff C instructed Resident #1 to leave and go to the dorm, but Resident #1 refused to
comply. The report then states that Resident #2 "jumped in front of" Resident #1 and stated that
Resident #1 was not leaving. Resident #2 then yelled to Resident #4, #5, and # 6 asking "do
they have his/her back" and will they participate in assaulting Resident #1. The report
continues to describe various efforts employed by Resident #2 to rally residents and instances in
which the residents were disobedient and disrespectful to staff members. Ultimately the report
states that Staff B got between Resident #1 and #2 and that Resident #2 "shoved Staff B and
then slapped Resident #1". The report states that Staff B then "escorted Resident #2 to the
ground and that Staff C grabbed his/her legs". The report states that while Staff B attempted "to
get into the proper seated double arm bar restraint, Resident #3 "ran up and repeatedly kicked
Staff B in his/her face causing his/her lips to split, nose to bleed, and bruising on the forehead".
The report states that "other students and Staff D pulled Resident #3 off of Staff B and that Staff
C got up to help with the restraint. The report then states that Resident #1 ran out of the front
door of the SAC and that Resident #4, #5, #6, and #8 followed after him/her. The report continues
to state that Resident #2 attempted to follow and that ultimately Staff B "placed him/her in a
standing double arm bar restraint" when Resident #3 intervened and attempted to punch Staff B.
The report states that Staff B was able " to dodge the punch and that two other residents
restrained Resident #3 "followed by Staff D". The report states that "outside of the dorm,
Resident #1 was hit several times in the face; his/her right eye was swollen the next day.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:30 pm with Staff A revealed that he/she acknowledges that
"students were involved in the behavior managment of other students; however, maintains that
the agency does not allow students to participate in the behavioral management of other
students."
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3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
R 1420 290-2-5-.14(2)(c)2. Emergency Safety Interventions.
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Emergency safety interventions policies and procedures shall include: ...
2. Provisions for the documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention including:
(i) Date and a description of the precipitating incident;
(ii) Description of the
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview the agency failed to document provisions for the
documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention.
Findings include:
A file review conducted of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, indicated that emergency
safety interventions were carried out on several residents; however, there was no provision for
the documentation (on the provisions - delete) for each use.
File review conducted on 3/30/2010 of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, revealed that
the incident occurred on 1/9/2010 at approximately 4:00 pm, when staff members heard an
argument going on in the movie room of the Student Activity Center (SAC). The report states that
Staff members B, C and D observed Resident #1 being confronted by Resident #2, #4, #5, and #6
in regards to "a racist comment that he/she made towards another student". The report states
that the students surrounded Resident #1 and that staff members "tried to defuse the situation"
when Resident #4 moved behind Resident #1 and "began to repeatedly hit Resident #1 in the
head". The report stated that Staff D placed Resident #4 into a "double arm bar restraint" while
Resident #1 was escorted by Staff members B and C into the main room of the SAC. The report
states that Staff C instructed Resident #1 to leave and go to the dorm, but Resident #1 refused to
comply. The report then states that Resident #2 "jumped in front of" Resident #1 and stated that
Resident #1 was not leaving. Resident #2 then yelled to Resident #4, #5, and # 6 asking "do they
have his/her back" and will they participate in assaulting Resident #1. The report continues to
describe various efforts employed by Resident #2 to rally residents and instances in which the
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Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
1/26/2010
3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
residents were disobedient and disrespectful to staff members. Ultimately the report states that
Staff B got between Resident #1 and #2 and that Resident #2 "shoved Staff B and then slapped
Resident #1". The report states that Staff B then "escorted Resident #2 to the ground and that
Staff C grabbed his/her legs". The report states that while Staff B attempted "to get into the
proper seated double arm bar restraint, Resident #3 "ran up and repeatedly kicked Staff B in
his/her face causing his/her lips to split, nose to bleed, and bruising on the forehead". The report
states that "other students and Staff D pulled Resident #3 off of Staff B and that Staff C got up to
help with the restraint. The report then states that Resident #1 ran out of the front door of the
SAC and that Resident #4, #5, #6, and #8 followed after him/her. The report continues to state
that Resident #2 attempted to follow and that ultimately Staff B "placed him/her in a standing
double arm bar restraint" when Resident #3 intervened and attempted to punch Staff B. The
report states that Staff B was able " to dodge the punch and that two other residents restrained
Resident #3 "followed by Staff D". The report states that "outside of the dorm, Resident #1 was
hit several times in the face; his/her right eye was swollen the next day.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:35 pm with Staff A revealed that he/she acknowledges that
there was no documentation of the identified emergency safety interventions described.
R 9999 Closing Comments.
This visit was concluded with an exit conference. A preliminary inspection report was submitted
to the agency on 4/12/2010. A plan of correction is due ten days after receipt of the survey.
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7/21/2010
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Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this survey is to conduct an investigation for self reported incident #GA00083346.
R 0840 290-2-5-.08(6) Staffing.
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Staffing. The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to
provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to
ensure that assigne
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
****Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to have sufficient numbers of
trained staff to provide for the protection of children in care.
Findings include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #1's incident report, dated 6/10/2010, revealed that at
9:15 pm, Staff A went into Resident #1's room to talk with him/her about some issues Resident #1
has been struggling with throughout the day. This report indicated that Resident #1 was sitting at
the computer with another resident and Staff A began questioning Resident #1. This report stated
that at this time Resident #1 picked up the computer and threw it against the wall. The report
indicated that Resident #1 then proceeded to pick up his/her chair and broke the glass window.
This report revealed that Staff A proceeded to direct Resident #1 outside to where he/she could
calm down and regain his/her thoughts. The report then stated that Resident #1 said he/she was
not going outside until he/she dealt with something first. The report went on to state that
Resident #1 got up and ran to a room where Resident #2 was located, which was down the hall in
this dorm. This report stated that Resident #1 and #2 began fighting. According to this report
other residents began to jump in by punching and kicking Resident #1. Staff A wrote that other
staff attempted to break up the fight and was assisted by Staff B.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Staff A's training, revealed that on April 28-30, 2010 he/she
received full certification in Therapeutic Aggression Control Techniques-2 (TACT-2). Staff A's
date of hire was 3/15/2010.
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Street Address, City, State Zip Code
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DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
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Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Staff B's training, revealed that on April 28-30, 2010, he/she
received verbal certification on TACT 2. Staff B's date of hire was 1/29/2010.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Staff C's file, revealed that he/she has not been trained on any
emergency safety interventions. Staff C's date of hire was 6/1/2010.
Interview with Staff D was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:46 pm. Staff D stated that Staff B did
complete the full TACT-2 training, but received verbal certification because she/he has a smaller
stature than the residents.
Interview with Staff A was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 2:15 pm. Staff A reported that the incident
happened on 6/10/2010. Staff A said he/she was coming in the dorms around 9:15 pm and was
going to follow up with Resident #1 as he/she requested earlier for another issue. Staff A
reported that Resident #1 was sitting at his/her computer and talking with another resident. Staff
A said Resident #1 was crying and picked up the computer and pushed it away. Staff A said
he/she offered to speak with Resident #1, but Resident #1 refused. Staff A said Resident #1 then
picked up a chair and said "not until I finish some business." Staff A said Resident #1 then threw
the chair against the window causing it to shatter. Staff A went on to state that Resident #1 ran
out of his/her room towards Resident #2's room. Staff A said Resident #1 was screaming and
running causing residents to look. Staff A said when he/she got to the room there was Resident
#1 and #2. Staff A said he/she arrived in the room the same time Resident #3 and #4 entered. Staff
A reported that there was a split second where it was just Resident #1 and #2 alone in the room,
so he/she was able to pull Resident #2 to the side. Staff A said Resident #1 was on the floor when
Resident #3 and #4 started kicking Resident #1. Staff A then stated that he/she was trying to
cover Resident #1 and deflect as many of the kicks as possible. Staff A said about 10 seconds
after he/she arrived in the room, Staff C entered; however, Staff C wasn't able to assist as much
because he/she was not trained in emergency safety interventions. Staff A said Resident #1
received about 10-15 kicks to the face and blood was everywhere. Staff A then reported that
Resident #3 pushed Staff C to the side. Staff A recalled that Staff B came in the room right after
Staff C. Staff A stated that Resident #4 pushed Staff B through a crowd of residents that were
outside the room blocking the entrance. Staff A then reported that Staff B was able to get back up
and restrain Resident #4. Staff A said when Resident #4 was restrained, he/she could be heard
and got the residents to leave the area. Staff A said Staff B was able to get the aggressors out of
the room. Staff A said he/she walked Resident #1 out of the room and and took Resident #1 to
the emergency room with Staff B. Staff A stated that Staff C was on his/her second day of work,
so he/she was trying to get the residents away, but did not restrain anyone. Staff A indicated that
Resident #1 had a broken nose, 2 chipped teeth, but no concussion. Staff A recalled that there
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were about 15 residents present in the doorway at the time of the incident. Staff A reported that at
the time of the incident there were 29 residents total, including the ones that were fighting, and
three staff members on duty for that dorm.
Interview with Resident #1 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 2:42 pm. Resident #1 reported that at
the beginning of the day he/she had a fight with another resident that day, who was later picked
on by Resident #5. Resident #1 said she/he told his/her counselor about the issue and the
counselor spoke with Resident #5. Resident #1 said later that day Resident #2 came to his/her
room and threatened him/her. Resident #1 said he/she got angry and ran down the hall to
Resident #2's room. Resident #1 said they started fighting and all he/she can remember is being
attacked by others. Resident #1 said Staff A was trying to keep Resident #2 off of him/her, while
Staff B was trying to enter the room. Resident #1 stated that some residents blocking the door.
Resident #1 said residents were hitting him/her. Resident #1 said he/she went to the hospital and
was diagnosed with a broken nose and swelling. Resident #1 said Staff A and B took him/her to
the emergency room. Resident #1 said he/she blacked out a little when he/she was hit to the
head. Resident #1 reported that staff knew he/she was getting angry throughout the day, but Staff
A did what he/she could. Resident #1 said he/she told his/her counselor that day that he/she was
being antagonized by Resident #5. Resident #1 said he/she thinks that Staff A knew about the
problems he/she was having and that's why Staff A came to the room to talk. Resident #1 said
Staff C didn't get in the room, but Staff B was trying to keep people out of the room.
Interview with Staff C was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:00 pm. Staff C said on June 10th, he/she
noticed something was going on when Resident #1 broke a window. Staff C said Staff A was with
Resident #1. Staff C said he/she was floating around the dorms when he/she heard yelling. Staff
C said Resident #2 was in the hallway when Resident #1 made it into Resident #2's room. Staff C
said it was a "mad rush" between residents and staff going to the room. Staff C said when he/she
made it in the room, he/she saw Resident #2, #3, and #4 beating on Resident #1. Staff C stated
that he/she grabbed the shoulder of Resident #3 while Staff A was shielding Resident #1. Staff C
said Resident #3 was able to break free and kick Resident #1. Staff C said Staff B came in the
room after having some trouble entering due to residents blocking the doorway. Staff C said Staff
B was able to get Resident #4 to leave the room. Staff C said he/she didn't know the cause of the
fight and did not know there was tension going on that day. Staff C said he/she was with a group
of residents earlier that day when Resident #1 accidentally hit one of the residents with a stick.
Staff C said he/she was told later that this was the cause of the tension throughout the day. Staff
C recalled that there were approximately 27-30 residents present on the day of the incident and
there were 4 staff members assigned to that dorm. Staff C said he/she is not sure if all four staff
members were present, but one could have been administering medication at that time.
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Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 stated that
he/she doesn't feel like staff did their job, because it took staff 5 minutes to intervene with the
fight. Resident #2 reported that Resident #1 started the fight by coming after him/her. Resident #2
said Resident #1 charged at him/her and there was no staff around. Resident #2 said Resident #1
struck first and he/she doesn't remember what happened next. Resident #2 said he/she doesn't
remember how the fight ended because he/she "pretty much blacked out."
Interview with Resident #4 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:25 pm. Resident #4 did report that
staff could have done more because they knew Resident #1 was "heated" that day, but they just
let everything unfold.
Interview with Resident #3 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:29 pm. Resident #3 stated that the
day of the incident his/her roommate, Resident #5, came to him/her and said he/she was afraid
that Resident #1 would kill him/her. Resident #3 said later that night he/she and Resident #2
asked Resident #1 why was he/she threatening Resident #5. Resident #3 said he/she was in
Resident #4's room when he/she heard a crash and screaming. Resident #3 said he/she saw
Resident #1 run by the room. Resident #3 said someone said that Resident #1 just broke a
window and was trying to attack Resident #2. Resident #3 said Resident #2 is one of his/her best
friends and he/she thought about Resident #1's threats to others. Resident #3 said he/she was
afraid that Resident #1 would injure Resident #2. Resident #1 said he/she was thinking that
Resident #1 had a piece of glass from the broken window. Resident #3 then admitted that he/she
pushed Resident #1 away from Resident #2 and Resident #1 turned around and hit him/her.
Resident #3 said he/she got angry and hit Resident #1 multiple times. Resident #3 said staff
intervened when Resident #1 was on the floor knocked out. Resident #3 said Staff B was
watching at the door, and Staff C had his/her arm around Resident #3's body. Resident #3 said
his/her arms were by his/her side in the hold by Staff C. Resident #3 indicated he/she stopped
fighting at that point. Resident #3 said it could have been prevented because staff knew Resident
#1 was angry that day. Resident #3 said the counselor talked with Resident #5 and told him/her
that Resident #1 threatened to kill him/her. Resident #3 said he/she is not sure how many staff
members were present this day or how long it took Staff A to enter the room.
Interview with Staff B was conducted on 6/29/2010 at 2:50 pm. Staff B reported that all day there
were rumors about Resident #1 wanting to beat up Resident #5 and that Resident #5's friends
went into Resident #1's room and asked why he/she was threatening Resident #5. Staff B
reported that Resident #1 got angry and Staff A tried to speak with Resident #1. Staff B indicated
that Resident #1 threw a chair at the window and Staff B was standing in the doorway. Staff B
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said Resident #1 then came out of the room forcefully and pointed at Resident #2. Staff B
indicated that Resident #1 and #2 went into the room and Staff A and B ran down the hallway
after them. Staff B said the other residents were there and Staff B stood over Resident #1. Staff B
reported that Resident #3 and #4 were in the room kicking Resident #1. Staff B said she/he went
behind Resident #4 and took him/her by the arm. Staff B said Resident #4 left the room. Staff B
said she/he doesn't know what Staff C was doing because everything happened so quickly. Staff
B said she/he doesn't think that Staff C physically restrained anyone. Staff B said she/he did not
use a TACT2 restraint, she/he just took Resident #4 by the arm to escort out the room. Staff B
said Resident #4 wasn't fighting back. Staff B said Resident #4 was the only one she/he
physically touched. Staff B reported that Resident #4 is his/her size and has a good rapport with
him/her, so it was easier to get Resident #4 out of the room. Staff B said Resident #3 followed
and then Resident #2 exited the room. Staff B said Staff A got Resident #1 out of the room. Staff B
indicated that there were about 35 residents total in the dorm this day. Staff B said there were 3
staff members in the room. Staff B said one staff member was administering medication with
about 10 other residents. Staff B said 2 hours before the actual fight, a resident approached a
counselor and said it might be a fight and Resident #1 should be monitored. Staff B said Resident
#1's counselor told the leader of the reflections group (where Resident #1 was located at the
time). Staff B said the group leader sent Resident #5 off campus to keep his/her separated from
Resident #1. Staff B reported that Staff A was waiting to speak with Resident #1 after the
reflections group. Staff B reported that Resident #1 was supervised close that day, but by the
time he/she got into the dorms he/she was beyond calming. Staff B reiterated that one staff
member was dispensing medication at the time of the fight and one staff member was monitoring
the residents that were waiting for medication. Staff B said she/he did not have to physically
restrain anyone. Staff B stated that the ratio is typically 4 staff to 30 residents, but sometimes
there are just 3 staff members. Staff B said as far as she/he knew, staff was talking about
monitoring Resident #1 that day. Staff B said she/he was standing in the doorway of the room
when Resident #1 came out forcefully, but due to the size difference, she/he moved and could
only follow Resident #1. Staff B said the incident happened fast and the residents moved toward
the room quickly. Staff B said the residents wouldn't move and hs/he had to push his/her way
through the door to enter the room. Staff B said the fight started about 30 seconds before she/he
entered the room.
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R 1003 290-2-5-.10(b) Assessment and Planning.
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A service and room, board and watchful oversight plan shall be developed by the child's Human Services
Professional in concert with the child's primary Child Care Worker, meaning the worker who has responsibility for
supervision of the child in the living
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to have completed Service, Room,
Board, and Watchful Oversight plans to include activities to be followed by staff in pursuit of
stated goals and objectives for two of four plans reviewed.
Findings Include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #1's Individual Service Plan, dated 5/11/2010,
revealed that the plan did not include activities to be followed by staff in pursuit of stated goals
and objectives. Resident #1 was admitted nearly two months ago.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #4's Individual Service Plan, dated 2/11/2010,
revealed that the plan did not include activities to be followed by staff in pursuit of stated goals
and objectives. Resident #4 was admitted nine months ago.
During interview with Staff D on 6/28/2010 at 4:56 pm, he/she acknowledged the findings.
This rule was previously cited on 12/10/2009 and 12/3/2008.
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R 1011 290-2-5-.10(d) Assessment and Planning.
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The service and room, board and watchful oversight plan shall be updated by the Human Services Professional at
a minimum of every six months and pertinent progress notes and data shall be incorporated in the plan to
measure attainment of stated goals and
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
****Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that the Service
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan is updated by the Human Services Professional at a
minimum of every six months for one of four files reviewed.
Findings Include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #2's individual Service Plan, dated 10/30/2009,
revealed that the plan is outdated. Resident #2 was admitted over eight months ago.
During interview with Staff D on 7/16/2010 at 2:42 pm, he/she acknowledged the findings after
he/she checked the agency's data base for the current plan.
This rule was previously cited on 12/10/2009 and 12/3/2008.
R 1402 290-2-5-.14(1)(b)2. Behavior Management.
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Such Behavior management policies and procedures shall incorporate the following minimum requirements: ...
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2. Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
service plan pursuant to Rule
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that behavior
management is limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan and in accordance with the prohibitions as specified
in the rules and regulations.
Findings Include
Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/2820/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 said he/she
doesn't remember what happened during the incident, but he/she knows that he/she was in a
fight. When asked if he/she received a consequence for fighting, Resident #2 indicated that staff
sent him/her to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #2's Individual Service Plan, dated 10/30/2009, did
not reveal that the wilderness intervention program would be used as a behavioral management
method.
Interview with Resident #4 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:25 pm. When asked if he/she
received a consequence for involvement with the physical altercation, Resident #4 said first staff
spoke with him/her then he/she was sent to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Resident #4 reported that the wilderness program is not on campus. It consists of a tavern and
the residents sleep on wooden boards.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #4's Individual Service Plan, dated 2/11/10, did not
reveal that the wilderness intervention program would be used as a behavioral management
method.
Interview with Resident #3 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:29 pm. Resident #3 stated that on
6/10/2010, Resident #5 came to him/her and said he/she was afraid that Resident #1 would kill
him/her. Resident #3 said later that night he/she and Resident #2 asked Resident #1 why was
he/she threatening Resident #5. Resident #3 said he/she was in Resident #4's room when he/she
heard a crash and screaming. Resident #3 said he/she saw Resident #1 run by the room.
Resident #3 said someone said that Resident #1 just broke a window and was trying to attack
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Resident #2. Resident #3 said Resident #2 is one of his/her best friends and he/she thought about
Resident #1's problems and remembered Resident #1 threatened others. Resident #3 said he/she
was afraid that Resident #1 would injure Resident #2. Resident #1 said he/she was thinking that
Resident #1 had a piece of glass from the broken window. Resident #3 then admitted that he/she
pushed Resident #1 away from Resident #2 and Resident #1 turned around and hit him/her.
Resident #3 said he/she got angry and hit Resident #1 multiple times. Resident #3 said he/she
was sent to the wilderness intervention program and slept on a flat sheet of wood. Resident #3
said he/she was in the wilderness intervention program for 1 week.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #3's Individualized Service Plan, dated 4/1/2010, did
not reveal that the wilderness intervention program would be utilized as a behavioral
management method.
During interview with Staff D on 6/28/2010 at 3:46 pm, Surveyor asked about the wilderness
intervention program. Staff D reported that wilderness intervention is used as a behavior
management technique.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 5:00 pm of the agency's Wilderness Intervention Curriculum, revealed a
form labeled "Odds and Ends". This form states the following: "Students are responsible for
maintaining their gear, equipment, and personal hygiene. If students break, lose, or do not
maintain equipment--they may have to do without (Stay within policies and procedures, and
safety). Keep wilderness student off main campus. No student is allowed in the shelter until
completion of Solo." This form also indicates that tents are utilized.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 5:00 pm of the agency's Wilderness Initiative Daily Schedule, revealed
examples of rewards given to residents which includes: extra sleeping pad, pillows. The
schedule dated May 3, 2010 indicates the following: "solo starts at 9:00 pm, students can only
communicate with staff, journal about life goals, and objectives."
Cross reference Tag 840
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R 1808 290-2-5-.18(2)(c) Physical Plant and Safety.
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Each child shall be provided his or her own personal bed and mattress that is no shorter than the child's height
and at least thirty inches wide. Clean sheets, pillows and pillow cases, blankets or bed covering shall be provided
and sheets and pillow case
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that each child shall be
provided his/her own personal bed and mattress with pillows, blankets or bed covering.
Findings Include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 5:00 pm of the agency's Wilderness Initiative Daily Schedule, revealed
examples of rewards given to residents which includes extra sleeping pad and pillows.
Interview with Resident #4 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:25 pm. When asked if he/she
received a consequence for involvement with the physical altercation, Resident #4 said that first
staff spoke with him/her then he/she was sent to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Resident #4 reported that the wilderness program is not on the campus. It consists of a tavern
and the residents sleep on wooden boards.
Interview with Resident #3 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:29 pm. Resident #3 stated that on
6/10/2010, he/she pushed Resident #1 away from Resident #2 and Resident #1 turned around and
hit him/her. Resident #3 said he/she got angry and hit Resident #1 multiple times. Resident #3
said he/she was sent to the wilderness intervention program as his/her consequence and slept
on a flat sheet of wood. Resident #3 said he/she was in the wilderness intervention program for 1
week.
R 9999 Closing Comments.
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An exit conference was conducted onsite. There was one rule violation related to self reported
incident #GA00083346. There were four rule violations found during the investigation. The
preliminary report was mailed on 7/12/2010. The plan of correction is due ten days after the
receipt of this report.
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It's interesting that although Len Buccellato is just now "officially" announcing "Ridge Creek School" (RCS is HLA for those of you who don't already know they just changed their name), RCS already has a sordid history of ORS violations including extreme violence, unreported incidents, police involvement, arrests, assaults, failure to follow treatment plans and a generalized underpinning of poor/unqualified staffing.
RCS has been hit with many serious ORS violations already and it sure looks like there will be plenty more to come. Parents, beware Ed Cons promoting RCS and don't fall for RCS marketing spin. They are already in serious trouble with watchdogs and they are reportedly colocated on a property where RCS principals also operate a privately run Georgia DOC juvenile lockup facility where convicted criminals are sent to do their time on a contract basis.
This is a recipe for disaster for children who need legitimate help.
I know DJ, it is just horrible to read about how inner city kids are beating up on one another.
Grow the fuck up.
So Danny, because they're inner city kids, you don't feel they deserve any help?
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
Hello, scroft. Thank you for posting your experience at RCS. It is indeed dangerous and violent. Len Buccellato has run other facilites the same way - uneducated staff, phony degrees, no treatment plans, violent kids, sexual predators, etc, etc, etc. This is no surprise to anyone here. We've all seen it before when RCS was called "Hidden Lake Academy" and amassed over 1600 pages of ORS violations, but due to cozy relationships between "regulators" and Buccellato, HLA never faced any consequences for their mammoth violations. It appears RCS is now getting the same free pass from ORS.
Of course, all of us who know about RCS know it is not populated with "inner city kids," but rather "upper and middle class suburban kids." There are several "pro-program" trolls here who will do and say quite literally anything to spin abusive shitholes like RCS as "gentle" and "effective" and to paint all of you parents who were snookered and had their kids hurt, maimed, raped or killed as "disgruntled by the expense of the program." Keep that in mind when you see posters like "DannyB II" and "Whooter" posting.
If I were you I'd call Phil Elberg immediately and get the ball rolling with an attorney who knows how these places operate and has won several big cases against programs like RCS. He's an attorney out of NJ, which is kinda far for you, but he's by far the best.
In the meantime, please post your experiences here in detail to warn others and attract co-litigants. People here will be happy to help with your research and uncover similar cases.
Again, thanks for posting your experience and I look forward to hearing more about it.
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Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there.
I was wondering, did you file complaints to ORS directly? If not, please do so and if they fail to act on your complaint they can become a target of future lawsuits as well. There are already a lot of people ready to sue ORS based on their HLA experiences, and you seem to have a great case based on injury to your daughter when the violence and lack of staff had already been reported to ORS who did not act as the law requires.
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See what I mean, scroft? He's going to be making up "quotes" of you soon, too. Of course, what he posts isn't vested in reality.
Please don't let this troll discourage you from posting your experiences.
scroft, please also be aware that this person trolling me works for the same type of program as RCS (Aspen Education) and at one time admitted to brokering a deal between HLA and Aspen Education for Aspen to buy the then-floundering HLA.
This is how their employees behave. Imagine what they do to kids behind closed doors? How they fabricate "treatment records" and "incident reports"? This type of person is caring for your kids right now at RCS, parents. Think about it.
Please check your PMs if you haven't already. Information on how to proceed legally against RCS has been sent to you. A few other parents would like to help you and receive your assistance as well. Good luck.
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Is there any way to stay on topic and not allow this thread, like other threads, to be derailed.
If any parent wishes to file a suit against Ridge Creek, please keep in mind the State and the Federal government is well-aware of Ridge Creek, formerly HLA. Although Georgia's agencies enjoy immunity, it is penetrable where negligence, ignoring their fiduciary responsibility, and corruption can be proven. There is a track record with Georgia's oversight agencies, discrepencies with reports of incidents, ORS, LCSO, etc. it is not good. In 2007, Keith Bostick, then of Georiga's ORS, now under DHS-Residential Child Care stated that if HLA had one more incident, they would shut them down.
Children's rights - Federal. Stay out of the State, if possible. Check with your attorney if GAO agents can be deposed and you can somehow get access to their records. It is all there. Send a letter, for a track record ,to the Governor's Office, Educational Oversight Department, they too are aware.
Any other Georgia agencies, there is a "red Flag" so to speak, regarding HLA/RC. You will be sent to "special handlers."
DJJ - Contract with Lumpkin County and State.
Georgia has FOIA forms, but as with the ORS, now DHS - RCC, unless specifically stated, they will send you 4 pages of thousands and plead ignorance, until pushed.
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Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits. Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!
Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board? Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?
Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see. I dont even know who Ottawa5 is. I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think. Why does he continue to make this stuff up? What is the point? No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.
Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.
Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.
Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
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If any parent wishes to file a suit against Ridge Creek, please keep in mind the State and the Federal government is well-aware of Ridge Creek, formerly HLA. Although Georgia's agencies enjoy immunity, it is penetrable where negligence, ignoring their fiduciary responsibility, and corruption can be proven. There is a track record with Georgia's oversight agencies, discrepencies with reports of incidents, ORS, LCSO, etc. it is not good. In 2007, Keith Bostick, then of Georiga's ORS, now under DHS-Residential Child Care stated that if HLA had one more incident, they would shut them down.
Children's rights - Federal. Stay out of the State, if possible. Check with your attorney if GAO agents can be disposed and you can somehow get access to their records. It is all there. Send a letter, for a track record ,to the Governor's Office, Educational Oversight Department, they too are aware.
Any other Georgia agencies, there is a "red Flag" so to speak, regarding HLA/RC. You will be sent to "special handlers."
DJJ - Contract with Lumpkin County and State.
Georgia has FOIA forms, but as with the ORS, now DHS - RCC, unless specifically stated, they will send you 4 pages of thousands and plead ignorance, until pushed.
Is Georgia's Keith Bostick anything like Utah's Ken Stettler? Namely, all up for passing the buck for the next coupla decades? Hidden Lake Academy, if I'm not mistaken, had plenty more incidents after 2007...
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Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits. Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!
Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board? Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?
Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see. I dont even know who Ottawa5 is. I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think. Why does he continue to make this stuff up? What is the point? No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.
Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.
Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.
Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
We all agreed, at the time, that this was justified because of the double standard that Ursus set-up.
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Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits. Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!
Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board? Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?
Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see. I dont even know who Ottawa5 is. I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think. Why does he continue to make this stuff up? What is the point? No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.
Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.
Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.
Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
We all agreed, at the time, that this was justified because of the double standard that Ursus set-up.
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For an explanation of Whooter's behavior, please see here. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975)
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Yes, 'stonewall' for as long as possible. I received 6 pages , if I recall( see former posts), then my private counsel stepped in and miraculously, over 2,000. documents within a week, after over a year. The same transpired with ISAC when they requested docs on HLA from the ORS.
SORRY, AN ASIDE - FEDERAL CONTACT FOR PARENTS/CHILDREN SEEKING FEDERAL INTERVENTION AGAINST STATE AGENCIES IN GEORGIA . HOWEVER, SOME BACKGROUND -
US ATTORNEY GEORGIA SALLY QUILLIAN YATES (404) 331-4437 MS. YATES INTERNED AND WORKED FOR KING AND SPALDING DURING HER CAREER. KING AND SPALDING REPRESENTED HLA FOR A TIME, DURING THE CLASS SUIT. BUT, MS. YATES WAS NOT WORKING FOR KING AND SPALDING AT THE TIME.
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Someone challenged your education history and you got pissed off and started editing and updating your history.
After you edited your posts you wrote this: which is your education history:
DJ, On June 30, 2010 you posted this:
June 30 post on DJ's education (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=368264#p368264)
A few hours before you posted the above you went and cleaned up your history going back 5 years. Here is an example. Notice the edit stamp at the bottom says:
June 30, 2010
DJ cleaned up all his history going back 5 years (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=11098&p=121144&hilit=msw#p121144)
Another one! Oh No! DJ was busy cleaning. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=91225#p91225)
Why would you go back 5 years and start editing all your education history just before you posted an update if you have been honest all along?
Just asking. Why do you accuse others of lying when you deceive the posters here on fornits for 5 years about yourself and education history.
Do you want to tell everyone why you left the industry? Were you truthful about that too? Did you have a change of heart or were you forced out because of background checks? Do you want to take a look at that next?
See anyone can play the same game you do, DJ. You have just spent years fabricating an image under the user name Dysfunction junction.
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In 2007, Keith Bostick, then of Georiga's ORS, now under DHS-Residential Child Care stated that if HLA had one more incident, they would shut them down.
Is Georgia's Keith Bostick anything like Utah's Ken Stettler? Namely, all up for passing the buck for the next coupla decades? Hidden Lake Academy, if I'm not mistaken, had plenty more incidents after 2007...
Yes, 'stonewall' for as long as possible. I received 6 pages , if I recall( see former posts), then my private counsel stepped in and miraculously, over 2,000. documents within a week, after over a year. The same transpired with ISAC when they requested docs on HLA from the ORS.
US ATTORNEY GEORGIA SALLY QUILLIAN YATES (404) 331-4437 MS. YATES INTERNED AND WORKED FOR KING AND SPALDING DURING HER CAREER. KING AND SPALDING REPRESENTED HLA FOR A TIME, DURING THE CLASS SUIT. BUT, MS. YATES WAS NOT WORKING FOR KING AND SPALDING AT THE TIME.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused... Was Sally Yates part of the stonewalling? Or are you suggesting that she would be a good resource for parents to contact? Or, none of the above?
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Sorry for confusion. Edited, see above post.
Another aside - this thread is important. Is there any way to take your personal arguments to PM?
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I would hope so, Jill, but we do have a determined industry troll here who has a vested interest in derailing this thread. He has ties to HLA/RCS and will do and say anything to keep the public in the dark about these abusive, dangerous hell-holes.
If he were interested in open dialogue and against abusive programs as he "claims," he would not be derailing this thread.
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I would hope so, Jill, but we do have a determined industry troll here who has a vested interest in derailing this thread. He has ties to HLA/RCS and will do and say anything to keep the public in the dark about these abusive, dangerous hell-holes.
If he were interested in open dialogue and against abusive programs as he "claims," he would not be derailing this thread.
You started the attacks, DJ, if you want a civil discussion then dont take shots at people because of their views. Just be honest and open and express your opinions without slamming those who disagree with you. If you have a problem with me then take it to one of the other threads.
It would be appreciated.
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That discussion was already moved here. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=0)
Please keep this thread on topic. Lives are literally at stake at RCS where there have been several horrific acts of violence committed on children in its care, as documented by ORS.
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That discussion was already moved here. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=0)
Please keep this thread on topic. Lives are literally at stake at RCS where there have been several horrific acts of violence committed on children in its care, as documented by ORS.
Like I said, DJ, in the future dont attack other posters who disagree with you and things like this will not happen. Have some respect for other posters. Your attacks wastes space and doesn't accomplish anything other than derail the topic.
The topic is :Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violations.
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That discussion was already moved here. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=0)
Please keep this thread on topic. Lives are literally at stake at RCS where there have been several horrific acts of violence committed on children in its care, as documented by ORS.
Like I said, DJ, in the future dont attack other posters who disagree with you and things like this will not happen. Have some respect for other posters. Your attacks wastes space and doesn't accomplish anything other than derail the topic.
The topic is :Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violations.
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Did you have a son or a daughter in an Aspen program?
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Sorry for confusion. Edited, see above post.
Another aside - this thread is important. Is there any way to take your personal arguments to PM?
Repost of edited portion, given its importance:
"SORRY, AN ASIDE - FEDERAL CONTACT FOR PARENTS/CHILDREN SEEKING FEDERAL INTERVENTION AGAINST STATE AGENCIES IN GEORGIA . HOWEVER, SOME BACKGROUND -
US ATTORNEY GEORGIA SALLY QUILLIAN YATES (404) 331-4437 MS. YATES INTERNED AND WORKED FOR KING AND SPALDING DURING HER CAREER. KING AND SPALDING REPRESENTED HLA FOR A TIME, DURING THE CLASS SUIT. BUT, MS. YATES WAS NOT WORKING FOR KING AND SPALDING AT THE TIME."[/list]
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Also, families that need background info can find the class action lawsuit online, Ryan et al vs. Hidden Lake Academy, Inc. and review Congressional Record "THE MILLER BILLre: Hidden Lake Academy.
From there, read the ORS, now under DHS - Residential Child Care reports on HLA - Ridge Creek, etc. They do not post all, but, one will get the gist of what they need. Go to ORS GEORGIA. If they pull them, contact me.
One can determine whether the class suit was proved to have "had no valid basis," as stated in the: "[Ridge Creek School letter to Prospective Parents, Woodbury Reports Inc.May 03, 2010]"
Also, even though I opted out of the suit retaining my rights,(against settlement) approximately 240 families, that opted to stay in the suit, recieved nominal checks from the lawsuit. "Very few parents joined the petition" according to: "[Ridge Creek School letter to Prospective Parents, Woodbury Reports, Inc. May 03, 2010]."
Lon Woodbury will not allow factual rebuttal on his site.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
Hello, scroft. Thank you for posting your experience at RCS. It is indeed dangerous and violent. Len Buccellato has run other facilites the same way - uneducated staff, phony degrees, no treatment plans, violent kids, sexual predators, etc, etc, etc. This is no surprise to anyone here. We've all seen it before when RCS was called "Hidden Lake Academy" and amassed over 1600 pages of ORS violations, but due to cozy relationships between "regulators" and Buccellato, HLA never faced any consequences for their mammoth violations. It appears RCS is now getting the same free pass from ORS.
Of course, all of us who know about RCS know it is not populated with "inner city kids," but rather "upper and middle class suburban kids." There are several "pro-program" trolls here who will do and say quite literally anything to spin abusive shitholes like RCS as "gentle" and "effective" and to paint all of you parents who were snookered and had their kids hurt, maimed, raped or killed as "disgruntled by the expense of the program." Keep that in mind when you see posters like "DannyB II" and "Whooter" posting.
If I were you I'd call Phil Elberg immediately and get the ball rolling with an attorney who knows how these places operate and has won several big cases against programs like RCS. He's an attorney out of NJ, which is kinda far for you, but he's by far the best.
In the meantime, please post your experiences here in detail to warn others and attract co-litigants. People here will be happy to help with your research and uncover similar cases.
Again, thanks for posting your experience and I look forward to hearing more about it.
Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
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Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
Did you fabricate the story about your son or the one about a daughter? Or did you do the unthinkable and send TWO kids off to re-education? And, while we're into truths here, have you ever posted under the name Nigel here?
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Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good. Whooter I question the validity of the poster. Something tells me it is not a actual parent but a fabrication by DJ, to support a point he wants to make. Which of course he has no clarification. DJ does not know who is in that program, so he went and made up some bull to contradict what we were saying a couple of days ago. What better way then to make up a parent, if he tried to cite something we would know he is full of it right off, no way he could know the population and their economic/social standings.
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Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
Did you fabricate the story about your son or the one about a daughter? Or did you do the unthinkable and send TWO kids off to re-education? And, while we're into truths here, have you ever posted under the name Nigel here?
Anne,
You are derailing the thread that Jill Ryan started and politely asked if we could stay on topic. Please respect this or kindly take your posts else where.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good.
Suck harder DannyBoi....HARDER!!
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Whooter I question the validity of the poster. Something tells me it is not a actual parent but a fabrication by DJ, to support a point he wants to make.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Oh the irony.
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Yes, Anne, it is certainly ironic indeed. Danny and Whooter, both well known to have multiple aliases here, admitted by both, nonetheless, use this trolling tactic regularly. I have only one login name and always use it. You see, Anne, these two are so abjectly stupid that the only things they can come up with to try to discredit others is their own behaviors projected onto their target.
Now, as far as kids being court-ordered, this quite obvioulsy has nothing to do with socioeconomic status. Whether or not these kids are mandated into "treatment" or not, the parents still have to pay the $4800/mo at RCS. I don't think too many "inner city kids" families would be able to support this $60K/year expense. Whooter and Danny are here simply to disrupt this thread by trolling me.
Sorry that they do this, but I can't do anything about it. It's just who they are as people - losers with nothing important to add.
More on that topic here. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975)
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Yes, Anne, it is certainly ironic indeed. Danny and Whooter, both well known to have multiple aliases here, admitted by both, nonetheless, use this trolling tactic regularly. I have only one login name and always use it. You see, Anne, these two are so abjectly stupid that the only things they can come up with to try to discredit others is their own behaviors projected onto their target.
Now, as far as kids being court-ordered, this quite obvioulsy has nothing to do with socioeconomic status. Whether or not these kids are mandated into "treatment" or not, the parents still have to pay the $4800/mo at RCS. I don't think too many "inner city kids" families would be able to support this $60K/year expense. Whooter and Danny are here simply to disrupt this thread by trolling me.
Sorry that they do this, but I can't do anything about it. It's just who they are as people - losers with nothing important to add.
More on that topic here. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975)
DJ, why do continuously try to mislead the readers here? If a child is court ordered into treatment because of gang violence the state isnt going to force the parents to pay $7,000 month. Most parents of kids hauled into court due to gang violence dont have the means. you keep lying to the readers.
You tried to discredit DannyB II when he was telling the truth.
Lets take a look at your own words:
When I worked there, they certainly did accept court-ordered kids. Some of those kids were severly disturbed and violent.
Recent attendees have stated that there are, in fact, many court ordered kids there right now. Some allegedly are multiple violent felons, some ivolved with very serious gang violence.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=166946#p166946)
I dont think you can fool the average reader here into thinking middle and upper middle class families struggle with gang violence. Also when court ordered they dont force parents into bankruptcy by making them pay $7,000 a month. Many inner city kids being court ordered into treatment dont have families who can afford $7,000 a month. You just make all this stuff up as you go. Why do you do this? Why not be honest with the readers here and why try to discredit everyone that disagrees with you?
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But, God, you are stupid.
First, I said never even metioned "gang violence" at RCS. The post you quoted was from years ago and related to HLA. I worked there 15 years ago, remember? Second, I never even mentioned "$7000/mo." Third, if a kid is court ordered into a program, they can go to the state facility courtesy of the taxpayers or, if the parents have means, they can opt for a private facility for which they must foot the bill.
Obviously, you know nothing about this subject, but hey, why let that stop you from uttering your nonsense?
Being a trust fund baby with a loooong criminal history yourself, I find it very, very amusing that you say upper class kids don't often get court mandated. You did. Several times. You are silver spooner that has been locked up a half dozen times that you admitted to, but probably a lot more than that. So there goes your "theory."
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But, God, you are stupid.
First, I said never even metioned "gang violence" at RCS. The post you quoted was from years ago and related to HLA. I worked there 15 years ago, remember? Second, I never even mentioned "$7000/mo." Third, if a kid is court ordered into a program, they can go to the state facility courtesy of the taxpayers or, if the parents have means, they can opt for a private facility for which they must foot the bill.
Obviously, you know nothing about this subject, but hey, why let that stop you from uttering your nonsense?
Being a trust fund baby with a loooong criminal history yourself, I find it very, very amusing that you say upper class kids don't often get court mandated. You did. Several times. You are silver spooner that has been locked up a half dozen times that you admitted to, but probably a lot more than that. So there goes your "theory."
No need to call people names, DJ. You were caught in a lie. No pointing fingers.
RCS was HLA, DJ. Nice try. So what you are trying to say is HLA use to take court ordered kids and those with gang violence problems but now that HLA has changed its name to RCS they no longer accept these types of children. All you needed to do was to tell the readers that they have improved and no longer take these types of children.
Thank you for stepping up clarifying the court ordered issue and being honest
Just be honest is all we are asking, DJ. You try to give scroft bad information because you are trying to discredit DannyB II and that isnt fair to the readers.
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scroft actually provided the information. I just quoted scroft. I meant what I said, which was clearly not what you said I said. You're a congenital liar. You can't help it I guess.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
[size]The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.[/size]
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
Yeah, sure sounds like they "evolved" and "improved." Right up to the level where there were before when they amassed over 1600 pages of ORS violations.
I wonder who knows more about the facility population? This parent or Danny and Whooter who have never stepped foot on the property. Yep, they're believable alright. I think I'll go with the primary source ove the two proven liars on the internet. But that's just me.
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Now, as far as kids being court-ordered, this quite obvioulsy has nothing to do with socioeconomic status. Whether or not these kids are mandated into "treatment" or not, the parents still have to pay the $4800/mo at RCS. I don't think too many "inner city kids" families would be able to support this $60K/year expense. Whooter and Danny are here simply to disrupt this thread by trolling me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=374852#p374852)
This is false. The courts do not force families from the inner city to come up with the price of treatment.
When I worked there, they certainly did accept court-ordered kids. Some of those kids were severly disturbed and violent.
Recent attendees have stated that there are, in fact, many court ordered kids there right now. Some allegedly are multiple violent felons, some ivolved with very serious gang violence.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=166946#p166946)
You were not being truthful with the readers here, DJ. In one post you state that inner city kids cant attend because they cant afford it. In another post you state that they accept kids court ordered because of gang violence.
All we are asking is that you be truthful. It doesn’t matter to us if they accept court ordered kids or not. Just don’t try to deceive us that’s all.
If HLA use to accept gang violent kids but now that they changed to RCS and do not then just state that.
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Lols. Whooter is flailing and trolling again. If you don't like what scroft wrote, take it up with scroft.
And, again, you have no idea what you're talking about re: court mandated kids. None. If their parents can afford a private facility and the court is amenable then the parents pay. If not, the kids become wards of the state.
If you knew anything, anything at all about gangs and gang violence you would know that many kids get involved with gangs even those of high SES stature. The two are by no means mutually exclusive. I worked several research projects and have personally seen it. You, OTOH, know nothing of the subject. No surprise there, huh?
And, as other urban ills spill into suburbs, gangs too are on the rise
in places like Westchester and Long Island, where middle-class children,
bored and with time and money on their hands, band together to protect
their turf from outsiders.
"Some schools, especially in the suburbs of central cities and in
small towns, pretend they have no gang problem," writes Knox in "Schools
Under Siege" (Kendall / Hunt Publishing Co., 1991, $44.95). "School
administrators stick their heads in the sand like ostriches and just
hope that the gang problem . . . will disappear . . . Some of the
pressure to ignore [the] gang problem is generated by the community
itself . . . This is especially true in middleand upper-class
communities where the `stigma' of gangs or school crimes is not
something the community wants."
Link to expose Whooter's incredible ignorance on this subject (http://http://www.streetgangs.com/topics/1993/121193child.html)
Teenage gangs can exist almost anywhere. It was largely thought that teenage gangs only existed in impoverished, urban areas, but teenage gangs have been found in upper-class neighborhoods, too. The 311 Boyz, for instance, was made up of kids who lived in affluent Las Vegas neighborhoods, who were arrested numerous times for violent crimes.
Read more: Dangers of Teenage Gangs | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_4598245_dange ... z0xXRpD2oP (http://www.ehow.com/about_4598245_dangers-teenage-gangs.html#ixzz0xXRpD2oP)
Another stunning example of just how stupid Whooter actually is... (http://http://www.ehow.com/about_4598245_dangers-teenage-gangs.html)
And more... I could go on for pages....
In gangs
with more intelligent members, these feelings end up making each member want to
be the star when the groups commit a crime. This makes the gang much more
organised and improves the morale of members which in turn makes them more
dangerous and very hard for the police to deal with and catch. This sort of gang
is usually common of middle or upper class people, although it can happen in
gangs in the projects and other low rent districts too.
Of course I never said "the state forces inner city kids to pay private fees," or anything even remotely resembling that nonsense. You just made that up to manufacture an argument, as usual and to shift the focus from your incredible ignorance, as usual.
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Sometimes it is good to go back to the original posts and take a look:
Now, as far as kids being court-ordered, this quite obvioulsy has nothing to do with socioeconomic status. Whether or not these kids are mandated into "treatment" or not, the parents still have to pay the $4800/mo at RCS. I don't think too many "inner city kids" families would be able to support this $60K/year expense. Whooter and Danny are here simply to disrupt this thread by trolling me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=374852#p374852)
This is false. The courts do not force families from the inner city to come up with the price of treatment.
When I worked there, they certainly did accept court-ordered kids. Some of those kids were severly disturbed and violent.
Recent attendees have stated that there are, in fact, many court ordered kids there right now. Some allegedly are multiple violent felons, some ivolved with very serious gang violence.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=166946#p166946)
You were not being truthful with the readers here, DJ. In one post you state that inner city kids cant attend because they cant afford it. In another post you state that they accept kids court ordered because of gang violence.
All we are asking is that you be truthful. It doesn’t matter to us if they accept court ordered kids or not. Just don’t try to deceive us that’s all.
If HLA use to accept gang violent kids but now that they changed to RCS and do not then just state that.
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Lols. Whooter is flailing and trolling again. If you don't like what scroft wrote, take it up with scroft.
And, again, you have no idea what you're talking about re: court mandated kids. None. If their parents can afford a private facility and the court is amenable then the parents pay. If not, the kids become wards of the state.
If you knew anything, anything at all about gangs and gang violence you would know that many kids get involved with gangs even those of high SES stature. The two are by no means mutually exclusive. I worked several research projects and have personally seen it. You, OTOH, know nothing of the subject. No surprise there, huh?
And, as other urban ills spill into suburbs, gangs too are on the rise
in places like Westchester and Long Island, where middle-class children,
bored and with time and money on their hands, band together to protect
their turf from outsiders.
"Some schools, especially in the suburbs of central cities and in
small towns, pretend they have no gang problem," writes Knox in "Schools
Under Siege" (Kendall / Hunt Publishing Co., 1991, $44.95). "School
administrators stick their heads in the sand like ostriches and just
hope that the gang problem . . . will disappear . . . Some of the
pressure to ignore [the] gang problem is generated by the community
itself . . . This is especially true in middleand upper-class
communities where the `stigma' of gangs or school crimes is not
something the community wants."
Link to expose Whooter's incredible ignorance on this subject (http://http://www.streetgangs.com/topics/1993/121193child.html)
Teenage gangs can exist almost anywhere. It was largely thought that teenage gangs only existed in impoverished, urban areas, but teenage gangs have been found in upper-class neighborhoods, too. The 311 Boyz, for instance, was made up of kids who lived in affluent Las Vegas neighborhoods, who were arrested numerous times for violent crimes.
Read more: Dangers of Teenage Gangs | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_4598245_dange ... z0xXRpD2oP (http://www.ehow.com/about_4598245_dangers-teenage-gangs.html#ixzz0xXRpD2oP)
Another stunning example of just how stupid Whooter actually is... (http://http://www.ehow.com/about_4598245_dangers-teenage-gangs.html)
And more... I could go on for pages....
In gangs
with more intelligent members, these feelings end up making each member want to
be the star when the groups commit a crime. This makes the gang much more
organised and improves the morale of members which in turn makes them more
dangerous and very hard for the police to deal with and catch. This sort of gang
is usually common of middle or upper class people, although it can happen in
gangs in the projects and other low rent districts too.
Of course I never said "the state forces inner city kids to pay private fees," or anything even remotely resembling that nonsense. You just made that up to manufacture an argument, as usual and to shift the focus from your incredible ignorance, as usual.
This is the truth of the matter and Whooter is caught lying again. So what does he do? Lie some more! "Nope, NO MIDDLE OR UPPER CLASS KIDS ARE IN GANGS, DJ! You lie!" What a dope.
Once more, I said that if the kid is mandated into treatment and the kid's parents can afford private treatment and the court is amenable then the kid can go to a place like RCS, but the parents must foot the bill. It's a standard arrangement for adjudicated kids and there are plenty of families of gang-banger kids that can afford it. Whooter is just ignorant and doesn't know this.
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Lets go back to the original posts and take a look... Dysfunction Junctions own words:
Now, as far as kids being court-ordered, this quite obvioulsy has nothing to do with socioeconomic status. Whether or not these kids are mandated into "treatment" or not, the parents still have to pay the $4800/mo at RCS. I don't think too many "inner city kids" families would be able to support this $60K/year expense. Whooter and Danny are here simply to disrupt this thread by trolling me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=374852#p374852)
This is false. The courts do not force families from the inner city to come up with the price of treatment.
When I worked there, they certainly did accept court-ordered kids. Some of those kids were severly disturbed and violent.
Recent attendees have stated that there are, in fact, many court ordered kids there right now. Some allegedly are multiple violent felons, some ivolved with very serious gang violence.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=166946#p166946)
You were not being truthful with the readers here, DJ. In one post you state that inner city kids cant attend because they cant afford it. In another post you state that they accept kids court ordered because of gang violence.
All we are asking is that you be truthful. It doesn’t matter to us if they accept court ordered kids or not. Just don’t try to deceive us that’s all.
If HLA use to accept gang violent kids but now that they changed to RCS and do not then just state that.
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Whooter, you're such a moron, really. You keep basing your argument on the faulty premise you stated that "all gang-bangers are inner city kids." This is abjectly false. Therefore your ridiculous conclusions are also false.
Of course, you know that already, but you won't quit with repetitive spam until this thread is derailed, as is your usual practice.
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Whooter, you're such a moron, really. You keep basing your argument on the faulty premise you stated that "all gang-bangers are inner city kids." This is abjectly false. Therefore your ridiculous conclusions are also false.
Of course, you know that already, but you won't quit with repetitive spam until this thread is derailed, as is your usual practice.
I am just reposting what you said, DJ. You can only get mad at yourself.
If you would try to be honest and contribute more instead of trying to discredit those who disagree with you you would not be left with this mess of a thread. If you look back we were having a fine discussion until you came on here and started attacking everyone.
You cant honestly think everyone is going to sit around and just allow you to bully them and call everyone names are you? You created a thread for your anger, try to keep it over there and be more accepting of others opinions in the rest of the forum and you wont end up with this type of mess.
Its up to you.
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So. let's back up then. I said there were court ordered kids who were gang bangers. That's true. You said it was false, but you have no evidence to support that except your claim that no gang-bangers can afford private treatment, which is untrue. There are many gang-bangers from middle and upper class backgrounds, as I showed you with several links.
You keep saying I lied, but everything I said is true. But you keep reposting the same spam to derail the thread anyway. Why would you do that rather than simply admit you are misinformed about the SES of gang-bangers?
It's you that keeps flailing, Whooter. You lost a simple argument and now you are so upset you ave to derail the whole thread so nobody discovers your untrue remarks. It's what you do, dude.
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So. let's back up then. I said there were court ordered kids who were gang bangers. That's true. You said it was false, but you have no evidence to support that except your claim that no gang-bangers can afford private treatment, which is untrue. There are many gang-bangers from middle and upper class backgrounds, as I showed you with several links.
You keep saying I lied, but everything I said is true. But you keep reposting the same spam to derail the thread anyway. Why would you do that rather than simply admit you are misinformed about the SES of gang-bangers?
It's you that keeps flailing, Whooter. You lost a simple argument and now you are so upset you ave to derail the whole thread so nobody discovers your untrue remarks. It's what you do, dude.
Look you cant fool the readers DJ. Court appointed kids from violent gangs are not upper middle class kids. You can search the web for an article to support that gangs exist in nice neighborhoods, but we all know that upper middle class kids dont get court appointed to HLA/RCS for violent gang related activities. You are caught in a lie and are looking for some report to bail you out, but it will not work.
You lied to us again. You change your story and I caught you again, DJ.
Just try to be cordial and stop attacking people who disagree with you. Try to argue with your words instead of trying to discredit everyone. Otherwise you will just be getting back yourself. Give it some thought.
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Look you cant fool the readers DJ. Court appointed kids from violent gangs are not upper middle class kids. You can search the web for an article to support that gangs exist in nice neighborhoods, but we all know that upper middle class kids dont get court appointed to HLA/RCS for violent gang related activities. You are caught in a lie and are looking for some report to bail you out, but it will not work.
Well, yes, they are. In fact it is fairly common.
As far as "court appointed to HLA/RCS"...First of all, nobody is "court appointed" anywhere for anything. You're too ignorant of the subject even to know the terminology. It's "court mandated," or "court ordered," not "court appointed." This shows you have no experience in this area.
Second, no kids are ever mandated specifically to HLA or RCS - the court has no legal authority to mandate kids outside the state system. They are mandated to attend treatment and the court will often allow parents of means to choose the facility with the understanding that if the kid splits, s/he goes to the state facility. You simply have no experience with this and it shows.
You should try to learn about things before you weigh in. Maybe you should read up first? :nods:
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Well, yes, they are. In fact it is fairly common.
As far as "court appointed to HLA/RCS"...First of all, nobody is "court appointed" anywhere for anything. You're too ignorant of the subject even to know the terminology. It's "court mandated," not "court appointed." This shows you have no experience in this area.
Then you use "Court ordered" lol.
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Second, no kids are ever mandated specifically to HLA or RCS - the court has no leagal authority to mandate kids outside the state system. They are mandated to attend treatment and the court will often allow parents of means to choose the facility with the understanding that if the kid splits, s/he goes to the state facility. You simply have no experience with this and it shows.
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Look, again, DJ we just are asking for you to be honest with us.
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Yes, "court ordered" and "at HLA." That's very normal. Not "court orderd to HLA." Big difference. If they left HLA they would be at the state facility. Again, you just really don't have any experience in this area and it's obvious.
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Yes, "court ordered" and "at HLA." That's very normal. Not "court orderd to HLA." Big difference. If they left HLA they would be at the state facility. Again, you just really don't have any experience in this area and it's obvious.
Ha,Ha,Ha Nice try, DJ. See.. what were those words you used again?
Hmmm.. oh yes" You're too ignorant of the subject even to know the terminology."
Your own words say kids were "Court Ordered" and then you say "the court has no leagal authority to mandate kids outside the state system".
Sorry, DJ.
I will say it again. Try to be honest. Dont try to deceive the readers. If you dont understand what you are talking about dont make things up. You tried to purposely change the facts to suit the present argument.
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You are deft at the art of missing the point.
The court can madate treatment. They can force a kid into the state system. If the court is amenable (and they usually are) the parents can choose a treatment facility and pay for it themselves. The court cannot specifically mandate a particular facility outside its jurisdiction.
However, if the court lets the parents put the kid into RCS, for example, the kid cannot leave without being arrested and sent to a state facility. No court can order a kid to specifically go to RCS, it's an agreement between the court and the child's legal guardian. This is a very typical outcome of court mandated treatment. Everyone who is familiar with the court system knows this.
Everything I said is factual. You just don't understand it and have no experience in this area which is obvious.
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Sometimes it is best to go back and look at the original quotes :
Well, yes, they are. In fact it is fairly common.
As far as "court appointed to HLA/RCS"...First of all, nobody is "court appointed" anywhere for anything. You're too ignorant of the subject even to know the terminology. It's "court mandated," not "court appointed." This shows you have no experience in this area.
Then you use "Court ordered" lol.
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Second, no kids are ever mandated specifically to HLA or RCS - the court has no leagal authority to mandate kids outside the state system. They are mandated to attend treatment and the court will often allow parents of means to choose the facility with the understanding that if the kid splits, s/he goes to the state facility. You simply have no experience with this and it shows.
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Look, again, DJ we just are asking for you to be honest with us.
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It can't be made any simpler for you. Either get smarter or find somewhere else to peddle your nonsense.
You have to continuously alter my quotes to even try to make an argument and it's still to weak to work.
It's "court mandated," or "court ordered," not "court appointed."
Geez, do you have to hack up every quote to suit your twisted agenda? You're the idiot who said "court appointed" remember? You really just have no clue. Same as you don't understand CFR. Same as you don't understand what a psychologist is or how many they are. Same as you don't know...well...anything.
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So I guess what we can conclude is that there were many kids court ordered to HLA
"unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are"
But according to the latest information from Ridge Creek School there are very few inner-city children.
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So I guess what we can conclude is that there were many kids court ordered to HLA
"unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are"
But according to the latest information from Ridge Creek School there are very few inner-city children.
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So now you've reversed yourself 180 degrees. Yesterday they were "inner city kids." Now, after you look like an ass all day, they are "not inner city kids." Glad you finally came around to my point of view and now agree with everything I said.
Except no kids were court ordered TO HLA. They were court ordered into treatment and their parents chose HLA instead of a state facility.
But, out of curiosity, how did RCS convey this population data to you? You are saying have a demographic pop sheet for RCS? Or are you just making up "data" as you usually do?
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So now you've reversed yourself 180 degrees. Yesterday they were "inner city kids." Now, after you look like an ass all day, they are "not inner city kids." Glad you finally came around to my point of view and now agree with everything I said.
sorry you are so pissed off, DJ, but you cant just make things up all day. If you want to make a big deal that one day I say "inner city kids" and the next I say "inter city children" it just shows that you have nothing to debate.
You were caught in a lie. All I am asking is to be honest with people and stop attacking everyone who disagrees with you. Try using dialog instead of insults.
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If you want to make a big deal that one day I say "inner city kids" and the next I say "inter city children" it just shows that you have nothing to debate.
No, yesterday you were saying these were inner city kids at RCS. Now you're saying they're not. You changed your position 180 degrees. You flip-flopped. You always do this when you can't sustain your argument. You reverse yourself and call the other person "upset" or "angry." Samara called you on it earlier today as well. It's what you do.
But, out of curiosity, how did RCS convey this population data to you? You are saying have a demographic pop sheet for RCS? Or are you just making up "data" as you usually do?
Where did you get the information on RCS's population, Whooter? Who from RCS told you that they have "very few inner city kids"? Did you make this up again?
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But, out of curiosity, how did RCS convey this population data to you? You are saying have a demographic pop sheet for RCS? Or are you just making up "data" as you usually do?
Where did you get the information on RCS's population, Whooter? Who from RCS told you that they have "very few inner city kids"? Did you make this up again?
Show me the link where you claim I called you a child rapist. You continue to lie on this thread DJ. You call people names yet you seek out sympathy from others by making up lies.
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That's what I thought. You made it up. Thanks for verifying.
Here's where you continuously spam with the comment "DJ is a child rapist." You posted it about five times in this thread. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=15#p374657) You keep spam-posting it over and over. Why would you deny it when it's right there, in your own posts?
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That's what I thought. You made it up. Thanks for verifying.
Here's where you continuously spam with the comment "DJ is a child rapist." You posted it about five times in this thread. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=15#p374657) You keep spam-posting it over and over. Why would you deny it when it's right there, in your own posts?
No DJ, show me the original where I stated that you were a rapist.
The information I quoted came from here:
Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=374467#p374467)
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Ohhh...you mean the parent who you were discrediting yesterday as my "sockpuppet" is now your "source." Again, nobody from RCS told you that. You made it up.
DJ is a child rapist.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=15#p374657)
And because I call you out on your phoniness, you spam-post that I'm a "child rapist." Real nice, Whooter. You are an immoral person to say the least.
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Sorry, Whooter, I made it up, there is no original. Everyone knows I would have posted the link if it existed. But you are a pain in my ass and I had to say something.
lol... We knew all along. You need to stop making things up like that just because people catch you in a lie. Just try to be honest with people and dont worry if other posters dont agree with you. You dont need to take it so personally to the point where you attack others and make things up. It really makes you look bad.
Anyway, DJ, Just wanted the readers to be aware.
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Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good. Whooter .
Thanks, DannyB II, Someone has to call DJ on his lies. He is out of control this week. Look what he did to this thread just to cover his tracks. Its a mess, it will be difficult to make any sense of it now.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
[size]The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.[/size]
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
Yeah, sure sounds like they "evolved" and "improved." Right up to the level where there were before when they amassed over 1600 pages of ORS violations.
I wonder who knows more about the facility population? This parent or Danny and Whooter who have never stepped foot on the property. Yep, they're believable alright. I think I'll go with the primary source ove the two proven liars on the internet. But that's just me.
Back on topic, please.
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Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good. Whooter .
Thanks, DannyB II, Someone has to call DJ on his lies. He is out of control this week. Look what he did to this thread just to cover his tracks. Its a mess, it will be difficult to make any sense of it now.
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So even when I won't respond to you, you still want to derail the thread? I'm not responding, so why do you continue to derail? I have nothing more to say to you. Let the thread live.
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Okay back on topic of Court ordered kids at HLA
Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good. Whooter .
Thanks, DannyB II, Someone has to call DJ on his lies. He is out of control this week. Look what he did to this thread just to cover his tracks. Its a mess, it will be difficult to make any sense of it now.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
[size]The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.[/size]
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
Yeah, sure sounds like they "evolved" and "improved." Right up to the level where there were before when they amassed over 1600 pages of ORS violations.
I wonder who knows more about the facility population? This parent or Danny and Whooter who have never stepped foot on the property. Yep, they're believable alright. I think I'll go with the primary source ove the two proven liars on the internet. But that's just me.
Back on topic, please.
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Okay back on topic of Court ordered kids at HLA
Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good. Whooter .
Thanks, DannyB II, Someone has to call DJ on his lies. He is out of control this week. Look what he did to this thread just to cover his tracks. Its a mess, it will be difficult to make any sense of it now.
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I am sorry, I will gladly start a new one for you and copy the posts over. Maybe you could PM Dysfunction Junction and ask him to refrain from personal attacks on other posters. He wont listen to me. I put up with his crap for 5 years and now he is getting a taste of his own medicine.
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Yes, I tried to stay on topic and argue on the merits, but Whooter is intent on this thread getting killed. I haven't responded to him at all and he keeps burying it anyway. Sorry, Jill. He must have some other vested interest in HLA/RCS because he kills every one of those threads systematically. This has been going on for years.
So even when I won't respond to you, you still want to derail the thread? I'm not responding, so why do you continue to derail? I have nothing more to say to you. Let the thread live.
Maybe the mods can help us out? If not, I'd suggest starting a new thread in the CALO forum where there is a mod who will nuke this flooding. It's sad, but that may be the only choice to get this info out without the trolls derailing the thread.
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Yet another thread gone.
I am sorry, I will gladly start a new one for you and copy the posts over. Maybe you could PM Dysfunction Junction and ask him to refrain from personal attacks on other posters. He wont listen to me. I put up with his crap for 5 years and now he is getting a taste of his own medicine.
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I started a new thread, Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=375050#p375050),hopefully there will be no more personal attacks.
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It's interesting that although Len Buccellato is just now "officially" announcing "Ridge Creek School" (RCS is HLA for those of you who don't already know they just changed their name), RCS already has a sordid history of ORS violations including extreme violence, unreported incidents, police involvement, arrests, assaults, failure to follow treatment plans and a generalized underpinning of poor/unqualified staffing.
RCS has been hit with many serious ORS violations already and it sure looks like there will be plenty more to come. Parents, beware Ed Cons promoting RCS and don't fall for RCS marketing spin. They are already in serious trouble with watchdogs and they are reportedly colocated on a property where RCS principals also operate a privately run Georgia DOC juvenile lockup facility where convicted criminals are sent to do their time on a contract basis.
This is a recipe for disaster for children who need legitimate help.
Back on topic, please.
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Okay back on topic of Court ordered kids at HLA
Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good. Whooter .
Thanks, DannyB II, Someone has to call DJ on his lies. He is out of control this week. Look what he did to this thread just to cover his tracks. Its a mess, it will be difficult to make any sense of it now.
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Jill, try appealing to the mods to get the spam cleaned up. It appears he's determined to troll me regardless of whether or not I respond. I try to get back on topic, but he just trolls away anyway after he told you he would not. It doesn't matter to me, but he did promise you he'd stop. Maybe he can keep his word for once and do what he said he would.
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I am sorry, I will gladly start a new one for you and copy the posts over. Maybe you could PM Dysfunction Junction and ask him to refrain from personal attacks on other posters. He wont listen to me. I put up with his crap for 5 years and now he is getting a taste of his own medicine.
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I started a new thread, Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=375050#p375050),hopefully there will be no more personal attacks.
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It's interesting that although Len Buccellato is just now "officially" announcing "Ridge Creek School" (RCS is HLA for those of you who don't already know they just changed their name), RCS already has a sordid history of ORS violations including extreme violence, unreported incidents, police involvement, arrests, assaults, failure to follow treatment plans and a generalized underpinning of poor/unqualified staffing.
RCS has been hit with many serious ORS violations already and it sure looks like there will be plenty more to come. Parents, beware Ed Cons promoting RCS and don't fall for RCS marketing spin. They are already in serious trouble with watchdogs and they are reportedly colocated on a property where RCS principals also operate a privately run Georgia DOC juvenile lockup facility where convicted criminals are sent to do their time on a contract basis.
This is a recipe for disaster for children who need legitimate help.
The "new thread" has many posts missing. I'm sure we'll be fine if we keep this one going.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
Hello, scroft. Thank you for posting your experience at RCS. It is indeed dangerous and violent. Len Buccellato has run other facilites the same way - uneducated staff, phony degrees, no treatment plans, violent kids, sexual predators, etc, etc, etc. This is no surprise to anyone here. We've all seen it before when RCS was called "Hidden Lake Academy" and amassed over 1600 pages of ORS violations, but due to cozy relationships between "regulators" and Buccellato, HLA never faced any consequences for their mammoth violations. It appears RCS is now getting the same free pass from ORS.
Of course, all of us who know about RCS know it is not populated with "inner city kids," but rather "upper and middle class suburban kids." There are several "pro-program" trolls here who will do and say quite literally anything to spin abusive shitholes like RCS as "gentle" and "effective" and to paint all of you parents who were snookered and had their kids hurt, maimed, raped or killed as "disgruntled by the expense of the program." Keep that in mind when you see posters like "DannyB II" and "Whooter" posting.
If I were you I'd call Phil Elberg immediately and get the ball rolling with an attorney who knows how these places operate and has won several big cases against programs like RCS. He's an attorney out of NJ, which is kinda far for you, but he's by far the best.
In the meantime, please post your experiences here in detail to warn others and attract co-litigants. People here will be happy to help with your research and uncover similar cases.
Again, thanks for posting your experience and I look forward to hearing more about it.
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If you continue to paste posts or post new posts which attack other posters then we will go back to this, DJ. Stop your derailment. If you want to start another thread with the personal attacks I am fine with it. If you want to continue here with your personal attacks then we can continue this way also... its up to you.
Well I think he would but one problem that upper middle class to higher class poster could not be more of a phony then you. Yep, just keep lying DJ, just shows how desperate you are.
DJ makes it up as he goes, Danny:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=97157#p97157)
Walking away from the facility is NOT considered "running away" (unless kid is court ordered, which many HLA kids are).
Court ordered kids are not typically upper or upper middle class. We have shown that DJ fabricated his education to try to get people to respect him here and now he is lying to new people who come here for honest information. Not sure why he does this.
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Thank you very much, Whooter, damn it you are good. Whooter .
Thanks, DannyB II, Someone has to call DJ on his lies. He is out of control this week. Look what he did to this thread just to cover his tracks. Its a mess, it will be difficult to make any sense of it now.
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There's not much more I can do here, Jill. He's determined that you will not be heard. And the mods here will let him silence you. They really don't care whether or not you have your right to be heard. That's why this site is in bad shape. The mods don't enforce policy and allow each and every thread to be derailed by this troll.
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There's not much more I can do here, Jill. He's determined that you will not be heard. And the mods here will let him silence you. They really don't care whether or not you have your right to be heard. That's why this site is in bad shape. The mods don't enforce policy and allow each and every thread to be derailed by this troll.
Just dont attack other posters, DJ. That is what started the derailment in the first place. You are responsible. If your posts contain attacks on other posters then you will derail this thread again. Try to be civil.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
scroft, have you contacted Phil Elberg yet? Please PM me when you get some more information and are formulating a plan. I'll be happy to connect you to some other families in the same position. Good luck.
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Yet another thread gone.
Yes, I tried to stay on topic and argue on the merits, but Whooter is intent on this thread getting killed. I haven't responded to him at all and he keeps burying it anyway. Sorry, Jill. He must have some other vested interest in HLA/RCS because he kills every one of those threads systematically. This has been going on for years.
So even when I won't respond to you, you still want to derail the thread? I'm not responding, so why do you continue to derail? I have nothing more to say to you. Let the thread live.
Maybe the mods can help us out? If not, I'd suggest starting a new thread in the CALO forum where there is a mod who will nuke this flooding. It's sad, but that may be the only choice to get this info out without the trolls derailing the thread.
scroft, Jill, you are "free" to continue posting in this thread now. The disruptive troll has been exterminated from the premises. This thread will be free from derailment from here out.
Thanks again for sharing your experiences and documentation.
Back on topic once again "Ridge Creek School - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violations"
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Parents should remind themselves that HLA is Ridge Creek School.
Take a look at what a former HLA masters-level counselor has to say about the people who run Ridge Creek School:
Well bully for you. I did the same almost 15 years ago.
In my experience, the vast majority of problems were indeed caused by the parents and not the kids. It sounds like that held true for the duration.
Were you a "masters level" counselor? What is your professional judgment on the efficacy of HLA's "treatment" model?
What types of abuse did you witness? Kid-on-kid? Staff-on-kid? Can you tell us a bit about the relative safety of the campus considering the dearth of staff and the genuinely dangerous kids enrolled there?
Thanks!
I was a master's level counselor. HLA is completely ineffective, abusive, and predisposes the kids towards negative attitudes, habits and lifestyles. In Theory, the place seems very attractive and effective. The execution of those theories/practices is completely off kilter. The school is run by socially conservative money-loving zealots who do not have the slightest clue what they are doing despite their good intentions. With the exception of a handful of bad "therapeutic" practices such as disclosures, the theraputic aspect of the program should theoretically be effective. the problem is everything else - power and money hungry staff, excessive and undeserved consequencing, the fall-out system, strip searches, excessive supervision and paranoia regarding safety concerning the "agreements", admissions, everything.
kid-on-kid violence was common, especially at night. we broke up a "fight club" [like the movie] in dorm B the week i arrived. one time a kid was "tea-bagged" (scrotum placed in mouth) at night by his roommates and then had "i love cock" scrawled all over his body while he was sleeping. kids would also get into minor altercations very often, but would get broken up quickly. Staff-on-kid PHYSICAL violence rarely occured, if it did it was while performing a restraint improperly or while breaking up fights. what did occur was a whole lot of power-tripping: staff would single out kids they didnt like and consequence them excessively at the slightest misstep. In many ways the consequences bordered on violence - forcing kids to carry heavy objects all day, yelling and spitting in their face, forcing kids to do exercise in freezing rain, preventing visits to the bathroom, etc.
There you have it. Straight from an employee. Don't say you weren't warned!
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I am a rare adult survivor of HLA - I got out IN FEBRUARY 2005,with a little sanity left. After teaching special education for nearly 20 years, I only survived 6 months at HLA. The kids don't feel they can talk to their counselors - maybe its manipulation - maybe not, so they told me things, but I was not in a position to do much except listen without criticizing them and then report safety concerns.ACTUALLY I REPORTED A SAFETY CONCERN TO A COUNSELOR (D.S.) THE DAY I LEFT. IT WAS ABOUT A GIRL WHO HAD JSUT RETURNED FROM A PSYCH HOSPITAL FOR TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE WHILE SHE WAS ON "clean air" _ where there is supposed to be extra supervision - THE GIRL HAD CUT SEVERAL MORE TIMES (mostly small stuff)DURING THE 24 - 36 HOURS SHE HAD BEEN BACK AT HLA AND TOLD ME SHE DIDN'T FEEL SAFE AND THOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL - I TOLD DOUG S. - ONE OF HER COUNSEWLORS ABOUT IT AND HE SAID "WELL, TELL HER TO CUT AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL SEND HER BACK TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL." They certainly can't tell their parents their real feelings and experiences without being punished for being manipulative by those who are assigned to monitor their mail, email and phone calls. HLA is not the panacea for all teen problems - most of which kids grow out of or learn to use to their advantage in the business world. Some HLA kids need counseling, some need AA, some need psych hospitals; most need love and time to mature - most are there because their parents were MANIPULATED BY ED. CONSULTANTS AND HLA advertisements. Want a GREAT LAUGH? Go to "struggling teens.com/archives/2001/6/visit01.html" this is a site from "Woodbury Reports, Inc." some ed. consultant deal out of Idaho . This site, while only a few years old, certainly did not describe the HLA I just left. The article claimed the campus was attractive - that's about the only info. I can agree with in their entire review. All the "players" names have changed, except Len, who still owns it and seems like a decent guy, only he leaves the "Mice to play" while he does all his other business things and they do whatever they find most convenient (and maybe even sadistically fun). The article says all teachers are certified - try maybe 20%! The site claims all the kids have IEPs - not! Even if they come in with an IEP, HLA does not have to abide by it because they are a private institution. 100% do not attend college! The cafeteria does not over look the lake - maybe they visited on a rainy day! Restrictions kids get less food and water and are supervised by folks with questionable objectives. Most of the counselors are straight out of college with no experience, so they buy into what the administrators feed them about treating kids in a very punitive way and being constantly suspicious, not to mention telling them behavior modification works. It has been proven that behavior modification in humans is temporary at best.PARENTS - DO YOURSELF AND YOUR WALLET A FAVOR - BEFORE PICKING ANY BOARDING SCHOOL, VISIT UNANNOUNCED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AFTER PLACING YOUR KID IN ONE, VISIT UNANNOUNCED. Refuse to be treated like a mushroom- kept in the dark and fed crap! (Parents need to know when their son has been beaten up by a group of homophobic guys. (Some of the kids who came to tell me their problems were gay and felt they were being discriminated against because of this by their counselors and others.) Parents need to know when their daughter has stepped in big puddles of blood first thing in the morning that were left behind by her suicidal roomate. Parents need to know that group therapy has been shown to be more harmful than helpful for "cutters." THIS IS ALL SERIOUS AND FROM THE HEART BECAUSE I TRULY CARE ABOUT THESE KIDS
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Parents should remind themselves that HLA is Ridge Creek School.
Take a look at what a former HLA masters-level counselor has to say about the people who run Ridge Creek School:
I was a master's level counselor. HLA is completely ineffective, abusive, and predisposes the kids towards negative attitudes, habits and lifestyles. In Theory, the place seems very attractive and effective. The execution of those theories/practices is completely off kilter. The school is run by socially conservative money-loving zealots who do not have the slightest clue what they are doing despite their good intentions. With the exception of a handful of bad "therapeutic" practices such as disclosures, the therapeutic aspect of the program should theoretically be effective. The problem is everything else - power and money hungry staff, excessive and undeserved consequences, the fall-out system, strip searches, excessive supervision and paranoia regarding safety concerning the "agreements", admissions, everything.
Kid-on-kid violence was common, especially at night. we broke up a "fight club" [like the movie] in dorm B the week i arrived. one time a kid was "tea-bagged" (scrotum placed in mouth) at night by his roommates and then had "i love cock" scrawled all over his body while he was sleeping. Kids would also get into minor altercations very often, but would get broken up quickly. Staff-on-kid PHYSICAL violence rarely occured, if it did it was while performing a restraint improperly or while breaking up fights. What did occur was a whole lot of power-tripping: staff would single out kids they didnt like and consequence them excessively at the slightest misstep. In many ways the consequences bordered on violence - forcing kids to carry heavy objects all day, yelling and spitting in their face, forcing kids to do exercise in freezing rain, preventing visits to the bathroom, etc.
There you have it. Straight from an employee. Don't say you weren't warned!
Not saying HLA was a great program but this report by a "master-level counselor" is broad in it's content, he doesn't really say anything bad about RCS. Not what I would call a scathing report. Seems some pretty tuff kids are in there playing antics on one another.
Now that "tea bag" episode, man, that is messed up.
I have a power tripping project manager and architect, I'm dealing with right now.
I hate to say this DJ but many parents find this to be exactly what there kids need. I am only commenting on this because I had a parent ask me about this post, she said her son would benefit from a place like this. I told her to be careful when operating out of anger or helplessness.
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Well, the "tea bag" incident is mild compared to other sexual assaults on HLA's campus. They had a kid diagnosed with pedophilia (after sodomizing his little brother at home) at HLA who sodomized several other boys and they also had a female there that raped another female with a tree limb, a horrific and brutal assault well documented by the LCSO.
HLA was and RCS is a very dangerous environment for children.
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Well, the "tea bag" incident is mild compared to other sexual assaults on HLA's campus. They had a kid diagnosed with pedophilia (after sodomizing his little brother at home) at HLA who sodomized several other boys and they also had a female there that raped another female with a tree limb, a horrific and brutal assault well documented by the LCSO.
HLA was and RCS is a very dangerous environment for children.
Well where should they go, DJ. Maybe most of the residents there are disturbed as such.
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Well where should they go, DJ. Maybe most of the residents there are disturbed as such.
The problem, like most programs, is that the disturbed students are put with "normal" students who then become prey. As I understand it, HLA had (has?) a policy that they won't accept such disturbed kids. Yet all this still happened. Apparently they made "exceptions".
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I just dont buy the whole story. I can see a fight club and all but forcing another kid to tea bag? The kid would bite...err fight back. I cant see anyone sticking their testicles into a kids' mouth that wants to bite them off. No one would have the balls to do that (no pun intended).
The story doesn't add up to me.
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Well where should they go, DJ. Maybe most of the residents there are disturbed as such.
The problem, like most programs, is that the disturbed students are put with "normal" students who then become prey. As I understand it, HLA had (has?) a policy that they won't accept such disturbed kids. Yet all this still happened. Apparently they made "exceptions".
From TC's posts and the post from the ex-staff member I am beginning to believe that RCS is taking in residents that are this disturbed. Not that this is OK or I would like to see this, right now I am trying to understand as I have been since RCS opened who in the heck do they have in there as students. Where are they coming from because it seems the vast majority are somewhat prone to violence.
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I just dont buy the whole story. I can see a fight club and all but forcing another kid to tea bag? The kid would bite...err fight back. I cant see anyone sticking their testicles into a kids' mouth that wants to bite them off. No one would have the balls to do that (no pun intended).
The story doesn't add up to me.
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well "one" and????? er.....where is the other "one", is not adding up. :roflmao:
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I just dont buy the whole story. I can see a fight club and all but forcing another kid to tea bag? The kid would bite...err fight back. I cant see anyone sticking their testicles into a kids' mouth that wants to bite them off. No one would have the balls to do that (no pun intended).
The story doesn't add up to me.
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well "one" and????? er.....where is the other "one", is not adding up. :roflmao:
Way over my head. I missed that one.
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I just dont buy the whole story. I can see a fight club and all but forcing another kid to tea bag? The kid would bite...err fight back. I cant see anyone sticking their testicles into a kids' mouth that wants to bite them off. No one would have the balls to do that (no pun intended).
The story doesn't add up to me.
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well "one" and????? er.....where is the other "one", is not adding up. :roflmao:
Way over my head. I missed that one.
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I joke on the balls not adding up, my attempt to be funny.
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I just dont buy the whole story. I can see a fight club and all but forcing another kid to tea bag? The kid would bite...err fight back. I cant see anyone sticking their testicles into a kids' mouth that wants to bite them off. No one would have the balls to do that (no pun intended).
The story doesn't add up to me.
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Fortunately, nobody cares if it "adds up" to you. When you have no idea about how institutionalized people behave you ought to refrain from opining.
When kids are in fear for their safety or their very lives and are being terrorized and sexually assaulted in unsupervised environments they tend to do what their attackers tell them to do, just as other rape victims outside institutional settings do.
In fact, this incident is included in the ORS incident reports on HLA. It is a fact and was undisputed by HLA.
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I just dont buy the whole story. I can see a fight club and all but forcing another kid to tea bag? The kid would bite...err fight back. I cant see anyone sticking their testicles into a kids' mouth that wants to bite them off. No one would have the balls to do that (no pun intended).
The story doesn't add up to me.
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well "one" and????? er.....where is the other "one", is not adding up. :roflmao:
Way over my head. I missed that one.
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I joke on the balls not adding up, my attempt to be funny.
lol, Totally missed it I was tired.
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I just dont buy the whole story. I can see a fight club and all but forcing another kid to tea bag? The kid would bite...err fight back. I cant see anyone sticking their testicles into a kids' mouth that wants to bite them off. No one would have the balls to do that (no pun intended).
The story doesn't add up to me.
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Fortunately, nobody cares if it "adds up" to you. When you have no idea about how institutionalized people behave you ought to refrain from opining.
When kids are in fear for their safety or their very lives and are being terrorized and sexually assaulted in unsupervised environments they tend to do what their attackers tell them to do, just as other rape victims outside institutional settings do.
In fact, this incident is included in the ORS incident reports on HLA. It is a fact and was undisputed by HLA.
Back on topic, please. This is not a joking matter.
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This doesnt strike me as all that different then the account of the kid having the tupperware of microwaved urine thrown on him in his sleep. Again a verified and documented incident. Further proof regarding unsupervised dangerous kids in an unsafe environment.
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This doesnt strike me as all that different then the account of the kid having the tupperware of microwaved urine thrown on him in his sleep. Again a verified and documented incident. Further proof regarding unsupervised dangerous kids in an unsafe environment.
Well I have to disagree with you. The person throwing the urine isn’t taking any personal risk, so there is a big difference. To me it just doesn’t seem credible that a person would dangle their testicles into an angry screaming persons’ mouth who is being abused.
To me pg54counselors post isn’t credible. Others may see it differently and that is fine… I just don’t buy it.
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Is it the story itself you don't find credible, or so you simply not like the fact that it shines light on how dangerous and irrespondsible this place truly was? Teabagging is by no means exclusive to HLA, or even this industry. Look at the original post again though. You're basing your doubt on that the kid would have bitten the offending teens balls off. The post clearly states that the kid who was tea bagged and drawn on, was asleep. Even if that wasn't the case, you're ignoring that ORS verified this story you're calling into question. So again, why?
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RB, this incident was reported by the child, verified by the counselor and well documented in the ORS reports. The important thing is that this kid, a sexual assault victim, was believed by the authorities that count.
You're not going to convince a guy who makes money by painting kids as "liars" and "manipulators" and it doesn't matter. Whooter has a vested interest in denying reports of program abuse. He will never admit these events happen because it would show he's a charlatan, which is already well proven anyway.
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Here is the bases for my hesitancy to believe this story:
1) The Tea bag story came from an anonymous poster (not an ORS Report). It may have been in a ORS report but there is no link to it in this thread that I have seen..
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=340564#p340564)
2) If the kid was asleep how could he verify that tea bagging was done to him?
I guess what I am saying is that I would have to see the ORS report on this issue for it to gain any credibility. Some of the details dont add up.
I have seen some of the ORS reports and realize that the kids abused each other and got into many fights. But I don’t believe this particular incident.
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Here is the bases for my hesitancy to believe this story:
1) The Tea bag story came from an anonymous poster (not an ORS Report). It may have been in a ORS report but there is no link to it in this thread that I have seen..
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=340564#p340564)
2) If the kid was asleep how could he verify that tea bagging was done to him?
Whooter, the post says:
"one time a kid was "tea-bagged" (scrotum placed in mouth) at night by his roommates and then had "i love cock" scrawled all over his body while he was sleeping"
The post doesn't state that he was sleeping when he was tea-bagged. I read it as two separate incidents.
I guess what I am saying is that I would have to see the ORS report on this issue for it to gain any credibility. Some of the details dont add up.
I have seen some of the ORS reports and realize that the kids abused each other and got into many fights. But I don’t believe this particular incident.
Because you find it to believe that anybody could be forced to place another person's genitals in their mouth? I get it. You wouldn't do it. It doesn't mean it hasn't happened. A quick google reveals the person is usually threatened with a weapon or other punishment. Maybe the kid is ashamed of what happened, and didn't want to be publicly known at the program as the "nut cracker". Men very rarely report rapes or sexual assault because of this. A girl at Benchmark once masturbated with a spatula. We used to call her "spatch". Not particularly proud of participating in that, but it happened. That never ended for her. If he was already being bullying, maybe he didn't want something worse to happen. Fear is a funny thing.
Really, Whooter. I don't think i've ever heard you acknowledge an instance of abuse... ever. If you want to play devil's advocate you'd be better off arguing that those "hazing incidents" happen in british boarding schools and colleges as well.
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Another issue is the misconception of how one can be forced to perform oral sex. While I was fortunate to have an incredible support system, they sometimes seemed to require an explanation as to how this could occur, which just exacerbated my shame. Although others may not be able to understand, it is of course possible to be forced to perform oral sex.
There are, quite literally, thousands upon thousands of people to whom this has happened. There are many support groups (http://http://pandys.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=88537) on the internet where their horrifying accounts can be read.
Unfortunately, this has happened to many women, men and children. For someone to say that this could not have happened is stunning ignorance to say the least. It shows a lack of understanding about sexual assault and is callous and degrading to the victims of sexual assault.
One of the most challenging aspects of my rape was being forced to perform oral sex on my rapist. Unlike vaginal rape, it can be difficult coming to terms with feeling like an active participant in the abuse. While we know we didn’t want it, we still see ourselves doing it, even though it wasn’t a consensual act. This participation brings on a level of shame that can often feel unbearable.
The challenge in healing stems from a variety of issues. First, there is general embarrassment that comes from discussing oral sex. It is often the topic of many jokes, but it is not typically a conversation for “polite” company. This made discussing it very difficult and compounded the shame I felt.
Oral rape is quite real, damaging and painful. To say that this could not have happened to a child in an institutional setting is beyond comprehension for most thinking people. It obviously happened to this poor child. It happens in our prison systems every day.
Saying the child "would have bitten the attacker if this really happened" is just another way of blaming the sexual assault victim, a phenomenon far too commonly employed by the most staggeringly ignorant among us. The person who wrote that should educate themselves about sexual assaults before blaming the child victim for his own rape. The lack of compassion in that statement is absolutely amazing.
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Here is the bases for my hesitancy to believe this story:
1) The Tea bag story came from an anonymous poster (not an ORS Report). It may have been in a ORS report but there is no link to it in this thread that I have seen..
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=340564#p340564)
2) If the kid was asleep how could he verify that tea bagging was done to him?
Whooter, the post says:
"one time a kid was "tea-bagged" (scrotum placed in mouth) at night by his roommates and then had "i love cock" scrawled all over his body while he was sleeping"
The post doesn't state that he was sleeping when he was tea-bagged. I read it as two separate incidents.
I guess what I am saying is that I would have to see the ORS report on this issue for it to gain any credibility. Some of the details dont add up.
I have seen some of the ORS reports and realize that the kids abused each other and got into many fights. But I don’t believe this particular incident.
Because you find it to believe that anybody could be forced to place another person's genitals in their mouth? I get it. You wouldn't do it. It doesn't mean it hasn't happened. A quick google reveals the person is usually threatened with a weapon or other punishment. Maybe the kid is ashamed of what happened, and didn't want to be publicly known at the program as the "nut cracker". Men very rarely report rapes or sexual assault because of this. A girl at Benchmark once masturbated with a spatula. We used to call her "spatch". Not particularly proud of participating in that, but it happened. That never ended for her. If he was already being bullying, maybe he didn't want something worse to happen. Fear is a funny thing.
Your point is well taken, psy.
But, when there are conflicting reports then it just makes a person wonder. I didnt read this in the OR reports, but RobertBruce did and he stated:
The post clearly states that the kid who was tea bagged and drawn on, was asleep. Even if that wasn't the case, you're ignoring that ORS verified this story you're calling into question.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=379424#p379424)
This is not in the ORS reports in the OP as stated. It just doesnt add up. Can someone post a link?
Really, Whooter. I don't think i've ever heard you acknowledge an instance of abuse... ever. If you want to play devil's advocate you'd be better off arguing that those "hazing incidents" happen in british boarding schools and colleges as well.
I just stated that I have read the ORS reports about the abuse inside the programs. I have always maintained that abuse occurs in programs as it does everywhere else. I just dont believe that all programs are abusive.
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Again, really, why would someone who makes money off abusive programs admit to abuse? First he says he hasn't seen the ORS reports then he says this incident isn't in them. It's just deflection to keep the focus off the confirmed abuse at a facility he sent his kid to. Plain and simple.
Luckily the kid reported the sex assualt to his counselor and it was investigated and confirmed by ORS. Everyone believes the kid except for the guy who makes money off programs.
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I just stated that I have read the ORS reports about the abuse inside the programs. I have always maintained that abuse occurs in programs as it does everywhere else. I just dont believe that all programs are abusive.
Fair enough. What programs do you believe are currently abusive? Easier yet, what specific postings claiming abuse made on here by people who were placed in programs, say within the last 15 years, do you believe? And why?
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Again, really, why would someone who makes money off abusive programs admit to abuse? First he says he hasn't seen the ORS reports then he says this incident isn't in them. It's just deflection to keep the focus off the confirmed abuse at a facility he sent his kid to. Plain and simple.
Luckily the kid reported the sex assualt to his counselor and it was investigated and confirmed by ORS. Everyone believes the kid except for the guy who makes money off programs.
I have read the ORS reports in the OP (below it), but I didnt see the report on the TeaBagging incident. If it does exist why dont you link to? or quote it out for us to see.
This is why I become a little skeptical about the reports. All we have (at this point) is one anonymous source but it appears people try to slip it in and make it seem like it is in the ORS report to give it credibility. So that is why I question it.
Maybe, as a suggestion, going forward it would be best to stick with incidences which are on the ORS reports instead of anonymous posts, at least for this thread based on the title. It may help to keep it on track.
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Those reports are from 2010 from RCS. The incident happened at HLA several years ago. Obviously, it wouldn't be in the RCS report from 2010, but, of course, you know that and are just trying to blame this kid for his own sexual assault fto advance your own agenda of discrediting victims of program abuse. Your program buisiness (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29342&p=379350#p379309) drives you to revolting behavior.
Good thing the kid's counselor and ORS intervened because if left to the devices of all of the "Whooters" out there, this incident would never have seen the light of day and this kid would just be continuously bombed in group for "letting himself get teabagged."
Once more, it really doesn't matter if a guy who sent his own child to HLA and makes money off troubled teens thinks about this confirmed and documented incident of sexual assault on a child at HLA.
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I just stated that I have read the ORS reports about the abuse inside the programs. I have always maintained that abuse occurs in programs as it does everywhere else. I just dont believe that all programs are abusive.
Fair enough. What programs do you believe are currently abusive? Easier yet, what specific postings claiming abuse made on here by people who were placed in programs, say within the last 15 years, do you believe? And why?
@Whooter
You never really answered Robert's questions. What programs do you believe are abusive?
Also, since you mentioned the ORS reports (instead of answering Robert's question about the posts), are you acknowledging that these reported incidents of abuse are indeed factual?
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Those reports are from 2010 from RCS. The incident happened at HLA several years ago. Obviously, it wouldn't be in the RCS report from 2010, but, of course, you know that and are just trying to blame this kid for his own sexual assault fto advance your own agenda of discrediting victims of program abuse. Your program buisiness (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29342&p=379350#p379309) drives you to revolting behavior.
Good thing the kid's counselor and ORS intervened because if left to the devices of all of the "Whooters" out there, this incident would never have seen the light of day and this kid would just be continuously bombed in group for "letting himself get teabagged."
Once more, it really doesn't matter if a guy who sent his own child to HLA and makes money off troubled teens thinks about this confirmed and documented incident of sexual assault on a child at HLA.
So I was right, there is no ORS report to refer to on the Teabagging incident. Why not just come out and say it? The only source we have for this information was an anonymous report posted here on fornits. There is no tie-back to any official reporting system.
IMO, Reports like this are concerning but we should try to keep this discussion to only those items which were captured in the ORS Reports and keep hearsay out of the discussion if this thread is going to maintain any credibility.
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So I was right, there is no ORS report to refer to on the Teabagging incident. Why not just come out and say it? The only source we have for this information was an anonymous report posted here on fornits. There is no tie-back to any official reporting system.
IMO, Reports like this are concerning but we should try to keep this discussion to only those items which were captured in the ORS Reports and keep hearsay out of the discussion if this thread is going to maintain any credibility
You haven't answered either my, or Serbia's question Whooter. In addition to that you yourself have readily accepted the postings of a "anonymous source" provided that poster provided information you wanted to hear. When FunctionJunction claimed that there was never a restriction diet at HLA you celebrated and claimed I had been proven wrong based on the say so of one anonymous source. This was despite the fact that several other pro hla posters came out and not only acknowledged the restrictions diet existed, but was in fact wrong to have ever occured.
Can you now explain your double standard?
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Those reports are from 2010 from RCS. The incident happened at HLA several years ago. Obviously, it wouldn't be in the RCS report from 2010, but, of course, you know that and are just trying to blame this kid for his own sexual assault fto advance your own agenda of discrediting victims of program abuse. Your program buisiness (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29342&p=379350#p379309) drives you to revolting behavior.
Good thing the kid's counselor and ORS intervened because if left to the devices of all of the "Whooters" out there, this incident would never have seen the light of day and this kid would just be continuously bombed in group for "letting himself get teabagged."
Once more, it really doesn't matter if a guy who sent his own child to HLA and makes money off troubled teens thinks about this confirmed and documented incident of sexual assault on a child at HLA.
So I was right, there is no ORS report to refer to on the Teabagging incident. Why not just come out and say it? The only source we have for this information was an anonymous report posted here on fornits. There is no tie-back to any official reporting system.
IMO, Reports like this are concerning but we should try to keep this discussion to only those items which were captured in the ORS Reports and keep hearsay out of the discussion if this thread is going to maintain any credibility.
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No. again, you're wrong. This incident is clearly reported in the ORS reports for HLA from the year 2003. You're just too lazy and cheap to get a copy and read it for yourself. What is in the OP of this thread is excerpts from ORS reports regarding RCS, as was already explained to you.
It was more than two years ago that you were given the contact information to retrieve the ORS reports by Jill Ryan. You never did that, obviously, and now you are here blowing smoke screens and alternately denying this kid's sexual assault and
blaming it on him.
How can you say that this incident is not in a report that you admit you never read? This is a clear case of damage control by someone who has a monetary interest in troubled teen programs. It's transparent.
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Controlling Troll, let me clear it up for you (since you have no evidence).
Here is where you got the tea-bagging. (Notice the Links back to the original posts)
kid-on-kid violence was common, especially at night. we broke up a "fight club" [like the movie] in dorm B the week i arrived. one time a kid was "tea-bagged" (scrotum placed in mouth) at night by his roommates and then had "i love cock" scrawled all over his body while he was sleeping.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=340564#p340564)
You forniticators never fail to entertain me.
dont get your panties in a bunch just yet.
consider this:
- Anyone can post anything on this site. I may or may not be an ex-employee, I may or may not even have anything to do with the school. I may just be a troll who came upon this site on a boring monday afternoon. I may be a psychic, or a mentalist. I may be an investigator myself. I may have assumed the role of pg54counselor to prove a point. i may or may not be the same pg54counselor, pg54counselor may be a bunch of people! or I might be one sadistic bored little 13 year old.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=340637#p340637)
So based on this evidence all I am saying is that we cannot rely on this as fact. I am not saying it did or did not happen. But I think we can all agree that posts like this are not credible enough to hang our hats on and we would be wasting our breaths debating it. If you run across a link to an ORS report toss it up and we can talk about it. Lets not try to fool the readers by saying this came from an ORS report. We had a guy named Dysfunction Junction who use to do that quite a bit and we exposed his game and he is gone now. Lets keep it honest.
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You already said it didn't happen. Now you're backpedaling. That post was copied over here, yes, but why does that mean that there's no ORS record? Quite a leap of faith there, chumly. I could link to a hundred or more posts on here that are part of the ORS record even though the ORS report isn't posted here. Your logic is pretty faulty there, "college grad." Maybe an intro to logic class could help you understand this topic a little better? It's called the "ignorance fallacy" or the "argument from ignorance" and aptly named for its chief user here, you.
Why don't you go ahead and order up the source docs for yourself and read them? If you're too lazy, just say so. Whatever you say doesn't change the fact that this happened, was reported, was documented and that you blame the kid for his own sexual assault.
For the life of me I can't understand why you blame this poor victimized kid for being orally raped by other institutionalized kids at HLA. Except for maybe you feel guilty you sent your son there. Maybe the same thing happened to your kid?
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So based on this evidence all I am saying is that we cannot rely on this as fact. I am not saying it did or did not happen. But I think we can all agree that posts like this are not credible enough to hang our hats on and we would be wasting our breaths debating it.
Whooter you're still ignoring the fact that you yourself are guilty of this whenever the anonymous posting suited your agenda.
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You already said it didn't happen. Now you're backpedaling. That post was copied over here, yes, but why does that mean that there's no ORS record? Quite a leap of faith there, chumly. I could link to a hundred or more posts on here that are part of the ORS record even though the ORS report isn't posted here. Your logic is pretty faulty there, "college grad." Maybe an intro to logic class could help you understand this topic a little better? It's called the "ignorance fallacy" or the "argument from ignorance" and aptly named for its chief user here, you.
Why don't you go ahead and order up the source docs for yourself and read them? If you're too lazy, just say so. Whatever you say doesn't change the fact that this happened, was reported, was documented and that you blame the kid for his own sexual assault.
For the life of me I can't understand why you blame this poor victimized kid for being orally raped by other institutionalized kids at HLA. Except for maybe you feel guilty you sent your son there. Maybe the same thing happened to your kid?
Geeesh, you sound like Dysfunction Junction with all this whining and blaming others for your lack of evidence. All I asked for was the link to the ORS document which this thread is about. You came up short and I provided you the link, you just didnt like it. If you look at the second post on this thread it lists some of the Office of Regulatory Services (ORS) reports. Those are the incidences that should be discussed not some report from an anonymous person who claims he might have made it up out of thin air just to have fun.
So at this point we can say at best the whole tea-bagging incident is iffy and probably isn't credible enough to spend a whole lot of time debating. Once we get the details from the ORS report we can open it back up for debate.
Joel has a valid point that we should stick to the topic here of Office of Regulatory Services (ORS) reports.
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You still aren't answering the question. I know you won't as it's part of your general MO to not answer anything that exposes your double standards, but I thought I'd point it out again for those just joining in.
The ORS reports for HLA are no longer available on the main website because HLA no longer exists. We shut it down much to your chagrin remember?
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The below does not state which entity of Ridge Creek School the statement encompasses.... CCI, OCCP, or DJJ contractual program.
Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
7/12/2010
7/12/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC.
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
T 0000 Initial Comments.
The purpose of this survey is to follow up on the status of this agency/ to conduct the
re-licensure study.
T 9999 Closing Comments.
An e-mail was received on July 12, 2010 from the Director of the facility stating that they don ' t
have any placement activity at this moment and it is unlikely for the facility to have any placement
until next spring. The Director agreed to inform the Surveyor when the facility has placement
activity.
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More Information Return to Facility Location and Information Guide Return to Inspection Screen
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An observation:
My inclination would be that they are presently not accepting any kids from the Justice system (No placement activity from DJJ). As Ridge Creek slowing unfolds they initially had their licenses transferred from HLA to Ridge Creek (I believe early summer of 2009) and the easiest way to establish the school, at the onset, is to accept kids from the private sector only, shake out the bugs and address any outstanding ORS Corrective Actions and get them implemented.
Once this is up and running and they get a feel for what the response is from their out of pocket clients, predict their future months, they can develop a plan to get themselves re-licensed for DJJ and fill the remaining beds utilizing state appointed children. The DLL license is a bit more stringent and they will be looking for RCS to clean up any past problems and have them show they have plugged the holes during the re-licensing process.
It seems that RCS plans to utilize the state kids to keep the school filled to capacity and "back fill" any beds which become available due to out of pocket kids leaving early or slower than normal draw from the private sector.
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YOUR "INCLINATION/OBSERVATION" is very astute, which speaks volumes, if one would not want to advertise their program accepts DJJ children. The only "hole" in the assumption that DJJ placement has ceased : according to the Director of ORCC( ORS) Keith Bostick, the ORS/ORCC does not oversee the licensing and does not sanction placement of DJJ children according to Keith Bostick , Director ORCC. The surveyor would need to come from another division Healthcare Facility Regulation division of the Department of Community Health for DJJ children. Formerly RC Wilderness, an OCCP, under the ORS, was due re-licensing on 08-30-10. NOTE: THE OUTDOOR PROGRAM IS NOW REFERRED TO AS AN "ADVENTURE ENRICHMENT PROGRAM (A one week a month program)." A letter was sent out from RC to settle confusion felt by Ed. Cons. since the programs were so enjoined under RCS. Therefore, it is doubtful the survey above refers to DJJ placement, thus deducing , that the DJJ contractual program is no longer. It would appear that the wilderness program of RC has ceased until Spring, which can be verified by calling Keith Bostick, Director, ORCC Georgia Phone - 404-657-900 Fax - 404-657-9637 [email protected]. Not that it wouldn't be a welcome plus, if the DJJ program ceased.
ORS 11/04/09
"Ridge Creek, Inc. has a Child Caring Institution (CCI) License. There was a change in ownership request received by our office on 7/21/09 and the change of ownership was approved by our office on 8/6/09. This change in ownership was from "Hidden Lake Academy Inc.(HLA)" to "Ridge Creek, Inc." The last license review was conducted on 12/3/2008 and the next review is due before the end of the year.
Ridge Creek, Inc-Mountain Brook Academy is licensed as a CCI. The last license review was conducted on 12/3/2008 and the next review is due before the end of the year.
Ridge Creek, Inc.- has an Outdoor Child Caring Program (OCCP) The last license review of this program was conducted on 8/25/2009 and there were no children in placement at the time of this review. The next review is due before 8/30/2010."
"Our review also shows that there is a program called HLA Incorporated that is licensed by the Healthcare Facility Regulation Division under the Department of Community Health (DCH) and not licensed by ORCC. "
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The following is my opinion and is for discussion only:
I had heard that DJJ Commissioner Albert Murray missed two review dates ( among others) which would have been used to look at policy requirements for Residential Treatment and review the status of residential inspections. When the problems with WestCare Surfaced about a boy who was abused in January of this year and serious violations were found Murray refused to take action against them even though they were in violation of his departments Policies on Community Residential Programs. If he had attempted to hold WestCares’ feet to the fire (or move against them) for that boys abuse it would have been revealed that Murrays office had missed several years of policy reviews and would have further revealed that scheduled inspections would have corrected the surveillance problem WestCare was having. So he stood down and sided with WestCare even though they were clearly in violation and as a minimum should have been placed on probationary status as dictated by their own policies.
Shortly after this surfaced Murray resigned in May 2010 and they Brought in this Garland hunt guy who appears to be very good and is in the process of shaking things up in Georgia’s Department of Juvenal Justice. Right now the DJJ will not even talk to you about a referral or license review unless you have a clean record with the ORS. So RidgeCreek really cannot apply for referrals from them anyway since they have outstanding issues with the ORS.
I am not sure if RidgeCreek has surveillance throughout their school but this will be added along with many changes to the Case Management Policies.
When I looked at the present policy Here (http://http://www.djj.state.ga.us/Policies/DJJPolicies/Chapter20/DJJ20.12CommunityResidentialPrograms.pdf), I don’t think that Ridge Creek meets the requirements right now and the last thing RC wants is this new DJJ administration crawling all over their school taking notes. They are better off waiting a year or 2 until they can get something closer to a rubber stamp.
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Informative, thank you. The court documents in the bankruptcy case stated that there was a hold (?) on adjudicated children. But the expected financial gain when in full swing, would be approximately $75,000.( If I remember correctly). If and a big "IF," Ridge Creek School cleans up it's act enough to be "granted" DJJ in-take (children) .... A horrid thought and hopefully, a remote possiblity. HLA/Ridge Creek could not clean up their act with their non adjudicated students in previous years. Their attorneys couldn't even admit to accepting juvenile students in previous years, among other things. A facade perhaps could be created; it appears that is all they know how to create. RCS, would need to inform families of other students that DJJ offenders would be on campus, which as HLA and now RCS, they have not done so in the past. It is a huge "clean-up" job. According to the DJJ Official, the ORCC/ORS sanctioned DJJ placement(phone conversation); the official stated that she was even scheduled to take a tour with the ORS/ORCC of Ridge Creek facilities last year. The DJJ Official also stated that they were told the facilities were completely separate. Yet ,according to Keith Bostick's letter, the ORCC/ ORS did not sanction, nor promote DJJ placement at Ridge Creek/HLA/Ridge Creek Wilderness/ Mountain Brook, etc. S The cleaning of house is long overdue at the DHS/ORS/ORCC/DHR agencies.
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Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits. Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!
Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board? Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?
Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see. I dont even know who Ottawa5 is. I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think. Why does he continue to make this stuff up? What is the point? No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.
Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.
Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.
Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
Just dropped in and noticed that psy had set up "Rules" for the board. Have they ever been implimented? I see Who is still derailing any useful discussion.
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Point! It is really a shame. There is a marked difference.
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Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits. Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!
Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board? Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?
Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see. I dont even know who Ottawa5 is. I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think. Why does he continue to make this stuff up? What is the point? No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.
Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
Just dropped in and noticed that psy had set up "Rules" for the board. Have they ever been implimented? I see Who is still derailing any useful discussion.
Its funny that you should pick that one, because it was Dysfunction junction who initiate the post and derailed the discussion. (The posts read from the inner one outward). So yes you are right, since the new rules have been implemented the trolling has subsided and its been a much better discussion with the flame wars and personal attacks mostly being contained in the "Free for all" section.
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Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits. Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!
Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board? Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?
Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see. I dont even know who Ottawa5 is. I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think. Why does he continue to make this stuff up? What is the point? No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.
Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.
Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.
Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
Just dropped in and noticed that psy had set up "Rules" for the board. Have they ever been implimented? I see Who is still derailing any useful discussion.
Yes, Whooter is still cutting/pasting together people's posts and in the instance above Ursus called him out on it that he had completely fabricated Ursus' post which was actually directed at Whooter. Whooter changed the wording of the post to try to make it look as if Ursus were addressing DJ instead of Whooter and then Whooter began to spam-post it in several threads, hundreds of times actually.
And, yes, there are new rules now. They came into effect when Whooter stated openly in this thread that he would not allow other posters to post at all without him derailing the thread and he chased off Jill Ryan and the RCS parent with his derailing and flooding. This was reported to Ginger and in a few days the rules were implemented to control Whooter.
It's a shame, but the new rules are in place because Whooter spam-posted over 1,700 times in less than two months. It takes most people a few years to log 1,700 posts.
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The question was, Who derailed the thread? The posts start from the inner one and work their way out. You took the topic in a different direction by attacking me and thereby derailed the discussion. This was your typical behavior here.
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Yes, Whooter is still cutting/pasting together people's posts and in the instance above Ursus called him out on it that he had completely fabricated Ursus' post which was actually directed at Whooter. Whooter changed the wording of the post to try to make it look as if Ursus were addressing DJ instead of Whooter and then Whooter began to spam-post it in several threads, hundreds of times actually.
No......really??? ::) ::) ::)
It's a shame, but the new rules are in place because Whooter spam-posted over 1,700 times in less than two months. It takes most people a few years to log 1,700 posts.
But he's just a simple program parent. ::) ::) ::)
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Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits. Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!
Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board? Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?
Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see. I dont even know who Ottawa5 is. I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think. Why does he continue to make this stuff up? What is the point? No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.
Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.
Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.
Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
Just dropped in and noticed that psy had set up "Rules" for the board. Have they ever been implimented? I see Who is still derailing any useful discussion.
Its funny that you should pick that one, because it was Dysfunction junction who initiate the post and derailed the discussion. (The posts read from the inner one outward). So yes you are right, since the new rules have been implemented the trolling has subsided and its been a much better discussion with the flame wars and personal attacks mostly being contained in the "Free for all" section.
Not really. It has done nothing to stop Whooter from deliberately misquoting people and reworking post order to convey incorrect impressions, e.g., like he misquoted me above. He did it again just a few days ago, when I asked him for a link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31238&start=15#p380351) when he claimed that Anne Bonney "admitted ... here on fornits, many times, that programs are helpful in most cases and that [she] had embellished many of the events that [she] claimed occurred inside the program." Which, btw, is a patently bogus statement, as Anne has never said any such thing.
Wouldn't ya know that Whooter, once again, misquoted me (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31238&start=30#p380408) as asking Anne for a link, with him chiming in that she probably didn't have one. That is a patently dishonest manipulation of other people's posts.
When I called him out (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31238&start=45#p380427) on that one, his response (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31238&start=45#p380431) was that (with original emphasis):
"My point (and a lesson to you):
If you ask people for links you should ask equally or stay out of the argument."[/list]
So... I guess Whooter is now giving lessons in posting etiquette and, if anyone dares to ask him for a link for patently false claims, he will punish them by deliberately misquoting them. Nice one.
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Whoa! I must have really hit a nerve when I exposed your double standard, Ursus. If you were honest I would have never had to expose you like that.
I dont think he ever did come up with the link!! But since the double standard still holds with you that doesnt matter too much.
Ya gotta love this place.
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I dont think he ever did come up with the link!!
Just like you never produced the link I asked for where you not only misquoted me, but pulled it right out of your ass.
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I dont think he ever did come up with the link!!
Just like you never produced the link I asked for where you not only misquoted me, but pulled it right out of your ass.
Just like you pulled this quote out of your ass:
Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380256#p380256)
You claimed you quoted me exactly but you never produced the link.
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Whoa! I must have really hit a nerve when I exposed your double standard, Ursus. If you were honest I would have never had to expose you like that.
I dont think he ever did come up with the link!! But since the double standard still holds with you that doesnt matter too much.
Ya gotta love this place.
LOLOLLLLL. What "double standard" are you planning to "expose" me for, Whooter? I ask people for links all the time, to the point where a lot of folk probably think I'm an anal-retentive pain in the ass. So they either supply the links, or they ignore me, but nobody does what you do, which is to punish me and troll me for having had the audacity to ask. Lol. You're sounding kinda on the defensive on this one, Whooter! :D
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LOLOLLLLL. What "double standard" are you planning to "expose" me for, Whooter? I ask people for links all the time, to the point where a lot of folk probably think I'm an anal-retentive pain in the ass. So they either supply the links, or they ignore me, but nobody does what you do, which is to punish me and troll me for having the audacity to ask. Lol. You're sounding kinda on the defensive on this one, Whooter! :D
He has been for the last few days/weeks. I think it's getting to him.
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I think it's a great idea to put up a TheWho FAQ's page. You could categorize it and provide his stock answer along with the debunking for various topics. Great idea.
Two posts above I referenced "HLA" in the abuse hotline story, but it was actually ASR, where TheWho sent his daughter. Here's what he has to say about the potential of a counselor sexually abusing a child at ASR, where there is no abuse hotline as required by Mass law:
Now, let's examine this, Who: Let's say, for argument's sake that a kid's very own counselor sexually abuses him/her. ASR's plan, as you verified with them like I did, is to have that child report the abuse directly to the person that perpetrated it.
This is downright scary and paves the road for child abuse. I would avoid this facility at all costs. It's dangerous!
Sure, DJ, of course it is possible. The guy on the abuse hot line could talk dirty to the kids also... The hot line never helped the kids who were raped by their teacher at public school, so, the way I see it, you need to do 2 things to convince us one is needed:
1. Determine if the law requires a �Hot Line� to be installed in the school.
2. How effective is this hot line in keeping kids safe.
That's really all you need to know. TheWho advocates silencing abuse victims and protecting their abusers. Plain and simple, folks.
If he was a parent, he would never, ever, do that. He's nothing but a con artist... a total and complete sociopath.
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Whoa! I must have really hit a nerve when I exposed your double standard, Ursus. If you were honest I would have never had to expose you like that.
I dont think he ever did come up with the link!! But since the double standard still holds with you that doesnt matter too much.
Ya gotta love this place.
LOLOLLLLL. What "double standard" are you planning to "expose" me for, Whooter? I ask people for links all the time, to the point where a lot of folk probably think I'm an anal-retentive pain in the ass. So they either supply the links, or they ignore me, but nobody does what you do, which is to punish me and troll me for having had the audacity to ask. Lol. You're sounding kinda on the defensive on this one, Whooter! :D
lol, I am not planning anything, dont get defensive. I stated I did (past tense) expose your double standard when you jumped into another persons discussion and ask for link from only one party. I corrected your mistake (double standard) so that each of us was asked for a link. I dont see how this could be upsetting to you. I understand that it was merely just an oversight on your part and I helped you out.
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I dont think he ever did come up with the link!!
Just like you never produced the link I asked for where you not only misquoted me, but pulled it right out of your ass.
Just like you pulled this quote out of your ass:
Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380256#p380256)
You claimed you quoted me exactly but you never produced the link.
She didn't have to Whooter. RobertBruce brought it up right after that, and you even thanked him (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31238&start=45#p380424) for proving that link.
Did you think that Anne should have to repeat RobertBruce's post in case you missed it?
Incidentally, Anne did not misquote you, at least as far as your example above is concerned. Nor did she claim to have quoted you. Nor did she claim to have quoted you exactly. She paraphrased you. You might take issue with how she interpreted what you said or what your position is or was, but she never tried to claim that those were your exact words.
You, on the other hand, put words in other people's mouths, so to speak. You try to pass off manipulated and edited posts as being authentic to the original poster when, in fact, they are not. They are deliberate and explicit misrepresentations of others' words.
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Did you think that Anne should have to repeat RobertBruce's post in case you missed it?
Incidentally, Anne did not misquote you. She paraphrased you. You might have issue with how she interpreted what you said, but she never tried to claim that those were your exact words.
Anne said: I didn't misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said it it's entirety.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380759#p380759)
But the evidence proves otherwise. RobertBruces link showed that she mis quoted me and helped to clear it up.
Anne said: Whooter thinks having an abuse hotline in programs is a bad idea because the hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=380256#p380256)
I actually said: The guy on the abuse hot line could talk dirty to the kids also, but it is highly unlikely.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=255754#p255754)
Again a double standard and a lie, Ursus, you just lied openly about Anne not quoting me trying to cover for her. You are the one putting words in other people mouths.
Plus if you take the time to read the original discussion you will see what my intention was in making that comment.
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I actually said: The guy on the abuse hot line could talk dirty to the kids also, but it is highly unlikely.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=255754#p255754)
Uh huh....and that was your reason for not putting hotlines in programs.
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Clearly the "rules" aren't enforced. What's the point?
Wonder if Whooter is given full reign because he secretly funds the site. LOL
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Clearly the "rules" aren't enforced. What's the point?
The Rules have and are being enforced. You will notice that when you come onto fornits you dont see anymore attack threads by Dysfunction Junction, Troll Control or RobertBruce and all their Sock-puppets. We had endless threads on "TheWho is John Rueben", "Whooters lies" etc.. No one really cared to read them but they dominated the forum and when new posters came to fornits they were subjected to posters claiming to expose other posters names, email addresses. Some posters were threatening to email family members unless they edited their posts. You have to admit, "FreeofCC" that is isnt good and it wasnt stopping.
With the new rules everyone gets to express their opinion without fear of being attacked or ganged up on by multiple sock-puppets. Its a safer forum now.
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Clearly the "rules" aren't enforced. What's the point?
The Rules have and are being enforced. You will notice that when you come onto fornits you dont see anymore attack threads by Dysfunction Junction, Troll Control or RobertBruce and all their Sock-puppets. We had endless threads on "TheWho is John Rueben", "Whooters lies" etc.. No one really cared to read them but they dominated the forum and when new posters came to fornits they were subjected to posters claiming to expose other posters names, email addresses. Some posters were threatening to email family members unless they edited their posts. You have to admit, "FreeofCC" that is isnt good and it wasnt stopping.
With the new rules everyone gets to express their opinion without fear of being attacked or ganged up on by multiple sock-puppets. Its a safer forum now.
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The new rules were put into place specifically because of Whooter's trolling and sock-puppeteering. Here's a list of sockpuppets Whooter used in just a two month period. It's just a fraction of the logins/usernames he has had here over the years which is estimated to be well over 100.
Whooter's sockpuppets:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz
Heal Online
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
Whooter, as usual, is lying about who uses what sockpuppets. As you can see he has used nearly 50 in just two months. He's a troll.
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Clearly the "rules" aren't enforced. What's the point?
The Rules have and are being enforced. You will notice that when you come onto fornits you dont see anymore attack threads by Dysfunction Junction, Troll Control or RobertBruce and all their Sock-puppets. We had endless threads on "TheWho is John Rueben", "Whooters lies" etc.. No one really cared to read them but they dominated the forum and when new posters came to fornits they were subjected to posters claiming to expose other posters names, email addresses. Some posters were threatening to email family members unless they edited their posts. You have to admit, "FreeofCC" that is isnt good and it wasnt stopping.
With the new rules everyone gets to express their opinion without fear of being attacked or ganged up on by multiple sock-puppets. Its a safer forum now.
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The new rules were put into place specifically because of Control Troll's trolling and sock-puppeteering. The logins/usernames he has had here over the years which is estimated to be well over 200.
Troll control, as usual, is lying about who uses what sockpuppets.
(http://http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/pot-kettle-black.jpg)
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The new rules were put into place specifically because of Control Troll's trolling and sock-puppeteering.
:rofl:
Shall we compare your puppets with CT's? You spend far more time here attempting to do damage control than CT and that's been proven.
And CT's motives were to try to save kids from the abuse dished out in programs. Your motives, IMO, are to boost your income.
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Yes, it was confirmed by the admins that I had only one login name, ever. Whooter was confirmed to be using these ones, which he used to try to derail every thread on Fornits to silence abuse victims and boost his bottom line as a program referral agent.
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz
Heal Online
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
So, if you think you're talking to one of the people above, they're all Whooter.
So what if used hundreds of different logins on fornits? Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do to add value to your business lol. You people act like there's something wrong with capitalism.
Well, thanks for admitting it, anyway. Geesh.
So, for any of you parents looking to contribute to these forums, be aware that Whooter, in his hundreds of guises, is lurking here to discredit you if your child was abused at a program.
Now, please, let's stick to the topic and not allow Whooter to derail yet another thread.
RCS/HLA is up to their eyeballs already in violations. RCS/HLA always has been, and continues to be, an extremely dangerous environment for children.
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The new rules were put into place specifically because of Control Troll's trolling and sock-puppeteering.
:rofl:
Shall we compare your puppets with CT's? You spend far more time here attempting to do damage control than CT and that's been proven.
And CT's motives were to try to save kids from the abuse dished out in programs. Your motives, IMO, are to boost your income.
Actually it is untrue. He has twice as many alts than I did and he has lied on his list. They are not all mine. I never attempted to control any damage that I remember and I appreciate that you clarified that this is just your opinion.
Look at Trolling Controls last 25 posts and then look at mine and tell me who the troll is and who has contributed to an honest conversation here. He is very disruptive and he always has been. He was forced to change his name because of his disgusting posts and I dont blame him for running.
All the John Rueben, "thewho is a liar" threads never added any value here nor were people interested in hearing it day after day. imo. The guy is a troll, Anne, you know that too. you just happen to be on his wavelength thats all.
If you like all of that then encourage him to continue or start new threads up in the "open free for all" and troll me like he does. If it is fun for people then knock yourself out. I am just pointing out the obvious.
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Troll control, Please take this over to the "Open free for all" section. I will respond to you over there.
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Let's get back on topic here. Please don't let Whooter or his 100's of alts derail yet another thread. The new rules were put into place because Whooter chased an RCS parent and Jill Ryan off this thread with flooding and derailing. He's doing it again now.
The topic is "RCS - Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violations"
The mods should remind Whooter that he needs to post his spam and personal attacks in the OFFA forum.
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You will notice that when you come onto fornits you dont see anymore attack threads by Dysfunction Junction, Troll Control or RobertBruce and all their Sock-puppets. We had endless threads on "TheWho is John Rueben", "Whooters lies" etc.. No one really cared to read them but they dominated the forum and when new posters came to fornits they were subjected to posters claiming to expose other posters names, email addresses. ...
Actually, Whooter - I took great interest in reading about what a dishonest, whack-job
you are!
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when new posters came to fornits they were subjected to posters claiming to expose other posters names, email addresses.
And you're not guilty of doing exactly that, right? ::)
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From the periphery, HLA's threads( Ridge Creek), were moderated by a dedicated, professional 'adult' named Deborah. The site ran smoothly and fairly. Then it was allowed to be hijacked in 2007, a huge mistake in this writer's mind. Instead of backing up a dedicated professional, exuding knowledge, character, and sanity, and just adding technical support - well, one reaps what they sow and now these imbeciles run rampant, allowed to derail anything that has merit.
At one time, industry people (owners, Ed Cons ,and the like) swallowed, fretted, and paled because we all were dedicated to getting the truth out in hopes of saving lives. They read Fornits daily; they couldn't get enough of the salacious material their despicable behavior provided.
With reference to HLA's thread, Miller's staff were reading daily, GAO agents were reading, Georgia agency heads were reading, Georgia's Governor's office was reading, attorneys were reading, the press were reading, parents, survivors, staff and former staff of these gulags were reading. Fornits had credibility. All contributed, Deborah worked selflessly, tirelessly, along with many others to help build an informative, important avenue to combat this deplorable industry. We sought out the truth, checked, double checked our references, backed them up to the best of our ability.
We tried to keep our posts as factual as we could and yes, at times, our frustration and anger boiled over. But now I see on both the industry and non-industry sides, liberties are taken that cannot be backed up such as John Reuben trolling as Whooter, The Who, or whomever. Does John Reuben really take his computer while training on his runs for the NY Marathon and visiting Curacao on a weeks vacation with his love? Was Holloway feeding him info? Where's the beef? Then using pg54 's (another highly probable nutcase troll) statements re: teabagging at HLA, citing ORS report in 2003 (ORS reports began on HLA after their licensing was required in 2007, did they not?). What we do have are parent complaints, letters and emails to the ORS, regarding HLA, stemming back from it's inception in the mid-90's. It could have been Ridge Creek Wilderness, which was licensed by the ORS earlier in 2000, thanks to Deborah's perseverance and fight).
Was SCROFT another set-up?
Whooter and his various aliases, derails because he has been allowed to derail. Staying on topic is not silencing freedom of speech. Dah. How many threads have been an off-shoot of an original post to stay on topic, which were ORS reports on HLA/RC? That is viable information, yet it was allowed to be derailed because of freedom of speech?
What about truth and getting the information out to families? It appeared to work well when Deborah was moderating this forum and I was never told those years that it "lacked credibility." Glancing above, one notices it is all about "whooter" again, awfully enabling of narcissistic behavior.
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From the periphery, HLA's threads( Ridge Creek), were moderated by a dedicated, professional 'adult' named Deborah. The site ran smoothly and fairly. Then it was allowed to be hijacked in 2007, a huge mistake in this writer's mind. Instead of backing up a dedicated professional, exuding knowledge, character, and sanity, and just adding technical support - well, one reaps what they sow and now these imbeciles run rampant, allowed to derail anything that has merit.
At one time, industry people (owners, Ed Cons ,and the like) swallowed, fretted, and paled because we all were dedicated to getting the truth out in hopes of saving lives. They read Fornits daily; they couldn't get enough of the salacious material their despicable behavior provided.
With reference to HLA's thread, Miller's staff were reading daily, GAO agents were reading, Georgia agency heads were reading, Georgia's Governor's office was reading, attorneys were reading, the press were reading, parents, survivors, staff and former staff of these gulags were reading. Fornits had credibility. All contributed, Deborah worked selflessly, tirelessly, along with many others to help build an informative, important avenue to combat this deplorable industry. We sought out the truth, checked, double checked our references, backed them up to the best of our ability.
We tried to keep our posts as factual as we could and yes, at times, our frustration and anger boiled over. But now I see on both the industry and non-industry sides, liberties are taken that cannot be backed up such as John Reuben trolling as Whooter, The Who, or whomever. Does John Reuben really take his computer while training on his runs for the NY Marathon and visiting Curacao on a weeks vacation with his love? Was Holloway feeding him info? Where's the beef? Then using pg54 's (another highly probable nutcase troll) statements re: teabagging at HLA, citing ORS report in 2003 (ORS reports began on HLA after their licensing was required in 2007, did they not?). What we do have are parent complaints, letters and emails to the ORS, regarding HLA, stemming back from it's inception in the mid-90's. It could have been Ridge Creek Wilderness, which was licensed by the ORS earlier in 2000, thanks to Deborah's perseverance and fight).
Was SCROFT another set-up?
Whooter and his various aliases, derails because he has been allowed to derail. Staying on topic is not silencing freedom of speech. Dah. How many threads have been an off-shoot of an original post to stay on topic, which were ORS reports on HLA/RC? That is viable information, yet it was allowed to be derailed because of freedom of speech?
What about truth and getting the information out to families? It appeared to work well when Deborah was moderating this forum and I was never told those years that it "lacked credibility." Glancing above, one notices it is all about "whooter" again, awfully enabling of narcissistic behavior.
Jill, People are making it about me, I am not doing this. Maybe I should not respond and let people take shots at me like Samara, yourself, DJ etal. But I think I have a right to and you would defend yourself too.
I agree with your perception that it would be very difficult for a person to post while running marathons....... and the pro-program and well and the anti-program people engaged in the same actions. I was able to debunk the teabagging issue that many posters (which I will not mention) tried to force down our throats (no pun intended) as credible. I was able to show that PG54 was a troll and his information could not be trusted.
I engaged in debates with many of you and was attacked by various aliases because of my views. We have shown that many posters had sock-puppets and attacked me and other posters. I never had any intention of blocking any information by disrupting a thread. If you felt I ever did that then show me a specific post. Most of the times I posted as a guest I did so to respond to others doing the same thing.
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Thank you, Jill, for this thoughtful reply. It is a shame that John Reuben can derail all meaningful dialogue on Fornits without repercussions.
I believe it was Botched Programming that stated it earlier: Fornits itself has become a shill piece for the industry. Industry types like Whooter (a.k.a. John Reuben) can simply derail every thread at will while the admins are busy banning "regulars" who actually move against abusive programs and advocate for the children who have their lives ruined by them. The admins silence survivors on Whooter's behalf while Whooter works diligently to silence the entire website.
It's really a shame that Psy has become Whooter's marionette and Fornits has become Whooter's puppetry stage. This place really sucks now and, as Samara accurately pointed out before, since Whooter's arrival Fornits has been basically destroyed, which, of course, has been his singular focus all along.
Sad, but true.
RIP, Fornits.
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Thank you, Jill, for this thoughtful reply. It is a shame that John Reuben can derail all meaningful dialogue on Fornits without repercussions.
I believe it was Botched Programming that stated it earlier: Fornits itself has become a shill piece for the industry. Industry types like Whooter (a.k.a. John Reuben) can simply derail every thread at will while the admins are busy banning "regulars" who actually move against abusive programs and advocate for the children who have their lives ruined by them. The admins silence survivors on Whooter's behalf while Whooter works diligently to silence the entire website.
It's really a shame that Psy has become Whooter's marionette and Fornits has become Whooter's puppetry stage. This place really sucks now and, as Samara accurately pointed out before, since Whooter's arrival Fornits has been basically destroyed, which, of course, has been his singular focus all along.
Sad, but true.
RIP, Fornits.
I think the point you are missing,watchful Yeoman, is that the new forum takes away the ability to attack people via sock-puppets. How does this give me an advantage? Are you saying that you relied on sock-puppets to get your point across?
Why should anti-program people have an advantage?
Why should Pro-program people have and advantage?
Do you want to go back to a forum where you read Dysfunction Junctions rants about this Reuben guy 24/7?
Bruce sending emails to families who are victims of sibling suicide? Is that the fornits you want?
If you truly believe that I was constantly trolling fornits using various login names and Aliases then why does taking that away favor me?
See what I mean?
Everyone should be happy that we can all speak openly without fear of being attacked for what we say. It will be a safer forum for everyone and facilitate more users to stay longer.
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Thank you, Jill, for this thoughtful reply. It is a shame that John Reuben can derail all meaningful dialogue on Fornits without repercussions.
I believe it was Botched Programming that stated it earlier: Fornits itself has become a shill piece for the industry. Industry types like Whooter (a.k.a. John Reuben) can simply derail every thread at will while the admins are busy banning "regulars" who actually move against abusive programs and advocate for the children who have their lives ruined by them. The admins silence survivors on Whooter's behalf while Whooter works diligently to silence the entire website.
It's really a shame that Psy has become Whooter's marionette and Fornits has become Whooter's puppetry stage. This place really sucks now and, as Samara accurately pointed out before, since Whooter's arrival Fornits has been basically destroyed, which, of course, has been his singular focus all along.
Sad, but true.
RIP, Fornits.
Look, the admins sold out. There's not much more to say about it. Trolls like Whooter are free to derail while people who actually advocate for kids get banned.
Almost to a user, people say here that Fornits went downhill with Whooter's arrival. I agree with that assessment. Just go back and look at the hundreds of threads fully derailed by one person. And the admin's response has been to ban the people that expose abusive programs and reward people who stymie all discussion.
Just look at this very thread. Whooter has derailed it since day one.
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It's a shame, but the new rules are in place because Whooter spam-posted over 1,700 times in less than two months. It takes most people a few years to log 1,700 posts.
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Not me.... :rofl:
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From the periphery, HLA's threads( Ridge Creek), were moderated by a dedicated, professional 'adult' named Deborah. The site ran smoothly and fairly. Then it was allowed to be hijacked in 2007, a huge mistake in this writer's mind. Instead of backing up a dedicated professional, exuding knowledge, character, and sanity, and just adding technical support - well, one reaps what they sow and now these imbeciles run rampant, allowed to derail anything that has merit.
At one time, industry people (owners, Ed Cons ,and the like) swallowed, fretted, and paled because we all were dedicated to getting the truth out in hopes of saving lives. They read Fornits daily; they couldn't get enough of the salacious material their despicable behavior provided.
Who, please list these names.
With reference to HLA's thread, Miller's staff were reading daily, GAO agents were reading, Georgia agency heads were reading, Georgia's Governor's office was reading, attorneys were reading, the press were reading, parents, survivors, staff and former staff of these gulags were reading. Fornits had credibility. All contributed, Deborah worked selflessly, tirelessly, along with many others to help build an informative, important avenue to combat this deplorable industry. We sought out the truth, checked, double checked our references, backed them up to the best of our ability.
Some were reading but no where near enough, why do you think RCS opened so fast.
We tried to keep our posts as factual as we could and yes, at times, our frustration and anger boiled over. But now I see on both the industry and non-industry sides, liberties are taken that cannot be backed up such as John Reuben trolling as Whooter, The Who, or whomever. Does John Reuben really take his computer while training on his runs for the NY Marathon and visiting Curacao on a weeks vacation with his love? Was Holloway feeding him info? Where's the beef? Then using pg54 's (another highly probable nutcase troll) statements re: teabagging at HLA, citing ORS report in 2003 (ORS reports began on HLA after their licensing was required in 2007, did they not?). What we do have are parent complaints, letters and emails to the ORS, regarding HLA, stemming back from it's inception in the mid-90's. It could have been Ridge Creek Wilderness, which was licensed by the ORS earlier in 2000, thanks to Deborah's perseverance and fight).
Was SCROFT another set-up?
Whooter and his various aliases, derails because he has been allowed to derail. Staying on topic is not silencing freedom of speech. Dah. How many threads have been an off-shoot of an original post to stay on topic, which were ORS reports on HLA/RC? That is viable information, yet it was allowed to be derailed because of freedom of speech?
What about truth and getting the information out to families? It appeared to work well when Deborah was moderating this forum and I was never told those years that it "lacked credibility." Glancing above, one notices it is all about "whooter" again, awfully enabling of narcissistic behavior.
Jill, Debbie is not here, and if your britches are not big enough to step into the ring and fight for what you think is right then go mute.
Other wise I suggest you roll up your sleeves get in here with both feet, take back your forum, stop your incessant whining about yesterday and show us what your going to do about today, are you that kind of person Jill.
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Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.
Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.
Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.
Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
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I agree with Jill's comments. When Deborah moderated this forum fornits had a far greater impact. Afterall it was us that forced Buchi to close down. Now that he's simply reopened we should be doing exactly what did before. With Deborah here everyone was treated fairly and free speech was only moderated, not stifiled. Whooter John constantly lied and cried about his posts being edited or deleted, but there was no truth to any of this. Whenever he would attempt to derail a thread in his continual effort to bury pertinant information, she woulld simply split his nonsense off into a seperate thread.
I think preventing him from constantly trolling other posters and preventing him from using sock puppets was the right move, but I feel more needs to be done. Especially now that he's actually found people like Max and Danny who really are willing to drink the kool aid.
Buchi really was afraid of those of us who are anti child abuse. I'd like to see a return to that.
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I agree with Jill's comments. When Deborah moderated this forum fornits had a far greater impact. Afterall it was us that forced Buchi to close down. Now that he's simply reopened we should be doing exactly what did before. With Deborah here everyone was treated fairly and free speech was only moderated, not stifiled. Whooter John constantly lied and cried about his posts being edited or deleted, but there was no truth to any of this. Whenever he would attempt to derail a thread in his continual effort to bury pertinant information, she woulld simply split his nonsense off into a seperate thread.
I think preventing him from constantly trolling other posters and preventing him from using sock puppets was the right move, but I feel more needs to be done. Especially now that he's actually found people like Max and Danny who really are willing to drink the kool aid.
Buchi really was afraid of those of us who are anti child abuse. I'd like to see a return to that.
Dude, the only person drinking the "kool-aid" is you. You have to be high on drugs if you think you had anything to do with closing HLA, because then we would have to think, where were you when they were re-opening, drunk with elation.
Ya know folks like you Robert are bad for this Web Site, because you purposely mislead people to believe your fairy tales. Remember I am from Georgia and whether you want to believe it or not know more then you think. I have friends all over the industry, no one is afraid of Fornits.
Jill and you are dreaming a "pipe dream", HLA got themselves closed down do to stupidity and arrogance, nothing more nothing less. All I'll say about that.
Your ego is fooling you, again.
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Dude, the only person drinking the "kool-aid" is you. You have to be high on drugs if you think you had anything to do with closing HLA, because then we would have to think, where were you when they were re-opening, drunk with elation.
Ya know folks like you Robert are bad for this Web Site, because you purposely mislead people to believe your fairy tales. Remember I am from Georgia and whether you want to believe it or not know more then you think. I have friends all over the industry, no one is afraid of Fornits.
Jill and you are dreaming a "pipe dream", HLA got themselves closed down do to stupidity and arrogance, nothing more nothing less. All I'll say about that.
Your ego is fooling you, again.
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Danny you don't know anyone, or anything involving this situation. The reason you have trouble fitting into tight spaces isn't because of the fact that you're so overweight, it's due to your massive ego.
If we didn't cause the closure, who did?
If Buchi wasn't afraid of us why did he constantly send his lapdogs onto this site in an effort to disrupt the forum or offer bad information?
If we didn't have an effect why did so many HLA insiders come to us and leak information?
And if we didn't accomplish anything why did Buchi reach for any and all (incuding illegal) methods to try and silence us?
Get back to me on those one Danny.
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Danny you don't know anyone, or anything involving this situation. The reason you have trouble fitting into tight spaces isn't because of the fact that you're so overweight, it's due to your massive ego.
If we didn't cause the closure, who did?
If Buchi wasn't afraid of us why did he constantly send his lapdogs onto this site in an effort to disrupt the forum or offer bad information?
If we didn't have an effect why did so many HLA insiders come to us and leak information?
And if we didn't accomplish anything why did Buchi reach for any and all (incuding illegal) methods to try and silence us?
Get back to me on those one Danny.
Get back on what?????? Your perspective. Why?????? I already know what happened. Trust me better then you.
Buchi, was a arrogant pig who irritated the wrong people.
Now, if you know so much, please explain where all your influence was, when RCS was opening. You did not have anything to do with HLA closing nor RSC opening.
Georgia politics my man.
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Get back on what?????? Your perspective. Why?????? I already know what happened. Trust me better then you.
Buchi, was a arrogant pig who irritated the wrong people.
Now, if you know so much, please explain where all your influence was, when RCS was opening. You did not have anything to do with HLA closing nor RSC opening.
Georgia politics my man.
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Danny your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Georgia politics? Buchi had Georgia politicans in his pocket. He had state commedations bought and paid for.
Were you involved with the lawsuit? Did you recruit former inmates to petition to join the class? Did you have regular conversations with the attorneys involving intimate details of the case? Did you have regular conversations with former and current staff members assuring them that the information they gave would not be linked back to them, and Buchi would not be able to retaliate? Were you in regular discussion with Keith Bostic and others at GAO and ORS? Did you advise any of them if they continued to fail to due their jobs you would be going to the press? Did you speak with the press regarding what the situation was and how it continued to develop? Did you spend countless hours researching and providing detailed information on state regulations and how they were being violated to those who needed to know?
No? Oh well.....I did, so once again son, you're wrong. Have another drink and move on. Stop trying to derail the conversation.
To answer your question, at its inception RC wasn't violating the same regulations HLA was. Further RC was opened after my incarceration so I had no first hand knowledge of what went on there. Whatsmore at the time we weren't hearing the same kinds of abuse coming out of RC that we were from HLA. Now that HLA is gone, (again, thanks to us. A situation you have no information on) and BUchi is putting all of his eggs in one basket, we can once again began the process of holding him accountable, and forcing him to either obey the law, or close up shop. I know this upsets you because your beloved Messiah Whooter John told you it should, but this is actually a good thing. We did it before, won't be hard to do it again.
Now again, youv'e been warned; Don't derail a conversation again. If you work up the courage to answer my questions you may do so via either a new thread, or a PM.
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Danny you don't know anyone, or anything involving this situation. The reason you have trouble fitting into tight spaces isn't because of the fact that you're so overweight, it's due to your massive ego.
If we didn't cause the closure, who did?
If Buchi wasn't afraid of us why did he constantly send his lapdogs onto this site in an effort to disrupt the forum or offer bad information?
If we didn't have an effect why did so many HLA insiders come to us and leak information?
And if we didn't accomplish anything why did Buchi reach for any and all (incuding illegal) methods to try and silence us?
Get back to me on those one Danny.
Get back on what?????? Your perspective. Why?????? I already know what happened. Trust me better then you.
Buchi, was a arrogant pig who irritated the wrong people.
Now, if you know so much, please explain where all your influence was, when RCS was opening. You did not have anything to do with HLA closing nor RSC opening.
Georgia politics my man.
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Danny this is Bruces' MO. Whenever he is in a corner he posts a list of questions and then asks the person to get back to him. Its a little silly, but it is his way of taking the focus off himself when he is proved wrong or found to be lying. It typically leads to a total thread derailment. What I have found to be successful (in offsetting a derailment) is to give him the time he needs to purge his anger on another thread (maybe in the offa section now), attacking others or allowing him to send emails to peoples' families sometimes helps him calm down.
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Danny this is Bruces' MO. Whenever he is in a corner he posts a list of questions and then asks the person to get back to him. Its a little silly, but it is his way of taking the focus off himself when he is proved wrong or found to be lying. It typically leads to a total thread derailment. What I have found to be successful (in offsetting a derailment) is to give him the time he needs to purge his anger on another thread (maybe in the offa section now), attacking others or allowing him to send emails to peoples' families sometimes helps him calm down.
Proven wrong or found to be lying about what John? We're talking about RC safety here, don't attempt to derail to save your beloved disciple from further embarrassment. He's learned from you how to look stupid and put his foot (among other things) in his mouth and now he's having to deal with that. He asked a legitimate question about where we were in our involvement with RC and I answered him. This led to a discussion on the circumstances involving the closure of HLA. He has an over inflated sense of self importance that I'm helping him take down. It's for his own good. Now if he like you is afraid to answer a couple of questions whenever he finds himself painted into a corner by his own comments, all he has to do is say so and we can move on.
As an aside I'm going to need you to finally man up the courage to back up your claims regarding me, or I'm going to send out another email to someone in your family. Let me know Johnny.
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Get back on what?????? Your perspective. Why?????? I already know what happened. Trust me better then you.
Buchi, was a arrogant pig who irritated the wrong people.
Now, if you know so much, please explain where all your influence was, when RCS was opening. You did not have anything to do with HLA closing nor RSC opening.
Georgia politics my man.
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Danny your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Georgia politics? Buchi had Georgia politicans in his pocket. He had state commedations bought and paid for.
Were you involved with the lawsuit? Did you recruit former inmates to petition to join the class? Did you have regular conversations with the attorneys involving intimate details of the case? Did you have regular conversations with former and current staff members assuring them that the information they gave would not be linked back to them, and Buchi would not be able to retaliate? Were you in regular discussion with Keith Bostic and others at GAO and ORS? Did you advise any of them if they continued to fail to due their jobs you would be going to the press? Did you speak with the press regarding what the situation was and how it continued to develop? Did you spend countless hours researching and providing detailed information on state regulations and how they were being violated to those who needed to know?
No? Oh well.....I did, so once again son, you're wrong. Have another drink and move on. Stop trying to derail the conversation.
To answer your question, at its inception RC wasn't violating the same regulations HLA was. Further RC was opened after my incarceration so I had no first hand knowledge of what went on there. Whatsmore at the time we weren't hearing the same kinds of abuse coming out of RC that we were from HLA. Now that HLA is gone, (again, thanks to us. A situation you have no information on) and BUchi is putting all of his eggs in one basket, we can once again began the process of holding him accountable, and forcing him to either obey the law, or close up shop. I know this upsets you because your beloved Messiah Whooter John told you it should, but this is actually a good thing. We did it before, won't be hard to do it again.
Now again, youv'e been warned; Don't derail a conversation again. If you work up the courage to answer my questions you may do so via either a new thread, or a PM.
Why I am responding to you I don't know, yes I know Keith, who doesn't. I am not arguing that you talked with all these people and organizations, what I am arguing is you taking any credit (you bombastic talker) for HLA closing. In all actuality they closed themselves and then turned around and re-opened. So what did you accomplish, Zero. I would think that you would be embarrassed to even acknowledge you had anything to do with this. This is why it is hard to believe you, Robert.
You think i want this, fuck no. I can not stand that arrogant POS Buchi. BTW, neither can many politicians in Georgia.
I just want everyone to know the honest truth that we (yourself and I) at this point in life have very little to do with closing any program and keeping them shut down.
I don;t care if you have the GAO on your speed dial it is not making any difference at this time, Robert.
Parents, State Authorities, Fed Gov't, Public Schools and Doctors want programs for kids and there willing to work with the Corps. to make this happen.
Georgia wants RCS to survive and be successful, Governor Perdue if I can remember where the link is, so much as stated that, Georgia needs programs for their children.
This is the reality, now what are you going to do about that.
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Danny this is Bruces' MO. Whenever he is in a corner he posts a list of questions and then asks the person to get back to him. Its a little silly, but it is his way of taking the focus off himself when he is proved wrong or found to be lying. It typically leads to a total thread derailment. What I have found to be successful (in offsetting a derailment) is to give him the time he needs to purge his anger on another thread (maybe in the offa section now), attacking others or allowing him to send emails to peoples' families sometimes helps him calm down.
Proven wrong or found to be lying about what John? We're talking about RC safety here, don't attempt to derail to save your beloved disciple from further embarrassment. He's learned from you how to look stupid and put his foot (among other things) in his mouth and now he's having to deal with that. He asked a legitimate question about where we were in our involvement with RC and I answered him. This led to a discussion on the circumstances involving the closure of HLA. He has an over inflated sense of self importance that I'm helping him take down. It's for his own good. Now if he like you is afraid to answer a couple of questions whenever he finds himself painted into a corner by his own comments, all he has to do is say so and we can move on.
As an aside I'm going to need you to finally man up the courage to back up your claims regarding me, or I'm going to send out another email to someone in your family. Let me know Johnny.
Robert, RCS is open and will remain that way regardless of what you do. :rofl: Man, you are stubborn one. Oh BTW, please explain to everyone here when was the last time you had anything to do with RCS, don't lie. I will ask.
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Why I am responding to you I don't know, yes I know Keith, who doesn't. I am not arguing that you talked with all these people and organizations, what I am arguing is you taking any credit (you bombastic talker) for HLA closing. In all actuality they closed themselves and then turned around and re-opened. So what did you accomplish, Zero. I would think that you would be embarrassed to even acknowledge you had anything to do with this. This is why it is hard to believe you, Robert.
You think i want this, fuck no. I can not stand that arrogant POS Buchi. BTW, neither can many politicians in Georgia.
I just want everyone to know the honest truth that we (yourself and I) at this point in life have very little to do with closing any program and keeping them shut down.
I don;t care if you have the GAO on your speed dial it is not making any difference at this time, Robert.
Parents, State Authorities, Fed Gov't, Public Schools and Doctors want programs for kids and there willing to work with the Corps. to make this happen.
Georgia wants RCS to survive and be successful, Governor Perdue if I can remember where the link is, so much as stated that, Georgia needs programs for their children.
This is the reality, now what are you going to do about that.
Do a little tailgating early today Danny? Slow down and maybe switch to O'Douls for right now.
Now since you seem to believe that we and I specifically had nothing to do with the schools closure, let me ask you a question; If that was true why did Buchi work so hard to try and silence us? Why did he try and silence me?
As for what Georgia poltcians want, you might be missing the distinction between abusive programs and ones that actually do any good. Of course that might be because there arent any that do any good.
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Robert, RCS is open and will remain that way regardless of what you do. Man, you are stubborn one. Oh BTW, please explain to everyone here when was the last time you had anything to do with RCS, don't lie. I will ask.
That's funny, that's the exact thing the lapdogs over at HLA said before we shut them down.
Now then, I'd be happy to answer your question just as soon as you can answer mine. There are several on this page alone son, get to it. If you're too afraid just so say and I'll answer yours regardless.
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Get back on what?????? Your perspective. Why?????? I already know what happened. Trust me better then you.
Buchi, was a arrogant pig who irritated the wrong people.
Now, if you know so much, please explain where all your influence was, when RCS was opening. You did not have anything to do with HLA closing nor RSC opening.
Georgia politics my man.
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Danny your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Georgia politics? Buchi had Georgia politicans in his pocket. He had state commedations bought and paid for.
Were you involved with the lawsuit? Did you recruit former inmates to petition to join the class? Did you have regular conversations with the attorneys involving intimate details of the case? Did you have regular conversations with former and current staff members assuring them that the information they gave would not be linked back to them, and Buchi would not be able to retaliate? Were you in regular discussion with Keith Bostic and others at GAO and ORS? Did you advise any of them if they continued to fail to due their jobs you would be going to the press? Did you speak with the press regarding what the situation was and how it continued to develop? Did you spend countless hours researching and providing detailed information on state regulations and how they were being violated to those who needed to know?
No? Oh well.....I did, so once again son, you're wrong. Have another drink and move on. Stop trying to derail the conversation.
To answer your question, at its inception RC wasn't violating the same regulations HLA was. Further RC was opened after my incarceration so I had no first hand knowledge of what went on there. Whatsmore at the time we weren't hearing the same kinds of abuse coming out of RC that we were from HLA. Now that HLA is gone, (again, thanks to us. A situation you have no information on) and BUchi is putting all of his eggs in one basket, we can once again began the process of holding him accountable, and forcing him to either obey the law, or close up shop. I know this upsets you because your beloved Messiah Whooter John told you it should, but this is actually a good thing. We did it before, won't be hard to do it again.
Now again, youv'e been warned; Don't derail a conversation again. If you work up the courage to answer my questions you may do so via either a new thread, or a PM.
Why I am responding to you I don't know, yes I know Keith, who doesn't. I am not arguing that you talked with all these people and organizations, what I am arguing is you taking any credit (you bombastic talker) for HLA closing. In all actuality they closed themselves and then turned around and re-opened. So what did you accomplish, Zero. I would think that you would be embarrassed to even acknowledge you had anything to do with this. This is why it is hard to believe you, Robert.
You think i want this, fuck no. I can not stand that arrogant POS Buchi. BTW, neither can many politicians in Georgia.
I just want everyone to know the honest truth that we (yourself and I) at this point in life have very little to do with closing any program and keeping them shut down.
I don;t care if you have the GAO on your speed dial it is not making any difference at this time, Robert.
Parents, State Authorities, Fed Gov't, Public Schools and Doctors want programs for kids and there willing to work with the Corps. to make this happen.
Georgia wants RCS to survive and be successful, Governor Perdue if I can remember where the link is, so much as stated that, Georgia needs programs for their children.
This is the reality, now what are you going to do about that.
Very few kids from Georgia attended HLA/RC. Unless you're talking about the juvenile delinquents Buchi is currently persuing. This is no surprise. Many of us saw this coming a couple of years ago. Easy money, and less scrutiny when you're incarcerating "criminals".
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Get back on what?????? Your perspective. Why?????? I already know what happened. Trust me better then you.
Buchi, was a arrogant pig who irritated the wrong people.
Now, if you know so much, please explain where all your influence was, when RCS was opening. You did not have anything to do with HLA closing nor RSC opening.
Georgia politics my man.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Danny your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance. Georgia politics? Buchi had Georgia politicans in his pocket. He had state commedations bought and paid for.
Were you involved with the lawsuit? Did you recruit former inmates to petition to join the class? Did you have regular conversations with the attorneys involving intimate details of the case? Did you have regular conversations with former and current staff members assuring them that the information they gave would not be linked back to them, and Buchi would not be able to retaliate? Were you in regular discussion with Keith Bostic and others at GAO and ORS? Did you advise any of them if they continued to fail to due their jobs you would be going to the press? Did you speak with the press regarding what the situation was and how it continued to develop? Did you spend countless hours researching and providing detailed information on state regulations and how they were being violated to those who needed to know?
No? Oh well.....I did, so once again son, you're wrong. Have another drink and move on. Stop trying to derail the conversation.
To answer your question, at its inception RC wasn't violating the same regulations HLA was. Further RC was opened after my incarceration so I had no first hand knowledge of what went on there. Whatsmore at the time we weren't hearing the same kinds of abuse coming out of RC that we were from HLA. Now that HLA is gone, (again, thanks to us. A situation you have no information on) and BUchi is putting all of his eggs in one basket, we can once again began the process of holding him accountable, and forcing him to either obey the law, or close up shop. I know this upsets you because your beloved Messiah Whooter John told you it should, but this is actually a good thing. We did it before, won't be hard to do it again.
Now again, youv'e been warned; Don't derail a conversation again. If you work up the courage to answer my questions you may do so via either a new thread, or a PM.
Why I am responding to you I don't know, yes I know Keith, who doesn't. I am not arguing that you talked with all these people and organizations, what I am arguing is you taking any credit (you bombastic talker) for HLA closing. In all actuality they closed themselves and then turned around and re-opened. So what did you accomplish, Zero. I would think that you would be embarrassed to even acknowledge you had anything to do with this. This is why it is hard to believe you, Robert.
You think i want this, fuck no. I can not stand that arrogant POS Buchi. BTW, neither can many politicians in Georgia.
I just want everyone to know the honest truth that we (yourself and I) at this point in life have very little to do with closing any program and keeping them shut down.
I don;t care if you have the GAO on your speed dial it is not making any difference at this time, Robert.
Parents, State Authorities, Fed Gov't, Public Schools and Doctors want programs for kids and there willing to work with the Corps. to make this happen.
Georgia wants RCS to survive and be successful, Governor Perdue if I can remember where the link is, so much as stated that, Georgia needs programs for their children.
This is the reality, now what are you going to do about that.
Very few kids from Georgia attended HLA/RC. Unless you're talking about the juvenile delinquents Buchi is currently persuing. This is no surprise. Many of us saw this coming a couple of years ago. Easy money, and less scrutiny when you're incarcerating "criminals".
I have no idea where you got this information from because it is not true. Georgia was well represented there, maybe not when you were there which can happen but they were there.
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19 of 156 is hardly "well represented". That was 2000, directly from the parent manual.
Jill, what was it in 2005-06?
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19 of 156 is hardly "well represented". That was 2000, directly from the parent manual.
Jill, what was it in 2005-06?
Yes, that is, it is 29% of the overall population. Now your asking Jill who was 5 years later.
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19 of 156 is hardly "well represented". That was 2000, directly from the parent manual.
Jill, what was it in 2005-06?
Yes, that is, it is 29% of the overall population. Now your asking Jill who was 5 years later.
:eek: . . . W O W
19 is barely more than 12 percent of 156. And yet, you ... claim to run a contracting / construction biznis? In multiple locations?
Anyway, I don't think that twelve percent of the students coming from Georgia exactly qualifies for Georgia being "well represented" at HLA / RC. Of course, more often than not, that's generally the case with these shit pits. Usually most of the student population comes from elsewhere... The locals know better.
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Danny, tell us again, how long did you work there?
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Danny, tell us again, how long did you work there?
Month, Day and Year, son. Com'on you can do it.
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19 of 156 is hardly "well represented". That was 2000, directly from the parent manual.
Jill, what was it in 2005-06?
Yes, that is, it is 29% of the overall population. Now your asking Jill who was 5 years later.
:eek: . . . W O W
19 is barely more than 12 percent of 156. And yet, you ... claim to run a contracting / construction biznis? In multiple locations?
Anyway, I don't think that twelve percent of the students coming from Georgia exactly qualifies for Georgia being "well represented" at HLA / RC. Of course, more often than not, that's generally the case with these shit pits. Usually most of the student population comes from elsewhere... The locals know better.
Your right, 19 divided into 156 = 12%. I was rushing and listening to two folks at the same time. We are confirming this but I believe what I was trying to say is HLA had a representation of Georgians in and around 29% during its time in business. So I believe some years were better then others.
This makes sense because if you look at the average income and the fact Georgia sits smack dab in the middle of the Bible Belt well 12% would be good,also.
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19 of 156 is hardly "well represented". That was 2000, directly from the parent manual.
Jill, what was it in 2005-06?
The amount of in-state students 2004-2005 was nominal. There were only 120 and change enrolled in the fall of 2004, then if I recall, the enrollment went to 140 or so. HLA published the demographics in their literature at that time, but my records are not with me.
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Month, Day and Year, son. Com'on you can do it.
Already been done. Look in your OFFA thread where the conversation should be kept. Ask for help if you need it son.
Now again, my question for this thread remains: How long did you work at HLA?
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19 of 156 is hardly "well represented". That was 2000, directly from the parent manual.
Jill, what was it in 2005-06?
The amount of in-state students 2004-2005 was nominal. There were only 120 and change enrolled in the fall of 2004, then if I recall, the enrollment went to 140 or so. HLA published the demographics in their literature at that time, but my records are not with me.
Listen lets get this conversation back to factual statements, that is all I am saying. Nominal for Georgia in regard to socio-economics is what? Listen 12% is not doing bad (not great) but from what I'm hearing 29% overall, is the number. Have not backed that up yet.
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Month, Day and Year, son. Com'on you can do it.
Already been done. Look in your OFFA thread where the conversation should be kept. Ask for help if you need it son.
Now again, my question for this thread remains: How long did you work at HLA?
Listen, you said if I answered a question for you, you would in exchange. So, Robert, give me a hand here and tell me, Month, Day and Year.
I am busy today.
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Month, Day and Year, son. Com'on you can do it.
Already been done. Look in your OFFA thread where the conversation should be kept. Ask for help if you need it son.
Now again, my question for this thread remains: How long did you work at HLA?
Listen, you said if I answered a question for you, you would in exchange. So, Robert give me a hand here and tell me Month, Day and Year.
I am busy today.
Danny, with my very long experience with Bruce I can tell you he is never straight with people and likes to play games and draw things out, avoid answering as long as possible to keep the attention focused on himself. If you read his posts you will see he has no intention of having a valid conversation. He mostly asks people questions without sharing himself and then will hound you endlessly for an answer from you.
Its a dead end.
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Only because I love proving you wrong John. Despite the fact that it happens so often, it somehow never gets old.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31304&start=45
There you have it. Posted several days ago.
Now Danny, stop being lazy and stop trying to derail the conversation. This thread is dedicated to discussing safety issues at RC. Stay on topic or get banned.
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Only because I love proving you wrong John. Despite the fact that it happens so often, it somehow never gets old.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31304&start=45
There you have it. Posted several days ago.
Now Danny, stop being lazy and stop trying to derail the conversation. This thread is dedicated to discussing safety issues at RC. Stay on topic or get banned.
Robert, we need the Month, Day and Year. You seem to be able to remember verbatim exactly what legalities transpired between Buchi and HLA but stumble on your dates being a inmate (your word).
So a day is not difficult, especially a day that is as important as the day your incarceration (your word)started at HLA.
Robert, this information is insufficient (June of 1996), all the information needs to be supplied. Hey, I gave you what you wanted, fair is fair. I would also like to mention that there is a level of honesty expected in your answer.
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I'll discuss the matter further in the appropriate thread on OFFA. Look for my response there.
As for this thread, my question to you remains; How long did you work at HLA?
P.S. I'm proud of you for finally learning the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.
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I'll discuss the matter further in the appropriate thread on OFFA. Look for my response there.
As for this thread, my question to you remains; How long did you work at HLA?
P.S. I'm proud of you for finally learning the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.
I don't care where you post it. Just post the day and tell me where to find it.
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I'll discuss the matter further in the appropriate thread on OFFA. Look for my response there.
As for this thread, my question to you remains; How long did you work at HLA?
P.S. I'm proud of you for finally learning the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.
I don't care where you post it. Just post the day and tell me where to find it.
Already posted in the same OFFA thread you asked me the question to begin with in. Now, if you attempt to derail this conversation pertaining to RC one more time, I'm reporting you to Psy for derailment. Stay on topic or get banned.
Now, the question to you remains; How long did you work at HLA.
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I'll discuss the matter further in the appropriate thread on OFFA. Look for my response there.
As for this thread, my question to you remains; How long did you work at HLA?
P.S. I'm proud of you for finally learning the difference between 'your' and 'you're'.
I don't care where you post it. Just post the day and tell me where to find it.
Already posted in the same OFFA thread you asked me the question to begin with in. Now, if you attempt to derail this conversation pertaining to RC one more time, I'm reporting you to Psy for derailment. Stay on topic or get banned.
Now, the question to you remains; How long did you work at HLA.
You asked the question here, now answer the question. The day? Don't ever threaten me again.
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You asked the question here, now answer the question. The day? Don't ever threaten me again.
I'll threaten you with consequences for rule violations all I like. There is literally nothing you can do about it. I've reported you to Psy for attempting to derail the conversation.
Your question has already been answered in the OFFA thread. Several hours ago. If you're not quite smart enough to figure out where to find something in a thread you started, just ask for help son. You are free to respond to me there. This is the last time I will mention it to you here.
Now the question to you regarding HLA/RC still remains. How long did you work at HLA?
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You asked the question here, now answer the question. The day? Don't ever threaten me again.
I'll threaten you with consequences for rule violations all I like. There is literally nothing you can do about it. I've reported you to Psy for attempting to derail the conversation.
Your question has already been answered in the OFFA thread. Several hours ago. If you're not quite smart enough to figure out where to find something in a thread you started, just ask for help son. You are free to respond to me there. This is the last time I will mention it to you here.
Now the question to you regarding HLA/RC still remains. How long did you work at HLA?
If you don't stop asking me questions concerning employment which has nothing to do with this thread your ass will be banned, believe me. Now answer my question. Here. What day?
:waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: I told Psy.
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If you don't stop asking me questions concerning employment which has nothing to do with this thread your ass will be banned, believe me. Now answer my question. Here. What day?
I told Psy.
Asking you a question about your employment at HLA has nothing to do with a thread discussing safety at HLA/RC? Wow you're stupid. I ask because you repeatedly seek to establish that you had/have some sort of insider status at HLA, so I only assumed you must have worked there. You're too old to have been there as a student, and I seriously doubt any woman has ever had consensual sex with you that you didn't first pay for, therefore you probably don't have any children. That being the case the only option left is for you to have once been an employee there. I'm simply curious as to when to see if our respective time there overlapped. If you never worked there then I have no idea why you continue to try and claim insider information that you simply have no way of having.
DJ, Jill, and myself all have a connection HLA. Even Whooter John will once he starts being honest. We're all in a place where we are able to share our perspective of time spent/dealing with HLA. You so far have no such connection and are not in a place where you can comment on anything connected to it.
Perhaps you should move on son.
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I don't care where you post it. Just post the day and tell me where to find it.
Are you just lazy or stupid as well? It's been there since yesterday.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31304&start=60
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And the beat goes on at RCS...
Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this visit on September 1, 2010 was to investigate 86273. A subsequent visit was
conducted on September 9, 2010.
R 0801 290-2-5-.08(2) Administration and Organization.
SS=D
Program Description and Implementation. In accordance with these rules and regulations, a licensed child caring
institution shall develop, implement and comply with written policies and procedures that describe the range of
services including room, board
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Bases on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to develop and comply with policies
and procedures as to how services will be provided by the facility;
Findings Include:
(1) Record review on September 1, 2010 of the agency's Medication Administration Policy
indicated that when dispensing medication, the staff member will follow standard protocol in the
distribution of medication:
{ asking the child his/her name
{ the medication box
{ MAR (medication administration record) to identify the prescribed medication and student
photo to make sure the correct student is receiving the correct medication
{ will ask the student to identify the medication she/he is seeking
{ will be placed in a cup and staff will check the child ' s mouth to verify that the medication is
swallowed
{ will sign a signature sheet to record the administration of the medication, and
{ will sign the MAR.
In addition in case of medication errors and/or the administration of the wrong medication or
wrong dosage ingested the Department (Office of Residential Child Care) will be notified.
(2 ) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 08-27-10 for Resident #15
revealed that on 08-27-10, Staff C inadvertently administered the medications of another child to
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9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
Resident #15. In addition review of Incident Report dated 06-05-10 for Resident #5 revealed
Resident #5 was inadvertently given the wrong medication after a group of residents crowded the
dispensary area and staff failed to properly follow medication administration procedure. The
incidents were never reported to the Office of Residential Child Care.
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 3:03 PM with Staff DD, Staff DD
acknowledged that the resident's parents are notified regarding incidents involving the child.
Staff DD further indicated that the agency take medication errors very seriously and
acknowledged that it is considered a serious incident. Staff DD acknowledged that the incidents
were not reported within the 24 hour time frame as required by the Department. Staff DD further
indicated that the agency was unclear if several of the incidents in question were reportable
incident.
R 0833 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)4. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=B
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
4. Documentation of at least two professional, educational, or personal references that attest to the person's
capabilities of performing the duties for which they are employed and to t
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on a review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document at least
two professional, educational, or personal references that attest to the person's capabilities of
performing the duties for which they are employed and to the person's suitability of working with
or around children in four of ten files reviewed;
Findings Include:
(1) Record review on September 9, 2010 of Staff C, E, and F's file revealed that agency failed to
maintain documentation of at least two references. In addition, review of Staff H's file revealed
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and Plan of Correction
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9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
the agency documented only one reference.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:15 pm with Staff EE, Staff EE indicated
that she/he is responsible for completing and maintaining employee personnel files. Staff EE
monitors the files for compliance when time permits to ensure that files are updated; however
Staff EE indicated that she/he was not fully aware of all requirements in maintaining personnel
files other than what is indicated by the agency wide checklist of the required documents needed
in the personnel files.
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:35 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD indicated
that agency protocol is that staff members are required to provide references within 90 days of
employment.
This tag was previously cited on 12-03-08.
R 0834 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)5. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=D
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
5. Satisfactory preliminary criminal history background check determination and a satisfactory fingerprint records
check determination as required by law for the director and foster par
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on a review of resident files and e-mail correspondence with staff, the facility failed to
document a satisfactory preliminary criminal history background check on adults aged eighteen
or older who reside at the home;
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9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
Findings Include:
(1) Review of the record of eighteen year-old Resident #1 on September 9, 2010 revealed that the
agency failed to obtain a criminal background check.
(2) E-mail correspondence with Staff DD on 09/16/2010 at 8:32 am revealed that there were 23
other residents who lived or had lived at the facility since January 1, 2010. Staff DD
acknowledged that criminal background checks had not been obtained on any of these residents.
R 0838 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)9. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=D
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
9. Documentation of orientation and training, including dates of all such training, as required by Rule .08(6)(d) of
these rules; ...
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document orientation
and training in eight of ten files reviewed;
Findings Include:
(1) Record review on September 9, 2010 of Staff A, B, C, D, E, F, H, and J's file revealed that there
was no documentation to support that orientation and training had been provided to each staff
member.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:15 pm with Staff EE, Staff EE indicated
that she/he is responsible for completing and maintaining employee personnel files. Staff EE
monitors the files for compliance when time permits to ensure that files are updated; however
Staff EE indicated that she/he was not fully aware of all requirements in maintaining personnel
files other than what is indicated by the agency wide checklist of the required documents needed
in the personnel files.
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9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:35 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD indicated
that initial orientation and training is provided by him/herself regarding the policies and
procedures related to the organization and job however the department heads provided training
specific to the role of the particular staff member. Staff DD indicated that all staff received
orientation and training however the agency was unable to provide documentation of the staff
members' receipt of the training.
R 0840 290-2-5-.08(6) Staffing.
SS=E
Staffing. The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to
provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to
ensure that assigne
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
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and Plan of Correction
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9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
an unwelcome encounter. Furthermore, it was documented that Resident #11 initially lied about
the incident because she/he did not want the peer to get in trouble. In addition, review of Incident
Report dated 04-25-10 for Resident #11 revealed that Resident #11 was found around 8:15 am
asleep in the bed with Resident #15. Furthermore, review of Incident Report dated 05-08-10 for
Resident #15 revealed that a room search was conducted in which several notes were found
referencing several sexual encounters with male students.
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 12:43 pm with Staff AA, Staff AA indicated
that to his/her knowledge there has been no current sexual activity reported and/or observed
amongst the students however Staff AA acknowledged that previously there was an issue in
which Resident #11 made allegations against a male student. After a week of the incident
Resident #11. Resident #11 child reported the story in which the story changed when she spoke
with another counselor and her mother. In regards to the incidents with Resident #15 it was
found that Resident #15 had engaged in sexual acting out on 3 separate occasions in some sort
of consensual encounter with another male student in which Resident #15 reported that she/he
engaged in sexual inappropriate activities with the male peer in which the incident incident
occurred in the music room at student activity center and the other two incidents occurred in the
movie room in student activity center and the bathroom in academic building. The agency
conducted an investigation which revealed that the incidents occurred and all parents of the
residents were notified.
(4) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 5:00 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD indicated
that the clinical director followed up with the counselor regarding the allegations in which
Resident #11 re-canted the allegation. As a result of the incident she/he re-wrote the abuse
reporting policy and procedure effective April 2010 which addressed the reporting of allegations
as a means to address reporting of incidents and it addressed specific procedures in which the
counselors to follow in reporting of incidents.
This rule was previously cited on 07-21-10.
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9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
R 0852 290-2-5-.08(6)(d)1. Staffing.
SS=E
[Staff] orientation shall include instruction in:
(i) The institution's purpose and description of services and its policies and procedures;
(ii) The employee's assigned duties and responsibilities;
(iii) Grievance policies and procedures;
(iv) Child
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document all required
components of orientation training needed prior to the staff being able to work with the residents
in eight of ten files reviewed;
Findings Include:
(1) Record review on September 9, 2010 of Staff A, B, C, D, E, F, H, and J's file revealed that there
was no documentation to support that orientation and training had been provided to each staff
member.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:15 pm with Staff EE, Staff EE indicated
that she/he is responsible for completing and maintaining employee personnel files. Staff EE
monitors the files for compliance when time permits to ensure that files are updated; however
Staff EE indicated that she/he was not fully aware of all requirements in maintaining personnel
files other than what is indicated by the agency wide checklist of the required documents needed
in the personnel files.
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:35 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD indicated
that initial orientation and training is provided by him/herself regarding the policies and
procedures related to the organization and job however the department heads provided training
specific to the role of the particular staff member. Staff DD indicated that all staff received
orientation and training however the agency was unable to provide documentation of the staff
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and Plan of Correction
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Inspection end date:
9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
members' receipt of the training.
This tag was previously cited on 12-03-08.
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
SS=D
Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to submit a detailed written
summary report to the Department of Human Services, Office of Residential Child Care (ORCC)
via e-mail or fax on the required incident intake information form (IIIF) within 24 hours in ten of
thirty-five incidents reviewed;
Findings Include:
(1) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 08-04-10 for Resident #16
revealed that on 08-04-10, Resident #16 was taken to the emergency room for a nondisplaced
fracture of the Right 5th metacarpal head (right hand).
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 08-27-10 for Resident #15
revealed that on 08-27-10, Staff C inadvertently administered to Resident #15 the medication
Citolopram that was intended for another child.
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9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
(3) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter. Furthermore, it was documented that Resident #11 initially lied about
the incident because she/he did not want the peer to get in trouble.
(4) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 12-04-09 for Resident #17
revealed Resident #17 was involved in an altercation with a peer while staff was in process of
restraining another peer. It was documented that staff intervened after hearing Resident #17
screaming and proceeded to restrain the peer. Resident #17 ran out the dorm and the police was
notified of the elopement. Later Resident #17 was found by the pond in which she/he threatened
to throw his/herself in the pond in which Resident #17 eventually did and staff retrieved Resident
#17 out the water. The ambulance was called to assess Resident #17 for hypothermia. In addition,
review of Incident Report dated 05-08-10 for Resident #17 revealed that a room search was
conducted in which several notes were found referencing sexual contact with male peers at the
facility.
(5) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-05-10 for Resident #5
revealed Resident #5 was inadvertently given the wrong medication after a group of residents
crowded the dispensary area and staff failed to properly follow medication administration
procedure. In addition, review of Incident Report dated 05-13-10 for Resident #5 revealed
Resident #5 was treated and cleared by Lumpkin Co Paramedics for seizure disorder in which
resident lost consciousness for about 4 minutes.
(6) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 07-20-10 for Resident #2
revealed that a missing person was filed with Lumpkin Co Police for Resident #2 after a room
check was conducted around 9:20 pm in which Resident #2 was observed missing from the
facility. In addition, review of Incident Report dated 07-15-10 revealed Resident #2 gave his/her
psychotropic medication, Seroquel, to another peer. Furthermore, review of Incident Report
dated 07-02-10 revealed Resident #2 tested positive for THC which she/he brought on campus on
06-30-10.
(7) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 05-13-10 for Resident #3
revealed Resident #3 was transported to the hospital for possible concussion after Resident #3
reported hitting his/her head on a rock resulting in nausea and dizziness. All of the incidents
documented were not reported to the Department (ORCC) as of September 1, 2010.
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(8) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 3:03 PM with Staff DD, Staff DD
acknowledged that the resident's parents are notified regarding incidents involving the child.
Staff DD further indicated that the agency take medication errors very seriously and
acknowledged that it is considered a serious incident. Staff DD acknowledged that the incidents
were not reported within the 24 hour time frame as required by the Department. Staff DD further
indicated that the agency was unclear if several of the incidents in question were reportable
incident.
R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
SS=D
This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;
(
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to report incidents regarding
serious occurrences involving children in care in ten of thirty-five incidents reviewed;
Findings Include:
(1) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 08-04-10 for Resident #16
revealed that on 08-04-10, Resident #16 was taken to the emergency room for a nondisplaced
fracture of the Right 5th metacarpal head (right hand).
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 08-27-10 for Resident #15
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revealed that on 08-27-10, Staff C inadvertently administered to Resident #15 the medication
Citolopram that was intended for another child.
(3) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter. Furthermore, it was documented that Resident #11 initially lied about
the incident because she/he did not want the peer to get in trouble.
(4) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 12-04-09 for Resident #17
revealed Resident #17 was involved in an altercation with a peer while staff was in process of
restraining another peer. It was documented that staff intervened after hearing Resident #17
screaming and proceeded to restrain the peer. Resident #17 ran out the dorm and the police was
notified of the elopement. Later Resident #17 was found by the pond in which she/he threatened
to throw his/herself in the pond in which Resident #17 eventually did and staff retrieved Resident
#17 out the water. The ambulance was called to assess Resident #17 for hypothermia. In addition,
review of Incident Report dated 05-08-10 for Resident #17 revealed that a room search was
conducted in which several notes were found referencing sexual contact with male peers at the
facility.
(5) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-05-10 for Resident #5
revealed Resident #5 was inadvertently given the wrong medication after a group of residents
crowded the dispensary area and staff failed to properly follow medication administration
procedure. In addition, review of Incident Report dated 05-13-10 for Resident #5 revealed
Resident #5 was treated and cleared by Lumpkin Co Paramedics for seizure disorder in which
resident lost consciousness for about 4 minutes.
(6) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 07-20-10 for Resident #2
revealed that a missing person was filed with Lumpkin Co Police for Resident #2 after a room
check was conducted around 9:20 pm in which Resident #2 was observed missing from the
facility. In addition, review of Incident Report dated 07-15-10 revealed Resident #2 gave his/her
psychotropic medication, Seroquel, to another peer. Furthermore, review of Incident Report
dated 07-02-10 revealed Resident #2 tested positive for THC which she/he brought on campus on
06-30-10.
(7) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 05-13-10 for Resident #3
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revealed Resident #3 was transported to the hospital for possible concussion after Resident #3
reported hitting his/her head on a rock resulting in nausea and dizziness. All of the incidents
documented were not reported to the Department (ORCC) as of September 1, 2010.
(8) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 3:03 PM with Staff DD, Staff DD
acknowledged that the resident's parents are notified regarding incidents involving the child.
Staff DD further indicated that the agency take medication errors very seriously and
acknowledged that it is considered a serious incident. Staff DD acknowledged that the incidents
were not reported within the 24 hour time frame as required by the Department. Staff DD further
indicated that the agency was unclear if several of the incidents in question were reportable
incident.
R 1003 290-2-5-.10(b) Assessment and Planning.
SS=C
A service and room, board and watchful oversight plan shall be developed by the child's Human Services
Professional in concert with the child's primary Child Care Worker, meaning the worker who has responsibility for
supervision of the child in the living
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to develop a complete
service and room, board and watchful oversight (SRBWO) plan in four of five files reviewed;
Findings Include:
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DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
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As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
(1) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Resident #2's SRBWO or Individual Service Plan (ISP)
(dated 08/10), Resident #4's SRBWO/ISP (dated 05/10), Resident #11's SRBWO/ISP (04/10), and
Resident #15's SRBWO/ISP (dated 01/10) revealed that agency failed to address
objectives/activities utilized by staff to assist the residents in attaining their stated goals,
preliminary plans of discharge, and any special care and/or services in the Individual Service
Plans for the residents. .
(2) According to e-mail correspondence dated September 23, 2010 from Staff DD, Staff DD
indicated that the agency ensures that the Individual Service Plans maintain the required
components for an SRBWO as indicated by the Departments rules and regulations.
This rule was previously cited on 07-21-10, 12-10-09 and 12-03-08.
R 1209 290-2-5-.12(3)(a)1.(i) Health Services.
SS=C
Such [general physical] examination shall be done by a medical doctor, physician's assistant, or public health
department and shall include basic diagnostic laboratory work, including but not limited to a Complete Blood Count
(CBC) and basic urinanalysis;
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to document a Complete
Blood Count (CBC) in five of fourteen files reviewed. In addition, the agency failed to document
that a basic urinanalysis (UA) was included in the physical examination in twelve of fourteen files
reviewed;
Findings Include:
(1) On September 1, 2010, a review of the records for Resident #1 admitted 01/2010, Resident #2
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admitted 06/2010, Resident #3 admitted 03/2010, Resident #8 admitted 09/2009, Resident #9
admitted 03/2010, Resident #11 admitted 04/2010, Resident #12 admitted 04/2010, and Resident
#13 admitted 01/2010, revealed that there was no documentation of a complete blood count
within one year previous to or 72 hours after admission to the facility.
(2) On September 1, 2010, a review of the records for Resident #1 admitted 01/2010, Resident #2
admitted 06/2010, Resident #3 admitted 03/2010, Resident #4 admitted 05/2010, Resident #5
admitted 02/2010, Resident #6 admitted 08/2010, Resident #7 admitted 03/2010, Resident #8
admitted 08/2010, Resident #9 admitted 04/2010, Resident #11 admitted 04/2010, Resident #12
admitted 04/2010, and Resident #14 admitted 01/2010 revealed that there was no documentation
of a urinalysis within one year previous to or 72 hours after admission to the facility.
(2) In an e-mail sent Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:25 PM, Staff DD was given the opportunity
to respond to this finding. In response Staff DD sent an e-mail on October 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM in
which Staff DD did not dispute the findings in this correspondence. However, Staff DD provided
further documentation of physical examinations provided for students after September 1, 2010.
This rule was previously cited on 12-10-09 and 12-03-08.
R 1211 290-2-5-.12(3)(a)2. Health Services.
SS=B
A general dental examination of the child shall be provided for unless such an examination has been completed
within six months prior to admission. Such examinations shall be done by either a dentist or a dental hygienist that
is employed by the departmen
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This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the facility failed to document a dental exam
dated less than six months prior to admission or within thirty days after admission in four of
fourteen files reviewed;
Findings include:
On September 1, 2010, a review of the files for Resident #8 admitted 08/2010, Resident #10
admitted 07/2010, Resident #11 admitted 04/2010, Resident #12 admitted 04/2010, and Child #14
admitted 01/2010 revealed that there was no evidence of a dental examination within six months
prior to or thirty days after admission to the facility.
In an email sent Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:25 PM, Staff A was given the opportunity to
respond to this finding. In response Staff A sent an email on October 1, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Staff A
did not dispute the findings in this correspondence. However, Staff A provided further
documentation of physical examinations provided to students after September 1, 2010.
This rule was previously cited on 12/10/2009
R 1217 290-2-5-.12(3)(d)2.i. Health Services.
SS=D
[Medication use and management] policies and procedures shall include the following: ...
2.(i) Prescription medications shall only be given to a child as ordered in the child's prescription. An institution shall
not permit such medications prescribed for
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interviews, the agency failed to ensure that prescribed
medications for one child shall not be given to another child.
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DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
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Findings Include:
(1) Record review on September 1, 2010 agency Medication Administration Policy indicated that
when dispensing medication, the staff member will follow standard protocol in the distribution of
medication which includes asking the child his/her name, retrieve the med box, check MAR
(medication administration record) to identify the prescribed medication and student photo to
make sure the correct student is receiving the correct medication, the employee will ask the
student to identify the medication she/he is seeking, med will be placed in a cup and staff will
check the child ' s mouth to verify that the medication is swallowed, child will sign a sign sheet
to record the administration of the medication, and staff will sign the MAR. In addition in case of
medication errors and/or the administration of the wrong medication or wrong dosage ingested
the Department (Office of Residential Child Care) will be notified.
(2) On September 1, 2010, a review of the agency's incident report dated August 27, 2010 revealed
that Staff C inadvertently administered to Child #15 the medication Citolopram that was intended
for administration to another child. Citolopram was not prescribed for Child #15 by an authorized
by a health care professional.
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 12:00 PM with Staff BB, Staff BB
acknowleged findings.
R 1219 290-2-5-.12(3)(d)3. Health Services.
SS=D
[Medication use and management] policies and procedures shall include the following: ...
3. Psychotropic medications. No child shall be given psychotropic medications unless use is in accordance with
the goals and objectives of the child's service plan. .
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This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and interviews with staff, the facility failed to administer residents'
psychotropic medications in accordance with the goals and objectives of the child's service plan
in one of one incidents reviewed.
Findings:
(1) On September 1, 2010, a review of the agency's incident report dated August 27, 2010 revealed
that Staff C inadvertently administered to Child #15 the medication Citolopram that was intended
for administration to another child. A review of Resident #15's Individual Service Plan dated
August 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM revealed Resident #15's current medication was: Wellbutrin 150mg.
No other medications were listed on the individual service plan. The medication inadvertently
administered to Resident #15, Citolopram, is used to treat depression.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 12:00 PM with Staff BB, Staff BB
acknowleged findings.
When citing this tag one of the findings must include the RBWO plan and how it was
incorporated in the plan
R 1220 290-2-5-.12(3)(d)3.i. Health Services.
SS=D
[Medication use and management] policies and procedures shall include the following: ...
3.(i) Psychotropic medications must be prescribed by a physician who has responsibility for the diagnosis and
treatment of the child's conditions that necessitate suc
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and interviews with staff the facility failed to ensure that psychotropic
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medications must be prescribed by a physician who has responsibility for the diagnosis and
treatment of the child's conditions that necessitate such medication in one of one incidents
reviewed.
Findings:
(1) On September 1, 2010, a review of the agency's incident report dated August 27, 2010 revealed
that Staff C inadvertently administered to Child #15 the medication Citolopram that was intended
for administration to another child. The medication inadvertently administered to Child #15,
Citolopram, is used to treat depression.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 12:00 PM with Staff BB, Staff BB
acknowleged findings.
R 1221 290-2-5-.12(3)(d)3.ii. Health Services.
SS=D
[Medication use and management] policies and procedures shall include the following: ...
(ii) Psychotropic medication shall only be given to a child as ordered in the child's prescription. An institution shall
not permit such medications prescribed for on
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review, review of agency medication policy and staff interviews, the agency
failed to ensure medication was given to a child as ordered by the physician in one of one file
reviewed;
Findings:
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830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
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As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
(1) Record review on September 1, 2010 agency Medication Administration Policy indicated that
when dispensing medication, the staff member will follow standard protocol in the distribution of
medication which includes asking the child his/her name, retrieve the med box, check MAR
(medication administration record) to identify the prescribed medication and student photo to
make sure the correct student is receiving the correct medication, the employee will ask the
student to identify the medication she/he is seeking, med will be placed in a cup and staff will
check the child ' s mouth to verify that the medication is swallowed, child will sign a sign sheet
to record the administration of the medication, and staff will sign the MAR. In addition in case of
medication errors and/or the administration of the wrong medication or wrong dosage ingested
the Department (Office of Residential Child Care) will be notified.
(2) On September 1, 2010, a review of the agency's incident report dated August 27, 2010
revealed that Staff C inadvertently administered to Child #15 the medication Citolopram that was
intended for administration to another child.
(3) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 12:00 PM with Staff BB, Staff BB
acknowleged findings.
R 1222 290-2-5-.12(3)(d)3.iii. Health Services.
SS=D
[Medication use and management] policies and procedures shall include the following:
(iii) The prescribing physician shall be notified in cases of dosage errors, drug reactions, or if the psychotropic
medication does not appear to be effective. ...
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review and interviews with staff, the facility failed to notifying a child's
attending physician in cases of dosage errors, drug reactions, or if the prescription medication
does not appear to be effective to in 255 of 255 incidents reviewed
Findings:
(1) On September 1, 2010, a review of the agency's incident report dated August 27, 2010
revealed that Staff C inadvertently administered the Zyprexa, Benadryl, and of another child to
Child #15. The incident report reveals that Staff C notified Poison Control and the facility
"nurse." However, there is no documentation stating that the child's physician was notified. In
addition, on September 9, 2010 a review of Med Refusal Forms0 completed 1/12/10 through
8/28/10 revealed that there were more than 254 incidents of medication refusal. Furthermore,
there was no documentation stating that the resident's physician was notified of any of the
incidents.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at approximately 3:00 pm with Staff BB, Staff BB
stated that the resident's physicians were notified of these incidents. However, no evidence of
physician notification was produced. Staff BB stated that the notifications were made by
telephone and that there was "no way to document a phone call."
R 1416 290-2-5-.14(2)(a) Emergency Safety Interventions.
SS=D
Emergency Safety Interventions. Emergency safety interventions may be used only by staff trained in the proper
use of such interventions when a child exhibits a dangerous behavior reasonably expected to lead to immediate
physical harm to the child or othe
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure when an
emergency safety intervention (ESI) is utilized, staff is trained in the proper use of such
interventions in one of one file reviewed;
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As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
Findings include:
(1) Record review on September 9, 2010 of the agency's ESI log for the first quarter revealed that
Staff F was involved in the following ESI techniques: two person escort (03-06-10), one person
escort and a seated restraint (03-14-10).
(2) Record review on September 9, 2010 of the agency's ESI log for the second quarter revealed
Staff F was involved in the following ESI techniques: seated restraint (04-16-10), one person
escort (05-30-10), seated restraint (06-02-10), and one person escort (06-10-10). In addition record
review revealed that Staff G was involved in the following ESI techniques for the second quarter:
one person escort (04-11-10) and a
(3) Record review on September 9, 2010 of the agency's ESI log for the third quarter revealed
Staff F was involved in the following ESI techniques: seated restraint (07-23-10) while Staff G was
involved in a standing hold (07-26-10).
(4) Record review on September 9, 2010 of Staff F and G's file revealed that both staff received
training in Therapeutic aggression control techniques-2 (verbal certification only) from 04-28-10
to 04-30-10.
(5) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:35 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD indicated
that staff who receive Full certification of therapeutic aggression control techniques receive 2
days verbal and 1 day physical training in ESI techniques. Most staff who has received verbal
certification only may have an injury that would have prohibited the individual from engaging in
full certification in ESI techniques which involves the use of physical techniques.
R 1455 290-2-5-.14(2)(k) Emergency Safety Interventions.
SS=D
Institutions shall submit to the Department electronically or by facsimile a report, in a format acceptable to the
Department, within 24 hours whenever an unusual incident occurs regarding emergency safety interventions,
including:
1. Any injury requiri
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As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to submit to the Department within
24 hours in which three or more instances of emergency safety interventions of a specific child
occurred and/or whenever the institution has had a total of 10 emergency safety interventions
(ESIs) for all children in care within the 30-day period;
Findings include:
(1) Record review on September 9, 2010 of the agency's ESI log for the first quarter of 2010
revealed that the agency initiated 11 ESI containments in which 6 containments were assisted
relocation/escorts and 5 involved hands on restraints. Further review revealed that Resident #18
had three or more instances of ESIs (01-08-10, 01-13-10, 01-25-10, and 01-27-10) within a 30 day
period. Furthermore a review of the ESI log for the second quarter of 2010 revealed that the
agency initiated 14 ESI containments in which 9 containments were assisted relocation/escorts
and 5 involved hands on restraints. The Department has not received any reports from the
agency for the month of January-March 2010 and April-June 2010 regarding emergency safety
interventions.
(2) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 2:35 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD
acknowledged findings.
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R 9999 Closing Comments.
A brief exit conference was conducted on September 9, 2010. The investigation was completed
on September 23, 2010. There were several citations related to the allegations. A preliminary
report was e-mailed to the agency on September 24, 2010. Although a formal written plan of
correction is not due to the surveyor until 10 days after receipt of the final Statement of
Deficiencies, all citations are expected to immediately be brought into compliance with the Rules
and Regulations.
The investigation was completed on October 1, 2010. The Final Statement of Deficiency was
e-mailed to the agency on October 28, 2010. A plan of correction is due to the surveyor November
15, 2010. An office conference will be scheduled to address the agency's ongoing
noncompliance.
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Meet the New Program. Same as the Old Program.
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Students charged with assault, robbery of teacher
By Matt Aiken
Published:
Wednesday, December 1, 2010 9:29 AM EST
A pair of Ridge Creek Academy students will face charges of aggravated assault and armed robbery after they allegedly attacked a counselor, stole her car and fled from deputies in an early morning escape attempt from the Camp Wahsega Road therapeutic boarding school last week.
Officials from the Lumpkin County Sheriff's Office said Sydney Vaughn and Lucrezia Albegiani, both 17 years old, developed a detailed plan to overpower their night-time counselor Debra Page and then flee to Atlanta early Friday morning.
“They were conspiring to leave campus and steal one of the staff member's vehicles after assaulting her,” said Investigator Ellis Childress. “They did so.”
It was a few hours after midnight when the two girls reportedly rose from bed and began to strike up a conversation with their counselor. When Page turned her back, Vaughn reportedly grabbed a nearby lamp and struck her on the head with it, said officials.
Albegiani then allegedly put her counselor in a choke hold.
Page, who was still conscious, reportedly told the students to take what they wanted from her.
“They took her keys, her radio and her purse and left,” Childress said.
The pair then reportedly jumped into Page's Toyota 4-Runner and drove away with Vaughn at the wheel.
Page then alerted a nighttime counselor at the boys' dorm who called 911 and reported the incident as a runaway juvenile and stolen vehicle.
By the time the suspects had traveled the eight miles to the Highway 19 Bypass two LCSO patrol cars were turning onto Camp Wahsega Road.
When the deputies signaled from them to pull over Vaughn reportedly sped up to about 70 miles per hour, ran right through the intersection and drove the vehicle into the side of Dahlonega Automotive.
“They hit a propane tank damaging the tank and the well cap,” Childress said.
The volatile liquid leaked into the parking lot but did not ignite. The students were then taken to Chestatee Regional Hospital for precautionary purposes.
Since the incident was not reported as an attack it was only after talking to the suspects that investigators discovered what had taken place at the boarding school, said Childress.
“They said they weren't going to kill her. They were just going to hurt her real bad and they were going to take her car and go down to Atlanta,” he said.
Instead Vaughn and Albegiani were taken to Lumpkin County Detention Center.
Albegiani, of Lemont, Ill., has since been charged with aggravated assault, armed robbery, second degree criminal damage to property and conspiracy to commit aggravated assault and armed robbery.
Vaughn, of State College, Pa., faces the same charges as well as a slew of traffic related offenses.
On Monday, Sheriff Stacy Jarrard said the LCSO is occasionally called to the boarding school, formerly known as Hidden Lake Academy, to assist with runaway juveniles but the incidents usually aren't of this level of violence.
“I don't know of anything since I've been sheriff that has been this bad,” he said. “ ... I'm just glad the the officers that were responding made contact with the victim's vehicle and got them stopped, not only for the welfare of the victim but also for the welfare of the two girls.”
Ridge Creek Academy founder Len Buccellato said he had no comment on the incident.
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Buch has no comment? That's because he's pissed off the story already got out. Can't have people finding out what really goes on over there can you Buchi?
Since the incident was not reported as an attack it was only after talking to the suspects that investigators discovered what had taken place at the boarding school, said Childress.
Of course not. Criminal acts are never reported in an effort to hide the truth.
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Amen, RB!!!!
He's probably trying to figure out how to put a positive spin on this story. :roflmao:
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RIDGE CREEK, INC.
Residential Treatment Emotionally Disturbed Children
Dahlonega, Georgia
Provider NPI: 1831364835
Organization Information:
Organization Name: RIDGE CREEK, INC.
Organization is not Subpart
Authorized Official: LEN BUCCELLATO PRESIDENT 706-8644730
Practice Location:
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD DAHLONEGA, GA 30533 US
Tel: 706-864-4730 Fax: --
Business Mailing Address:
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD DAHLONEGA, GA 30533 US
Tel: 706-864-4730 Fax: --
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I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day. The Solo was a 24 hour period where students slept in individual tents, closely monitored by staff. Students could not talk to other students but could talk to staff any time they wanted...this was about self-control, learning to delay gratification and having time to reflect about what behaviors they did that got them sent to intervention. Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors. Each day students engaged in therapeutic groups, community projects and worked on academics and therapeutic assignments and learned how to hold each other accountable. As you can tell i am a big believer in the power of outdoor therapeutic programs! Many students returning from those interventions made huge progress behaviorally even after only 7 days and many of them have continued on that path of sucess. Also know that the interventions occured during warm months.
Though many a shadey thing has happened on that campus the staff members who work directly with the students are good people who during my time there made the best effort they could to support students given their limited training and supports. The biggest limitations to the program are the decision makers and higher-ups in Administration.
:soapbox:
ok...I will get off my soap box now!
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I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day. The Solo was a 24 hour period where students slept in individual tents, closely monitored by staff. Students could not talk to other students but could talk to staff any time they wanted...this was about self-control, learning to delay gratification and having time to reflect about what behaviors they did that got them sent to intervention. Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors. Each day students engaged in therapeutic groups, community projects and worked on academics and therapeutic assignments and learned how to hold each other accountable. As you can tell i am a big believer in the power of outdoor therapeutic programs! Many students returning from those interventions made huge progress behaviorally even after only 7 days and many of them have continued on that path of sucess. Also know that the interventions occured during warm months.
Though many a shadey thing has happened on that campus the staff members who work directly with the students are good people who during my time there made the best effort they could to support students given their limited training and supports. The biggest limitations to the program are the decision makers and higher-ups in Administration.
:soapbox:
ok...I will get off my soap box now!
Very informative,RCS Workhorse, thank you for sharing. were you assigned to just the wilderness piece of the program? Did RCS provide you training? Were people trained in "first response" or any medical training? What were some of the shady things that occurred on campus that you knew about?
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Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold.
Many of the negative comments here are from students who did not apply themselves to the program and therefore did not benefit from it. There is a staff member who worked at HLA and was subsequently fired because he lied about having a felony record. This guy posts here but his storys of HLA do not carry much credibility because of his agenda. It is good to get some first hand information about RCS.
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Many of the negative comments here are from students who did not apply themselves to the program and therefore did not benefit from it.
And you know this ... how? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Whooter, but this is not the same thing as actual facts.
There is a staff member who worked at HLA and was subsequently fired because he lied about having a felony record.
And you know this ... how? From what I've read, there were also other staff members who had felonies on their records. From the sound of it, Buccellato appears to have been quite aware of these priors and didn't/doesn't seem to have a problem with them. I s'pose a lot could depend on what the felony conviction was for, and when and how it was committed, eh?
How do you know that this former staff member lied? And how do you know that he was fired? This sounds like more opinion on your part, Whooter!
This guy posts here but his storys of HLA do not carry much credibility because of his agenda.
Really? His stories of HLA actually carry quite a lot of credibility here, but that's just my opinion. It's YOUR stories that appear to lack credibility, Whooter. Mostly because so many of your "facts" seem to contradict one another, but also because you seem to have an overriding agenda of your own. Of course, that's just my opinion, but at least I call it for what it is! :D
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And you know this ... how? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Whooter, but this is not the same thing as actual facts.
I have been following the HLS/RCS threads for many years, Ursus. How do you know that most of the posters here on fornits are anti-program?
And you know this ... how? From what I've read, there were also other staff members who had felonies on their records. From the sound of it, Buccellato appears to have been quite aware of these priors and didn't/doesn't seem to have a problem with them. I s'pose a lot could depend on what the felony conviction was for, and when and how it was committed, eh?
I have not read about the other felonies myself and I have been reading this thread for years now. I am only aware of the one here who speaks negative towards HLA and RCS.
How do you know that this former staff member lied? And how do you know that he was fired? This sounds like more opinion on your part, Whooter!
I have seen many inconsistencies in his stories and statements made. He has also made statements as fact about RCS when he was fired years before that school was opened. If you compare what RCSworkhorse describes (and he wasnt pleased with RCS) to what Troll Control describes it is not hard to see who is not credible. RCSworkhorse is able to see the good and the bad within the same program and speak honestly about it even with a known bias. We have never seen this from regulars here on fornits. This gets back to another thread about honesty that we discussed earlier.
Really? His stories of HLA actually carry quite a lot of credibility here, but that's just my opinion. It's YOUR stories that appear to lack credibility, Whooter. Mostly because so many of your "facts" seem to contradict one another, but also because you seem to have an overriding agenda of your own. Of course, that's just my opinion, but at least I call it for what it is! :D
I understand this is your opinion, Ursus. But we have to keep in mind that you are radically anti-program. I on the other hand am a moderate and able to see both sides of the issues fairly. I understand that there are programs which are abusive and those that are not. Many on fornits cannot see this and therefore hold a heavily biased and uniformed opinion of the industry. Do you see what I mean? So of course they would view my information as not credible because it does not fit with their (your) agenda.
If you speak to people randomly on fornits they will tell you that they dont know anyone who has benefited from a program and therefore could not possibly speak to the positive side of the industry, most have only been exposed to negative information and experiences.
I dont get frustrated or get upset with negative reports or positive reports, I accept all information equally. But the anti-program group like yourself cannot make that statement. Many of you close the door on information you dont want to hear or try to discredit the information or the person posting it. You have been here long enough to witness this, Ursus.
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Ursus, you can't believe your lying eyes! You should believe Whooter! :rofl:
Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
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and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
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1/26/2010
3/30/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
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R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this visit was to conduct an investigation into Ga., 77483.
R 0709 290-2-5-.07(d) Inspections and Investigations.
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Failure to Allow Access. Failure to allow access of the department's representative to the institution, its staff, or
the children receiving care at the institution or the books, records, papers, or other information related to initial or
continued licens
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on a requested record review and staff interview the agency failed to allow acces to the
institution's resident case records.
Findings include:
Upon a request by the surveyor to review the facility's residential case records on 1/26/2010 at
11:00 am, the surveyor was told by Staff A that the requested records were not accessible at the
time of the inspection due to the agency having technical difficulties with their electronic filing
system.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:00 pm with Staff A revealed that their system " Best Note"
is down and that all information is stored there.
R 0840 290-2-5-.08(6) Staffing.
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Staffing. The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to
provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to
ensure that assigne
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
****Based on file review and staff interview the agency failed to provide for the needs, care,
protection, and supervision of children.
Findings include:
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 11:30 am with Resident #1 revealed that ( he/she recalls the
incident in question and it began when- on the day of the incident (1/9/2010),) all of the students
were in the Student Activity Center (SAC). Resident #1 stated that he/she was approached by
Resident #2 who inquired if he/she made a derogatory statement, referencing two other students
that are known by all of the students to be "a couple" and whom Resident #1 had written a racial
slur on the wall approximately a week prior. Resident #1 stated that as the confrontation
continued, a group of other students became involved . ( and the argument began to become
threatening.- delete) Resident #1 stated that during the argument, Resident #4 approached
him/her from behind and "punched him/her in the back of the head twice". Resident #1 reported
that Resident #4 was then restrained by staff? and that Resident #2 responded by becoming
irate and blocked the exit doorway that staff members were attempting to exit thru with Resident
#4. Resident #1 stated that he/she could hear the remaining students "plotting on how to hit
him/her" and then Resident #2 began to approach him/her, but "was restrained on the ground by
Staff B". Resident #1 reported that Resident #2 accompanied by Resident #3 began to fight Staff
B, punching and kicking the staff member in the face and torso area while the remaining group
of students attempted to bombard him/her. Resident #1 stated that he/she ran out of the
building, slipped on the ice covering the walkway, and fell into some shrubbery. Resident #1
stated that he/she could hear the other resident attempting to follow after him/her; however,
Resident #7 "blocked the exit way and instructed him/her to run" . Resident #1 stated that
he/she and another student left the area; however, he/she was soon stopped by a group of
residents who continued to strike him/her. The other students held them off while he/she locked
him/herself in a car until staff members arrived. The police responded shortly afterwards.
(Resident #1 stated that upon returning to his/her room, it was discovered that someone had
broken his/her electric guitar which he/she estimated to be worth four thousand dollars.- Pam
questioned the relevance. I thought you were trying to show that the residents were obviously
unsupervised at that time as well to have been able to destroy property in a bedroom, but she felt
the connection needed to be made more clear. You can either leave as is, delet or add more)
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Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
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Resident #1 stated that he/she received an injury to the eye when hit by Resident #4 and
scrapes/scratches from falling into the shrubs. Resident #1 reported that he/she recalls four staff
members on duty; however; one had gone to get lunch. Resident #1 stated that staff members
did not intervene during the onset of the altercation and only responded once he/she had been
struck by Resident #4.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:00 pm with Resident #4 revealed that ( he/she recalls the
incident in question. Resident #4 stated that - delete ) on the day of the incident (1/9/2010),
Resident #1 was "being racist" and wrote derogatory statements using inappropriate language
in reference to ( African Americans- race ) . Resident #4 stated that while in the SAC, Resident #1
then verbalized derogatory statements using inappropriate language ( in reference to African
Americans- regarding race ) and that "a group of students got mad and beat Resident #1 up".
Resident #4 stated ("staff members- do we know which ones so that we can add their
non-identifiers? If not, leave as is) were attempting to contain the situation and deal with all of
the other students but that other students ultimately pulled ( him/her- use non identifier. unclear
if this is referring to staff or resident) away so that Resident #1 would not get beat up that bad".
Resident #4 stated that he/she recalls three to four staff members being present at the time of the
incident.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:30 pm with Resident #5 revealed that he/she recalls the
1/9/2010 incident ( in question- delete) and that "all of the trouble started a few weeks ago when
Resident #1 wrote "a racial slur" on the bathroom wall and staff members did not give Resident
#1 a consequence for the act. Resident # 5 stated that specifically, the incident in question
began when the students were made aware that Resident #1 had made a ( verbal- delete) racial
slur when Resident #1 and #2 began to argue. Resident #5 reported that a group of students
attempted to "fight" Resident #1 and were "able to get a few hits in when Resident #1 ran out of
the building". Resident # 5 stated that he/she and a group of other residents attempted to follow,
however were stopped by Resident #7, who ultimately "restrained and then drug him/her back
into the building. " Is this where the end of quote goes?
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 1:00 pm with Resident #6 revealed that (he/she recalls the
incident in question. Resident #6 stated that on the day of the incident (1/9/2010), ( he/she-
Resident #6?) became involved in a conflict with Resident #1 upon gaining knowledge that
Resident # 1 wrote a derogatory statement ( towards African Americans- regarding race) on the
wall. Resident #6 stated, during this occurrence, he/she confronted Resident #1 about the act
and Resident #1 assured him/her that "nothing like that would happen again". Resident #6
stated that on the day of the incident in question, which was approximately a week later,
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830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Result
Resident #1 verbalized a racial slur directed at two students of different races that are involved in
a relationship.
File review conducted on 3/30/2010 of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, revealed that
the incident occurred on 1/9/2010 at approximately 4:00 pm, when staff members heard an
argument going on in the movie room of the Student Activity Center (SAC). The report states that
Staff members B, C and D observed Resident #1 being confronted by Resident #2, #4, #5, and #6
in regards to "a racist comment that he/she made towards another student". The report states
that the students surrounded Resident #1 and that staff members "tried to defuse the situation"
when Resident #4 moved behind Resident
#1 and "began to repeatedly hit Resident #1 in the head". The report stated that Staff D placed
Resident #4 into a "double arm bar restraint" while Resident #1 was escorted by Staff members
B and C into the main room of the SAC. The report states that Staff C instructed Resident #1 to
leave and go to the dorm, but Resident #1 refused to comply. The report then states that
Resident #2 "jumped in front of" Resident #1 and stated that Resident #1 was not leaving.
Resident #2 then yelled to Resident #4, #5, and # 6 asking "do they have his/her back" and will
they participate in assaulting Resident #1. The report continues to describe various efforts
employed by Resident #2 to rally residents and instances in which the residents were
disobedient and disrespectful to staff members. Ultimately the report states that Staff B got
between Resident #1 and #2 and that Resident #2 "shoved Staff B and then slapped Resident
#1". The report states that Staff B then "escorted Resident #2 to the ground and that Staff C
grabbed his/her legs". The report states that while Staff B attempted "to get into the proper
seated double arm bar restraint, Resident #3 "ran up and repeatedly kicked Staff B in his/her face
causing his/her lips to split, nose to bleed, and bruising on the forehead". The report states that
"other students and Staff D pulled Resident #3 off of Staff B and that Staff C got up to help with
the restraint. The report then states that Resident #1 ran out of the front door of the SAC and that
Resident #4, #5, #6, and #8 followed after him/her. The report continues to state that Resident #2
attempted to follow and that ultimately Staff B "placed him/her in a standing double arm bar
restraint" when Resident #3 intervened and attempted to punch Staff B. The report states that
Staff B was able " to dodge the punch and that two other residents restrained Resident #3
"followed by Staff D". The report states that "outside of the dorm, Resident #1 was hit several
times in the face; his/her right eye was swollen the next day.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:05 pm., with Staff A revealed that staff to client ratio at the
time of the incident was 6 staff members to 40 students. Staff A stated that he/she believes that
the number of staff members was suitable; however, he/she believes that staff members reaction
to the incident was inappropriate- was it indicated how so? If not, leave as is.). Staff A stated
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that additionally there was "one clinical worker on call that lived on campus and that he/she and
another staff member arrived on campus" after being notified of the incident.
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
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Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview , the agency failed to submit a detailed written summary
report to the Department of Human Resources, Office of Regulatory Services, Residential Child
Care Unit within 24 hours.
Findings include:
File review conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:00 pm of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010,
revealed that the local county sheriff's office was contacted regarding this incident and as a
result Resident #2 and #3 were arrested and detained. The agency did not make a report of the
incident to the Department of Human Resources, Office of Regulatory Services, Residential Child
Care Unit within 24 hours of its occurrence.
Interview conducted on 1/26/010 at 5:15 pm with Staff A revealed that the agency was not aware
that a report was required to be made to the department in connection to police involvement with
residents and that he/she was under the impression that charges had to have been filed by the
agency.
R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
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830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
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Inspection Results
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This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;
(
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview, the agency failed to submit a detailed written summary
report regarding serious occurrences involving children in care.
Findings include:
File review conducted on 1/26/2010 at 12:00 pm of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010,
revealed that the local county sheriff's office was contacted regarding this incident and as a
result Resident #2 and #3 were arrested and detained. The agency did not submit a detailed
written summary report regarding serious occurrences involving children in care.
Interview conducted on 1/26/010 at 5:15 pm with Staff A revealed that the agency was not aware
that a report was required to be made to the department in connection to police involvement with
residents and that he/she was under the impression that charges had to have been filed by the
agency.
R 1413 290-2-5-.14(1)(d) Behavior Management.
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Residents shall not be permitted to participate in the behavior management of other residents or to discipline other
residents, except as part of an organized therapeutic self-governing program in accordance with accepted
standards of practice that is con
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview, residents were allowed to participate in the behavior
management of other residents.
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Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
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Inspection Results
Findings include:
File review conducted on 3/30/2010 of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, revealed that
the incident occurred on 1/9/2010 at approximately 4:00 pm, when staff members heard an
argument going on in the movie room of the Student Activity Center (SAC). The report states that
Staff members B, C and D observed Resident #1 being confronted by Resident #2, #4, #5, and #6
in regards to "a racist comment that he/she made towards another student". The report states
that the students surrounded Resident #1 and that staff members "tried to defuse the situation"
when Resident #4 moved behind Resident #1and "began to repeatedly hit Resident #1 in the
head". The report stated that Staff D placed Resident #4 into a "double arm bar restraint" while
Resident #1 was escorted by Staff members B and C into the main room of the SAC. The report
states that Staff C instructed Resident #1 to leave and go to the dorm, but Resident #1 refused to
comply. The report then states that Resident #2 "jumped in front of" Resident #1 and stated that
Resident #1 was not leaving. Resident #2 then yelled to Resident #4, #5, and # 6 asking "do
they have his/her back" and will they participate in assaulting Resident #1. The report
continues to describe various efforts employed by Resident #2 to rally residents and instances in
which the residents were disobedient and disrespectful to staff members. Ultimately the report
states that Staff B got between Resident #1 and #2 and that Resident #2 "shoved Staff B and
then slapped Resident #1". The report states that Staff B then "escorted Resident #2 to the
ground and that Staff C grabbed his/her legs". The report states that while Staff B attempted "to
get into the proper seated double arm bar restraint, Resident #3 "ran up and repeatedly kicked
Staff B in his/her face causing his/her lips to split, nose to bleed, and bruising on the forehead".
The report states that "other students and Staff D pulled Resident #3 off of Staff B and that Staff
C got up to help with the restraint. The report then states that Resident #1 ran out of the front
door of the SAC and that Resident #4, #5, #6, and #8 followed after him/her. The report continues
to state that Resident #2 attempted to follow and that ultimately Staff B "placed him/her in a
standing double arm bar restraint" when Resident #3 intervened and attempted to punch Staff B.
The report states that Staff B was able " to dodge the punch and that two other residents
restrained Resident #3 "followed by Staff D". The report states that "outside of the dorm,
Resident #1 was hit several times in the face; his/her right eye was swollen the next day.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:30 pm with Staff A revealed that he/she acknowledges that
"students were involved in the behavior managment of other students; however, maintains that
the agency does not allow students to participate in the behavioral management of other
students."
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R 1420 290-2-5-.14(2)(c)2. Emergency Safety Interventions.
SS=D
Emergency safety interventions policies and procedures shall include: ...
2. Provisions for the documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention including:
(i) Date and a description of the precipitating incident;
(ii) Description of the
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on file review and staff interview the agency failed to document provisions for the
documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention.
Findings include:
A file review conducted of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, indicated that emergency
safety interventions were carried out on several residents; however, there was no provision for
the documentation (on the provisions - delete) for each use.
File review conducted on 3/30/2010 of the agency's incident report, dated 1/9/2010, revealed that
the incident occurred on 1/9/2010 at approximately 4:00 pm, when staff members heard an
argument going on in the movie room of the Student Activity Center (SAC). The report states that
Staff members B, C and D observed Resident #1 being confronted by Resident #2, #4, #5, and #6
in regards to "a racist comment that he/she made towards another student". The report states
that the students surrounded Resident #1 and that staff members "tried to defuse the situation"
when Resident #4 moved behind Resident #1 and "began to repeatedly hit Resident #1 in the
head". The report stated that Staff D placed Resident #4 into a "double arm bar restraint" while
Resident #1 was escorted by Staff members B and C into the main room of the SAC. The report
states that Staff C instructed Resident #1 to leave and go to the dorm, but Resident #1 refused to
comply. The report then states that Resident #2 "jumped in front of" Resident #1 and stated that
Resident #1 was not leaving. Resident #2 then yelled to Resident #4, #5, and # 6 asking "do they
have his/her back" and will they participate in assaulting Resident #1. The report continues to
describe various efforts employed by Resident #2 to rally residents and instances in which the
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residents were disobedient and disrespectful to staff members. Ultimately the report states that
Staff B got between Resident #1 and #2 and that Resident #2 "shoved Staff B and then slapped
Resident #1". The report states that Staff B then "escorted Resident #2 to the ground and that
Staff C grabbed his/her legs". The report states that while Staff B attempted "to get into the
proper seated double arm bar restraint, Resident #3 "ran up and repeatedly kicked Staff B in
his/her face causing his/her lips to split, nose to bleed, and bruising on the forehead". The report
states that "other students and Staff D pulled Resident #3 off of Staff B and that Staff C got up to
help with the restraint. The report then states that Resident #1 ran out of the front door of the
SAC and that Resident #4, #5, #6, and #8 followed after him/her. The report continues to state
that Resident #2 attempted to follow and that ultimately Staff B "placed him/her in a standing
double arm bar restraint" when Resident #3 intervened and attempted to punch Staff B. The
report states that Staff B was able " to dodge the punch and that two other residents restrained
Resident #3 "followed by Staff D". The report states that "outside of the dorm, Resident #1 was
hit several times in the face; his/her right eye was swollen the next day.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:35 pm with Staff A revealed that he/she acknowledges that
there was no documentation of the identified emergency safety interventions described.
R 9999 Closing Comments.
This visit was concluded with an exit conference. A preliminary inspection report was submitted
to the agency on 4/12/2010. A plan of correction is due ten days after receipt of the survey.
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R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this survey is to conduct an investigation for self reported incident #GA00083346.
R 0840 290-2-5-.08(6) Staffing.
SS=G
Staffing. The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to
provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to
ensure that assigne
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
****Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to have sufficient numbers of
trained staff to provide for the protection of children in care.
Findings include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #1's incident report, dated 6/10/2010, revealed that at
9:15 pm, Staff A went into Resident #1's room to talk with him/her about some issues Resident #1
has been struggling with throughout the day. This report indicated that Resident #1 was sitting at
the computer with another resident and Staff A began questioning Resident #1. This report stated
that at this time Resident #1 picked up the computer and threw it against the wall. The report
indicated that Resident #1 then proceeded to pick up his/her chair and broke the glass window.
This report revealed that Staff A proceeded to direct Resident #1 outside to where he/she could
calm down and regain his/her thoughts. The report then stated that Resident #1 said he/she was
not going outside until he/she dealt with something first. The report went on to state that
Resident #1 got up and ran to a room where Resident #2 was located, which was down the hall in
this dorm. This report stated that Resident #1 and #2 began fighting. According to this report
other residents began to jump in by punching and kicking Resident #1. Staff A wrote that other
staff attempted to break up the fight and was assisted by Staff B.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Staff A's training, revealed that on April 28-30, 2010 he/she
received full certification in Therapeutic Aggression Control Techniques-2 (TACT-2). Staff A's
date of hire was 3/15/2010.
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Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Staff B's training, revealed that on April 28-30, 2010, he/she
received verbal certification on TACT 2. Staff B's date of hire was 1/29/2010.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Staff C's file, revealed that he/she has not been trained on any
emergency safety interventions. Staff C's date of hire was 6/1/2010.
Interview with Staff D was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:46 pm. Staff D stated that Staff B did
complete the full TACT-2 training, but received verbal certification because she/he has a smaller
stature than the residents.
Interview with Staff A was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 2:15 pm. Staff A reported that the incident
happened on 6/10/2010. Staff A said he/she was coming in the dorms around 9:15 pm and was
going to follow up with Resident #1 as he/she requested earlier for another issue. Staff A
reported that Resident #1 was sitting at his/her computer and talking with another resident. Staff
A said Resident #1 was crying and picked up the computer and pushed it away. Staff A said
he/she offered to speak with Resident #1, but Resident #1 refused. Staff A said Resident #1 then
picked up a chair and said "not until I finish some business." Staff A said Resident #1 then threw
the chair against the window causing it to shatter. Staff A went on to state that Resident #1 ran
out of his/her room towards Resident #2's room. Staff A said Resident #1 was screaming and
running causing residents to look. Staff A said when he/she got to the room there was Resident
#1 and #2. Staff A said he/she arrived in the room the same time Resident #3 and #4 entered. Staff
A reported that there was a split second where it was just Resident #1 and #2 alone in the room,
so he/she was able to pull Resident #2 to the side. Staff A said Resident #1 was on the floor when
Resident #3 and #4 started kicking Resident #1. Staff A then stated that he/she was trying to
cover Resident #1 and deflect as many of the kicks as possible. Staff A said about 10 seconds
after he/she arrived in the room, Staff C entered; however, Staff C wasn't able to assist as much
because he/she was not trained in emergency safety interventions. Staff A said Resident #1
received about 10-15 kicks to the face and blood was everywhere. Staff A then reported that
Resident #3 pushed Staff C to the side. Staff A recalled that Staff B came in the room right after
Staff C. Staff A stated that Resident #4 pushed Staff B through a crowd of residents that were
outside the room blocking the entrance. Staff A then reported that Staff B was able to get back up
and restrain Resident #4. Staff A said when Resident #4 was restrained, he/she could be heard
and got the residents to leave the area. Staff A said Staff B was able to get the aggressors out of
the room. Staff A said he/she walked Resident #1 out of the room and and took Resident #1 to
the emergency room with Staff B. Staff A stated that Staff C was on his/her second day of work,
so he/she was trying to get the residents away, but did not restrain anyone. Staff A indicated that
Resident #1 had a broken nose, 2 chipped teeth, but no concussion. Staff A recalled that there
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were about 15 residents present in the doorway at the time of the incident. Staff A reported that at
the time of the incident there were 29 residents total, including the ones that were fighting, and
three staff members on duty for that dorm.
Interview with Resident #1 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 2:42 pm. Resident #1 reported that at
the beginning of the day he/she had a fight with another resident that day, who was later picked
on by Resident #5. Resident #1 said she/he told his/her counselor about the issue and the
counselor spoke with Resident #5. Resident #1 said later that day Resident #2 came to his/her
room and threatened him/her. Resident #1 said he/she got angry and ran down the hall to
Resident #2's room. Resident #1 said they started fighting and all he/she can remember is being
attacked by others. Resident #1 said Staff A was trying to keep Resident #2 off of him/her, while
Staff B was trying to enter the room. Resident #1 stated that some residents blocking the door.
Resident #1 said residents were hitting him/her. Resident #1 said he/she went to the hospital and
was diagnosed with a broken nose and swelling. Resident #1 said Staff A and B took him/her to
the emergency room. Resident #1 said he/she blacked out a little when he/she was hit to the
head. Resident #1 reported that staff knew he/she was getting angry throughout the day, but Staff
A did what he/she could. Resident #1 said he/she told his/her counselor that day that he/she was
being antagonized by Resident #5. Resident #1 said he/she thinks that Staff A knew about the
problems he/she was having and that's why Staff A came to the room to talk. Resident #1 said
Staff C didn't get in the room, but Staff B was trying to keep people out of the room.
Interview with Staff C was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:00 pm. Staff C said on June 10th, he/she
noticed something was going on when Resident #1 broke a window. Staff C said Staff A was with
Resident #1. Staff C said he/she was floating around the dorms when he/she heard yelling. Staff
C said Resident #2 was in the hallway when Resident #1 made it into Resident #2's room. Staff C
said it was a "mad rush" between residents and staff going to the room. Staff C said when he/she
made it in the room, he/she saw Resident #2, #3, and #4 beating on Resident #1. Staff C stated
that he/she grabbed the shoulder of Resident #3 while Staff A was shielding Resident #1. Staff C
said Resident #3 was able to break free and kick Resident #1. Staff C said Staff B came in the
room after having some trouble entering due to residents blocking the doorway. Staff C said Staff
B was able to get Resident #4 to leave the room. Staff C said he/she didn't know the cause of the
fight and did not know there was tension going on that day. Staff C said he/she was with a group
of residents earlier that day when Resident #1 accidentally hit one of the residents with a stick.
Staff C said he/she was told later that this was the cause of the tension throughout the day. Staff
C recalled that there were approximately 27-30 residents present on the day of the incident and
there were 4 staff members assigned to that dorm. Staff C said he/she is not sure if all four staff
members were present, but one could have been administering medication at that time.
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Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 stated that
he/she doesn't feel like staff did their job, because it took staff 5 minutes to intervene with the
fight. Resident #2 reported that Resident #1 started the fight by coming after him/her. Resident #2
said Resident #1 charged at him/her and there was no staff around. Resident #2 said Resident #1
struck first and he/she doesn't remember what happened next. Resident #2 said he/she doesn't
remember how the fight ended because he/she "pretty much blacked out."
Interview with Resident #4 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:25 pm. Resident #4 did report that
staff could have done more because they knew Resident #1 was "heated" that day, but they just
let everything unfold.
Interview with Resident #3 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:29 pm. Resident #3 stated that the
day of the incident his/her roommate, Resident #5, came to him/her and said he/she was afraid
that Resident #1 would kill him/her. Resident #3 said later that night he/she and Resident #2
asked Resident #1 why was he/she threatening Resident #5. Resident #3 said he/she was in
Resident #4's room when he/she heard a crash and screaming. Resident #3 said he/she saw
Resident #1 run by the room. Resident #3 said someone said that Resident #1 just broke a
window and was trying to attack Resident #2. Resident #3 said Resident #2 is one of his/her best
friends and he/she thought about Resident #1's threats to others. Resident #3 said he/she was
afraid that Resident #1 would injure Resident #2. Resident #1 said he/she was thinking that
Resident #1 had a piece of glass from the broken window. Resident #3 then admitted that he/she
pushed Resident #1 away from Resident #2 and Resident #1 turned around and hit him/her.
Resident #3 said he/she got angry and hit Resident #1 multiple times. Resident #3 said staff
intervened when Resident #1 was on the floor knocked out. Resident #3 said Staff B was
watching at the door, and Staff C had his/her arm around Resident #3's body. Resident #3 said
his/her arms were by his/her side in the hold by Staff C. Resident #3 indicated he/she stopped
fighting at that point. Resident #3 said it could have been prevented because staff knew Resident
#1 was angry that day. Resident #3 said the counselor talked with Resident #5 and told him/her
that Resident #1 threatened to kill him/her. Resident #3 said he/she is not sure how many staff
members were present this day or how long it took Staff A to enter the room.
Interview with Staff B was conducted on 6/29/2010 at 2:50 pm. Staff B reported that all day there
were rumors about Resident #1 wanting to beat up Resident #5 and that Resident #5's friends
went into Resident #1's room and asked why he/she was threatening Resident #5. Staff B
reported that Resident #1 got angry and Staff A tried to speak with Resident #1. Staff B indicated
that Resident #1 threw a chair at the window and Staff B was standing in the doorway. Staff B
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said Resident #1 then came out of the room forcefully and pointed at Resident #2. Staff B
indicated that Resident #1 and #2 went into the room and Staff A and B ran down the hallway
after them. Staff B said the other residents were there and Staff B stood over Resident #1. Staff B
reported that Resident #3 and #4 were in the room kicking Resident #1. Staff B said she/he went
behind Resident #4 and took him/her by the arm. Staff B said Resident #4 left the room. Staff B
said she/he doesn't know what Staff C was doing because everything happened so quickly. Staff
B said she/he doesn't think that Staff C physically restrained anyone. Staff B said she/he did not
use a TACT2 restraint, she/he just took Resident #4 by the arm to escort out the room. Staff B
said Resident #4 wasn't fighting back. Staff B said Resident #4 was the only one she/he
physically touched. Staff B reported that Resident #4 is his/her size and has a good rapport with
him/her, so it was easier to get Resident #4 out of the room. Staff B said Resident #3 followed
and then Resident #2 exited the room. Staff B said Staff A got Resident #1 out of the room. Staff B
indicated that there were about 35 residents total in the dorm this day. Staff B said there were 3
staff members in the room. Staff B said one staff member was administering medication with
about 10 other residents. Staff B said 2 hours before the actual fight, a resident approached a
counselor and said it might be a fight and Resident #1 should be monitored. Staff B said Resident
#1's counselor told the leader of the reflections group (where Resident #1 was located at the
time). Staff B said the group leader sent Resident #5 off campus to keep his/her separated from
Resident #1. Staff B reported that Staff A was waiting to speak with Resident #1 after the
reflections group. Staff B reported that Resident #1 was supervised close that day, but by the
time he/she got into the dorms he/she was beyond calming. Staff B reiterated that one staff
member was dispensing medication at the time of the fight and one staff member was monitoring
the residents that were waiting for medication. Staff B said she/he did not have to physically
restrain anyone. Staff B stated that the ratio is typically 4 staff to 30 residents, but sometimes
there are just 3 staff members. Staff B said as far as she/he knew, staff was talking about
monitoring Resident #1 that day. Staff B said she/he was standing in the doorway of the room
when Resident #1 came out forcefully, but due to the size difference, she/he moved and could
only follow Resident #1. Staff B said the incident happened fast and the residents moved toward
the room quickly. Staff B said the residents wouldn't move and hs/he had to push his/her way
through the door to enter the room. Staff B said the fight started about 30 seconds before she/he
entered the room.
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R 1003 290-2-5-.10(b) Assessment and Planning.
SS=C
A service and room, board and watchful oversight plan shall be developed by the child's Human Services
Professional in concert with the child's primary Child Care Worker, meaning the worker who has responsibility for
supervision of the child in the living
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to have completed Service, Room,
Board, and Watchful Oversight plans to include activities to be followed by staff in pursuit of
stated goals and objectives for two of four plans reviewed.
Findings Include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #1's Individual Service Plan, dated 5/11/2010,
revealed that the plan did not include activities to be followed by staff in pursuit of stated goals
and objectives. Resident #1 was admitted nearly two months ago.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #4's Individual Service Plan, dated 2/11/2010,
revealed that the plan did not include activities to be followed by staff in pursuit of stated goals
and objectives. Resident #4 was admitted nine months ago.
During interview with Staff D on 6/28/2010 at 4:56 pm, he/she acknowledged the findings.
This rule was previously cited on 12/10/2009 and 12/3/2008.
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R 1011 290-2-5-.10(d) Assessment and Planning.
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The service and room, board and watchful oversight plan shall be updated by the Human Services Professional at
a minimum of every six months and pertinent progress notes and data shall be incorporated in the plan to
measure attainment of stated goals and
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
****Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that the Service
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan is updated by the Human Services Professional at a
minimum of every six months for one of four files reviewed.
Findings Include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #2's individual Service Plan, dated 10/30/2009,
revealed that the plan is outdated. Resident #2 was admitted over eight months ago.
During interview with Staff D on 7/16/2010 at 2:42 pm, he/she acknowledged the findings after
he/she checked the agency's data base for the current plan.
This rule was previously cited on 12/10/2009 and 12/3/2008.
R 1402 290-2-5-.14(1)(b)2. Behavior Management.
SS=D
Such Behavior management policies and procedures shall incorporate the following minimum requirements: ...
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2. Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
service plan pursuant to Rule
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that behavior
management is limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan and in accordance with the prohibitions as specified
in the rules and regulations.
Findings Include
Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/2820/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 said he/she
doesn't remember what happened during the incident, but he/she knows that he/she was in a
fight. When asked if he/she received a consequence for fighting, Resident #2 indicated that staff
sent him/her to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #2's Individual Service Plan, dated 10/30/2009, did
not reveal that the wilderness intervention program would be used as a behavioral management
method.
Interview with Resident #4 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:25 pm. When asked if he/she
received a consequence for involvement with the physical altercation, Resident #4 said first staff
spoke with him/her then he/she was sent to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Resident #4 reported that the wilderness program is not on campus. It consists of a tavern and
the residents sleep on wooden boards.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #4's Individual Service Plan, dated 2/11/10, did not
reveal that the wilderness intervention program would be used as a behavioral management
method.
Interview with Resident #3 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:29 pm. Resident #3 stated that on
6/10/2010, Resident #5 came to him/her and said he/she was afraid that Resident #1 would kill
him/her. Resident #3 said later that night he/she and Resident #2 asked Resident #1 why was
he/she threatening Resident #5. Resident #3 said he/she was in Resident #4's room when he/she
heard a crash and screaming. Resident #3 said he/she saw Resident #1 run by the room.
Resident #3 said someone said that Resident #1 just broke a window and was trying to attack
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Resident #2. Resident #3 said Resident #2 is one of his/her best friends and he/she thought about
Resident #1's problems and remembered Resident #1 threatened others. Resident #3 said he/she
was afraid that Resident #1 would injure Resident #2. Resident #1 said he/she was thinking that
Resident #1 had a piece of glass from the broken window. Resident #3 then admitted that he/she
pushed Resident #1 away from Resident #2 and Resident #1 turned around and hit him/her.
Resident #3 said he/she got angry and hit Resident #1 multiple times. Resident #3 said he/she
was sent to the wilderness intervention program and slept on a flat sheet of wood. Resident #3
said he/she was in the wilderness intervention program for 1 week.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 4:00 pm of Resident #3's Individualized Service Plan, dated 4/1/2010, did
not reveal that the wilderness intervention program would be utilized as a behavioral
management method.
During interview with Staff D on 6/28/2010 at 3:46 pm, Surveyor asked about the wilderness
intervention program. Staff D reported that wilderness intervention is used as a behavior
management technique.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 5:00 pm of the agency's Wilderness Intervention Curriculum, revealed a
form labeled "Odds and Ends". This form states the following: "Students are responsible for
maintaining their gear, equipment, and personal hygiene. If students break, lose, or do not
maintain equipment--they may have to do without (Stay within policies and procedures, and
safety). Keep wilderness student off main campus. No student is allowed in the shelter until
completion of Solo." This form also indicates that tents are utilized.
Review on 6/28/2010 at 5:00 pm of the agency's Wilderness Initiative Daily Schedule, revealed
examples of rewards given to residents which includes: extra sleeping pad, pillows. The
schedule dated May 3, 2010 indicates the following: "solo starts at 9:00 pm, students can only
communicate with staff, journal about life goals, and objectives."
Cross reference Tag 840
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Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
6/28/2010
7/21/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Result
R 1808 290-2-5-.18(2)(c) Physical Plant and Safety.
SS=D
Each child shall be provided his or her own personal bed and mattress that is no shorter than the child's height
and at least thirty inches wide. Clean sheets, pillows and pillow cases, blankets or bed covering shall be provided
and sheets and pillow case
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that each child shall be
provided his/her own personal bed and mattress with pillows, blankets or bed covering.
Findings Include
Review on 6/28/2010 at 5:00 pm of the agency's Wilderness Initiative Daily Schedule, revealed
examples of rewards given to residents which includes extra sleeping pad and pillows.
Interview with Resident #4 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:25 pm. When asked if he/she
received a consequence for involvement with the physical altercation, Resident #4 said that first
staff spoke with him/her then he/she was sent to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Resident #4 reported that the wilderness program is not on the campus. It consists of a tavern
and the residents sleep on wooden boards.
Interview with Resident #3 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:29 pm. Resident #3 stated that on
6/10/2010, he/she pushed Resident #1 away from Resident #2 and Resident #1 turned around and
hit him/her. Resident #3 said he/she got angry and hit Resident #1 multiple times. Resident #3
said he/she was sent to the wilderness intervention program as his/her consequence and slept
on a flat sheet of wood. Resident #3 said he/she was in the wilderness intervention program for 1
week.
R 9999 Closing Comments.
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Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
6/28/2010
7/21/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
An exit conference was conducted onsite. There was one rule violation related to self reported
incident #GA00083346. There were four rule violations found during the investigation. The
preliminary report was mailed on 7/12/2010. The plan of correction is due ten days after the
receipt of this report.
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I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day. The Solo was a 24 hour period where students slept in individual tents, closely monitored by staff. Students could not talk to other students but could talk to staff any time they wanted...this was about self-control, learning to delay gratification and having time to reflect about what behaviors they did that got them sent to intervention. Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors. Each day students engaged in therapeutic groups, community projects and worked on academics and therapeutic assignments and learned how to hold each other accountable. As you can tell i am a big believer in the power of outdoor therapeutic programs! Many students returning from those interventions made huge progress behaviorally even after only 7 days and many of them have continued on that path of sucess. Also know that the interventions occured during warm months.
Though many a shadey thing has happened on that campus the staff members who work directly with the students are good people who during my time there made the best effort they could to support students given their limited training and supports. The biggest limitations to the program are the decision makers and higher-ups in Administration.
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ok...I will get off my soap box now!
Thats the guy I was talking about. He doesnt like anyone coming in here with first hand information on programs.
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And you know this ... how? From what I've read, there were also other staff members who had felonies on their records. From the sound of it, Buccellato appears to have been quite aware of these priors and didn't/doesn't seem to have a problem with them. I s'pose a lot could depend on what the felony conviction was for, and when and how it was committed, eh?
I have not read about the other felonies myself and I have been reading this thread for years now. I am only aware of the one here who speaks negative towards HLA and RCS.
Just so that we're crystal clear 'bout this... This thread was started just shy of four months ago by Troll Control.
How do you know that this former staff member lied? And how do you know that he was fired? This sounds like more opinion on your part, Whooter!
I have seen many inconsistencies in his stories and statements made. He has also made statements as fact about RCS when he was fired years before that school was opened. If you compare what RCSworkhorse describes (and he wasnt pleased with RCS) to what Troll Control describes it is not hard to see who is not credible. RCSworkhorse is able to see the good and the bad within the same program and speak honestly about it even with a known bias. We have never seen this from regulars here on fornits. This gets back to another thread about honesty that we discussed earlier.
LOLOLLLL... As we all know, Hidden Lake Academy closed, and simply reopened as Ridge Creek School. They are basically the same place. They occupy the same location, reflect yet another variation of the same ownership, employ many of the same personnel, and avow the same or similar philosophy. They just go by a different name. There simply isn't the same shitload of wretched reviews and claims of abuse associated with RCS as there are of HLA when you google it. Yet.
Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
As to your contentions re. who is the more believable or "honest" former staffperson, has it ever occurred to you that they might both be believable? Since when have folks' personal experiences ever been the exact same "truth" as everybody else's? Your attempts to attribute a moral value to one person's sole post on here, just because you find it more palatable, is... well... more opinion on your part, dontcha think? And yet, aren't you the one who always claims to be such a "moderate" 'cuz you "accept all information equally?"
Really? His stories of HLA actually carry quite a lot of credibility here, but that's just my opinion. It's YOUR stories that appear to lack credibility, Whooter. Mostly because so many of your "facts" seem to contradict one another, but also because you seem to have an overriding agenda of your own. Of course, that's just my opinion, but at least I call it for what it is! :D
I understand this is your opinion, Ursus. But we have to keep in mind that you are radically anti-program. I on the other hand am a moderate and able to see both sides of the issues fairly. I understand that there are programs which are abusive and those that are not. Many on fornits cannot see this and therefore hold a heavily biased and uniformed opinion of the industry. Do you see what I mean? So of course they would view my information as not credible because it does not fit with their (your) agenda.
If you speak to people randomly on fornits they will tell you that they dont know anyone who has benefited from a program and therefore could not possibly speak to the positive side of the industry, most have only been exposed to negative information and experiences.
I am not frustrated or get upset with negative reports or positive reports, I accept all information equally. But the anti-program group like yourself cannot make that statement. Many of you close the door on information you dont want to hear or try to discredit the information or the person posting it. You have been here long enough to witness this, Ursus.
Ya can spin it any way you want, Whooter. I've been accused of worse, and even of being the complete opposite! :rofl: While I have neither the time nor the inclination to haggle with you over the details today, I would like to point out one glaringly obvious inconsistency in your above seranade...
Namely, that — despite your professed "moderate" views (<cough cough>), you STILL to this day disavow the possibility of thought reform as being potentially damaging in and of itself. That is, that "the process" itself can wreak havoc with the psyche, not just the incidents of egregious abuse which may or may not also occur.
This, to my mind, is NOT a moderate view. Not to mention completely lacking in common sense. But that's just my opinion.
You liken thought reform to potty training. Or being in a program as being analogous to having an ear infection and getting IT "treated." These are really inappropriate analogies for methodologies and processes that seek to destroy and rewrite key concepts of self identity in vulnerable individuals with little or no choice in the matter, and certainly less than full understanding of the manipulations they are being subjected to.
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Nicely said, Ursus.
We also have to keep in mind that there is strong liklihood that "RCSWorkhorse" is just Whooter in one of his guises. When he posts under his various usernames, he always trips himself up by quoting himself over and over. It's a dead giveaway.
As you can see, he carefully avoids the extremely damaging ORS report while simply continuously posting his own quote under his username "RCSWorkhorse." Watch. He'll keep at it and soon, magically, "RCSWorkhorse" will show up and say "I'm not this guy Whooter." We've seen this scenario play out hundreds of times here on Fornits.
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Just so that we're crystal clear 'bout this... This thread was started just shy of four months ago by Troll Control.
I meant "Forum" not this thread, but you knew this.
LOLOLLLL... As we all know, Hidden Lake Academy closed, and simply reopened as Ridge Creek School. They are basically the same place.
You don’t know this, Ursus. You have never been there nor do you know anyone who has been there. We just heard from someone who has been there yet no one has responded. Interesting? If he had brought up abuses this thread would have gone on another 5 or 10 pages asking for more information... but we hear crickets.. lol Hmmm.. I wonder why?
As to your contentions re. who is the more believable or "honest" former staffperson, has it ever occurred to you that they might both be believable? Since when have folks' personal experiences ever been the exact same "truth" as everybody else's? Your attempts to attribute a moral value to one person's sole post on here, just because you find it more palatable, is... well... more opinion on your part, dontcha think? And yet, aren't you the one who always claims to be such a "moderate" 'cuz you "accept all information equally?"
I think I know more about DJ/Control Troll than anyone else does here on fornits when it comes to honesty. I have seen him fabricate posts all day long to suit his present agenda. Everyone else reading the posts don’t really know which one is true and which isn’t if the posts are about me. So I know that his account is not believable from first hand experiences. added: (lol look at his previous post to this one which makes my point) So when I say I accept both side equally this is based on knowing (or not knowing) the source equally.
If it were a random staff person (like RCSWorkhorse) then I would hold his account just as believable as a survivor who came to fornits. But if I found that RCSWorkhorse had a habit of lying throughout other parts of this forum then he would surly lose credibility. But in your eyes if someone is anti-program then they remain credible to you no matter what they say.
I am not saying that all staff people have a felony background and lie, I am just saying that one of them does. Do you see the difference?
Ya can spin it any way you want, Whooter. I've been accused of worse, and even of being the complete opposite as well!
Believe me I know the feeling, I have been compared to Hitler!! Among other people Lol.
While I have neither the time nor the inclination to haggle with you over the details today, I would like to point out one glaringly obvious inconsistency in your above seranade...
Namely, that — despite your professed "moderate" views (<cough cough>), you STILL to this day disavow the possibility of thought reform as being potentially damaging in and of itself. That is, that "the process" itself can wreak havoc with the psyche, not just the incidents of egregious abuse which may or may not also occur.
I have never said that. I believe I stated that certain elements of thought reform could be used without being damaging. Thought Reform could be very damaging, so can electric shock therapy and so can behavior modification or spanking or constant humiliation or eating too many French fries. But they don’t all have to be.
This, to my mind, is NOT a moderate view. Not to mention completely lacking in common sense. But that's just my opinion.
This is exactly what a moderate view is Ursus. Having the capability to see both side of an issue and listening to both. I can see Electric shock therapy as being potentially helpful; and I can also see it as dangerous. How many people on fornits are open minded to see this? You know this answer. I see behavior modification in the same way… etc.
You liken thought reform to potty training. Or being in a program as being analogous to having an ear infection and getting IT "treated." These are really inappropriate analogies for methodologies and processes that seek to destroy and rewrite key concepts of self identity, in vulnerable individuals with little or no choice in the matter, and certainly less than full understanding of the manipulations they are being subjected to.
But see they don’t Ursus. No one in programs today have to endure what POW’s had to endure in Korea. They are not subjected to torture and you know this as well as I do. You find one common thread like (they are isolated from their family) and all of a sudden you feel they are using thought reform. People here try to compare the inverted “T” structure and scare everyone....
They are schools, very tough schools, but they are not performing brainwashing by any stretch of the imagination.
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Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
That's true, Ursus. He sent out a letter to parents saying explicitly that RCS is the new HLA. The letter is posted here on Fornits. Somehow Whooter missed that. Wierd, huh?
I'm sure RCSWorkh...errr...Whooter will be along shortly to explain how he missed that important fact after calling you a liar over it.
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Just so that we're crystal clear 'bout this... This thread was started just shy of four months ago by Troll Control.
I meant "Forum" not this thread, but you knew this.
LOLOLLLL... As we all know, Hidden Lake Academy closed, and simply reopened as Ridge Creek School. They are basically the same place.
You don’t know this, Ursus. You have never been there nor do you know anyone who has been there. We just heard from someone who has been there yet no one has responded. Interesting? If he had brought up abuses this thread would have gone on another 5 or 10 pages asking for more information... but we hear crickets.. lol Hmmm.. I wonder why?
As to your contentions re. who is the more believable or "honest" former staffperson, has it ever occurred to you that they might both be believable? Since when have folks' personal experiences ever been the exact same "truth" as everybody else's? Your attempts to attribute a moral value to one person's sole post on here, just because you find it more palatable, is... well... more opinion on your part, dontcha think? And yet, aren't you the one who always claims to be such a "moderate" 'cuz you "accept all information equally?"
I think I know more about DJ/Control Troll than anyone else does here on fornits when it comes to honesty. I have seen him fabricate posts all day long to suit his present agenda. Everyone else reading the posts don’t really know which one is true and which isn’t if the posts are about me. So I know that his account is not believable from first hand experiences. added: (lol look at his previous post to this one which makes my point) So when I say I accept both side equally this is based on knowing (or not knowing) the source equally.
If it were a random staff person (like RCSWorkhorse) then I would hold his account just as believable as a survivor who came to fornits. But if I found that RCSWorkhorse had a habit of lying throughout other parts of this forum then he would surly lose credibility. But in your eyes if someone is anti-program then they remain credible to you no matter what they say.
I am not saying that all staff people have a felony background and lie, I am just saying that one of them does. Do you see the difference?
Ya can spin it any way you want, Whooter. I've been accused of worse, and even of being the complete opposite as well!
Believe me I know the feeling, I have been compared to Hitler!! Among other people Lol.
While I have neither the time nor the inclination to haggle with you over the details today, I would like to point out one glaringly obvious inconsistency in your above seranade...
Namely, that — despite your professed "moderate" views (<cough cough>), you STILL to this day disavow the possibility of thought reform as being potentially damaging in and of itself. That is, that "the process" itself can wreak havoc with the psyche, not just the incidents of egregious abuse which may or may not also occur.
I have never said that. I believe I stated that certain elements of thought reform could be used without being damaging. Thought Reform could be very damaging, so can electric shock therapy and so can behavior modification or spanking or constant humiliation or eating too many French fries. But they don’t all have to be.
This, to my mind, is NOT a moderate view. Not to mention completely lacking in common sense. But that's just my opinion.
This is exactly what a moderate view is Ursus. Having the capability to see both side of an issue and listening to both. I can see Electric shock therapy as being potentially helpful; and I can also see it as dangerous. How many people on fornits are open minded to see this? You know this answer. I see behavior modification in the same way… etc.
You liken thought reform to potty training. Or being in a program as being analogous to having an ear infection and getting IT "treated." These are really inappropriate analogies for methodologies and processes that seek to destroy and rewrite key concepts of self identity, in vulnerable individuals with little or no choice in the matter, and certainly less than full understanding of the manipulations they are being subjected to.
But see they don’t Ursus. No one in programs today have to endure what POW’s had to endure in Korea. They are not subjected to torture and you know this as well as I do. You find one common thread like (they are isolated from their family) and all of a sudden you feel they are using thought reform. People here try to compare the inverted “T” structure and scare everyone....
They are schools, very tough schools, but they are not performing brainwashing by any stretch of the imagination.
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Again you lose credibility Dysfunction Junction/Troll control, I called you the liar not Ursus. I told Ursus that he didnt know if RCS is the same as HLA. Read the post again.
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Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
You don’t know this, Ursus.
This means Ursus is lying. You called him a liar. But we all know about the letter from Bucci saying exactly what Ursus posted and it's posted here on Fornits. Because Whooter is ignorant of this letter (or doesn't want to admit it exists because he gets egg on his face), he simply says Ursus is lying.
The fact is Ursus knows this, I know this and almost everyone else does, too, except our resident ignoramus.
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Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
You don’t know this, Ursus.
This means Ursus is lying. You called him a liar. But we all know about the letter from Bucci saying exactly what Ursus posted and it's posted here on Fornits. Because Whooter is ignorant of this letter (or doesn't want to admit it exists because he gets egg on his face), he simply says Ursus is lying.
The fact is Ursus knows this, I know this and almost everyone else does, too, except our resident ignoramus.
I haver heard you call Len Buccellato a liar also, DJ. So who do we believe?
As far as the 2 schools being similar I am sure they do have similarities but we dont know what they are (the specifics) unless we speak to someone who was there. We can all speculate but until we talk to someone we wont know which parts of the school are similar to HLA and which facets have changed. All programs have similarities and some can be vastly different from another.
As far as being called an ignoramus I can understand your attack on me. I needed to be honest and we both know that you have a tendency to lie when you are frustrated or losing an argument so that needed to be made clear to the readers. I am not saying that you lie in every post, though, DJ/ Control Troll.
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Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
You don’t know this, Ursus.
This means Ursus is lying. You called him a liar. But we all know about the letter from Bucci saying exactly what Ursus posted and it's posted here on Fornits. Because Whooter is ignorant of this letter (or doesn't want to admit it exists because he gets egg on his face), he simply says Ursus is lying.
The fact is Ursus knows this, I know this and almost everyone else does, too, except our resident ignoramus.
I haver heard you call Len Buccellato a liar also, DJ. So who do we believe?
As far as the 2 schools being similar I am sure they do have similarities but we dont know what they are (the specifics) unless we speak to someone who was there. We can all speculate but until we talk to someone we wont know which parts of the school are similar to HLA and which facets have changed. All programs have similarities and some can be vastly different from another.
Len Buccellato clearly stated (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30445&p=368707#p368707), regarding the difference between the HLA vs. RCS:
"The only difference is that our average length of stay is now 12 months."[/list]
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Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
You don’t know this, Ursus.
This means Ursus is lying. You called him a liar. But we all know about the letter from Bucci saying exactly what Ursus posted and it's posted here on Fornits. Because Whooter is ignorant of this letter (or doesn't want to admit it exists because he gets egg on his face), he simply says Ursus is lying.
The fact is Ursus knows this, I know this and almost everyone else does, too, except our resident ignoramus.
I haver heard you call Len Buccellato a liar also, DJ. So who do we believe?
As far as the 2 schools being similar I am sure they do have similarities but we dont know what they are (the specifics) unless we speak to someone who was there. We can all speculate but until we talk to someone we wont know which parts of the school are similar to HLA and which facets have changed. All programs have similarities and some can be vastly different from another.
Len Buccellato clearly stated (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30445&p=368707#p368707), regarding the difference between the HLA vs. RCS:
"The only difference is that our average length of stay is now 12 months."[/list]
Are you serious? You now consider a quote from Len as credible? I watched for years in the HLA thread when Dysfunction Junction and people like yourself would not believe what the man said. Why is he all of a sudden credible in your eyes now? If we accept that argument then we need to consider everything he says as potentially credible also.
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He and his team also stated this:
Of the many difficult hurdles presented to those of us who work with families in crisis, perhaps the most daunting and hurtful are attacks from the very people that, in their time of need, sought our guidance and assistance. Often, the schools and programs that provide the strongest and highest-rated, proven support and solutions for these struggling families become the targets of the misplaced anger and unbridled aggression of those they were attempting to help. In most cases, these attacks come from families that fail to see the program to its fruition or refuse to follow the guidelines provided by the professionals in this field.
Unfortunately, the anger and frustration generated by their failure can lead some students and parents to manufacture half-truths and, in many cases, slanderous lies,(Robert Bruce, Dysfunction Junction etal*) for which the internet has become the platform. No school or therapeutic program in this country has escaped these vicious and, for the most part, anonymous attacks. Further, as long as the erroneous statement contains a heading like, "I was told by…" or, "A former staff member said…", there is no legal recourse available to the school or program under attack.
We at Ridge Creek urge the parents of prospective students to fully investigate any eventual placement by calling the school and/or program under consideration to request a list of families that have completed the curriculum and to contact these families for a clear and unbiased picture of the program and its effectiveness. If there are items of concern encountered on an internet site, address these with the school and its alumni. The future of a struggling child is too valuable to be trusted to a simple internet search that yields the negative attacks of those who refused the heed advice and follow suggested treatment and recovery paths.
Ridge Creek Admissions Team
* Added by me.
Both Robert Bruce and Dysfunction Junction self admittedly failed at HLA and are obviously still frustrated by this. Bruce refused to be accountable for his actions and subsequently ran away and Dysfunction Junction was fired when they found out he lied on his application, he was previously arrested and convicted for selling drugs to kids.
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Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
You don’t know this, Ursus.
This means Ursus is lying. You called him a liar. But we all know about the letter from Bucci saying exactly what Ursus posted and it's posted here on Fornits. Because Whooter is ignorant of this letter (or doesn't want to admit it exists because he gets egg on his face), he simply says Ursus is lying.
The fact is Ursus knows this, I know this and almost everyone else does, too, except our resident ignoramus.
I haver heard you call Len Buccellato a liar also, DJ. So who do we believe?
As far as the 2 schools being similar I am sure they do have similarities but we dont know what they are (the specifics) unless we speak to someone who was there. We can all speculate but until we talk to someone we wont know which parts of the school are similar to HLA and which facets have changed. All programs have similarities and some can be vastly different from another.
Len Buccellato clearly stated (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30445&p=368707#p368707), regarding the difference between the HLA vs. RCS:
"The only difference is that our average length of stay is now 12 months."[/list]
There you have it. HLA=RCS according to the owner of the facility.
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There you have it. HLA=RCS according to the owner of the facility.
Of the many difficult hurdles presented to those of us who work with families in crisis, perhaps the most daunting and hurtful are attacks from the very people that, in their time of need, sought our guidance and assistance. Often, the schools and programs that provide the strongest and highest-rated, proven support and solutions for these struggling families become the targets of the misplaced anger and unbridled aggression of those they were attempting to help. In most cases, these attacks come from families that fail to see the program to its fruition or refuse to follow the guidelines provided by the professionals in this field.
Unfortunately, the anger and frustration generated by their failure can lead some students and parents to manufacture half-truths and, in many cases, slanderous lies,(Robert Bruce, Dysfunction Junction etal*) for which the internet has become the platform. No school or therapeutic program in this country has escaped these vicious and, for the most part, anonymous attacks. Further, as long as the erroneous statement contains a heading like, "I was told by…" or, "A former staff member said…", there is no legal recourse available to the school or program under attack.
We at Ridge Creek urge the parents of prospective students to fully investigate any eventual placement by calling the school and/or program under consideration to request a list of families that have completed the curriculum and to contact these families for a clear and unbiased picture of the program and its effectiveness. If there are items of concern encountered on an internet site, address these with the school and its alumni. The future of a struggling child is too valuable to be trusted to a simple internet search that yields the negative attacks of those who refused the heed advice and follow suggested treatment and recovery paths.
Ridge Creek Admissions Team
* Added by me.
Both Robert Bruce and Dysfunction Junction self admittedly failed at HLA and are obviously still frustrated by this. Bruce refused to be accountable for his actions and subsequently ran away and Dysfunction Junction was fired when they found out he lied on his application, he was previously arrested and convicted for selling drugs to kids.
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Resident #4 moved behind Resident
#1 and "began to repeatedly hit Resident #1 in the head". The report stated that Staff D placed
Resident #4 into a "double arm bar restraint" while Resident #1 was escorted by Staff members
B and C into the main room of the SAC. The report states that Staff C instructed Resident #1 to
leave and go to the dorm, but Resident #1 refused to comply. The report then states that
Resident #2 "jumped in front of" Resident #1 and stated that Resident #1 was not leaving.
Resident #2 then yelled to Resident #4, #5, and # 6 asking "do they have his/her back" and will
they participate in assaulting Resident #1. The report continues to describe various efforts
employed by Resident #2 to rally residents and instances in which the residents were
disobedient and disrespectful to staff members. Ultimately the report states that Staff B got
between Resident #1 and #2 and that Resident #2 "shoved Staff B and then slapped Resident
#1". The report states that Staff B then "escorted Resident #2 to the ground and that Staff C
grabbed his/her legs". The report states that while Staff B attempted "to get into the proper
seated double arm bar restraint, Resident #3 "ran up and repeatedly kicked Staff B in his/her face
causing his/her lips to split, nose to bleed, and bruising on the forehead".[/b]
Ursus, I'd have to say that RCS/HLA has actually gotten worse. In the past resident on resident violence, sexual assault, rape, sodomy, etc were fairly common, but resident on staff violence was basically nonexistent (although staff on resident violence has been common there).
Now the report says that not only does RCS/HLA have the same type of resident on resident crimes, they also have had had two major incidents that we know of recently where residents battered staff, including an assault and battery of a staff who was hit in the head with a lamp and had her radio and car stolen and the residents who did the crime ultimately crashed into a gas tank while running from the cops.
It's really a prison now and not just a "mental ward" (they had a kid diagnosed as a pedophile who sexually assaulted his little brother and then some other boys at HLA/RCS) like it used to be.
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I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous!
There are many people here who have an agenda and will say anything they can to make the school look bad. Most of the citations are typical of any boarding school. Kids get into fights all the time outside of programs. People who are familiar with the education system know this.
Inspectors need to find things wrong and inconsistencies in order to justify their jobs and existence. This is good thought because it keeps the schools on their toes and continuously improving.
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The report states that
"other students and Staff D pulled Resident #3 off of Staff B and that Staff C got up to help with
the restraint. The report then states that Resident #1 ran out of the front door of the SAC and that
Resident #4, #5, #6, and #8 followed after him/her. The report continues to state that Resident #2
attempted to follow and that ultimately Staff B "placed him/her in a standing double arm bar
restraint" when Resident #3 intervened and attempted to punch Staff B. The report states that
Staff B was able " to dodge the punch and that two other residents restrained Resident #3
"followed by Staff D". The report states that "outside of the dorm, Resident #1 was hit several
times in the face; his/her right eye was swollen the next day.
Interview conducted on 1/26/2010 at 5:05 pm., with Staff A revealed that staff to client ratio at the
time of the incident was 6 staff members to 40 students.
Didn't our resident TTI guy recently claim these facilities typically have staff to resident ratios of "7 to 1"? This report shows the opposite: 7 inmates per staff. It's really no wonder why the staff and inmates are constatntly assaulted at this private detention center. Of course with those staffing levels supervising adjudicated inmates there's going to be real problems. The reports indicate what a dangerous environment it is.
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Some random statistics to compare to:
When junior and senior high students around the nation were asked to identify the causes of the most recent fights they had witnessed, most frequent responses were:
* Someone insulted someone else or treated them disrespectfully (54 percent).
* There was an ongoing feud or disagreement (44 percent).
* Someone was hit, pushed, shoved, or bumped (42 percent).
* Someone spread rumors or said things about someone else (40 percent).
* Someone could not control his or her anger (39 percent).
* Other people were watching or encouraging the fight (34 percent).
* Someone who likes to fight a lot was involved (26 percent).
* Someone didn't want to look like a loser (21 percent).
* There was an argument over a boyfriend or girlfriend (19 percent).
* Someone wanted to keep a reputation or get a name (17 percent)
Link (http://http://www.keepschoolssafe.org/students/fighting.htm)
If you take a look at kids who are having problems and emotional issues these numbers are going to go way way up. Kids who live a more at-risk lifestyle tend to get into more physical fights according to reports.
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And you know this ... how? From what I've read, there were also other staff members who had felonies on their records. From the sound of it, Buccellato appears to have been quite aware of these priors and didn't/doesn't seem to have a problem with them. I s'pose a lot could depend on what the felony conviction was for, and when and how it was committed, eh?
I have not read about the other felonies myself and I have been reading this thread for years now. I am only aware of the one here who speaks negative towards HLA and RCS.
Just so that we're crystal clear 'bout this... This thread was started just shy of four months ago by Troll Control.
How do you know that this former staff member lied? And how do you know that he was fired? This sounds like more opinion on your part, Whooter!
I have seen many inconsistencies in his stories and statements made. He has also made statements as fact about RCS when he was fired years before that school was opened. If you compare what RCSworkhorse describes (and he wasnt pleased with RCS) to what Troll Control describes it is not hard to see who is not credible. RCSworkhorse is able to see the good and the bad within the same program and speak honestly about it even with a known bias. We have never seen this from regulars here on fornits. This gets back to another thread about honesty that we discussed earlier.
LOLOLLLL... As we all know, Hidden Lake Academy closed, and simply reopened as Ridge Creek School. They are basically the same place. They occupy the same location, reflect yet another variation of the same ownership, employ many of the same personnel, and avow the same or similar philosophy. They just go by a different name. There simply isn't the same shitload of wretched reviews and claims of abuse associated with RCS as there are of HLA when you google it. Yet.
Even Len Buccellato freely admits that RCS = HLA, and has even gone so far as to write letters to current and prospective parents to reassure them that, in fact, this is the case.
As to your contentions re. who is the more believable or "honest" former staffperson, has it ever occurred to you that they might both be believable? Since when have folks' personal experiences ever been the exact same "truth" as everybody else's? Your attempts to attribute a moral value to one person's sole post on here, just because you find it more palatable, is... well... more opinion on your part, dontcha think? And yet, aren't you the one who always claims to be such a "moderate" 'cuz you "accept all information equally?"
Really? His stories of HLA actually carry quite a lot of credibility here, but that's just my opinion. It's YOUR stories that appear to lack credibility, Whooter. Mostly because so many of your "facts" seem to contradict one another, but also because you seem to have an overriding agenda of your own. Of course, that's just my opinion, but at least I call it for what it is! :D
I understand this is your opinion, Ursus. But we have to keep in mind that you are radically anti-program. I on the other hand am a moderate and able to see both sides of the issues fairly. I understand that there are programs which are abusive and those that are not. Many on fornits cannot see this and therefore hold a heavily biased and uniformed opinion of the industry. Do you see what I mean? So of course they would view my information as not credible because it does not fit with their (your) agenda.
If you speak to people randomly on fornits they will tell you that they dont know anyone who has benefited from a program and therefore could not possibly speak to the positive side of the industry, most have only been exposed to negative information and experiences.
I am not frustrated or get upset with negative reports or positive reports, I accept all information equally. But the anti-program group like yourself cannot make that statement. Many of you close the door on information you dont want to hear or try to discredit the information or the person posting it. You have been here long enough to witness this, Ursus.
Ya can spin it any way you want, Whooter. I've been accused of worse, and even of being the complete opposite! :rofl: While I have neither the time nor the inclination to haggle with you over the details today, I would like to point out one glaringly obvious inconsistency in your above seranade...
Namely, that — despite your professed "moderate" views (<cough cough>), you STILL to this day disavow the possibility of thought reform as being potentially damaging in and of itself. That is, that "the process" itself can wreak havoc with the psyche, not just the incidents of egregious abuse which may or may not also occur.
This, to my mind, is NOT a moderate view. Not to mention completely lacking in common sense. But that's just my opinion.
You liken thought reform to potty training. Or being in a program as being analogous to having an ear infection and getting IT "treated." These are really inappropriate analogies for methodologies and processes that seek to destroy and rewrite key concepts of self identity in vulnerable individuals with little or no choice in the matter, and certainly less than full understanding of the manipulations they are being subjected to.
Thanks Ursus :notworthy:
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I guess that claim of "7 to 1 staff to student ratio" was a lie. It happens to be the opposite, according to the report.
Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
service plan pursuant to Rule
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that behavior
management is limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan and in accordance with the prohibitions as specified
in the rules and regulations.
Findings Include
Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/2820/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 said he/she
doesn't remember what happened during the incident, but he/she knows that he/she was in a
fight. When asked if he/she received a consequence for fighting, Resident #2 indicated that staff
sent him/her to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Eight days of wilderness for a fight? That doesn't seem like the punishment a "regular high school kid" would get for fighting. Maybe a one or two day suspension. This juvenile prison uses methods that are very harsh and outside the law according to the official reports.
This is more like a prison camp than a school. That's obvious. And the adjudicated inmates running around assaulting staff, eachother and stealing cars and running from the police are kinda a giveaway, too. Lols.
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Eight days of wilderness for a fight? That doesn't seem like the punishment a "regular high school kid" would get for fighting. Maybe a one or two day suspension. This juvenile prison uses methods that are very harsh and outside the law according to the official reports. .
Many kids would take a week in wilderness any time vs having to deal with the wrath of the parents. Its a nice way for the kids to cool their jets and get centered again. I am sure highschools would do this if they could.
This is more like a prison camp than a school.
You are lying once again, DJ. Prisons actually lock the people down further and restrict them not send them to wilderness. You dont know what you are talking about.
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Both Robert Bruce and Dysfunction Junction self admittedly failed at HLA and are obviously still frustrated by this. Bruce refused to be accountable for his actions and subsequently ran away and Dysfunction Junction was fired when they found out he lied on his application, he was previously arrested and convicted for selling drugs to kids.
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to provide a link. :seg:
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You dont know what you are talking about.
Wrong John. You don't know what you're talking about. Having once been sent out on what was then called an intervention myself I can assure you no public school kid would opt to leave the safer environment that. Sent out in the woods with a bag full of granola, a bottle with water purification tablets, a tarp (no tents) and a rope. We were sent out to roam aimlessly around the Appalachian trail for miles on end for however long they felt like leaving you out there. No school, no contact with your family, no anything but what they give you, which is nothing.
Once again Whooter John highlights his ignorace of how little he knows or chooses to acknowledge about this abusive industry.
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Wrong John. You don't know what you're talking about.
Well, show us one prison which sends their prisoners to wilderness for fighting. The readers know that you and DJ/troll control are full of crap, prisons dont do that they lock the prisoners down and further isolate them. You guys just make up whatever suits you at the time.
Having once been sent out on what was then called an intervention myself I can assure you no public school kid would opt to leave the safer environment that. Sent out in the woods with a bag full of granola, a bottle with water purification tablets, a tarp (no tents) and a rope. We were sent out to roam aimlessly around the Appalachian trail for miles on end for however long they felt like leaving you out there. No school, no contact with your family, no anything but what they give you, which is nothing.
Again you are lying (caught in a big one this time, Bobby) and this further supports that you just make up whatever suits you that day. Here is an account of a staff person from RCS just a few pages back:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389510#p389510) (regarding wilderness at RCS)
First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day.
Once again Whooter, John highlights his ignorace of how little he knows or chooses to acknowledge about this abusive industry.
You mean, DJ and yourself, yes We do agree here. The difference between your account, DJ's and myself is that I provide links to support my facts. I just exposed several lies you and DJ told to the readers in the last 2 posts. The absence of links on your end and the presence of links on my end always gets you guys in trouble.
I think this link is appropriate at this time:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389715#p389715)
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Considering that Whooter has admitted his long criminal history, many arrests and stints in jail, he should know a little more about lock-ups. Everyone knows that only very few prisons (maximum security) use "isolation" (called "solitary confinement") and that it is used only for the most violent offenders. Whooter has tipped his hand about the type of incarceration he endured with his description of prison. He must have done a serious crime to end up in a Max prison in isolation.
Anyway...
Here's how the US government describes a minimum security prison, which seems to be just about identical to HLA/RCS:
Minimum security prisons are comprised of non-secure dormitories which are routinely patrolled by correctional officers...has no armed watch towers or roving patrol. There is less supervision and control over inmates in the dormitories and less supervision of inmate movement within the prison...
These minimum security prisons, like RCS, don't have any locked cells, no guard towers, no armed patrols and the inmates live "dormitory style" just like at the RCS prison camp.
Seems pretty similar to me.
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Considering that Whooter has admitted his long criminal history, many arrests and stints in jail, he should know a little more about lock-ups. Everyone knows that only very few prisons (maximum security) use "isolation" (called "solitary confinement") and that it is used only for the most violent offenders. Whooter has tipped his hand about the type of incarceration he endured with his description of prison. He must have done a serious crime to end up in a Max prison in isolation.
Anyway...
Here's how the US government describes a minimum security prison, which seems to be just about identical to HLA/RCS:
Minimum security prisons are comprised of non-secure dormitories which are routinely patrolled by correctional officers...has no armed watch towers or roving patrol. There is less supervision and control over inmates in the dormitories and less supervision of inmate movement within the prison...
These minimum security prisons, like RCS, don't have any locked cells, no guard towers, no armed patrols and the inmates live "dormitory style" just like at the RCS prison camp.
Seems pretty similar to me.
I know that was tough for you, DJ, but you can see that prisons do not send their people to wilderness for fighting. I think it was hard for you to admit you were wrong to lie about that.
As I corrected you earlier programs have a wilderness piece to them not prisons. Thanks for reversing yourself and being clear.
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The ORS cited RCS for sending kids to wilderness for fighting because it was too hash a punishment. This is probably why minimum security prisons don't do that - it's illegal. ORS cited RCS/HLA prison camp for it. It's right in the report.
So we have RCS/HLA prison camp acting illegally by using punishments outside the law. That's not good!
I will revise my statement. RCS/HLA prison camp looks very much like a regular minimum security prison, but it has no protections in place to avoid the staff abusing the inmates with harsh and illegal punishments.
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The ORS cited RCS for sending kids to wilderness for fighting because it was too hash a punishment. This is probably why minimum security prisons don't do that - it's illegal. ORS cited RCS/HLA prison camp for it. It's right in the report.
So we have RCS/HLA prison camp acting illegally by using punishments outside the law. That's not good!
I will revise my statement. RCS/HLA prison camp looks very much like a regular minimum security prison, but it has no protections in place to avoid the staff abusing the inmates with harsh and illegal punishments.[/quote]
kinda sounds like a county jail to me, im ju :rofl: st sayin'. What the fuck is DUE PROCESS any ways?
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The ORS cited RCS for sending kids to wilderness for fighting because it was too hash a punishment. This is probably why minimum security prisons don't do that - it's illegal. ORS cited RCS/HLA prison camp for it. It's right in the report.
So we have RCS/HLA prison camp acting illegally by using punishments outside the law. That's not good!
I will revise my statement. RCS/HLA prison camp looks very much like a regular minimum security prison, but it has no protections in place to avoid the staff abusing the inmates with harsh and illegal punishments.
Thank you for being honest and admitting you were wrong about prisons having a wilderness piece. We both agree now that prisons do not use wilderness. We all know that it is not illegal because RCS is inspected periodically by the state. I had you clean up one lie and then you go and tell another one. tsk tsk. (If you feel it is illegal you will need to present the law which prohibits it). RCS should have use the least restrictive punishment first before proceeding to wilderness. But this doesnt mean that Wilderness is illegal. lol Interpretation of legal documents and these inspection reports can be a struggle for some people. I will be here when you need help in this area.
Here is some first hand insight into RCS wilderness, some refreshing facts:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389510#p389510) (regarding wilderness at RCS)
First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day.
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The ORS cited RCS for sending kids to wilderness for fighting because it was too hash a punishment. This is probably why minimum security prisons don't do that - it's illegal. ORS cited RCS/HLA prison camp for it. It's right in the report.
So we have RCS/HLA prison camp acting illegally by using punishments outside the law. That's not good!
I will revise my statement. RCS/HLA prison camp looks very much like a regular minimum security prison, but it has no protections in place to avoid the staff abusing the inmates with harsh and illegal punishments.[/quote]
kinda sounds like a county jail to me, im ju :rofl: st sayin'. What the fuck is DUE PROCESS any ways?
You're right, seamus, it's pretty much like the county jail or a minimum security prison. Whooter was in a maximum prison I guess based his description of his solitary confinement while he was locked up.
As far as using wilderness, nobody said that was illegal. What the ORS said was that it was illegal to send a kid for 8 days of wilderness for fighting. That's what the report says and RCS/HLA prison camp was cited for it.
I guess if Whooter has a problem with their findings he can call the ORS and demand they change their rules and rewrite the report. But, for now, all we have to go on is the ORS report that says RCS/HLA prison camp used illegal punishment on the kids.
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The ORS cited RCS for sending kids to wilderness for fighting because it was too hash a punishment. This is probably why minimum security prisons don't do that - it's illegal. ORS cited RCS/HLA prison camp for it. It's right in the report.
So we have RCS/HLA prison camp acting illegally by using punishments outside the law. That's not good!
I will revise my statement. RCS/HLA prison camp looks very much like a regular minimum security prison, but it has no protections in place to avoid the staff abusing the inmates with harsh and illegal punishments.[/quote]
kinda sounds like a county jail to me, im ju :rofl: st sayin'. What the fuck is DUE PROCESS any ways?
You're right, seamus, it's pretty much like the county jail or a minimum security prison. Whooter was in a maximum prison I guess based his description of his solitary confinement while he was locked up.
As far as using wilderness, nobody said that was illegal. What the ORS said was that it was illegal to send a kid for 8 days of wilderness for fighting. That's what the report says and RCS/HLA prison camp was cited for it.
I guess if Whooter has a problem with their findings he can call the ORS and demand they change their rules and rewrite the report. But, for now, all we have to go on is the ORS report that says RCS/HLA prison camp used illegal punishment on the kids.
You seem confused. then you revise your statement. You agree with Semus statement when he says RCS is acting illegally, they you say no one was acting illegally. Your story changes with the wind. Let me clear it up for you, DJ.
There is nothing illegal about wilderness Programs. When you stated that RCS's use of wilderness is more like a prison you were wrong again. Prisons do not use wilderness programs. As far as the ORS citing RCS they never stated that their practices were illegal. They said they should have used the least restrictive method (again you are lying to the readers).
Why not try to stick with the facts as they are written. you have no experience with RCS or wilderness programs at all, DJ, and it shows.
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Both Robert Bruce and Dysfunction Junction self admittedly failed at HLA and are obviously still frustrated by this. Bruce refused to be accountable for his actions and subsequently ran away and Dysfunction Junction was fired when they found out he lied on his application, he was previously arrested and convicted for selling drugs to kids.
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to provide a link. :seg:
whoops, sorry about that here it is:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389715#p389715)
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I wonder why they were cited in this report if this punishment were not illegal. If what Whooter says is true, RCS/HLA prison camp would have blown a gasket over this citation and had it removed. But it's still there, so I guess the ORS was right that using 8 days of wilderness as punishment is illegal.
I guess that claim of "7 to 1 staff to student ratio" was a lie. It happens to be the opposite, according to the report.
Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
service plan pursuant to Rule
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that behavior
management is limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan and in accordance with the prohibitions as specified
in the rules and regulations.
Findings Include
Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/2820/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 said he/she
doesn't remember what happened during the incident, but he/she knows that he/she was in a
fight. When asked if he/she received a consequence for fighting, Resident #2 indicated that staff
sent him/her to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Eight days of wilderness for a fight? That doesn't seem like the punishment a "regular high school kid" would get for fighting. Maybe a one or two day suspension. This juvenile prison uses methods that are very harsh and outside the law according to the official reports.
This is more like a prison camp than a school. That's obvious. And the adjudicated inmates running around assaulting staff, eachother and stealing cars and running from the police are kinda a giveaway, too. Lols.
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This is more like a prison camp than a school. That's obvious.
Actually this is a lie you are telling again, DJ. Prisons do not utilize wilderness therapy for inmates who have engaged in a fight. If you have a link to support this I think the readers would like to see it.
Lets take a look at the wilderness process again:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389510#p389510)
Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors.
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This is what the ORS says about the "wilderness program":
Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
service plan pursuant to Rule
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that behavior
management is limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan and in accordance with the prohibitions as specified
in the rules and regulations.
Findings Include
Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/2820/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 said he/she
doesn't remember what happened during the incident, but he/she knows that he/she was in a
fight. When asked if he/she received a consequence for fighting, Resident #2 indicated that staff
sent him/her to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Looks like they have some problems with that program. They got cited for it by the oversight agency.
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This is what the ORS says about the "wilderness program":
Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
service plan pursuant to Rule
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure that behavior
management is limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's
Room, Board, and Watchful Oversight Plan and in accordance with the prohibitions as specified
in the rules and regulations.
Findings Include
Interview with Resident #2 was conducted on 6/2820/2010 at 3:15 pm. Resident #2 said he/she
doesn't remember what happened during the incident, but he/she knows that he/she was in a
fight. When asked if he/she received a consequence for fighting, Resident #2 indicated that staff
sent him/her to the wilderness intervention program for 8 days.
Looks like they have some problems with that program. They got cited for it by the oversight agency.
Thank you for revising your statement, DJ. I agree that they got cited for not using the least restrictive method when they sent the student to wilderness for 8 days because she/he was involved in a fight. I think we can all agree here.
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Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this visit on September 1, 2010 was to investigate 86273. A subsequent visit was
conducted on September 9, 2010.
R 0801 290-2-5-.08(2) Administration and Organization.
SS=D
Program Description and Implementation. In accordance with these rules and regulations, a licensed child caring
institution shall develop, implement and comply with written policies and procedures that describe the range of
services including room, board
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to develop and comply with policies
and procedures as to how services will be provided by the facility;
Wow. Operating without policies or not following policies is probably what makes RCS/HLA prison camp so dangerous leading to all of the crimes committed there.
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Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
9/1/2010
9/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this visit on September 1, 2010 was to investigate 86273. A subsequent visit was
conducted on September 9, 2010.
R 0801 290-2-5-.08(2) Administration and Organization.
SS=D
Program Description and Implementation. In accordance with these rules and regulations, a licensed child caring
institution shall develop, implement and comply with written policies and procedures that describe the range of
services including room, board
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to develop and comply with policies
and procedures as to how services will be provided by the facility;
Wow. Operating without policies or not following policies is probably what makes RCS/HLA prison camp so dangerous leading to all of the crimes committed there.
Oh No!!! they should go to jail, they failed to follow their own policies, someone call the poice!!! Ha,Ha,Ha this place must be a prison where crimes are committed. We are all so scarred. lol
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Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
Findings Include:
(1) Review of the record of eighteen year-old Resident #1 on September 9, 2010 revealed that the
agency failed to obtain a criminal background check.
(2) E-mail correspondence with Staff DD on 09/16/2010 at 8:32 am revealed that there were 23
other residents who lived or had lived at the facility since January 1, 2010. Staff DD
acknowledged that criminal background checks had not been obtained on any of these residents.
Wow, no policies or procedures, improper use of punishments, and no background checks on the inmates residing at the facility. They could be pedophiles, rapists, murderers, arsonists or whatever. I find it really hard to believe that RCS/HLA prison camp can provide "services" for inmates about whom they know pretty much nothing.
It's obvious dangerous criminals are roaming the facility with bascially no supervision, as evidenced by all of the assaults, sexual assaults, beatings, batteries, theft and other various ans sundry crimes.
This place is no "school." It's a poorly run detention center.
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Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, October 30, 2010
Findings Include:
(1) Review of the record of eighteen year-old Resident #1 on September 9, 2010 revealed that the
agency failed to obtain a criminal background check.
(2) E-mail correspondence with Staff DD on 09/16/2010 at 8:32 am revealed that there were 23
other residents who lived or had lived at the facility since January 1, 2010. Staff DD
acknowledged that criminal background checks had not been obtained on any of these residents.
Wow, no policies or procedures, improper use of punishments, and no background checks on the inmates residing at the facility. They could be pedophiles, rapists, murderers, arsonists or whatever. I find it really hard to believe that RCS/HLA prison camp can provide "services" for inmates about whom they know pretty much nothing.
It's obvious dangerous criminals are roaming the facility with bascially no supervision, as evidenced by all of the assaults, sexual assaults, beatings, batteries, theft and other various ans sundry crimes.
This place is no "school." It's a poorly run detention center.
Oh No!! paperwork abuse!! Ha,Ha,Ha, The paperwork is abusing the children, what a terrible place to be, someone please call the police they are breaking the law. lol
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I guess these dangerous inmates about whom the prison camp knows nothing, doesn't supervise and who roam the facilty freely have ample opportunity to commit serious and vicious crimes like this. This place is scary.
Students charged with assault, robbery of teacher
By Matt Aiken
Published:
Wednesday, December 1, 2010 9:29 AM EST
A pair of Ridge Creek Academy students will face charges of aggravated assault and armed robbery after they allegedly attacked a counselor, stole her car and fled from deputies in an early morning escape attempt from the Camp Wahsega Road therapeutic boarding school last week.
Officials from the Lumpkin County Sheriff's Office said Sydney Vaughn and Lucrezia Albegiani, both 17 years old, developed a detailed plan to overpower their night-time counselor Debra Page and then flee to Atlanta early Friday morning.
“They were conspiring to leave campus and steal one of the staff member's vehicles after assaulting her,” said Investigator Ellis Childress. “They did so.”
It was a few hours after midnight when the two girls reportedly rose from bed and began to strike up a conversation with their counselor. When Page turned her back, Vaughn reportedly grabbed a nearby lamp and struck her on the head with it, said officials.
Albegiani then allegedly put her counselor in a choke hold.
Page, who was still conscious, reportedly told the students to take what they wanted from her.
“They took her keys, her radio and her purse and left,” Childress said.
The pair then reportedly jumped into Page's Toyota 4-Runner and drove away with Vaughn at the wheel.
Page then alerted a nighttime counselor at the boys' dorm who called 911 and reported the incident as a runaway juvenile and stolen vehicle.
By the time the suspects had traveled the eight miles to the Highway 19 Bypass two LCSO patrol cars were turning onto Camp Wahsega Road.
When the deputies signaled from them to pull over Vaughn reportedly sped up to about 70 miles per hour, ran right through the intersection and drove the vehicle into the side of Dahlonega Automotive.
“They hit a propane tank damaging the tank and the well cap,” Childress said.
The volatile liquid leaked into the parking lot but did not ignite. The students were then taken to Chestatee Regional Hospital for precautionary purposes.
Since the incident was not reported as an attack it was only after talking to the suspects that investigators discovered what had taken place at the boarding school, said Childress.
“They said they weren't going to kill her. They were just going to hurt her real bad and they were going to take her car and go down to Atlanta,” he said.
Instead Vaughn and Albegiani were taken to Lumpkin County Detention Center.
Albegiani, of Lemont, Ill., has since been charged with aggravated assault, armed robbery, second degree criminal damage to property and conspiracy to commit aggravated assault and armed robbery.
Vaughn, of State College, Pa., faces the same charges as well as a slew of traffic related offenses.
On Monday, Sheriff Stacy Jarrard said the LCSO is occasionally called to the boarding school, formerly known as Hidden Lake Academy, to assist with runaway juveniles but the incidents usually aren't of this level of violence.
“I don't know of anything since I've been sheriff that has been this bad,” he said. “ ... I'm just glad the the officers that were responding made contact with the victim's vehicle and got them stopped, not only for the welfare of the victim but also for the welfare of the two girls.”
Ridge Creek Academy founder Len Buccellato said he had no comment on the incident.
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I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day. The Solo was a 24 hour period where students slept in individual tents, closely monitored by staff. Students could not talk to other students but could talk to staff any time they wanted...this was about self-control, learning to delay gratification and having time to reflect about what behaviors they did that got them sent to intervention. Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors. Each day students engaged in therapeutic groups, community projects and worked on academics and therapeutic assignments and learned how to hold each other accountable. As you can tell i am a big believer in the power of outdoor therapeutic programs! Many students returning from those interventions made huge progress behaviorally even after only 7 days and many of them have continued on that path of sucess. Also know that the interventions occured during warm months.
Though many a shadey thing has happened on that campus the staff members who work directly with the students are good people who during my time there made the best effort they could to support students given their limited training and supports. The biggest limitations to the program are the decision makers and higher-ups in Administration.
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ok...I will get off my soap box now!
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I agree that they want to avoid regulation altogether. Even when they are regulated they still abuse, neglect and kill kids regularly. It's sad. Without regulation it would be much, much worse.
I'm glad this thread is growing rapidly so that people who Google "RCS" will get this hit right at the top and be warned of the terrible track record of this facility and the dangerous inmates it houses without supervision. People should know about it.
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I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous!
I have to agree with you and can see why some of these schools want to avoid regulation altogether.
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Let's hope that never happens. At the rate that HLA/RCS abuses its inmates already, I'd be scared to think of what could happen if they knew that nobody was checking.
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Let's hope that never happens. At the rate that HLA/RCS abuses its inmates already, I'd be scared to think of what could happen if they knew that nobody was checking.
OMG! They might misfile something and put all the kids in danger!! lol
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I think the kids and staff are already in danger.
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision.
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I think the kids and staff are already in danger.
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision.
So based on this definition, 99% of all kids in highschool are raped !! OMG!!! Lets wait for the swat team to come in. 2 teenagers had sex with one another.
Its just paper work, DJ. Imagine the number of reports there would be if your local highschool had to write a report everytime one of their students has sex lol.
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It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
In other words, she was raped.
So based on this definition, 99% of all kids in highschool are raped !! OMG!!! Lets wait for the swat team to come in. 2 teenagers had sex with one another.
No one teenaged boy raped a younger girl.
You mean that 99% of highschool students are victims of "unwanted sexual contact"? I'd have to see your stats on that load of BS.
I don't think it's funny that you are making light of this girl being raped by a male inmate. In fact, I find it thoroughly disgusting and shows you have a really sick mind. You need help, man. Look at what you are posting.
You have previously described another poster's rape at the tender age of 7 years old as "unprotected sex" as well. Maybe you should educate yourself about what rape is and what a serious crime it is. Your comments are disgusting.
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You mean that 99% of highschool students are victims of "unwanted sexual contact"? I'd have to see your stats on that load of BS.
I don't think it's funny that you are making light of this girl being raped by a male inmate. In fact, I find it thoroughly disgusting and shows you have a really sick mind. You need help, man. Look at what you are posting.
It was not rape,DJ. Read the report and check the local newspapers. The state would have reported it. You are starting to get desperate and lying again.
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Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
This fits the definition of rape.
Rape is defined as "the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual relations." This girl already said it was "unwelcome" so she obvioulsy was forced. Are you really this ignorant or do you have some history with this type of crime that you're trying to rationalize?
Plus, we already know that HLA/RCS prison camp doesn't report crimes to the police. They cover them up, as evidenced by the LCSO statement that they didn't know a counselor was assaulted with a lamp to the head because the prison only reported a "runaway" and never told them about the battery/attempted murder.
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Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
This fits the definition of rape.
Rape is defined as "the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual relations." This girl already said it was "unwelcome" so she obvioulsy was forced. Are you really this ignorant or do you have some history with this type of crime that you're trying to rationalize?
Plus, we already know that HLA/RCS prison camp doesn't report crimes to the police. They cover them up, as evidenced by the LCSO statement that they didn't know a counselor was assaulted with a lamp to the head because the prison only reported a "runaway" and never told them about the battery/attempted murder.
But you were not there, DJ. The ORS did not define it as rape only you did. Are you saying we should not believe the report? If a child was raped the ORS would report it that way, they understand the definition of rape probably better than you and I do.
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Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
This fits the definition of rape.
Rape is defined as "the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual relations." This girl already said it was "unwelcome" so she obvioulsy was forced. Are you really this ignorant or do you have some history with this type of crime that you're trying to rationalize?
The report state "sexual activity". There was no mention of physical force. Sexual activity could be that he exposed himself to her or masturbated in front of her. Maybe she invited him in and was caught and now feels embarrassed or does not want to get punished for breaking the rules. Maybe she doesnt want her parents to think she was having sex.. etc. But the only one who mentions rape is you, DJ.
You are an obvious disgruntled ex-employee who still holds anger towards the program which rejected you and you spend your years trying to get even and you will never satisfy your rage and drive because the program will continue on just fine without you. You dont matter to them and they probably dont even remember you. The information you post is almost always false or embellished just like this view of rape. This is obvious even to first time readers. Your energy and rage never match the events.
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So John, when can we expect to see that 99% stat from you? While you're evading that, tell us what you would term an "unwanted sexual act" as? Also I'm wondering why you would stupidly classify not conducting criminal back round checks on what RC classifies as "troubled teens" is merely a paper work issue, and not a safety one. Let us know Johnny.
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So John, when can we expect to see that 99% stat from you? While you're evading that, tell us what you would term an "unwanted sexual act" as? Also I'm wondering why you would stupidly classify not conducting criminal back round checks on what RC classifies as "troubled teens" is merely a paper work issue, and not a safety one. Let us know Johnny.
Unwanted sexual act could be flirting, exposing himself etc. (which is wrong) but does not constitute rape as DJ implies.
As far as the background check goes. Lets say you have a student who was in the program for 14 months and then he turns 18 years old. On that day you need to perform a background check on him because all residents need to have a background check done if they are over 18 years of age. The kid turned 18 and they didnt do the check. What would they find? anything under 18 years of age would be sealed and all his time after 18 years of age was spent at RCS. Its a formality basically. They know the kids better than anyone else at that point.
I believe it is a good requirement, but doing background checks on students who turned 18 while in the program is not that critical in my opinion. since the background check takes time there will always be a period of time where they are in non compliance from when he turns 18 until the time they get the results back.
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Well, show us one prison which sends their prisoners to wilderness for fighting
Who said they did John? Provide a link.
The readers know that you and DJ/troll control are full of crap,
Based on what John? Still believe you can read minds? No matter, provide a link John. Meanwhile keep in mind you've been caught in countless lies. What must the readers think of you?
prisons dont do that they lock the prisoners down and further isolate them. You guys just make up whatever suits you at the time
Like what Johnny? Be specific and provide links. While you're evading that you should be made aware of the fact that HLA did lock kids up, and did isolate them. I personally experienced this, and I witnessed numerous other kids suffering the same punishment. They even had a little empty cabin off the main entrance road over by Susie Bullfrogs house built for that very purpose. Remember Johnny, we were there, you were not, our testimony will forever carry more weight than yours. The only time you were ever there is when you dropped off the son you didn't murder.
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Well, show us one prison which sends their prisoners to wilderness for fighting
Who said they did John? Provide a link.
We were taking about ORS writing up RCS for sending a child to wilderness for fighting and DJ indicated that it was like being in prison. From what I have read about prisons typically further isolate inmates who engage in fighting.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389724#p389724)
Eight days of wilderness for a fight? That doesn't seem like the punishment a "regular high school kid" would get for fighting. Maybe a one or two day suspension. This juvenile prison uses methods that are very harsh and outside the law according to the official reports.
This is more like a prison camp than a school.
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Like what Johnny? Be specific and provide links. While you're evading that you should be made aware of the fact that HLA did lock kids up, and did isolate them. I personally experienced this, and I witnessed numerous other kids suffering the same punishment. They even had a little empty cabin off the main entrance road over by Susie Bullfrogs house built for that very purpose. Remember Johnny, we were there, you were not, our testimony will forever carry more weight than yours. The only time you were ever there is when you dropped off the son you didn't murder.
You were there 3 weeks, Bruce, the rest you just make up or take from other people stories who actually did some work to straighten themselves out.
You didnt provide one link in you post by the way.
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Again you are lying (caught in a big one this time, Bobby) and this further supports that you just make up whatever suits you that day. Here is an account of a staff person from RCS just a few pages back:
Pay closer attention Johnny. The year I spent locked up in HLA was several years prior to Ridge Creek even existing. The situation the staff member is describing hadn't even been created yet. Therefore any claim by you made insisting that my experiences at HLA are somehow invalidated by the statements made by a staffer at a seperate program more than a decade later would be pointless and stupid.
Whoops Johnny, looks like you're bust again.
You mean, DJ and yourself, yes We do agree here.
On what?
The difference between your account, DJ's and myself is that I provide links to support my facts.
Which ones? Also when can I look forward to more links from you? I've been asking you to provide them for quite a long time. So far you've come up empty.
I just exposed several lies you and DJ told to the readers in the last 2 posts.
Which lies? You were confused Johnny, and ended up looking foolish again because you didnt check your facts first. Nothing new.
The absence of links on your end and the presence of links on my end always gets you guys in trouble.
When did that happen? In truth you normally just to link to some random posting that in no way corroborates yowhatever current lie you're telling. I don't know if that' something you really want to brag about Johnny.
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Unwanted sexual act could be flirting, exposing himself etc. (which is wrong) but does not constitute rape as DJ implies.
As far as the background check goes. Lets say you have a student who was in the program for 14 months and then he turns 18 years old. On that day you need to perform a background check on him because all residents need to have a background check done if they are over 18 years of age. The kid turned 18 and they didnt do the check. What would they find? anything under 18 years of age would be sealed and all his time after 18 years of age was spent at RCS. Its a formality basically. They know the kids better than anyone else at that point.
I believe it is a good requirement, but doing background checks on students who turned 18 while in the program is not that critical in my opinion. since the background check takes time there will always be a period of time where they are in non compliance from when he turns 18 until the time they get the results back.
And the six other girls who made the same complaint against the same kid, were they just flirting as well? The truth is Johnny, you don't know what happened, other than it was something worth reporting, and something the ORS agent felt it worth writing up. That sounds like it might be a little more than flirting.
As far as backround checks go, remember that letter from Clarke Poole? Remember that kid he mentioned, the Hanibal Lector, whom I believe raped his little sister. I wonder if a backround check would have been a good idea with him. What do you think?
Of course no matter how heinous the incident might be you will forever attempt to water it down in an effort to not scare off parents or investors due to your fiduciary interest. Right buddy?
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Again you are lying (caught in a big one this time, Bobby) and this further supports that you just make up whatever suits you that day. Here is an account of a staff person from RCS just a few pages back:
Pay closer attention Johnny. The year I spent locked up in HLA was several years prior to Ridge Creek even existing.
The 3 weeks you spent at HLA, you mean. Lets not move past this right now Bruce. We both know that you are lying and the readers are not going to buy it. You told me a story about how you kicked a staff person in the face and ran away and the police picked you up. This was after being there 3 weeks. You never had to endure anything at HLA. you never applied yourself and your MO has always been to run away. You have since edited your post and I understand why.
I received confirmation from someone who knew you from HLA.
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You were there 3 weeks, Bruce,
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to provide a link. :seg:
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the rest you just make up or take from other people stories who actually did some work to straighten themselves out
Provide a link to someone who claims to have been "straightened out" at HLA.
You didnt provide one link in you post by the way.
To what Johnny? Be specific now son.
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And the six other girls who made the same complaint against the same kid, were they just flirting as well?
Read the complaint. they witnessed it as well. It was resident #11 that was involved.
The truth is Johnny, you don't know what happened, other than it was something worth reporting, and something the ORS agent felt it worth writing up. That sounds like it might be a little more than flirting.
exactly, I think we can agree here, The ORS never said anyone was raped. thank you, Bruce.
As far as backround checks go, remember that letter from Clarke Poole? Remember that kid he mentioned, the Hanibal Lector, whom I believe raped his little sister. I wonder if a backround check would have been a good idea with him. What do you think?
We can talk about Columbine too if you like, Bruce. what is your point? I agree that every kid that turns 18 should have a background check done on him/her. but there is going to be some time of non compliance until the work gets done and it is not a critical item in my opinion.
Of course no matter how heinous the incident might be you will forever attempt to water it down in an effort to not scare off parents or investors due to your fiduciary interest. Right buddy?
Oh, yea I forgot, everyone has an agenda. yours is spending your life trying to get back at HLA because you ran away while all the other people got the help they needed and moved on with their lives while you are stuck here on fornits crying all day. Mine is you think I get paid for post here. That sounds credible? lol
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The lesson learned here is that the ORS inspectors are professionals and they were there for the interviews. If they felt someone was raped they would have called the police right then and there. But they didn’t. We need to keep in mind the backgrounds of DJ/control Troll and Robert Bruce:
Both Robert Bruce and Dysfunction Junction self admittedly failed at HLA and are obviously still frustrated by this. Bruce refused to be accountable for his actions and subsequently ran away after a few weeks and Dysfunction Junction was fired when they found out he lied on his application, he was previously arrested and convicted for selling drugs to kids which was a felony.
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The 3 weeks you spent at HLA, you mean.
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to post a link. :seg:
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The 3 weeks you spent at HLA, you mean.
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to post a link. :seg:
You edited it out remember? but I got confirmation from someone who knew you at HLA.
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Lets not move past this right now Bruce.
So you're finally going to back up your lie Johnny? It's about time.
We both know that you are lying and the readers are not going to buy it.
How do you know I'm lying Johnny? You've provided zero evidence so far. Also at what age did you begin to think you could read people's minds? Just curious.
You told me a story about how you kicked a staff person in the face and ran away and the police picked you up.
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to provide a link. :seg:
This was after being there 3 weeks.
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to provide a link. :seg:
You never had to endure anything at HLA. you never applied yourself and your MO has always been to run away
Whoops. Looks like you forgot to provide a link. :seg:
You have since edited your post and I understand why.
Because you're a liar who routinely edits his post in an attempt to cover up the truth. We all know that already John. In the meantime if this edited posts exist as you claim, you should have no trouble finding it, and linking to it. Get on it now Johnny.
I received confirmation from someone who knew you from HLA.
You mean this confirmation?
Re: John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
by Whooter » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:39 am
Guest wrote:
John calls everyone who nails his ass to the wall "Bruce"
Its Still......Wiggle, wiggle, Bruce, as thewho would say. You have been owned for years by this guy and you just cant let it go. I have watched this guy string you along and make you jump thru hoops, Bruce. The last straw was when he got the ear of a staff member from HLA and found out you had issues about being a coward.
You should try to change your writting style if you really expect to fool anyone.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=348141&hilit=hla#p348128
There's you telling on yourself for a blatent HIPPA violation John (something you later lied about). Discussing personal information about a former student with a staffer. Never a good idea John. You shouldn't have let yourself be FunctionJunctions stoolie. You did his dirty work for him, and in the end they never even had the right person to begin with. You just looked stupid on every front Johnny, and you came out a liar.
Oh and just as a forewarning, I'm not going to get tired of holding you accountable. I know you hate it, but I truly find it to be hilarious. This isn't going to stop John, until you get banned for good. Just letting you know.
Also you may want to familiarize yourself with the phrases, "kicked his ass" and "kicked his teeth in". You're having trouble keeping your lies straight and learning something may help you in your day to day life in the future.
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You edited it out remember? but I got confirmation from someone who knew you at HLA.
The staffer from HLA you mean. Yeah, they had the wrong guy John, I told you that years ago. In any event go ahead and link to this edited post you claim exists.
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Oh and just as a forewarning, I'm not going to get tired of holding you accountable. I know you hate it, but I truly find it to be hilarious. This isn't going to stop John, until you get banned for good. Just letting you know.
Why would you start to get tired now? I'll be here long after you are banned, but you could still email me if you like.
Also you may want to familiarize yourself with the phrases, "kicked his ass" and "kicked his teeth in". You're having trouble keeping your lies straight and learning something may help you in your day to day life in the future.
They are both painful and I doubt I would lie about either one of them. Kicking you ass could mean the actual physical act or just winning a race or a debate. Kicking his teeth in is typically just a physical act and does not carry a metaphorical meaning that I am aware of. So I believe I am familiar enough with both of them to carry myself through a conversation.
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John now that you've been sufficently shamed and exposed as a liar once again I'm going to give you your one warning. Stay on topic. Do not attempt to derail this thread with your lies and sad attempts at personal attacks. This is the only time I'm going to say this to you. This thread is dedicated to discussing Ridge Creek and the ORS violations. Nothing else. Keep the rest of your garbage restricted to either OFFA or your garbage depot. If you attempt to derail the conversation again you will be banned.
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John now that you've been sufficently shamed and exposed as a liar once again I'm going to give you your one warning. Stay on topic. Do not attempt to derail this thread with your lies and sad attempts at personal attacks. This is the only time I'm going to say this to you. This thread is dedicated to discussing Ridge Creek and the ORS violations. Nothing else. Keep the rest of your garbage restricted to either OFFA or your garbage depot. If you attempt to derail the conversation again you will be banned.
Are you mentally ill? You just wrote 4 threads on yourself and how you think I am John Reubn. lol I could not derail this thread anymore than you just did if I tried. Since when did you gain the authority to ban anyone? If you cannot lay off the attacks then move it to the OFFA.
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Back on Topic:
I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous!
I have to agree with you and can see why some of these schools want to avoid regulation altogether.
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I'll go ahead and respond to this since you got it in before my warning. You may respond to my comments in either OFFA or John Reubens Garbage Depot.
Why would you start to get tired now? I'll be here long after you are banned, but you could still email me if you like.
:roflmao: What is it you think I'll be banned for Johnny? It's ironic coming you considering you've been banned already three times, and you had to cry and beg to be allowed back on, plus you may end up being banned permanetly in short order.
They are both painful and I doubt I would lie about either one of them. Kicking you ass could mean the actual physical act or just winning a race or a debate. Kicking his teeth in is typically just a physical act and does not carry a metaphorical meaning that I am aware of. So I believe I am familiar enough with both of them to carry myself through a conversation
I imagine you could fill whole libraries with the things you aren't aware of. That aside, you probably should familiarize yourself with the phrase. Again, if you can't even keep your own lies straight, you're only embarrassing yourself further.
Now that that's said and done you would be wise (first time for everything) to heed my warning. Stay on topic. Last time I'm telling you Johnny.
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I'll go ahead and respond to this since you got it in before my warning. You may respond to my comments in either OFFA or John Reubens Garbage Depot.
Why would you start to get tired now? I'll be here long after you are banned, but you could still email me if you like.
:roflmao: What is it you think I'll be banned for Johnny? It's ironic coming you considering you've been banned already three times, and you had to cry and beg to be allowed back on, plus you may end up being banned permanetly in short order.
They are both painful and I doubt I would lie about either one of them. Kicking you ass could mean the actual physical act or just winning a race or a debate. Kicking his teeth in is typically just a physical act and does not carry a metaphorical meaning that I am aware of. So I believe I am familiar enough with both of them to carry myself through a conversation
I imagine you could fill whole libraries with the things you aren't aware of. That aside, you probably should familiarize yourself with the phrase. Again, if you can't even keep your own lies straight, you're only embarrassing yourself further.
Now that that's said and done you would be wise (first time for everything) to heed my warning. Stay on topic. Last time I'm telling you Johnny.
You are a strange little fellow Bruce, still trying to derail the thread? Even after your own warning tsk,tsk,tsk. I think we should ban you.
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Back on topic. We were talking about wilderness:
I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day. The Solo was a 24 hour period where students slept in individual tents, closely monitored by staff. Students could not talk to other students but could talk to staff any time they wanted...this was about self-control, learning to delay gratification and having time to reflect about what behaviors they did that got them sent to intervention. Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors. Each day students engaged in therapeutic groups, community projects and worked on academics and therapeutic assignments and learned how to hold each other accountable. As you can tell i am a big believer in the power of outdoor therapeutic programs! Many students returning from those interventions made huge progress behaviorally even after only 7 days and many of them have continued on that path of sucess. Also know that the interventions occured during warm months.
Though many a shadey thing has happened on that campus the staff members who work directly with the students are good people who during my time there made the best effort they could to support students given their limited training and supports. The biggest limitations to the program are the decision makers and higher-ups in Administration.
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ok...I will get off my soap box now!
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It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
In other words, she was raped.
So based on this definition, 99% of all kids in highschool are raped !! OMG!!! Lets wait for the swat team to come in. 2 teenagers had sex with one another.
No one teenaged boy raped a younger girl.
You mean that 99% of highschool students are victims of "unwanted sexual contact"? I'd have to see your stats on that load of BS.
I don't think it's funny that you are making light of this girl being raped by a male inmate. In fact, I find it thoroughly disgusting and shows you have a really sick mind. You need help, man. Look at what you are posting.
You have previously described another poster's rape at the tender age of 15 years old as "unprotected sex" as well. Maybe you should educate yourself about what rape is and what a serious crime it is. Your comments are disgusting.
Whooter, you really should educate yourself about what sexual assault is. It isn't "flirting," bro.
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Whooter, you really should educate yourself about what sexual assault is. It isn't "flirting," bro.
ahem...no one mentioned "Sexual assault" in the report and the report never mentioned rape either. You lied about that to the readers once again and I had to clear that up for you. We can agree that no rape was mentioned, no sexual assault was mentioned. You just made that up because you have an agenda against the school because they fired you for selling drugs, lets be honest.
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Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.
That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Are you serious John??? You're actually trying to use your own comments as evidence for a lie about someone else? Your argument now is "because I said so" And then you expect people to believe it???
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Let me ask you something John, when you graduated high school did they hand out a superlative for "Most likely to remain an arrogant pompus douche bag for the rest of his life" award? If so I have a strong feeling you've still got that trophy somewhere.
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So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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Your lies about DJ being fired or claims of a criminal past are an attempt at an attack. You just aren't very good at it, because everyone knows you only do that when you've been shamed by someone, as it happens so often.
Now then my question to you stands, do you know what incident reported refers to? Specifically.
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Your lies about DJ being fired or claims of a criminal past are an attempt at an attack. You just aren't very good at it, because everyone knows you only do that when you've been shamed by someone, as it happens so often.
You should ask DJ if he thinks they are attacks or not. I dont think he has a problem with informing the readers about the specifics of a person who is posting and does not view them as attacks. DJ and I have discussed the definition of attacks earlier.
Now then my question to you stands, do you know what incident reported refers to? Specifically.
I only know what we all know Bruce and that is what the report says.
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You should ask DJ if he thinks they are attacks or not. I dont think he has a problem with informing the readers about the specifics of a person who is posting and does not view them as attacks. DJ and I have discussed the definition of attacks earlier.
Yet your specifics are not true. So what does that make them?
I only know what we all know Bruce and that is what the report says.
Correct. So perhaps it would be more prudent for you to simply say you don't know what happened, rather than assuming that you do and dismissing it out of hand.
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Yet your specifics are not true. So what does that make them?
Link?
Correct. So perhaps it would be more prudent for you to simply say you don't know what happened, rather than assuming that you do and dismissing it out of hand.
Read the report and then ask yourself why DJ lied when he states that the girl was raped. We are all reading the same information. I am just saying that for DJ to say that she was raped has its motives in trying to make the school look bad. The only known motive for this, in my opinion, would be because he is a disgruntled ex-employee. Why else would he lie? Can you state another motive?
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Link?
To your lies? Sure.
Whooter wrote:
You just made that up because you have an agenda against the school because they fired you for selling drugs, lets be honest.
I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30956&start=285
I'll look forward to you backing up your lies concerning DJ.
Read the report and then ask yourself why DJ lied when he states that the girl was raped. We are all reading the same information. I am just saying that for DJ to say that she was raped has its motives in trying to make the school look bad. The only known motive for this, in my opinion, would be because he is a disgruntled ex-employee. Why else would he lie? Can you state another motive?
You say this as if you don't have motives to make the program look good. All we know is that something occured that was serious enough for the ORS agent to feel it warranted being written up in the report. Whether that was rape or not we don't know, but it's probably safe to say that it wasn't flirting. Why would that be written up? As for DJ's motives the term 'disgruntled' is thrown around by your kiddie abusing friends as often as they use the term 'Oppositional Defiance Disorder'. It gets used so often it loses all meaning. All it really translates to from them now is someone who was has first hand experience (not you)) with these places, and then chooses to tell the truth about how abusive they are. Since you have no real information that might suggest why you think DJ might be disgruntled then his motivations might be just like the rest of (aside from you) we want the truth about these places to come to light.
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Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.
That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?
If I attacked anyone, I apologize, I didnt see any attacks in the last several posts. As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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Here's the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
definition (http://http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+activity)
So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse." We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter. Read it carefully and try to understand what it means. It's the definition of "rape."
Like I said, Whooter, educate yourself before you take extreme positions like this and expose yourself not only as an extremist, but also a liar. Not good.
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It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know. The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred There are so many other possibilities.
Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.
Link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_activity)
So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.
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So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.
So to come out and say the girl was flirting is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, John, in an effrot to try and make the school look good because of your fiduciary interest.
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Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.
That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?
If I attacked anyone, I apologize, I didnt see any attacks in the last several posts. As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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Here's the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
definition (http://http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+activity)
So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse." We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter. Read it carefully and try to understand what it means. It's the definition of "rape."
Like I said, Whooter, educate yourself before you take extreme positions like this and expose yourself not only as an extremist, but also a liar. Not good.
Lol, Whooter. I guess The Dictionary also used to work at HLA and was fired and because it's disgruntled now it changed its definition of "sexual activity" to support its agenda.
I'll go with The Dictionary on this one, Whooter.
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So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.
So to come out and say the girl was flirting is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, John, in an effrot to try and make the school look good because of your fiduciary interest.
I never drew a conclusion, Bruce. What we all need to do is look at the report, as written, and not try to draw conclusions that are not supported by facts. Sometimes I see yourself and DJ draw some outratious conclusions based on very little information like this report from ORS.
Saying that the girl was raped is a lie and is obviously driven by the fact that DJ was fired from HLA when they found he had a felony conviction for selling drugs to kids. He admitted this himself and this is not intended to be an attack of any type. I just think the readers need to be informed.
If I came out and said the girl was only flirting then this would be a lie also, but I never said that.
Here is what DJ said:
"This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision".
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389860#p389860)
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I never drew a conclusion, Bruce. What we all need to do is look at the report, as written, and not try to draw conclusions that are not supported by facts.
Like suggesting the girl was flirting. All that time wasted just because you still don't know how to use a dictionary.
I see yourself and DJ draw some outratious conclusions based on very little information like this report from ORS.
Please link to the concluscions you believe I made regarding this ORS report.
Saying that the girl was raped is a lie and is obviously driven by the fact that DJ was fired from HLA when they found he had a felony conviction for selling drugs to kids. He admitted this himself and this is not intended to be an attack of any type. I just think the readers need to be informed
He admitted he was fired from HLA? By all means provide the link showing proof of this John, otherwise it's just another one of your lies.
If I came out and said the girl was only flirting then this would be a lie also, but I never said that.
Here you are
Unwanted sexual act could be flirting exposing himself etc.
Again, because you don't understand how to use a dictionary you attempted to down play the incident and pretend RC was a safe environment by speculating that the incident in question was merely flirting.
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You can try to change the subject, Bruce, but the ORS report never stated that anyone was raped yet:
Here is what DJ said:
"This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision".
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389860#p389860)
Why would someone say this? Why would a guy who was fired from HLA after it was revealed that he had a felony conviction for selling drugs try to make the business that fired him look bad? Hmmm. Do you see what I mean?
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And why would someone who has a fiduciary interest to HLA try and lie and downplay the incident as merely flirting? Do you see what I mean?
By the way I'm still waiting on you to provide some sort of evidence to back up your lie that DJ was ever fired from HLA. Chances are however you won't.
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And why would someone who has a fiduciary interest to HLA try and lie and downplay the incident as merely flirting? Do you see what I mean?
I provided a link to what DJ stated. You cannot provide a link which shows I stated the girl was flirting. I believe I said sexual activity could be flirting, masturbation ect. I later produced a link which gives a wide definition from having sex to flirting. But my point is that the ORS report doesnt say specifically either way whether the kids had sex or not.
DJ lied about this. My belief is that he was motivated to lie and mislead the readers because he wants to make RCS look as bad a possible in retaliation for being fired by them when the school found out that he had felony conviction for selling drugs. He was out on his butt without a job which was due to his own actions, but he still needs to blame others for some reason. Maybe it is accountability that he struggles with.
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I provided a link to what DJ stated. You cannot provide a link which shows I stated the girl was flirting. I believe I said sexual activity could be flirting, masturbation ect. I later produced a link which gives a wide definition from having sex to flirting. But my point is that the ORS report doesnt say specifically either way whether the kids had sex or not.
Please provide a link to a definition of uwanted sexual act defined as flirting. The whole point was you were attempting to downplay the incident when you had no basis to do so.
DJ lied about this. My belief is that he was motivated to lie and mislead the readers because he wants to make RCS look as bad a possible in retaliation for being fired by them when the school found out that he had felony conviction for selling drugs. He was out on his butt without a job which was due to his own actions, but he still needs to blame others for some reason. Maybe it is accountability that he struggles with.
And my belief is you were motivated to lie and downplay the incident because of your fidiucary interests. In the meantime I'm still waiting on you to provide some sort of evidence to back up your lie that DJ was fired from HLA. Given that it is consistently you who is afraid to back up his own comments, it looks like it is also you who struggles with accountability.
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Whooter I wonder if it's at all possible for you to simply debate someone, without resorting to attempts at personal attacks or lying about the other person.
That being said, do you happen to know for a fact what the incident was in question that the report refers to?
If I attacked anyone, I apologize, I didnt see any attacks in the last several posts. As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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Here's the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
definition (http://http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+activity)
So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse." We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter. Read it carefully and try to understand what it means. It's the definition of "rape."
Like I said, Whooter, educate yourself before you take extreme positions like this and expose yourself not only as an extremist, but also a liar. Not good.
Lol, Whooter. I guess The Dictionary also used to work at HLA and was fired and because it's disgruntled now it changed its definition of "sexual activity" to support its agenda.
I'll go with The Dictionary on this one, Whooter.
It's actually very clear, RB. The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate. That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."
See the link above.
I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.
RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape. Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement. He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes. He has admitted this before.
Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it. Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.
This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument. He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others. It's called "projection."
If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear. This is not an attack, either. It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.
Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB. We know that. Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better. HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks. There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there. It was pretty common. Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.
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The ORS report never stated that anyone was raped yet DJ made this up:
Here is what DJ said:
"This girl was raped by a male inmate due to lack of supervision".
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=389860#p389860)
Why would someone say this? Why would a guy who was fired from HLA after it was revealed that he had a felony conviction for selling drugs try to make the business that fired him look bad? Hmmm. Do you see what I mean?
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Sexual activity doesnt mean the girl was raped! lol
It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know. The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred There are so many other possibilities.
Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.
Link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_activity)
So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.
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It's actually very clear, RB. The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate. That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."
See the link above.
I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.
RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape. Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement. He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes. He has admitted this before.
Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it. Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.
This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument. He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others. It's called "projection."
If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear. This is not an attack, either. It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.
Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB. We know that. Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better. HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks. There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there. It was pretty common. Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.
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So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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It's actually very clear, RB. The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate. That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."
See the link above.
I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.
RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape. Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement. He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes. He has admitted this before.
Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it. Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.
This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument. He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others. It's called "projection."
If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear. This is not an attack, either. It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.
Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB. We know that. Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better. HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks. There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there. It was pretty common. Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.
We have to go with the language of the report and the dictionary definition of that language. See above for the reasons Whooter would want this definition changed.
He thinks if "rape" were redefined as "flirting" then that would erase his conviction and prison sentence. Unfortunately, arguing on a message board about dictionary definitions won't chnage Whooter's criminal past and sexual proclivities for the little 'uns. I was proud of Whooter when he confessed about this criminal past, but he still seems to think he was innocent. Most people in prison insist they're innocent, too. But that doesn't change Whooter's conviction or his protective custody in an isolation cell in the sex offender wing the prison.
If anyone can think of other reasons why Whooter would try to make up a new definition for "rape" I'm open to hearing it.
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Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document. Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc. there was no specifics mentioned.
So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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It's actually very clear, RB. The report states she was the victim of "unwanted sexual activity" from and older male inmate. That happens to meet the dictionary definition of "rape."
See the link above.
I don't believe ORS is using the "wikipedia" definitions that Whooter provided, lol.
RB, you also have to keep in mind that Whooter is strongly motivated to change the defintion of rape. Earlier in this thread when he was talking about his time in isolation cells while he was in prison, he didn't give you all the details. He wasn't a threat to others and in need of solitary confinement. He was in what's called "protective custody" when he was in prison to protect him from other inmates because of the nature of his crimes. He has admitted this before.
Whooter went to prison because he was convicted of "sexual contact with a child" which he descirbed to the prosecutor as "flirting," but the court saw it differently and put him in prison for it. Each conversation we have here about rape involves Whooter trying to redefine the word because of his previous prison experience.
This is also why he accuses everyone here of "molesting their own kids" when he feels like he lost an argument. He has to live with the fact that this is exactly what he did and went to prison for, so he knows the shame and it causes when people know this about him, so he tries to put that same shame on others. It's called "projection."
If you can think of any other reasons he would lie about this girl's rape and the documentation about it, I'd be interested to hear. This is not an attack, either. It's just what Whooter has already admitted and I think it colors his opinions on the subject.
Of course I was never fired from HLA, RB. We know that. Many HLA employees have posted here before and not one sinle one ever accused me of that - they know better. HLA/RCS intentionally hires people with felony convictions because they consider it "life experience" and we already know from the reports they don't do background checks. There were at least three convicted felons working at HLA when I was there. It was pretty common. Looks like it's still their policy at RCS.
We have to go with the language of the report and the dictionary definition of that language. See above for the reasons Whooter would want this definition changed.
He thinks if "rape" were redefined as "flirting" then that would erase his conviction and prison sentence. Unfortunately, arguing on a message board about dictionary definitions won't change Whooter's criminal past and sexual proclivities for the little 'uns. I was proud of Whooter when he confessed about this criminal past, but he still seems to think he was innocent. Most people in prison insist they're innocent, too. But that doesn't change Whooter's conviction or his protective custody in an isolation cell in the sex offender wing the prison.
If anyone can think of other reasons why Whooter would try to make up a new definition for "rape" I'm open to hearing it.
For some reason I don't think the DHS investigators are using the "wikipedia" definitions of "sexual activity." It's specific language with a specific meaning - "sexual intercourse" - according to the dictionary.
Then we have Whooter's troubled past to consider when we evaluate why he is trying to cover up a rape. Who would benefit from rapes of children going unreported or redefining the word "rape"? Well, rapists, I guess. Considering Whooter's admittied conviction and isolation in the sex offender wing of a prison, I think we can all agree about his personal investment in having "rape" redefined as "flirting" or "masturbation."
No offense, Whooter, but your criminal past weighs heavy in your perception of sex crimes. Like when you say it can't be rape if there was no violence, a gun, a knife, etc. Just because your crimes were committed against kids and you didn't need to get violent to get what you wanted doesn't mean it's not rape in the eyes of the law. I mean, you spent time in prison for it, so I think we all know that. See what I mean?
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Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document. Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc. there was no specifics mentioned.
So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA for selling drugs to kids. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I know Whooter would just refer to "unwelcome sexual activity" as "loving my daughter" or "flirting" but most people don't think that way.
No offense, Whooter, but your criminal past weighs heavy in your perception of sex crimes. Like when you say it can't be rape if there was no violence, a gun, a knife, etc. Just because your crimes were committed against kids and you didn't need to get violent to get what you wanted doesn't mean it's not rape in the eyes of the law. I mean, you spent time in prison for it, so I think we all know that. See what I mean?
The dictionary defines "sexual activity" as simply "sexual intercourse" so the girl's unwanted sexual activity with the older male inmate was rape.
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Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I know Whooter would just refer to "unwelcome sexual activity" as "loving my daughter" or "flirting" but most people don't think that way.
No offense, Whooter, but your criminal past weighs heavy in your perception of sex crimes. Like when you say it can't be rape if there was no violence, a gun, a knife, etc. Just because your crimes were committed against kids and you didn't need to get violent to get what you wanted doesn't mean it's not rape in the eyes of the law. I mean, you spent time in prison for it, so I think we all know that. See what I mean?
The dictionary defines "sexual activity" as simply "sexual intercourse" so the girl's unwanted sexual activity with the older male inmate was rape.
Sorry you are so upset with this DJ. But the State of Georgia disagrees with you and I have to go with the offical report. If you want to reword it and add the word "rape" to the report then that is okay, but you should let the ORS know. lol
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Well, I think it's best to keep discussing this ureported rape at RCS/HLA prison camp because the more we keep it out here in the open the more it climbs up the Google results so people will see it right away. So far it went from not even being hit on the first three pages of results to now being the seventh hit on the first page.
Even though we have to go with the written report about the girl's "unwanted sexual activity" with the "older male inmate" which according to the dictionary, commonly understood to define a language, is rape. If Whooter is unhappy with the dictionary maybe he can bring that up with Mr. Webster to try to get it changed.
In either case, keeping this DHS incident report about unwanted sexual contact between inmates in the largely unsupervised RCS/HLA prison camp visilble to readers is only going to help raise awareness about this dangerous private prison camp for kids. So I'm in favor of continuing this discussion.
The results are similar to when you Google "Behrens study" (http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADSA_enUS408US409&q=behrens+study) and the very first hit shows that the programs in the study neglected, abused and even killed kids and some were shut down for it. It helps the truth be seen first and I'm in favor of that with this topic, too.
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R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
SS=D
This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to report incidents regarding
serious occurrences involving children in care in ten of thirty-five incidents reviewed;
Wow. In almost one third of reportable incidents involving "serious occurrences involving children" which includes items such as "hospitalization, death and suicide attempts" RCS failed even to report the occurences. That is a staggering figure.
How could anyone be comfortable with their child in a facility like this where "serious" things happen to your kid and they don't even make a written record of it, much less report it. That's downright scary!
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Well, I think it's best to keep discussing this ureported rape at RCS/HLA prison camp because the more we keep it out here in the open the more it climbs up the Google results so people will see it right away. So far it went from not even being hit on the first three pages of results to now being the seventh hit on the first page.
Even though we have to go with the written report about the girl's "unwanted sexual activity" with the "older male inmate" which according to the dictionary, commonly understood to define a language, is rape. If Whooter is unhappy with the dictionary maybe he can bring that up with Mr. Webster to try to get it changed.
In either case, keeping this DHS incident report about unwanted sexual contact between inmates in the largely unsupervised RCS/HLA prison camp visilble to readers is only going to help raise awareness about this dangerous private prison camp for kids. So I'm in favor of continuing this discussion.
The results are similar to when you Google "Behrens study" (http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADSA_enUS408US409&q=behrens+study) and the very first hit shows that the programs in the study neglected, abused and even killed kids and some were shut down for it. It helps the truth be seen first and I'm in favor of that with this topic, too.
This is one area where we agree, DJ. The main thing is to raise awareness and to get the facts out to the people. If we can get them to read the studies and the ORS reports then we are doing a service to the readers. Whether you feel it is a rape or other people feel it was something else does not really matter. If people are interested then they look at the original studies and reports themselves and not rely on opinions of people they do not know. This way they get to determine for themselves.
Personally I think you discredit yourself with you interpretation of the ORS report.
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I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation." It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it? It is, in fact, the definition itself. I think most people understand this dichotomy.
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I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation." It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it? It is, in fact, the definition itself. I think most people understand this dichotomy.
You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ. If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right. The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.
The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide. I think this is something we can agree on ... lets get the information to the readers!
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I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation." It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it? It is, in fact, the definition itself. I think most people understand this dichotomy.
You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ. If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right. The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.
The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide. I think this is something we can agree on ... lets get the information to the readers!
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No wonder you're having so much trouble keeping up with this discussion. I figured there must have been some root to the ignorance on display and now I understand it.
Here, let me help you again with a definition:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sexual%20activity)
We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"
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With the issue of rape having been settled properly by the dictionary of all sources, w can move on to why serious incidents aren't recorded by RCS/HLA:
R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
SS=D
This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to report incidents regarding
serious occurrences involving children in care in ten of thirty-five incidents reviewed;
Wow. In almost one third of reportable incidents involving "serious occurrences involving children" which includes items such as "hospitalization, death and suicide attempts" RCS failed even to report the occurences. That is a staggering figure.
How could anyone be comfortable with their child in a facility like this where "serious" things happen to your kid and they don't even make a written record of it, much less report it. That's downright scary!
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Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document. Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc. as I provided a link for earlier, there was no specifics mentioned in the ORS report about Rape.
So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA for selling drugs to kids. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation." It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it? It is, in fact, the definition itself. I think most people understand this dichotomy.
You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ. If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right. The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.
The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide. I think this is something we can agree on ... lets get the information to the readers!
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No wonder you're having so much trouble keeping up with this discussion. I figured there must have been some root to the ignorance on display and now I understand it.
Here, let me help you again with a definition:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sexual%20activity)
We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"
I believe, according to the English language as cited in this dictionary definition, she was raped. The next question here is "why wasn't it reported and had to be discovered by investigation?"
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It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know. The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred There are so many other possibilities.
Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.
Link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_activity)
So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.
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Here, let me help you again with a definition:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sexual%20activity)
We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"
I don't want to be confused on this point because it's very important. I don't believe the DHS is basing their report language on the Wikipedia entry Whooter linked to, but the dictionary is crystal clear on this matter, as was DHS - "Unwelcome sexual activity" is the exact wording they used, which is the definition of "rape."
This shouldn't be minimized. It's a serious matter.
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I understand your thoughts, DJ, here is information I found on the subject and a link to support my position:
It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know. The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred There are so many other possibilities.
Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.
Link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_activity)
So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.
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There's still this pesky English language thing. I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it. You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it. But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts:
I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation." It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it? It is, in fact, the definition itself. I think most people understand this dichotomy.
You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ. If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right. The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.
The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide. I think this is something we can agree on ... lets get the information to the readers!
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No wonder you're having so much trouble keeping up with this discussion. I figured there must have been some root to the ignorance on display and now I understand it.
Here, let me help you again with a definition:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sexual%20activity)
We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"
I believe, according to the English language as cited in this dictionary definition, she was raped. The next question here is "why wasn't it reported and had to be discovered by investigation?"
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There's still this pesky English language thing. I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it. You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it. But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts.
We both agree here that sexual activity can mean a variety of activities from sex, masturbation to flirting. When people read that there were rapes at RCS they will want to look at the report. Then they will understand for themselves. This is part of getting the word out DJ. The same with the Studies. If we can get their attention and put the information under peoples noses so that they can read it for themselves then that is half the battle.
Once they read it for themselves they will make up their own minds.
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There's still this pesky English language thing. I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it. You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it. But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts.
We both agree here that sexual activity can mean a variety of activities from sex, masturbation to flirting. When people read that there were rapes at RCS they will want to look at the report. Then they will understand for themselves. This is part of getting the word out DJ. The same with the Studies. If we can get their attention and put the information under peoples noses so that they can read it for themselves then that is half the battle.
Once they read it for themselves they will make up their own minds.
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No, the dictionary and I agree that "sexual activity" means "sexual intercourse." Maybe you missed that in about ten of my posts?
Only you disagree with the dictionary and the English language.
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Whoops! The ORS disagrees with you DJ. lol
Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document. Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc. as I provided a link for earlier, there was no specifics mentioned in the ORS report about Rape.
So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA for selling drugs to kids. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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There's still this pesky English language thing. I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it. You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it. But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts.
We both agree here that sexual activity can mean a variety of activities from sex, masturbation to flirting. When people read that there were rapes at RCS they will want to look at the report. Then they will understand for themselves. This is part of getting the word out DJ. The same with the Studies. If we can get their attention and put the information under peoples noses so that they can read it for themselves then that is half the battle.
Once they read it for themselves they will make up their own minds.
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No, the dictionary and I agree that "sexual activity" means "sexual intercourse." Maybe you missed that in about ten of my posts?
Only you disagree with the dictionary and the English language.
The DHS actually agrees with me and the dictionary, calling this rape "unwanted sexual activity" which is a synonym of rape.
You cited Wikipedia (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use) which it's own editors claim "Wikipedia is not considered a credible source." And neither is Whooter, so the match is made in ignoramus heaven.
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The DHS actually agrees with me and the dictionary
This is where your thinking went wrong, DJ
Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document. Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc. as I provided a link for earlier, there was no specifics mentioned in the ORS report about Rape.
So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA for selling drugs to kids. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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There's still this pesky English language thing. I understand i's a high hurdle to overcome to be credible, Whooter, but you will have to somehow overcome the dictionary definition and the English language to clear it. You have been unable to do anything but link to Wikipedia which isn't cutting it. But let's keep the story of unreported rapes at RCS at the top of the discussion with some facts.
We both agree here that sexual activity can mean a variety of activities from sex, masturbation to flirting. When people read that there were rapes at RCS they will want to look at the report. Then they will understand for themselves. This is part of getting the word out DJ. The same with the Studies. If we can get their attention and put the information under peoples noses so that they can read it for themselves then that is half the battle.
Once they read it for themselves they will make up their own minds.
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No, the dictionary and I agree that "sexual activity" means "sexual intercourse." Maybe you missed that in about ten of my posts?
Only you disagree with the dictionary and the English language.
I think you may not understand what synonyms are, given your difficulty in understnding what a dictionary is, but that's OK, we don't all have the same level of education.
But "rape" and "unwanted sexual activity" mean the same thing, that is, they're synonyms. Hope that helps.
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I think you may not understand what synonyms are, given your difficulty in understnding what a dictionary is, but that's OK, we don't all have the same level of education.
But "rape" and "unwanted sexual activity" mean the same thing, that is, they're synonyms. Hope that helps.
Finally you figure it out, you were using a thesaurus (not a dictionary). You were referring to synonyms, DJ.
Sexual activity can mean masturbation, foreplay, intercourse, flirting, petting, 1st base, 2nd base, 3rd base etc. etc. If a person had unwanted sexual activity it doesn't mean they were raped. The ORS deals with these definitions every day. If a rape occurred they would have stated it and they did not.
You are the only person trying to change the ORS's words to make RCS look bad. This is because they fired your ass for selling drugs and you were out of a job. Why else would you spend day in and day out attacking this program?
Bottom line is that you cannot change the ORS's record.
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Nope, it's a dictionary. Try reading it again and maybe you'll pick up on that. I noticed you stopped citing your source as well, so I want to remind readers you cited Wikipedia whose own editors claim is not a credible source for your information on sexual activity. Thanks.
But I am glad you agree that "sexual activity" and "sexual intercourse" mean the same thing like both the dictionary and your thesaurus clearly state. So we are over that and we all agree this was a rape.
I can't imagine how you could construe my citing the dictionary definition of "sexual activity" as "interpretation." It's actually quite the opposite of interpretation, now isn't it? It is, in fact, the definition itself. I think most people understand this dichotomy.
You picked one interpretation from a Thesaurus, DJ. If you feel the girl was raped then that is you right. The ORS does not see it that way and either do I.
The main thing is that people get to read the reports and studies for themselves and they can decide. I think this is something we can agree on ... lets get the information to the readers!
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No wonder you're having so much trouble keeping up with this discussion. I figured there must have been some root to the ignorance on display and now I understand it.
Here, let me help you again with a definition:
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/we ... 20activity (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=sexual%20activity)
We can see once more that this is the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun
(n) sexual activity, sexual practice, sex, sex activity (activities associated with sexual intercourse) "they had sex in the back seat"
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Forgot my source:
Link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_activity)
I think you may not understand what synonyms are, given your difficulty in understnding what a dictionary is, but that's OK, we don't all have the same level of education.
But "rape" and "unwanted sexual activity" mean the same thing, that is, they're synonyms. Hope that helps.
Finally you figure it out, you were using a thesaurus (not a dictionary). You were referring to synonyms, DJ.
Sexual activity can mean masturbation, foreplay, intercourse, flirting, petting, 1st base, 2nd base, 3rd base etc. etc. If a person had unwanted sexual activity it doesn't mean they were raped. The ORS deals with these definitions every day. If a rape occurred they would have stated it and they did not.
You are the only person trying to change the ORS's words to make RCS look bad. This is because they fired your ass for selling drugs and you were out of a job. Why else would you spend day in and day out attacking this program?
Bottom line is that you cannot change the ORS's record.
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Forgot my source:
Link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_activity)
I think you may not understand what synonyms are, given your difficulty in understnding what a dictionary is, but that's OK, we don't all have the same level of education.
But "rape" and "unwanted sexual activity" mean the same thing, that is, they're synonyms. Hope that helps.
Finally you figure it out, you were using a thesaurus (not a dictionary). You were referring to synonyms, DJ.
Sexual activity can mean masturbation, foreplay, intercourse, flirting, petting, 1st base, 2nd base, 3rd base etc. etc. If a person had unwanted sexual activity it doesn't mean they were raped. The ORS deals with these definitions every day. If a rape occurred they would have stated it and they did not.
You are the only person trying to change the ORS's words to make RCS look bad. This is because they fired your ass for selling drugs and you were out of a job. Why else would you spend day in and day out attacking this program?
Bottom line is that you cannot change the ORS's record.
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From your source: "Wikipedia is not considered a credible source."
We can't just change the English language to try to rationalize unreported rapes, Whooter, sorry.
I never worked at RCS, so that's a huge problem with your argument. I haven't even been to Georgia in over ten years, so your credibility is a bit shot at this point, buddy.
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From your source: "Wikipedia is not considered a credible source."
Ha,Ha,Ha now you are trying to discredit Wikipedia. Nobody is credible unless they agree with DJ. That was a classic, I needed that.
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No, you're trying to discredit the dictionary by citing wikipedia and wikipedia itself states it is not credible, therefore neither are you or your argument.
From your source: "Wikipedia is not considered a credible source."
Ha,Ha,Ha now you are trying to discredit Wikipedia. Nobody is credible unless they agree with DJ. That was a classic, I needed that.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use)
Oops! There goes your "source." Don't worry, you can always go back to calling people child molesters, that seems to work for you when facts don't.
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No, you're trying to discredit the dictionary by citing wikipedia and wikipedia itself states it is not credible, therefore neither are you or your argument.
From your source: "Wikipedia is not considered a credible source."
Ha,Ha,Ha now you are trying to discredit Wikipedia. Nobody is credible unless they agree with DJ. That was a classic, I needed that.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use)
Oops! There goes your "source." Don't worry, you can always go back to calling people child molesters, that seems to work for you when facts don't.
For academic use, DJ. Again you are trying to mislead the readers. Why do you try to do this all the time? Why not be honest and just state the offical record as it is written by the ORS?
I can see why RCS fired you. You lied about having a felony conviction and you mislead people all the time. You mislead RCS on your employment application.
This is the phrase of the day so far, lol, DJ trys to discredit Wikipedia!
From your source: "Wikipedia is not considered a credible source."
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So when I quote your own source saying it isn't credible, you think it's funny? Huh. Your entire argument just got flushed down the toilet with your "premise" that I worked at RCS which I clearly never did. You're having trouble with truth telling today, as usual.
Wikipedia is not considered a credible source.
Pretty simple, eh, champ? I guess we'll be back to "the dictionary got fired from RCS so it was disgruntled and changed its definitions to suit its agenda" again? Lols. You're out there, buddy.
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I understand your need to discredit every source that disagrees with your thinking, even the ORS lol. But the facts are just not going to go away because they upset you. so back to the ORS report:
It is possible that they had sex, but we dont know. The ORS report did not say that a rape occurred There are so many other possibilities.
Human sexual activities or human sexual practices or human sexual behavior refers to the manner in which humans experience and express their sexuality. People engage in a variety of sexual acts from time to time, and for a wide variety of reasons. Sexual activity normally results in sexual arousal and physiological changes in the aroused person, some of which are pronounced while others are more subtle. The objective of sexual activity in humans is typically to achieve orgasm. Sexual activity also includes conduct and activities which are intended to arouse the sexual interest of another, such as strategies to find or attract partners (mating and display behavior), and personal interactions between individuals, such as flirting and foreplay.
Link (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_activity)
So to come out and say the girl was raped is a lie because the facts are not there to support that conclusion as reported by the ORS report. I think you are a little biased and are jumping to conclusions, DJ, in an effort to try and make the school look bad because of your past experiences and employment history.
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The girl was raped, RCS didn't report it and DHS uncovered that in their investigation. That's what we have so far, yes.
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The girl was raped, RCS didn't report it and DHS uncovered that in their investigation. That's what we have so far, yes.
Someone should tell the ORS! After you let them know pop a link up on the board of their revised report. So far the rape is all in your head DJ. You can try to discredit the DHS if you like and add them to your list for today. No one has mentioned the word rape except you DJ, you are delusional.
You are a comedian today, classic stuff.
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No, you mentioned rape today, too. And you thought it was really funny on top of that. Why would kids being raped with broom handles be a favorite of yours, Whooter? Which other types of rape are your "funny favorites"?
You're just a plain ol' asshole, Who.
The way you're treated by everyone out in the world is the way you're treated here. The common link: You being an arrogant, know-it-all, last word-having, patronizing, condescending asshole.
Hope this helps!
Ha, Ha, Ha... Too funny.... You must have been one of those kids raped with a broom handle in your program (one of my favorites!)... Ha, Ha, Ha...
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I fabricated a Rape.
We know you did DJ, it is amazing the lengths you will go through to try to discredit the school that fired you for selling drugs and falsifying your employment application and hiding a felony conviction.
You even called DHS liars today! lol.
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Rape
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape)
That's rape.
Sexual Activity
noun
activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity)
That's sexual activity.
unwanted...sexual activity
Unwanted sexual activity is unwanted intercourse is rape. The girl was raped.
I hope this has been educational about this rape victim's circumstances at RCS. It is a sad story and could have been avoided with proper supervision. According to the DHS report RCS is inadequately staffed with untrained people.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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Whoops! The ORS disagrees with you DJ. lol You better get to work trying to discredit them !
Sometimes when there is a disagreement it is good to look at the original document. Sexual activity can have many meanings including masturbation, sex, foreplay, flirting etc. as I provided a link for earlier, there was no specifics mentioned in the ORS report about Rape.
So I think we can all agree that the ORS report did not mention that a girl was raped. If a girl had been raped they would have put it in the report, but they did not. DJ just made this up, but why?
As far as the report goes here is a clip:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
I was speculating as to why DJ would make up a lie about any of the above kids being raped at RCS and I believe it is probably due the fact that he is still upset about being fired from HLA for selling drugs to kids. If you can think of another reason he would lie I would be open to your input.
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But they do agree with me, Whooter. It's always good to get back to the basics. Take a look:
Rape
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape)
That's rape.
Sexual Activity
noun
activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity)
That's sexual activity.
unwanted...sexual activity
Unwanted sexual activity is unwanted intercourse is rape. The girl was raped.
I hope this has been educational about this rape victim's circumstances at RCS. It is a sad story and could have been avoided with proper supervision. According to the DHS report RCS is inadequately staffed with untrained people.
Don't shoot the messenger.
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Unwanted sexual activity is unwanted intercourse is rape. The girl was raped.
The state of Georgia disagrees with you. They are professionals and understand what rape is. They didnt call it rape in their report, DJ, and you cannot change that. You cant change their wording.
Your best bet at this point is to try to discredit the DHS.
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Rape
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape)
That's rape.
Sexual Activity
noun
activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity)
That's sexual activity.
unwanted...sexual activity
Unwanted sexual activity is unwanted intercourse is rape. The girl was raped.
I hope this has been educational about this rape victim's circumstances at RCS. It is a sad story and could have been avoided with proper supervision. According to the DHS report RCS is inadequately staffed with untrained people.
Don't shoot the messenger.
DHS agrees with me. It's right in the report - "unwanted sexual activity" was "not reported" and RCS was "not properly staffed" and was cited for it. It's public record now, so there's no sense in denying it, so your only option left is to try to redefine te English language into some Orwellian deal where "raped" means "not raped." I don't think anyone is going for that argument though.
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DHS agrees with me. It's right in the report - "unwanted sexual activity"
Thank you that is what I am saying "unwanted sexual activity". If DHS had determined the girl was raped they would have used the word Rape in their report. But they didnt say that, DJ. We all know this. You cant change the ORS report. It stands as written. You cant fabricate a rape and try to insert it into the ORS report.
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Rape
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape)
That's rape.
Sexual Activity
noun
activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity)
That's sexual activity.
unwanted...sexual activity
Unwanted sexual activity is unwanted intercourse is rape. The girl was raped.
I hope this has been educational about this rape victim's circumstances at RCS. It is a sad story and could have been avoided with proper supervision. According to the DHS report RCS is inadequately staffed with untrained people.
Don't shoot the messenger.
You seemed to have missed the English lesson portion of my post. Let me break it down more simply for you:
Unwanted Sexual Activity = Unwanted Intercourse = Rape
Maybe you can understand it in equation form. Maybe Bruce can explain it to you on the late shift.
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You seemed to have missed the English lesson portion of my post. Let me break it down more simply for you:
Unwanted Sexual Activity = Unwanted Intercourse = Rape
Maybe you can understand it in equation form. Maybe Bruce can explain it to you on the late shift.
Bottom line is DHS disagrees with you, DJ. You can find a yiddish translation that fits the definition if you like but it will not change the wording of the ORS report. They never used the word Rape. You cant change that.
When people read the report they will not read the word rape no matter how hard you try to change it or want it to be there. You need to contact DHS if you want the report to reflect a rape took place. Until that time we need to stick with the report as written and that is that no rape occurred.
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Rape
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape)
That's rape.
Sexual Activity
noun
activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sexual+activity)
That's sexual activity.
unwanted...sexual activity
Unwanted sexual activity is unwanted intercourse is rape. The girl was raped.
I hope this has been educational about this rape victim's circumstances at RCS. It is a sad story and could have been avoided with proper supervision. According to the DHS report RCS is inadequately staffed with untrained people.
Don't shoot the messenger.
You seemed to have missed the English lesson portion of my post. Let me break it down more simply for you:
Unwanted Sexual Activity = Unwanted Intercourse = Rape
Maybe you can understand it in equation form. Maybe Bruce can explain it to you on the night shift. Maybe not.
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Maybe you can understand it in equation form. Maybe Bruce can explain it to you on the night shift. Maybe not.
I will go with the way DHS wrote it up in the official ORS report. You and Bruce can modify your own version to your hearts content and make each other believe a rape occurred. Thats fine with me.
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Check it out. This topic on Fornits (http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0&oq=ridge+creek+sc&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADSA_enUS408US409&q=ridge+creek+school) is now the fourth domain from the top to come up in Google when you search "Ridge Creek School." I bet RCS is thrilled at the publicity Whooter has blessed them with for the Holiday Season!
This is how you leverage Whooter's sickness, people. This topic last week was on the third page of results. Now it's right up front, very prominent and easily accessible by the public. You all can thank Whooter for this SEO based solely on his compulsive behavior.
Google "Behrens study" and tell me what comes up first and how it got there ; )
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Check it out. This topic on Fornits (http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=0&oq=ridge+creek+sc&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADSA_enUS408US409&q=ridge+creek+school) is now the fourth domain from the top to come up in Google when you search "Ridge Creek School." I bet RCS is thrilled at the publicity Whooter has blessed them with for the Holiday Season!
This is how you leverage Whooter's sickness, people. This topic last week was on the third page of results. Now it's right up front, very prominent and easily accessible by the public. You all can thank Whooter for this SEO based solely on his compulsive behavior.
Google "Behrens study" and tell me what comes up first and how it got there ; )
Imagine you post that a pain reliever causes cancer (even though it doesnt). If you get this high enough on the Google search then people will be researching the pain reliever and accessing the studies and reports to find out the deal. They find out the pain reliever is very effective according to the studies. The same with the Behrens Study. It doesnt matter what you and I have to say about it. The main thing is that they will access the study and read it!! lol
The same with the ORS reports. The people will read the reports and decide for themselves if a child was raped or not. No one is going to take the word of 2 anonymous people on the internet.
So it is all good, we are getting the information and facts out to the people.
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John, the fact that you believe sexual activity is defined as flirting suggest you're either an idiot, or you've never actually had sex before. It's a toss up either way.
By the way I'm still waiting on you to back up your lie that DJ was fired from HLA.
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Bruce, Whooter has no facts. He just calls everyone a "child molester" when he loses the argument. He has had sex, but unfortunately, it was with minors and it was unwanted sexual contact leading to Whooter's prison sentence. This is why he wants to redefine "rape" so feels less guilty.
We already established this was a rape and now we moved on to try to figure out why RCS didn't report this rape to the police or DHS, both serious infractions.
R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
SS=D
This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to report incidents regarding
serious occurrences involving children in care in ten of thirty-five incidents reviewed;
Wow. In almost one third of reportable incidents involving "serious occurrences involving children" which includes items such as "hospitalization, death and suicide attempts" RCS failed even to report the occurences. That is a staggering figure.
How could anyone be comfortable with their child in a facility like this where "serious" things happen to your kid and they don't even make a written record of it, much less report it. That's downright scary!
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1) Review on 11/23/2010 at 8:00 am of intake report, submitted on 11/8/2010, revealed that on
11/4/2010 at 10:00am, Resident #1 reported to staff that on 10/29/10 Resident #2 got into his/her
bed and performed a sexual act on him/her. This report stated that Resident #1 said Resident #2
threatened him/her if he/she told anyone.
2) During interview with Staff A on 11/23/2010 at 3:15 pm, he/she stated that this incident was
reported outside the 24 hours requirement because he/she didn't think the incident was
reportable until after the police were involved.
More examples of the efforts of RC staff to sweep blatent safety violation under the rug.
http://http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PQD711.pdf
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Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
11/23/2010
12/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, December 25, 2010
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this survey is to conduct an investigation for self reported incident #GA00089613
and self reported incident #GA00089358.
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
SS=B
Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to submit a detailed written
summary report to the Office of Residential Child Care within 24 hours for one of two incidents
reviewed. #GA89358
Findings Include
1) Review on 11/23/2010 at 8:00 am of intake report, submitted on 11/8/2010, revealed that on
11/4/2010 at 10:00am, Resident #1 reported to staff that on 10/29/10 Resident #2 got into his/her
bed and performed a sexual act on him/her. This report stated that Resident #1 said Resident #2
threatened him/her if he/she told anyone.
2) During interview with Staff A on 11/23/2010 at 3:15 pm, he/she stated that this incident was
reported outside the 24 hours requirement because he/she didn't think the incident was
reportable until after the police were involved.
3) Review on 11/23/2010 at 2:20 pm of Resident #2's Incident Report, dated 10/17/2010, revealed
that he/she grabbed another resident inappropriately because the resident sat on Resident #2's
face without clothing on. This report stated that the other resident was bleeding as a result of
Resident #2 pinching him/her.
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Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
11/23/2010
12/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, December 25, 2010
4) Review on 11/23/2010 at 2:20 pm of Resident #4's incident report, dated 9/3/2010 at 11:15 pm,
revealed that Resident #4 had scratches from his/her wrist to his/her elbow on the inner side of
his/her left forearm. This report stated that Resident #4 said he/she wanted to use glass, but was
on 1:1 supervision all day. According to this report, Resident #4 had done the self harming with
a rock and hid it in his/her underwear. This report stated that a full body search was conducted
and a quarter size rock with blood was recovered. The scratches were cleaned and wrapped.
5) Review on 11/23/2010 of Resident #4's incident report, dated 9/7/2010, revealed that staff
entered the academic building and noticed Resident #4 holding his/her arm and showing signs of
pain. The report indicated that staff noticed Resident #4's forearm was bleeding and Resident #4
stated that he/she picked at scars to reopen his/her wounds. The staff cleaned and bandaged
Resident #4's arms.
6) Review on 12/9/2010 at 9:00 am of Aspen Complaints/Incident Tracking System, revealed that
the 9/3/2010, 9/7/2010, and 10/17/2010 incidents were not reported to the Office of Residential
Child Care.
On 12/9/2010 at 3:19 pm via, Staff A was informed of the citation for not reporting the 9/3/2010,
9/7/2010, and 10/17/2010 incidents.
This tag was previously cited on 9/9/2010.
R 0862 290-2-5-.08(7)(a-g) Staffing.
SS=B
This [detailed written summary] report shall be made regarding serious occurrences involving children in care,
including but not limited to:
(a) Accidents or injuries requiring medical treatment and/or hospitalization;
(b) Death;
(c) Suicide attempts;
(
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More Information Return to Facility Location and Information Guide Return to Inspection Screen
Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
11/23/2010
12/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, December 25, 2010
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to submit a report regarding
serious occurrences involving children in care.
Findings Include
1) Review on 11/23/2010 at 2:20 pm of Resident #4's incident report, dated 9/3/2010 at 11:15 pm,
revealed that Resident #4 had scratches from his/her wrist to his/her elbow on the inner side of
his/her left forearm. This report stated that Resident #4 said he/she wanted to use glass, but was
on 1:1 supervision all day. According to this report Resident #4 had done the self harming with a
rock, which he/she hid in his/her underwear. This report stated that a full body search was
conducted and a quarter size rock with blood was recovered. The scratches were cleaned and
wrapped.
2) Review on 11/23/2010 of Resident #4's incident report, dated 9/7/2010, revealed that Resident
#4 had self harmed. This report stated that Staff entered the academic building and noticed
Resident #4 holding his/her arm and showing signs of pain. The report indicated that the staff
noticed that Resident #4's forearm was bleeding and Resident #4 stated that he/she picked at
scars to reopen his/her wounds.
3) Review on 11/23/2010 at 2:20 pm of Resident #2's Incident Report, dated 10/17/2010, revealed
that he/she inappropriately touched a resident because the resident sat on Resident #2's face
without clothing on. This report stated that the other resident was bleeding as a result of
Resident #2 pinching.
4) Review on 12/9/2010 at 9:00 am of Aspen Complaints/Incident Tracking System, revealed that
the above three incidents were not reported to the Office of Residential Child Care.
On 12/9/2010 at 3:19 pm via email correspondence, Staff A was informed of this citation.
This tag was previously cited on 9/9/2010.
R 9999 Closing Comments.
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Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
11/23/2010
12/9/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Saturday, December 25, 2010
An exit conference was conducted onsite on 11/23/2010 and offsite on 12/9/2010. There were two
citations found during the investigations. There was one citation related to the self reported
incident #GA00089358. There were no citations related to the self reported incident
#GA00089613. The preliminary report was e-mailed on 12/2/2010. The final report was e-mailed on
12/22/2010 and plan of correction is due 1/7/2011.
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When you see reports like this it clearly shows us the benifits of enforcing regulation on these schools. The amount of detail put into the documentation of each incident is amazing. I couldnt imagine a local highschool being kept to these standards of documentation and care. They must record pages and pages of these reports each day.
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All the more reason why public schools are safer, they embrace transperancy and accountability. Meanwhile programs like these still try and resist it. Why wouldn't the school report the incident to the police? Amazing how much you can find out from these reports. Makes you wonder why Buchi and all his NATSAP pals fought tooth and nail for so long against oversite and inspections.
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All the more reason why public schools are safer, they embrace transperancy and accountability. Meanwhile programs like these still try and resist it. Why wouldn't the school report the incident to the police? Amazing how much you can find out from these reports. Makes you wonder why Buchi and all his NATSAP pals fought tooth and nail for so long against oversite and inspections.
I can see why schools fight against having to be regulated and document each event down to every detail.
One of the points I was trying to make was that programs document every event where as public schools do not. Kids cut themselves in public schools all the time and just roll their sleeves down so no one can see it and if a kid grabs another kids ass in the hallway or makes unwanted sexual advances they dont document every case and report it to the police or DHS. I think the inspections and documentation systems are great, I wish more schools had the manpower and could record this much detail and watch the kids this closely.
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I can see why schools fight against having to be regulated and document each event down to every detail.
So you justify programmies attempts to avoid regulation and oversite because you believe a child's safety is not worth the paperwork. That's pretty sick Whooter, although a pretty accurate assesment of how programmies feel.
One of the points I was trying to make was that programs document every event where as public schools do not.
Programs like this one document very little as seen by the earlier violations discussing that very issue. Public schools have the added benefit of simply calling the parents, or if they don't, they are still always being kept in check by the child having the freedom to tell their parents themselves. Something programs seek to avoid and control.
Kids cut themselves in public schools all the time and just roll their sleeves down so no one can see it and if a kid grabs another kids ass in the hallway or makes unwanted sexual advances they dont document every case and report it to the police or DHS.
Neither do programs apparently, or if they do they take their time. Ridge Creek recieved a violation due to the fact that they didnt report it as required. They simply attempted to sweep it under the rug, and pretend it was no big deal.
I wish more schools had the manpower and could record this much detail and watch the kids this closely.
Watch the kids more closely? Where was the night security while this kid was being molested? Where were the kids 'counselors'? The sad part is the worst this kid would not have been removed permanetly and will remain a danger. Meanwhile if a incident like that happened in public school and came to light, the offending party would be expelled making the school a safer place. Too bad Buchi sees every kid as a walking check, and won't turn any away no matter how dangerous they are.
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According to documents, interviews, letters, emails, faxes, and GAO interviews the former HLA, now RCS, policy: nothing intentionally leaves the school. This is no news, it continues, and will continue until there is a deaththat cannot be covered up, not to say the school will not attempt to do so. Statewide and nationwide( Lon Woodbury, unethical educational consultants, etc.) there is too much money and political gain involved; to all, apparently, the funding is worth the risk of a life, many lives.
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According to documents, interviews, letters, emails, faxes, and GAO interviews the former HLA, now RCS, policy: nothing intentionally leaves the school. This is no news, it continues, and will continue until there is a deaththat cannot be covered up, not to say the school will not attempt to do so. Statewide and nationwide( Lon Woodbury, unethical educational consultants, etc.) there is too much money and political gain involved; to all, apparently, the funding is worth the risk of a life, many lives.
I don’t know specifically RCS’ motivation but I would think the natural reaction would be to handle the issues privately the best they can. The knee jerk reaction would be not to report incidences if they didn’t feel they needed to or if the report would add value or help.
The majority of the issues from the inspection reports seem to be paperwork related and training.
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I don’t know specifically RCS’ motivation but I would think the natural reaction would be to handle the issues privately the best they can. The knee jerk reaction would be not to report incidences if they didn’t feel they needed to or if the report would add value or help.
The majority of the issues from the inspection reports seem to be paperwork related and training.
You think children being molested and assualted is an issue of paperwork and training? What's wrong with you. First you claim that programs are great because you think they document every event and now you claim they shouldnt if they dont add value or help.
Which is it?
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You think children being molested and assualted is an issue of paperwork and training?
I said the majority of issues seem to be paperwork, training issues.
What's wrong with you. First you claim that programs are great because you think they document every event and now you claim they shouldnt if they dont add value or help.
Which is it?
I never claimed that programs should not document everything. I think it is one of the strengths of the industry, especially the ones under regulation. I wish public schools detailed every event like program have to. I was saying that the knee jerk reaction for most places would be to not report every event unless they had too or unless it would lead to helping the child or the profit margin.
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I don’t know specifically RCS’ motivation but I would think the natural reaction would be to handle the issues privately the best they can. The knee jerk reaction would be not to report incidences if they didn’t feel they needed to or if the report would add value or help.
The majority of the issues from the inspection reports seem to be paperwork related and training.
You think children being molested and assualted is an issue of paperwork and training? What's wrong with you. First you claim that programs are great because you think they document every event and now you claim they shouldnt if they dont add value or help.
Which is it?
He doesn't care which "is it". This is the personification of this person, a fool. Whooter whole premise for being here embodies being a jouster and we pay at the door by reciprocating just like pistons to his crankshaft.
Like I have been saying if I thought he actually cared (anything, what ever side) I would enter the fray here wholeheartedly but he doesn't. Look at his posts they lack in real knowledge or clarity. Whooter just knows where to go to post others opinions. He steals from others and their hard work and try's to pawn it off as a credible argument. Everything about him spells fraud. What is sad about this whole charade he has been playing here for so long, he does not feel the least bit ashamed by any of it. He actually has assimilated this personality completely, this is freaking sick.
Man's a fool.
Whooter the children, this has always been about the children.
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Whooter the children, this has always been about the children.
The only part of your post I agree with is the above. Heretik, you seem to think that I dont care about the children because I disagree with you. You feel all kids are damaged by the programs they attend and ignore the studies and the kids who do well. I understand that some kids get abused inside of programs and kids also get abused in our public school system and at home. You appear to be narrow minded and cannot see the entire picture only one side. This is why I appear to you to not care about the children.
Give it some thought.
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Which is it?
I think that programs should document everything (thats the requirement). I think public schools should document everything also (But they dont). But I understand why programs dont document everything, makes mistakes, have training issues. It is a difficult thing to do and to maintain.
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Whooter the children, this has always been about the children.
The only part of your post I agree with is the above. Heretik, you seem to think that I dont care about the children because I disagree with you. You feel all kids are damaged by the programs they attend and ignore the studies and the kids who do well. I understand that some kids get abused inside of programs and kids also get abused in our public school system and at home. You appear to be narrow minded and cannot see the entire picture only one side. This is why I appear to you to not care about the children.
Give it some thought.
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Whooter, I have read what you wrote (years past and present) and then formed a conclusion based upon your writings. I will point out that you have no idea where I stand on anything because I have never shared these principles and ideas with you in depth. I came here to this site because I felt I belonged for a personal catharsis (purgation) reason and have contributed along those principles. The ideas I have are to better the plight of children being abused in these programs.
I am not here to argue the foolish opinions you have. Example; " You appear to be narrow minded and cannot see the entire picture only one side. This is why I appear to you to not care about the children." This is a old worn out immature statement, Whooter. It actually shows just how ignorant you really are and how you lack in the ability to see us in a larger perspective. To think that we can not see a broader picture then are own misgivings, is possibly your biggest insult of all. I don't believe there isn't anyone here that would not applaud vigorously if their was a program that met all your ideals (fantasies) but the cold hard reality there is not if any programs available. In all your blathering over the years you have not made a case for such a program either. Which is of no surprise, you have allowed yourself to remain uneducated here. How you managed to do this is sad, very sad.
We understand and know all to well that there are children who need help we just do not approve of abuse being the fundamental backbone of their programs. All reasons you already know. Whether abuse is purposely used as a tool or not does not matter. What does matter is ending these age old abusive practices.
Anne has pointed out to you endlessly what programs we are talking about here. Maybe it would be a good idea if you were to get on the same page as everyone else and talk about the issues that are relevant to survivors. I mean you are on a program survivalist web site.
This whole thought process of yours, "I'm the middle of the road", "neutral" and "I can see all sides" is of no consequence here. You believe you are in a debate here and that can not be farther the the truth. No one is debating you Whooter, survivor, parent or others. There is no audience you are speaking to nor do we really have to be worried by what you say. As I have said before anyone who is educated on the subject of adolescence treatment programs will recognize real quick that you lack in merit and education/study. That there is very little depth in study or experience on your part when it comes to the TTI. These are the facts.
The whole point of you being here is for a psychiatrist to figure out. I do not believe anyone would pay a fool such as you anything. What in the hell are you contributing here that would be worth paying for. :rofl: No you are not obfuscating, puleasssse. Some one just needs to find the fly swatter.
I really do not care about neutral or middle of the road but it would really be a giant step for you (I'm sure) if you could honestly see all sides and embrace this.
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Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the why programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the way programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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I said the majority of issues seem to be paperwork, training issues.
So you still equate sexual assault, retaliation, and self mutilation as paperwork issues. Again, pretty sick, but pretty par for the course when it comes to the mentality of a programmie such as yourself. You people believe anything and everything should just be swept under the rug. Does that lead to a safe environment?
I never claimed that programs should not document everything. I think it is one of the strengths of the industry, especially the ones under regulation.
Then why did programmies like Buchi fight tooth and nail against even allowing agencies like the ORS onto the property? He operated for years without any oversite or regulation. Lied and claimed everything was above board until we forced regulation on him much to his chagrin. Since regulation leads to a safer program, why do so many programmies still fight against it?
I wish public schools detailed every event like program have to.
Can you cite some source showing what public schools are and are not required to report to state agencies? In the meantime public schools are kept in check by school boards, DOE's, PTO's, the media, and the students themselves. Programs seek to operate within a bubble while they self govern. Whooter, which do you believe of those two options is safer?
I was saying that the knee jerk reaction for most places would be to not report every event unless they had too or unless it would lead to helping the child or the profit margin.
Helping the profit margin is all these places ever care about. They don't report these types of events to state agencies or to parents for that exact reason. What parent is going to pay tens of thousands of dollars to leave their child in a place where their kid gets tea bagged at night?
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So you still equate sexual assault, retaliation, and self mutilation as paperwork issues.
Lets try it again. Self mutilation, sexual assault, retaliation are not paperwork issues. The failure to document them properly are paperwork issues. If a child attacks another child and the program does not document the incident properly then this is a paperwork issue. Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
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Then why did programmies like Buchi fight tooth and nail against even allowing agencies like the ORS onto the property? He operated for years without any oversite or regulation. Lied and claimed everything was above board until we forced regulation on him much to his chagrin. Since regulation leads to a safer program, why do so many programmies still fight against it?
I would guess that many programs feel they can monitor the children themselves and don’t feel they need for regulation and inspections. Most of us feel we are doing a good job raising our kids and would not want DHS visiting us all the time and telling us how we can discipline our children and how to report and document each event. Its a pain in the ass. How many of us would go get a driver’s license if we were not forced to get one. If we didnt have one it would not mean we were poor drivers.
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Lets try it again. Self mutilation, sexual assault, retaliation are not paperwork issues. The failure to document them properly are paperwork issues. If a child attacks another child and the program does not document the incident properly then this is a paperwork issue. Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
So now you're saying that they aren't safety issues. Still pretty sick Whooter. Since they aren't reporting these numerous incidents, there's way of of knowing what corrective action was taken, and what steps are being taken to ensure that the same problems don't occur again. What reasons would they have for not reporting the incidents? Again you are talking about something that a child in public school could be expelled for.
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Lets try it again. Self mutilation, sexual assault, retaliation are not paperwork issues. The failure to document them properly are paperwork issues. If a child attacks another child and the program does not document the incident properly then this is a paperwork issue. Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
So now you're saying that they aren't safety issues.
I read through the above post several times and did not see where I said anything about safety issues. I said Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues. I can see why you get so angry all the time. You tend to read things that are not there,Bruce, that is why I am taking this a little piece at a time so that you understand what I am saying.
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I would guess that many programs feel they can monitor the children themselves and don’t feel they need for regulation and inspections.
Oversite and regulation create a safer environment. Why would any programmie oppose this unless he simply didn't care?
Most of us feel we are doing a good job raising our kids and would not want DHS visiting us all the time and telling us how we can discipline our children and how to report and document each event. Its a pain in the ass.
The state assumes that a parent loves their child and will do what's right for them. It's only when a problem occurs they have to step in. A program owner is not raising his own kids, he's been paid by someone else to do it for them. Because he's running a business he's subject to a more watchful eye, and rightfully so.
How many of us would go get a driver’s license if we were not forced to get one. If we didnt have one it would not mean we were poor drivers.
And if we weren't required to get a drivers license it would mean anyone would be free to operate a car, making the roads that much more dangerous. Regulation and oversite lead to control and safety. Something I would imagine most parents would be in support of when it comes to their children.
So then again, if we know that oversite leads to a safer program, why do programmies like Buchi oppose it unless they simply don't care?
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I read through the above post several times and did not see where I said anything about safety issues. I said Many of the citings of the DHS has to do with Paper work issues.
The fact that you didn't say it is the problem. These are safety issues, and you're attempting to downplay by claiming they are merely paperwork issues. No different then your earlier attempts to define sexual assault as flirting. Again, typical programmie mindset.
I can see why you get so angry all the time.
Over what? I'm winning the argument while you're fumbling for excuses.
You tend to read things that are not there,Bruce, that is why I am taking this a little piece at a time so that you understand what I am saying.
Oh is that why you need to pick and choose what you can and cannot respond to? I just assumed it was because you don't have an answer to give. I'll look forward to you going back and responding to the remainder of my earlier questions and comments.
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I agree with oversight (and sometimes am on the fence regarding it), it can lead to a safer industry, just like forcing people to get a drivers’ license leads to safer roads. But the license and tests dont necessarily make me a better driver so if they didn’t force me to take the test then I would probably opt out of it. If the DHS wanted to inspect my home and interview my kids on a monthly basis I would probably fight against it. Overall it may make kids safer in the state but I feel I do a good job and therefore would fight against it and not document every time my kid fell down the stairs or I had to spank him etc.
So I do see the value in oversight but I also see why schools and programs fight against it. They don’t feel the DHS is making the kids safer in their particular school.
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The fact that you didn't say it is the problem. These are safety issues, and you're attempting to downplay by claiming they are merely paperwork issues.
So we can agree that I stated that many are paperwork issues. I wanted to establish this first. Now also there are safety issues, too. These have been documented by the DHS and the school has time to impliment corrective action. This is how the inspection process works. There are also Training issues which were found.
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I agree with oversight (and sometimes am on the fence regarding it), it can lead to a safer industry, just like forcing people to get a drivers’ license leads to safer roads. But the license and tests dont necessarily make me a better driver so if they didn’t force me to take the test then I would probably opt out of it. If the DHS wanted to inspect my home and interview my kids on a monthly basis I would probably fight against it. Overall it may make kids safer in the state but I feel I do a good job and therefore would fight against it and not document every time my kid fell down the stairs or I had to spank him etc.
So I do see the value in oversight but I also see why schools and programs fight against it. They don’t feel the DHS is making the kids safer in their particular school.
So you feel that routine inspections and additional paperwork is not worth adding safety for a child.
You used these same bad analogies several years ago, they were no better then they are now. If you own a program you aren't raising your kids, you're being paid to raise someone elses, and thus are under closer scrutiny. Just as the health department isn't going to come into your kitchen and fine you for something they might fine a business owner for. A private home where a parent raises his own child is not the same as a program owner taking on respondsibility for other peoples children.
Are you having trouble understanding that?
Whether a programmie sees it a certain way or not does nothing to change the fact that oversite does make things safer, and even if routine inspections are a pain in the ass, the fact remains the same. If safety is a priority for these guys, why wouldnt they just grin and bear it? Why fight against it?
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I agree with oversight (and sometimes am on the fence regarding it), it can lead to a safer industry, just like forcing people to get a drivers’ license leads to safer roads. But the license and tests dont necessarily make me a better driver so if they didn’t force me to take the test then I would probably opt out of it. If the DHS wanted to inspect my home and interview my kids on a monthly basis I would probably fight against it. Overall it may make kids safer in the state but I feel I do a good job and therefore would fight against it and not document every time my kid fell down the stairs or I had to spank him etc.
So I do see the value in oversight but I also see why schools and programs fight against it. They don’t feel the DHS is making the kids safer in their particular school.
So you feel that routine inspections and additional paperwork is not worth adding safety for a child.
The inspections and paperwork will ultimately add to the safety of the kids from an industry perspective. But from an individual viewpoint many times people feel that they are making the right decisions for the children and dont need the help of outside agencies to tell them what to do or micro manage them. I feel IRS audits are greatly needed in the US and although I run a tight ship and value my accounting team I dont see the need to have them hovering around. I dont call them if I think I violated a law I rely on my professional team, just like people dont call DHS on themselves if they have a problem. They are all valued industries as a whole but most people dont want them around.
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So we can agree that I stated that many are paperwork issues. I wanted to establish this first. Now also there are safety issues, too. These have been documented by the DHS and the school has time to impliment corrective action. This is how the inspection process works. There are also Training issues which were found.
The only thing we can agree on is that programmies like yourself aren't concerned about safety for kids whenever it affects the bottom line. You claim the program is implementing corrective action, yet how many times has this happened just at RC alone? You can't dismiss them all. As much as it burns Buchi up people from the state are going to keep coming, and we're going to keep posting these safety violations.
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The inspections and paperwork will ultimately add to the safety of the kids from an industry perspective. But from an individual viewpoint many times people feel that they are making the right decisions for the children and dont need the help of outside agencies to tell them what to do or micro manage them. I feel IRS audits are greatly needed in the US and although I run a tight ship and value my accounting team I dont see the need to have them hovering around. I dont call them if I think I violated a law I rely on my professional team, just like people dont call DHS on themselves if they have a problem. They are all valued industries as a whole but most people dont want them around.
The IRS has no reason to believe you when you claim you don't need an audit. The fact is if you didn't fear an audit you might not be so worried about making sure you were doing things correctly. So the same way the fear of the IRS insures that you will balance your books correctly, fear of the ORS and other similar state agencies keeps programmies from abusing kids and violating their rights.
In both instances enough violations means the respective agencies will eventually put you out of business.
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The only thing we can agree on is that programmies like yourself aren't concerned about safety for kids whenever it affects the bottom line.
I read the posts above and I never said this nor insinuated it.
You claim the program is implementing corrective action, yet how many times has this happened just at RC alone? You can't dismiss them all. As much as it burns Buchi up people from the state are going to keep coming, and we're going to keep posting these safety violations.
No one can dismiss the reports, Robert, they are well documented. DHS will continue to hold their feet to the fire as they should do. RCS will continue to improve their process and train their people properly or they will eventually have to fold up their tent and go home.
I think all of us (You, me and RCS) are concerned for the kids we just see it from different vantage points, taking different paths and approaches.
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Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the why programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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No you have not shown anything of the sort. You did not know that these programs were committing these astrocities nor did you know that they were not. You can not say with any integrity that you have any education about any TTI history. All you know is what has been said here. It isn't like Aspen executives sat down for a meeting an said, "hey guys you know we have to do better then Straight Inc., Elan, Cedu and the others that serve rotten food, stress thought reform ect..." You want us to believe that there was a conscious improvement over the years to treatment methods within the TTI. Like these programs knew they were bad so they improved. Yeah Aspen saw what Elan and Straight were like and they wanted to be better. MBA and HLA were just impatience about their way of getting better.
You keep manipulating the whole point of what everyone else is talking about here and you do it on purpose. There has been no concerted effort by any organization to improve this industry. Not one treatment center has acknowledged either singularly or collectively that they needed to clean up their act and treat the children better, NEVER.
Nothing has gotten better in this industry, you just keep talking about apples when we are talking about oranges.
Nobody is discrediting, manipulating or trying to be negative concerning you. This whole speech of yours is old and rotten as it was years ago. It does not make any sense except to you.
It is so wonderful in your program (that you have made up, which is actually a school or limited weeks outward bound experience) is doing these things you have mentioned.
As Ursus said earlier, Elan also played sports, went sking, went to see colleges, worked at jobs outside, dated, ect.... and they still were beating up kids in the ring, spanking them with wooden paddles, cowboy asskicking residents, running after kids who tried to escape, deprived them food, made them work long hours, poured electric sauce all over them ect....Oh and they had great food. This was all going on up and into the year 2000 and beyond. Elan on facebook is a great read.
Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
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Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
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Not one treatment center has acknowledged either singularly or collectively that they needed to clean up their act and treat the children better, NEVER.
Very few industries are going to acknowledge their troubled past, it isnt good for business. Its best to listen to the feedback from parents, studies and the students, improve upon yourself and move forward, Heretik. The industry has improved. I have seen it first hand with the food quality, freedoms the children have and increased education. Do you think straight allowed their people to visit colleges or prepare them for college?
As Ursus said earlier, Elan also played sports, went sking, went to see colleges, worked at jobs outside, dated, ect
I think he just mentioned sports
.... and they still were beating up kids in the ring, spanking them with wooden paddles, cowboy asskicking residents, running after kids who tried to escape, deprived them food, made them work long hours, poured electric sauce all over them ect....Oh and they had great food. This was all going on up and into the year 2000 and beyond. Elan on facebook is a great read.
This shows that programs vary greatly from one to the next. Like I have said there are good programs and bad ones. We cant just keep pointing at the problems and saying they are typical of the industry.
Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
You only see what you want to see Heretik and I don’t fault you for that. We are all products of our own experiences in life and you view programs from your own vantage point and it is hard to view the industry from a different view point.
Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
Some of these programs are the safest place a child can be. The programs provide 24/7 structure and safety. Its all about the kids, if you really cared you would care about all the kids (including those who need help and are getting it) not just some of them.
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Not one treatment center has acknowledged either singularly or collectively that they needed to clean up their act and treat the children better, NEVER.
Very few industries are going to acknowledge their troubled past, it isnt good for business. Its best to listen to the feedback from parents, studies and the students, improve upon yourself and move forward, Heretik. The industry has improved. I have seen it first hand with the food quality, freedoms the children have and increased education. Do you think straight allowed their people to visit colleges or prepare them for college?
You don't know any of what you just said there ^ to be true at all. This is just some intellectual thought processing from you. You have read enough here to make careless comments like this. You actually have no hands on experience to say food has improved or not. All you have is what you have read here. Anybody could make the argument concerning business stratagem you posted above. My high school niece could have made that statement. This is what I mean, you try to act like you have some info that is pertinent to this discussion were having here and you don't.
As Ursus said earlier, Elan also played sports, went sking, went to see colleges, worked at jobs outside, dated, ect
I think he just mentioned sports
Really, here is your game again. When you don't like what we say you play games. You tried to act like you had some pertinent info concerning new programs, well guess what you don't. There is very little new, 95% of the new programs (your words) are very similar to the old (less the physical violence).
.... and they still were beating up kids in the ring, spanking them with wooden paddles, cowboy asskicking residents, running after kids who tried to escape, deprived them food, made them work long hours, poured electric sauce all over them ect....Oh and they had great food. This was all going on up and into the year 2000 and beyond. Elan on facebook is a great read.
This shows that programs vary greatly from one to the next. Like I have said there are good programs and bad ones. We cant just keep pointing at the problems and saying they are typical of the industry.
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Your idea of honesty is a joke, because you don't really want to be honest. You want to play around and act like you really bring something to the table.
You only see what you want to see Heretik and I don’t fault you for that. We are all products of our own experiences in life and you view programs from your own vantage point and it is hard to view the industry from a different view point.
Really so what are my experiences Whooter, please do tell? What am I a product of and where is my vantage point? My only point is the serious safety issues concerning children in these places. Period!
Whooter, like I have said all along it is the children. All about the children.
They are not safe.
Some of these programs are the safest place a child can be. The programs provide 24/7 structure and safety. Its all about the kids, if you really cared you would care about all the kids (including those who need help and are getting it) not just some of them.
For the one hundred thousandth time, name the programs please that you are referring to. You can't and have never been able to. All you enjoy doing is typing unsubstantiated nonsense and playing games. It is clear and this is why you are not taken seriously. You lack integrity and it shows.
Whooter the children need help, please at some point recognize this.
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Heretik, I would be glad to discuss my qualifications to speak here on fornits with you and my motivations in another thread.
We are all getting off topic here a bit.....
The one area where we all seem to agree is the safety of the kids. The DHS does periodic inspections , they record their findings and the schools make changes. It is an ongoing process. RCS is not the only place the DHS visits. They regulate many schools. Some of the findings are serious while others are not so serious. If they felt children were being raped or the kids were in danger or the school should be closed then they would say it (thats their job), but they have not said this or made motions to have the school closed. So DHS feels the children are in a safe environment. No matter how many staff RCS hires or how much training they provide the kids are going to act out, get into fights and hurt each other and the staff. Their employees are going to forget to document items and events from time to time, they are going to make mistakes and the DHS will hold their feet to the fire to insure they get better and continue to improve.
Its an ongoing process for every business, not just RCS.
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Heretik, I would be glad to discuss my qualifications to speak here on fornits with you and my motivations in another thread.
We are all getting off topic here a bit.....
The one area where we all seem to agree is the safety of the kids. The DHS does periodic inspections , they record their findings and the schools make changes. It is an ongoing process. RCS is not the only place the DHS visits. They regulate many schools. Some of the findings are serious while others are not so serious. If they felt a children were being raped or the kids were in danger or the school should be closed then they would say it, but they have not. No matter how many staff RCS hires or how much training they provide the kids are going to act out, get into fights and hurt each other and the staff. Their employees are going to forget to document items and events from time to time, they are going to make mistakes and the DHS will hold their feet to the fire to insure they get better and continue to improve.
Its an ongoing process for every business, not just RCS.
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No, this isn't off topic at all talking about your qualifications to discuss and argue RCS- Safety Issues. Actually it is paramount to this whole discussion. How can anyone take you seriously concerning this topic when you have extremely limited knowledge of what you are talking about. When you type exactly almost verbatim what others have wrote here and claim to have some sincere vested interest in the topic.
Whooter everyone here already knows the function of DHS you are not giving us any new info there, even your common lay person could figure this out. Here we go again (for the umpteenth time) with yours games, example: ("If they felt a children were being raped or the kids were in danger or the school should be closed then they would say it, but they have not.") Many children have cried out and lawsuits have been filed and won, programs have been shut down and fines have been levied against programs. (but you already knew this) These arguments/statements you put up here are ridiculously hollow of any real studied thought. They are quip responses that any person could make. The only qualification you have mentioned at all for the time you have been here is your supposed daughter being in a Aspen program.
Another example: ("Their employees are going to forget to document items and events from time to time, they are going to make mistakes and the DHS will hold their feet to the fire to insure they get better and continue to improve.")
Just like you do when you have a busy day at home, Whooter. You are so cavalier with your statements when it concerns children. Just take a look at your response above. You want us to believe that you care about children and their welfare in these programs and yet out of the other side of your mouth you enable the staff to be careless and negligent in their duties to report. Yeah, they just forget sometimes to be responsible and annotate the times and events but ya know DHS will hold their feet to the fire (your words). Lets put it all on DHS to make sure programs are responsible for their children.
What I have written here is essentially what I have a problem with you and your postings concerning RCS- Violations. There are serious violations going on, this is a watch dog group advocating for childrens rights at RCS and we have every right to question your integrity and your qualifications here or on any thread. Once again I am not attacking you, Whooter. I am confronting you on your authenticity concerning the TTI.
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Does anyone happen to know where the other threads went under RCS?
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No, this isn't off topic at all talking about your qualifications to discuss and argue RCS- Safety Issues. Actually it is paramount to this whole discussion. How can anyone take you seriously concerning this topic when you have extremely limited knowledge of what you are talking about. When you type exactly almost verbatim what others have wrote here and claim to have some sincere vested interest in the topic.
If we can keep the discussion on RCS and the ORS violations then I will continue to respond to you in this thread. As far as your qualifications to speak on the subject or mine that is up for the individual readers to determine. If they feel you or I have limited knowledge of DHS then they can take it with a grain of salt.
I agree that lawsuits have been filed and programs have been shut down and children have been abused in certain programs. But this does not occur in all programs. DHS is regulating RCS and if they feel at any point that kids are being abused or are unsafe then they will write this in their report and recommend the school be closed. But they have not done this yet.
Kids are going to fight each other and staff no matter how much training you provide. This is not unique to RCS. The key is to provide the appropriate training and take measures to continuously improve their process. When RCS hires a new person they will undergo some type of training presumably. If this new person forgets to file something correctly or document an event then the inspectors will pick this up. If a staff member gets involved in a restraint without having the proper training then this needs to be reported and corrective action taken to insure this does not happen again. They will point this out to the school and it will need to be addressed. It doesn’t mean that no one cares about the kids. People make mistakes, it is in our nature. If RCS ignores the reports and fails to make changes then DHS will go after them.
As far as my credentials to speak here on fornits on the topic of ORS reports I don’t see how this is an issue. I have never asked for yours. I have experience in the industry, I have had a daughter in wilderness and at a program. I have spoken to many parents and have read extensively here on fornits over the years. I am sure you bring some personal experience to the discussion also and would not fault you on your limitations in any one area. I think it is good that everyone express their opinions and share their knowledge no matter how limited it is.
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Here is a summary of the first few DHS findings from page 1:
1)Failure to Allow Access
Computer system was down
2)Insufficient Staffing:
Fight broke out and there were not enough staff available in the area to help out.
3) Reporting
Failed to provide summary reports within 24 hours.
4) Residents shall not be permitted to participate in the behavior management of other residents or to discipline others.
Residents were attacking each other over a racial slur.
5) Provisions for the documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention including.....
A safety intervention was not documented.
6) Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's service plan pursuant to Rule..
Child sent back to wilderness for fighting
7) Each child shall be provided his or her own personal bed and mattress that is no shorter than the child's height and at least thirty inches wide. Clean sheets, pillows and pillow cases, blankets or bed covering shall be provided and sheets and pillow case.
Child in wilderness said they did not have a mattress.
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No, this isn't off topic at all talking about your qualifications to discuss and argue RCS- Safety Issues. Actually it is paramount to this whole discussion. How can anyone take you seriously concerning this topic when you have extremely limited knowledge of what you are talking about. When you type exactly almost verbatim what others have wrote here and claim to have some sincere vested interest in the topic.
If we can keep the discussion on RCS and the ORS violations then I will continue to respond to you in this thread. As far as your qualifications to speak on the subject or mine that is up for the individual readers to determine. If they feel you or I have limited knowledge of DHS then they can take it with a grain of salt.
Listen Whooter as far as you wanting to respond to me, I have never asked you to. I am not commenting on your posts so I can have a discussion with you. I am commenting to show the inept and inexperienced knowledge you bring to this discussion, concerning RCS violations. What you bring we could get at any local barbecue on a Saturday afternoon before the football games. Just theoretical intellectual summaries of a question posed. "Hey what do feel about the violations at RCS. Difference is the seriousness we (fornits members) bring to the discussion, our purpose for discussing these issues. Childrens safety.
I agree that lawsuits have been filed and programs have been shut down and children have been abused in certain programs. But this does not occur in all programs. DHS is regulating RCS and if they feel at any point that kids are being abused or are unsafe then they will write this in their report and recommend the school be closed. But they have not done this yet.
I do not believe you know just how DHS is regulating, if it is competent or not. Just because Jill Ryan, DJ and Robert Bruce do there homework doesn't mean you get to use this information in a argument of yours. In order to use someones info here you have to believe in it and know it to be true. It must assimilate within you. In all conversations especially violations (very sensitive subject) here on fornits, people must recognize the authenticity/integrity in there debater in order to engage.
Your comment on lawsuits, fines and closures of programs not happening at all of them, no kidding. This is the heartbreak most of us feel, we can not get enough people to wake up to the violations going on in these programs. It is systemic throughout the industry.
Kids are going to fight each other and staff no matter how much training you provide. This is not unique to RCS. The key is to provide the appropriate training and take measures to continuously improve their process. When RCS hires a new person they will undergo some type of training presumably. If this new person forgets to file something correctly or document an event then the inspectors will pick this up. If a staff member gets involved in a restraint without having the proper training then this needs to be reported and corrective action taken to insure this does not happen again. They will point this out to the school and it will need to be addressed. It doesn’t mean that no one cares about the kids. People make mistakes, it is in our nature. If RCS ignores the reports and fails to make changes then DHS will go after them.
Whooter, you have no factual studied bases for making these comments. Other then it sounds like that is what should happen in your mind. In your mind this is how it should work. Which is fine just say it. But as everyone else here knows it does not work this way and never has.
As far as my credentials to speak here on fornits on the topic of ORS reports I don’t see how this is an issue. I have never asked for yours. I have experience in the industry, I have had a daughter in wilderness and at a program. I have spoken to many parents and have read extensively here on fornits over the years. I am sure you bring some personal experience to the discussion also and would not fault you on your limitations in any one area. I think it is good that everyone express their opinions and share their knowledge no matter how limited it is.
As far as your credentials, like I said it is paramount to this and other discussions. You speak as if you have studied and educated yourself to the intricacies of the TTI, the state and federal agencies who govern them and last but not least this children who are placed in these programs. If you do not find this a issue, well that is not my fault.
It is not a good idea to share your limited knowledge especially when it concerns children and pretend you know best with one of your backyard opinions.
Whooter, this thread came to be because children are being neglected and not being cared for properly. The violations are concerning kids, this is the bottom line.
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Does anyone happen to know where the other threads went under RCS?
Someone threw them into the drama box.
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I think it may be beneficial to delineate the ORS report and extract the list of infractions against RCS so that we can get a better idea of what problems they are being written up for. I have started to consolidate the information. If people have anything to add or notice items that I have missed feel free to add them in.
Here is a summary of the first few DHS findings from page 1:
1)Failure to Allow Access
Computer system was down
2)Insufficient Staffing:
Fight broke out and there were not enough staff available in the area to help out.
3) Reporting
Failed to provide summary reports within 24 hours.
4) Residents shall not be permitted to participate in the behavior management of other residents or to discipline others.
Residents were attacking each other over a racial slur.
5) Provisions for the documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention including.....
A safety intervention was not documented.
6) Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's service plan pursuant to Rule..
Child sent back to wilderness for fighting
7) Each child shall be provided his or her own personal bed and mattress that is no shorter than the child's height and at least thirty inches wide. Clean sheets, pillows and pillow cases, blankets or bed covering shall be provided and sheets and pillow case.
Child in wilderness said they did not have a mattress.
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I believe one of the ORS reports indicated that a child said they did not have proper bedding while at wilderness.....
I reviwed the ORS report. I was a staff at RCS during part of this time frame. Though I did not have a good experience at RCS as an employee, some of the citations are rediculous! Especially in regards to the Wilderness Intervention. First, the students were all provided with a sleeping pad and a down sleeping bag in addition to thermal layers in case it got cold. The students were required to assist in the preparation of food but staff helped with food prep and were provided 3 square meals and two snacks each day. Students were also provided two, one litre water bottles and a were given access to water coolers and were encouraged to fill up many times throughout the day. The Solo was a 24 hour period where students slept in individual tents, closely monitored by staff. Students could not talk to other students but could talk to staff any time they wanted...this was about self-control, learning to delay gratification and having time to reflect about what behaviors they did that got them sent to intervention. Once solo was over the group slept in a group shelter called a Tabin (not a tavern). The beds were indeed metal frames with a wood slab on top...like a box spring. Students had sleeping pads, sleeping bags and their pillows. This may have been one of the most therapeutic things that happened on campus during my short time there. Students had to learn about self-reliance and independant thinking--not following peers who are doing negative behaviors. Each day students engaged in therapeutic groups, community projects and worked on academics and therapeutic assignments and learned how to hold each other accountable. As you can tell i am a big believer in the power of outdoor therapeutic programs! Many students returning from those interventions made huge progress behaviorally even after only 7 days and many of them have continued on that path of sucess. Also know that the interventions occured during warm months.
Though many a shadey thing has happened on that campus the staff members who work directly with the students are good people who during my time there made the best effort they could to support students given their limited training and supports. The biggest limitations to the program are the decision makers and higher-ups in Administration.
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ok...I will get off my soap box now!
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No one can dismiss the reports, Robert, they are well documented.
Yet here you are still attempting to claim numerous instances of sexual assault are simply paper work issues, and not safety ones.
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Robert, I have not been able to locate any documented "sexual assault" at RCS. If you have an ORS report on this incident this would be a good place to post it. There was a staffing issue revolving around a sexual activity between students:
A problem with "sexual activity" was documented as a "Staffing Issue" according to the ORS Reports. Lets take a look at it:
Staffing. The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to ensure that assigne
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was an unwelcome encounter. Furthermore, it was documented that Resident #11 initially lied about
the incident because she/he did not want the peer to get in trouble. In addition, review of Incident
Report dated 04-25-10 for Resident #11 revealed that Resident #11 was found around 8:15 am
asleep in the bed with Resident #15. Furthermore, review of Incident Report dated 05-08-10 for
Resident #15 revealed that a room search was conducted in which several notes were found
referencing several sexual encounters with male students. During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 12:43 pm with Staff AA, Staff AA indicated that to his/her knowledge there has been no current sexual activity reported and/or observed amongst the students however Staff AA acknowledged that previously there was an issue inwhich Resident #11 made allegations against a male student. After a week of the incident
Resident #11. Resident #11 child reported the story in which the story changed when she spoke
with another counselor and her mother. In regards to the incidents with Resident #15 it was
found that Resident #15 had engaged in sexual acting out on 3 separate occasions in some sort
of consensual encounter with another male student in which Resident #15 reported that she/he
engaged in sexual inappropriate activities with the male peer in which the incident incident
occurred in the music room at student activity center and the other two incidents occurred in the
movie room in student activity center and the bathroom in academic building. The agency
conducted an investigation which revealed that the incidents occurred and all parents of the
residents were notified.
(4) During an interview on September 9, 2010 at about 5:00 pm with Staff DD, Staff DD indicated
that the clinical director followed up with the counselor regarding the allegations in which
Resident #11 re-canted the allegation. As a result of the incident she/he re-wrote the abuse
reporting policy and procedure effective April 2010 which addressed the reporting of allegations
as a means to address reporting of incidents and it addressed specific procedures in which the
counselors to follow in reporting of incidents.
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Let me ask you a question, Heretik. We hear stories of programs serving rotten food and locking kids in isolation boxes for weeks at a time. We read about kids being isolated from their families without contact for months at a time and brainwashed. We have read about kids not getting hardly any education at all, etc. These were issues which defined these programs in many people minds. I have shown (and kids who wrote here on fornits) that these conditions have changed. Kids are receiving great meals, Vegetarian, Vegan etc., competing in sports against other highschools going white water rafting, going on dates into town, attending dances. There are programs where kids are not locked in boxes or cages today and can write to their families and have unmonitored phone calls. Kids are excelling at their academics and moving onto college after they graduate.
If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue? If you are all about the kids( like you claim you are) why not be happy about these improvements and increases in quality of life for them? From my perspective the amount of effort many here put in to discrediting and ignoring the facts shows that you really are not interested in anything except your own stories and the way programs were in the past. Why does every discussion have to be about the negative aspects of the industry? Why not a more healthy honest discussion about the facts (good and bad)?
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No programs have not changed that much at all, abusive practices are still pouring out of web sites and blogs almost monthly concerning children. Right here we have DHS commenting on serious safety issues. Whooter this game (whatever you want to call it) is up, the gig is up. In 1975 Elan was preparing good food and in 2009 I am hearing this is not the case anymore. Marathon House was serving us food that had to be shipped in from churches, food banks and where ever else they could get it. I found this to be incredible considering what the State of Rhode Island was paying for me being there and that my father was also contributing. The Director always had his brand new Eldorado washed by us residents, every Saturday.
Why do you think everybody here is devoted to helping put a end to this debacle.
"If it was okay to talk about how bad these conditions were then why are not the improvements recognized and applauded? Why do people like yourself see this information as a threat or non issue?"
You have been making this ridiculous comment for years. It is old and shows your lack of maturation on this site. I thought you said you had learned a lot since coming here to this site. Well maybe now would be the time for you to show it. No one here is threatened, intimidated or confused by improvements and or positive actions taken by programs. We just have one problem, you or them (programs) can not tie together a conscious linear progression of improvements this indusrty has done over the years singularly or collectively.
This is why your inadequacies are so transparent concerning the TTI. You don't do your homework because you really don't care. This is all one big game for you.
Sad because with all your energy and intellect you could be saving children right now.
There should be no violations at RCS, no forgetting to report incidents and the program RCS should be way out in front of this speaking about how they are going to correct this for the sake of the children. There should not be this huge debate concerning violations at RCS. RCS is not Aetna, GMC, or any other large Corp. They are a small entity, with a relatively small staff (which is good and bad) so taking care of their responsibilities should not be hard and the follow up should not be difficult. Yet, lo and behold it is and has been for most of Len's tenure.
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No one can dismiss the reports, Robert, they are well documented.
Yet here you are still attempting to claim numerous instances of sexual assault are simply paper work issues, and not safety ones.
This is the game we are talking about and documenting. Everyone here knows what you are talking about Robert yet Whooter wants to play. He must find this amusing. Sexual assault is something to belittle with minimal statements that have nothing to do with the actual assault. Lets drag in something from left field an discuss this. Lets see if I can aggravate and irritate my fellow posters with nonsense.
Whooter has shown and probably will continue to show his lack of empathy for children in these programs. This will be documented for sure.
I sure hope all this is worth it, Whooter because children are not safe in many programs today.
This is not about how you can one up Robert, Whooter, this is about the children.
These sexual assaults have been well documented here on fornits.
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As a goal, Hospitals, residential treatment centers and programs alike should strive to have zero violations and continue to raise their standards and improve. If RCS (or any institution) continues to be written up on the same issues and shows no improvement or willingness to improve then the DHS should turn up the pain level in my opinion. I am not sure what power they have at their disposal but these places should be hit where it hurts, in the form of fines maybe, to remind them that they need to continue to make progress towards these goals. I would be willing to guess that very few institutions have zero violations after their yearly audits and/or reported incidences.
The visibility that these ORS reports lend us will be evidence of RCS's willingness to improve and met the standards set down by the State of Georgia.
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These sexual assaults have been well documented here on fornits.
So far you have fallen short in providing any evidence to back up your claims. If you do have ORS reports on RCS this is the thread to post them in and your contribution will add to the discussion, Heretik. The programs house sexually active teenagers so the programs have their work cut out for them in providing oversight to keep these kids safe from themselves and each other. We have a recent ORS report (provided by Jill Ryan) which details a problem of "under staffing" resulting in many kids having sex on the school grounds. I have not seen any sexual assaults documented via ORS. If you have them please post them.
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These sexual assaults have been well documented here on fornits.
So far you have fallen short in providing any evidence to back up your claims. If you do have ORS reports on RCS this is the thread to post them in and your contribution will add to the discussion, Heretik. The programs house sexually active teenagers so the programs have their work cut out for them in providing oversight to keep these kids safe from themselves and each other. We have a recent ORS report (provided by Jill Ryan) which details a problem of "under staffing" resulting in many kids having sex on the school grounds. I have not seen any sexual assaults documented via ORS. If you have them please post them.
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No, I don't play your games. If you feel the need to argue that children have not been assaulted and we have not properly documented this. Well fine!! Stand by yourself and look as foolish as you are. I am concerned for the children if you want to stand their and argue about paperwork while children are being hurt, go ahead. See this is your game and I choose not to play.
The children Whooter. It is all about the children.
I also understand that you get so engrossed in winning the battle almost always the war is lost on you. Open your mind, Whooter.
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These sexual assaults have been well documented here on fornits.
So far you have fallen short in providing any evidence to back up your claims. If you do have ORS reports on RCS this is the thread to post them in and your contribution will add to the discussion, Heretik. The programs house sexually active teenagers so the programs have their work cut out for them in providing oversight to keep these kids safe from themselves and each other. We have a recent ORS report (provided by Jill Ryan) which details a problem of "under staffing" resulting in many kids having sex on the school grounds. I have not seen any sexual assaults documented via ORS. If you have them please post them.
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No, I don't play your games. If you feel the need to argue that children have not been assaulted and we have not properly documented this. Well fine!! Stand by yourself and look as foolish as you are. I am concerned for the children if you want to stand their and argue about paperwork while children are being hurt, go ahead. See this is your game and I choose not to play.
The children Whooter. It is all about the children.
I also understand that you get so engrossed in winning the battle almost always the war is lost on you. Open your mind, Whooter.
This is what the DHS does, Heretik, they document the events. If we are to say kids are being hurt then how can we help them if we dont know how they are being hurt? The ORS reports provides a vehicle for discussion and validates each of these arguments against them. If a child is having sex in the program and the ORS documents it this way then how does it help the children to lie and say the kids are being sexually assaulted or raped. How is this helping the children? This would only result in discrediting yourself with no documentation to support what you are saying.
Do you see what I mean? It is much more important to be honest with the readers and back up your allegation with facts like ORS reports or DHS findings. If you are truly interested and sincere about helping these kids then lets present the facts.
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These sexual assaults have been well documented here on fornits.
So far you have fallen short in providing any evidence to back up your claims. If you do have ORS reports on RCS this is the thread to post them in and your contribution will add to the discussion, Heretik. The programs house sexually active teenagers so the programs have their work cut out for them in providing oversight to keep these kids safe from themselves and each other. We have a recent ORS report (provided by Jill Ryan) which details a problem of "under staffing" resulting in many kids having sex on the school grounds. I have not seen any sexual assaults documented via ORS. If you have them please post them.
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Here you go Whooter:
http://http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PQD711.pdf
During interview with Staff A on 11/23/10 at 3:15 pm he/she stated that this incident (read the paragraph above for details ) was reported outside of the 24 hours requirement because he/she didn't think the incident was reportable until after the police were involved
There you have it Whooter. A sexual assualt that the police needed to become involved in, apparently not at the schools instigation. Anything else?
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Thank you Robert. I will add these two items in. From reading the report it appears that RCS called the police but failed to notify DHS within the window of 24 hours.
They were cited for Reporting Issues (not reporting within 24 hours) and Staffing ( not having proper supervision). I believe there was a girl who was cutting herself also.
As more and more of these reports come to light correcting these problems are going to include:
Training of their personnel.
Providing more oversight of these kids especially during the evening hours.
Manpower and training are typically two areas that places always get nailed on. If these problems keep repeating themselves then RCS will have to implement a very formal internal training program with the right checks and balances and hire more personnel for the night shift. I am not sure of DHS's policies on how long a program can continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.
Formal training programs with a tracking system is expensive for a small business to take on but becomes mandatory if the present system proves not to be effective.
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Here is a summary of the first few DHS findings from page 1:
1)Failure to Allow Access
Computer system was down
2)Insufficient Staffing:
Fight broke out and there were not enough staff available in the area to help out.
3) Reporting
Failed to provide summary reports within 24 hours.
4) Residents shall not be permitted to participate in the behavior management of other residents or to discipline others.
Residents were attacking each other over a racial slur.
5) Provisions for the documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention including.....
A safety intervention was not documented.
6) Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's service plan pursuant to Rule..
Child sent back to wilderness for fighting
7) Each child shall be provided his or her own personal bed and mattress that is no shorter than the child's height and at least thirty inches wide. Clean sheets, pillows and pillow cases, blankets or bed covering shall be provided and sheets and pillow case.
Child in wilderness said they did not have a mattress.
8.) 12/9/2010Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
Two children attacked each other sexually, one child was found cutting him/herself.
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Does anyone happen to know where the other threads went under RCS?
Someone threw them into the drama box.
The threads are not there either. The last posting under RCS is on December 23rd and it was not 'the active' thread nor the largest. Major violation threads have disappeared. The thread created by the "gatekeeper" has disappeared ...viewtopic.php?f=41&t=32533
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Does anyone happen to know where the other threads went under RCS?
Someone threw them into the drama box.
The threads are not there either. The last posting under RCS is on December 23rd and it was not 'the active' thread nor the largest. Major violation threads have disappeared. The thread created by the "gatekeeper" has disappeared ...viewtopic.php?f=41&t=32533
Sorry Jill. I thought yesterday all the posts were brought back here from the drama box. I guess I am not aware of what you are referring to. Maybe Ursus, Psy or The Gatekeeper can help.
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Thanks:). Drama Box? Oh, well. I did hear from the moderator who gave me a link to find the major thread that was not listed under RCS for some reason.viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32547
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Thank you Robert. I will add these two items in. From reading the report it appears that RCS called the police but failed to notify DHS within the window of 24 hours.
Whooter would you mind clarifying for everyone what the police were called for?
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Thank you Robert. I will add these two items in. From reading the report it appears that RCS called the police but failed to notify DHS within the window of 24 hours.
Whooter would you mind clarifying for everyone what the police were called for?
Hi, Robert, I hope you are having a nice holiday season. I dont have the details except for what the ORS report states. I would not be surprised if the police were not called once a week with the way these kids act out. As far as this specific incident it seems that Resident #1 sat on Resident #2's face and then resident #2 retaliated and attacked resident #1 sexually in his/her bed. Then the police were called. It doesnt say if any of the kids were arrested or not so we dont know why they were called. Maybe the police need to be called every time there is any sexual contact (which is probably every day with this group of kids!! lol). I am not familiar with the local requirements.
I think it is good that RCS does not hesitate to notify outside agencies like the police when these incidents occur although they violated a 24 hour requirement to notify DHS of the incidences.
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As far as this specific incident it seems that Resident #1 sat on Resident #2's face and then resident #2 retaliated and attacked resident #1 sexually in his/her bed.
Gosh. That almost sounds like sexual assault. You would think for the amount of money parents paying Buchi, he could run a safer establishment. I mean, where was night security when this was going on? What sort of screening process is in place for the students? Isn't this the second ORS report in a row where we've read about sexual assaults? Why wouldn't RC staff call the police as is required? Why wait for ORS to do it for them? I think we can all agree that it's been firmly established that there are some major safety issues at RC and parents should probably steer clear until some changes can be made.
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As far as this specific incident it seems that Resident #1 sat on Resident #2's face and then resident #2 retaliated and attacked resident #1 sexually in his/her bed.
Gosh. That almost sounds like sexual assault. You would think for the amount of money parents paying Buchi, he could run a safer establishment. I mean, where was night security when this was going on? What sort of screening process is in place for the students? Isn't this the second ORS report in a row where we've read about sexual assaults? Why wouldn't RC staff call the police as is required? Why wait for ORS to do it for them? I think we can all agree that it's been firmly established that there are some major safety issues at RC and parents should probably steer clear until some changes can be made.
Robert, I would not be too hard on the kids, they are teenagers with raging hormones. Many of these kids have emotional issues, plus I think we all know a lot of this stuff goes on outside of programs also. The report did not state that the ORS or DHS called the police. Reading though the report the requirement was that RCS needed to notify DHS within a 24 hour window (not the police). This was not done but the police were notified.
I agree with you that RCS is having their share of issues and citations. What we dont know is if this is typical within the private sector. There is nothing to compare these reports to.
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Robert, I would not be too hard on the kids, they are teenagers with raging hormones. Many of these kids have emotional issues, plus I think we all know a lot of this stuff goes on outside of programs also.
Who's being hard on the kids but you? None of them need to be in there to begin with, as they will receive no help from the program. I lay the fault at the staff of RC. Apparently no one over there is doing there job.
The report did not state that the ORS or DHS called the police. Reading though the report the requirement was that RCS needed to notify DHS within a 24 hour window (not the police). This was not done but the police were notified.
By an unknown third party. The report clearly states the staff member in question did not know he/she was required to notify the police in the instance of sexual assault. Either this person was attempting to sweep the incident under the rug, or is simply a moron. Which do you think it is Whooter?
I agree with you that RCS is having their share of issues and citations. What we dont know is if this is typical within the private sector. There is nothing to compare these reports to.
I'd love to see some state agency reports detailing other programs. Let us know what you find. In the meantime if it's not typical of the industry, RC should be avoided as it is not safe. If it typical the whole industry should be avoided.
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The report clearly states the staff member in question did not know he/she was required to notify the police in the instance of sexual assault.
The requirement:
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
SS=B
Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
Here is the details from the ORS report:
2) During interview with Staff A on 11/23/2010 at 3:15 pm, he/she stated that this incident was
reported outside the 24 hours requirement because he/she didn't think the incident was
reportable until after the police were involved.
The interviewer was questioning the staff member A on why the incident was not reported to DHS. The police were called but RCS was written up because they did not notify the Department of Human Services.
In summary there was an incident and RCS called the police, but they failed to notify DHS within 24 hours.
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This is a first pass and there may be items that are missing and/or I may not have seen all the ORS Reports. I will provide links to all the reports but they are presently scattered about the forum.
My notes are in Blue
Summary of ORS Reports for RCS year ending 2010:
Staffing:
A) The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to ensure that assigne
• 1/26/2010 – 3/30/2010 – Kids got out of hand over racial slur.
• 6/28/2010 – 7/21/2010 – Resident threw computer and attacked another resident.
• 9/1/2010 Sexual activity among residents, fractured head
Reporting:
A) Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form (IIIF) within 24 hours.
• 1/26/2010 – 3/30/2010 Based on file review and staff interview , the agency failed to submit a detailed written summary report to the Department of Human Resources, Office of Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit within 24 hours. Police called and children were arrested.
• 9/1/2010 Not reporting accidents, mis medication administered
• 11/23/2010 – 12/9/2010 -- Based on file review and staff interview , the agency failed to submit a detailed written summary report to the Department of Human Resources, Office of Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit within 24 hours. Kids sexually attacking each other and girl cutting herself.
Behavior Management:
A) Residents shall not be permitted to participate in the behavior management of other residents or to discipline other residents, except as part of an organized therapeutic self-governing program in accordance with accepted standards of practice that is con
• 1/26/2010 – 3/30/2010 – Based on file review and staff interview, residents were allowed to participate in the behavior management of other residents. Fight in Movie room over racial slur.
B) Behavior management shall be limited to the least restrictive appropriate method, as described in the child's service plan pursuant to Rule
• 6/28/2010 – 7/21/2010 -- 8 days in wilderness for fighting.
Emergency Safety Interventions:
• 1/26/2010 – 3/30/2010 - Based on file review and staff interview the agency failed to document provisions for the documentation of each use of an emergency safety intervention. Fight in the Movie Room.
• 9/1/2010 Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to ensure when an emergency safety intervention (ESI) is utilized, staff is trained in the proper use of such
interventions in one of one file reviewed;
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to submit to the Department within 24 hours in which three or more instances of emergency safety interventions of a specific child occurred and/or whenever the institution has had a total of 10 emergency safety interventions (ESIs) for all children in care within the 30-day period;
Assessment and Planning:
A) A service and room, board and watchful oversight plan shall be developed by the child's Human Services Professional in concert with the child's primary Child Care Worker, meaning the worker who has responsibility for supervision of the child in the living.
• 6/28/2010 – 7/21/2010 --Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to have completed Service, Room,Board, and Watchful Oversight plans to include activities to be followed by staff in pursuit ofstated goals and objectives for two of four plans reviewed.
• 9/1/2010 -- Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to develop a complete service and room, board and watchful oversight (SRBWO) plan in four of five files reviewed;
Physical Plant and Safety:
A) Each child shall be provided his or her own personal bed and mattress that is no shorter than the child's height and at least thirty inches wide. Clean sheets, pillows and pillow cases, blankets or bed covering shall be provided and sheets and pillow case.
• 6/28/2010 – 7/21/2010 – no mattress in wilderness
Administration and Organization:
A) Program Description and Implementation. In accordance with these rules and regulations, a licensed child caringinstitution shall develop, implement and comply with written policies and procedures that describe the range ofservices including room, board
• 9/1/2010 Bases on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to develop and comply with policies and procedures as to how services will be provided by the facility;
Wrong medication was administered.
Recordkeeping. Personnel Records:
A) Documentation of at least two professional, educational, or personal references that attest to the person's capabilities of performing the duties for which they are employed and to t
• 9/1/2010 Based on a review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document at least two professional, educational, or personal references that attest to the person's capabilities of performing the duties for which they are employed and to the person's suitability of working with or around children in four of ten files reviewed.
Maintenance of files
B) Satisfactory preliminary criminal history background check determination and a satisfactory fingerprint records check determination as required by law for the director and foster par
• 9/1/2010 Based on a review of resident files and e-mail correspondence with staff, the facility failed to document a satisfactory preliminary criminal history background check on adults aged eighteen
or older who reside at the home;
C) Documentation of orientation and training, including dates of all such training, as required by Rule .08(6)(d) of these rules;
• 9/1/2010 Based on review of personnel files and staff interview, the agency failed to document orientation and training in eight of ten files reviewed;
Staff were trained but not documented.
Health Services:
A) Such [general physical] examination shall be done by a medical doctor, physician's assistant, or public health department and shall include basic diagnostic laboratory work, including but not limited to a Complete Blood Count (CBC) and basic urinanalysis;
• 9/1/2010 Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the agency failed to document a Complete Blood Count (CBC) in five of fourteen files reviewed. In addition, the agency failed to document that a basic urinanalysis (UA) was included in the physical examination in twelve of fourteen files reviewed;
B) A general dental examination of the child shall be provided for unless such an examination has been completed within six months prior to admission. Such examinations shall be done by either a dentist or a dental hygienist that is employed by the department
• 9/1/2010 Based on review of resident files and staff interview, the facility failed to document a dental exam dated less than six months prior to admission or within thirty days after admission in four of fourteen files reviewed;
C) Prescription medications shall only be given to a child as ordered in the child's prescription. An institution shall not permit such medications prescribed for
• 9/1/2010 Based on record review and staff interviews, the agency failed to ensure that prescribed medications for one child shall not be given to another child.
D) Psychotropic medications. No child shall be given psychotropic medications unless use is in accordance with the goals and objectives of the child's service plan.
• 9/1/2010 Based on record review and interviews with staff, the facility failed to administer residents' psychotropic medications in accordance with the goals and objectives of the child's service plan in one of one incidents reviewed.
E) Psychotropic medication shall only be given to a child as ordered in the child's prescription. An institution shall not permit such medications prescribed for on
• 9/1/2010 -- Based on record review, review of agency medication policy and staff interviews, the agency failed to ensure medication was given to a child as ordered by the physician in one of one file reviewed;
F) The prescribing physician shall be notified in cases of dosage errors, drug reactions, or if the psychotropicmedication does not appear to be effective. ...
• 9/1/2010 Based on record review and interviews with staff, the facility failed to notifying a child's attending physician in cases of dosage errors, drug reactions, or if the prescription medication does not appear to be effective to in 255 of 255 incidents reviewed.
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Staffing:
A) The institution shall have sufficient numbers of qualified and trained staff as required by these rules to provide for the needs, care, protection, and supervision of children. All staff and volunteers shall be supervised to ensure that assigne
• 1/26/2010 – 3/30/2010 – Kids got out of hand over racial slur.
• 6/28/2010 – 7/21/2010 – Resident threw computer and attacked another resident.
• 9/1/2010 Sexual activity among residents, fractured head
I wonder if insufficient number of staffers can be attributed to Ridge Creek School screening process? My gut tells me yes based on first hand work experience. The behaviors above are reminiscent of behaviors exhibited from violent juvenile offenders.
From reading the reports it seems that RCS knowingly accepts these types of kids because there are so many of them. At ASR, for example, if a child had a violent past or was a chronic runaway then you could not get in. If you ran away more than once or was violent towards another person then the cops were called and you were out on your ass with no refund to the parents. In the early 2000's anyway there were so many kids that programs could afford to be choosy on which ones they accept.
I could not imagine any of the kids at ASR writing racial slurs on the wall or throwing computers against the wall. I would imagine those kids who did that were inner city children or kids from poor neighborhoods. I wonder if RCS is accepting state placement children?
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The requirement:
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
SS=B
Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
Whooter are you attempting to claim that calling the police isn't required in instances of sexual assault? Or at the very least isn't just common sense?
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I wonder if RCS is accepting state placement children?
You mean court ordered kids? They always were. As I've said many times, Buchi's only requisite for addmitiance is that each child arrive with a check pinned to his shirt. No consideration is given to whether or the night the child is appropriate for placement. All this does is create an even more dangerous environment for both the staff and the kids.
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The requirement:
R 0861 290-2-5-.08(7) Staffing.
SS=B
Reporting. Detailed written summary reports shall be made to the Department of Human Resources, Office of
Regulatory Services, Residential Child Care Unit via email or fax on the required incident intake information form
(IIIF) within 24 hours.
Whooter are you attempting to claim that calling the police isn't required in instances of sexual assault? Or at the very least isn't just common sense?
That comes directly from the ORS Report. They require written summary reports of all instances regardless of whether or not the police are called.
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I wonder if RCS is accepting state placement children?
You mean court ordered kids? They always were. As I've said many times, Buchi's only requisite for addmitiance is that each child arrive with a check pinned to his shirt. No consideration is given to whether or the night the child is appropriate for placement. All this does is create an even more dangerous environment for both the staff and the kids.
Which has been a common practice for 40 years in many programs. So long as the particular State is paying bring them.
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I wonder how the state determines which kid goes to juvy and which goes to a place like RCS.
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That comes directly from the ORS Report. They require written summary reports of all instances regardless of whether or not the police are called.
So you don't think the school is required to call the police in instances of sexual assault?
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That comes directly from the ORS Report. They require written summary reports of all instances regardless of whether or not the police are called.
So you don't think the school is required to call the police in instances of sexual assault?
I looked back on my postings and I dont see where I stated that. Do you have a link to refer us to the post in question?
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I looked back on my postings and I dont see where I stated that. Do you have a link to refer us to the post in question?
My question to you was just that, a question, and it remains. Do you not think the school is required to call the police in the event of a sexual assault?
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I looked back on my postings and I dont see where I stated that. Do you have a link to refer us to the post in question?
My question to you was just that, a question, and it remains. Do you not think the school is required to call the police in the event of a sexual assault?
I am not that well versed on the laws. If a kid grabs another kids butt in the locker room in highschool or groaps another kids sexually and the kids complain to the teacher then I think he is required to call the police. But I dont know if it is an offense or not if they are both under 18. I am not sure of the laws. But to error on the side of caution I would notify authorities.
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So why do you think the staff at RC held off on doing that?
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So why do you think the staff at RC held off on doing that?
I was not aware that they did hold off.
Do you have a link? Maybe they held off because they did not have the info, we would have to look at the report where it says that they held off in calling.
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The following is taken from the ORS report:
1) Review on 11/23/2010 at 8:00 am of intake report, submitted on 11/8/2010, revealed that on
11/4/2010 at 10:00am, Resident #1 reported to staff that on 10/29/10 Resident #2 got into his/her
bed and performed a sexual act on him/her. This report stated that Resident #1 said Resident #2
threatened him/her if he/she told anyone.
2) During interview with Staff A on 11/23/2010 at 3:15 pm, he/she stated that this incident was
reported outside the 24 hours requirement because he/she didn't think the incident was
reportable until after the police were involved.
What I am reading is that the incident occurred on 10/29/2010.
Resident #1 reported it to staff on 11/4/2010 (10:00am) and RCS submitted the report on 11/8/2010.
Staff “A” indicated that she/he didn’t believe they were required to submit the report until after the police were involved, which means RCS probably called the police after they were notified on 11/4/2010 at 10:00 am and they submitted the report after that.
So I don’t see where it says they delayed in calling the police.
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I disagree. The report says the 'counselor' didn't know it was reportable until 'after the police were involved'. Reportable to whom?
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I disagree. The report says the 'counselor' didn't know it was reportable until 'after the police were involved'. Reportable to whom?
Reportable to DHS. Whenever there is an incident at the school, RCS is required to fill out an IIIF (incident intake information form) within 24 hours and send it to their office of Regulatory services.
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It looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. Given their already proven track record of not reporting incidents as required my thinking is they didn't tell the police or ORS and just attempted to sweep it under the rug. It only came out afterwards at which point they then played catch up. So then at this point neither one of us can prove our case we'll have to move forward with the understanding that RC didn't report safety issues and criminal acts as they are required.
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It looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. Given their already proven track record of not reporting incidents as required my thinking is they didn't tell the police or ORS and just attempted to sweep it under the rug. It only came out afterwards at which point they then played catch up. So then at this point neither one of us can prove our case we'll have to move forward with the understanding that RC didn't report safety issues and criminal acts as they are required.
That was very nicely put, for you, Robert. I am going to have to stick with the ORS's report with the staff and students' interviews which showed that the police were called after the students notified the staff and RCS failed to then report the incident to the ORS within the 24 hour window, which is why RCS was written up.
Thank you for being civil in this discussion.
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No problem. Again, we'll have to agree to disagree, but that isn't the end of the world.
Moving forward though I think the next question is why does this sort of thing keep happening over there? Why is there no screening process for dangerous kids, and where is night security?
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No problem. Again, we'll have to agree to disagree, but that isn't the end of the world.
Moving forward though I think the next question is why does this sort of thing keep happening over there? Why is there no screening process for dangerous kids, and where is night security?
I think that RCS is well aware of the types of kids they are accepting into their program. Many of these kids have emotional problems based on the ORS reports and should be receiving more support in the evening hours.
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For the insane amount of money parents are already paying, shouldn't that level of security already exists?
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For the insane amount of money parents are already paying, shouldn't that level of security already exists?
I dont know what the schools costs and expenses are, so I could not answer that. The schools charge about $150/day. A hospital non critical stay is $1,000 to 2,000 per day. So relatively speaking these schools are fairly inexpensive. Hazeldon (rehab) in Minnesota can cost upwards of $1,000 a day.
But I do agree that they need to figure out how to keep these kids safe and get some night staff in even if it means passing off the cost to the parents.
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I dont know what the schools costs and expenses are, so I could not answer that. The schools charge about $150/day. A hospital non critical stay is $1,000 to 2,000 per day. So relatively speaking these schools are fairly inexpensive. Hazeldon (rehab) in Minnesota can cost upwards of $1,000 a day.
The school actually charges $170 a day with a $5,300.00 per month tuition. If you consider that inexpensive then I would question your understanding of basic financies. A year tuition at RC would come to $63,600.00 not including incidentals. Incidentally a year at Harvard would run you about half of that, and you'd benefit far more and not be abused.
I'd be interested in seeing some source citing your claim of of $1,000-$2,000 per day for a non critical stay at a hospital. Keep in mind even if that is true, factor how much a person is paying out of pocket expensive once their medical insurance kicks in.
Hazeldon is very expensive, however it's much more effective, much less abusive, isn't coerced, and doesn't last nearly as long and therefore doesn't cost as much as RC.
But I do agree that they need to figure out how to keep these kids safe and get some night staff in even if it means passing off the cost to the parents.
What if instead of passing it off to parents, Buchi took a slightly smaller cut? I can tell you first hand from the year I spent locked up in HLA, that very little is actually spent on the kids. The place is a dump and every corner that can be cut is.
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The school actually charges $170 a day with a $5,300.00 per month tuition. If you consider that inexpensive then I would question your understanding of basic financies. A year tuition at RC would come to $63,600.00 not including incidentals. Incidentally a year at Harvard would run you about half of that, and you'd benefit far more and not be abused.
It is relatively inexpensive compared to what a hospital charges per day.
Harvard will run you about $50,000 which works out to be $5,500 a month (considering a child goes for about 9 months a year.) Link (http://http://www.harvard.edu/about/glance.php)
I'd be interested in seeing some source citing your claim of of $1,000-$2,000 per day for a non critical stay at a hospital. Keep in mind even if that is true, factor how much a person is paying out of pocket expensive once their medical insurance kicks in.
Businesses need to rely on a set income per person whether or not it is out of pocket or if insurance pays them. They really dont care where the money comes from.
Here are the results of some random searches for average costs of hospital stays per day: I didnt differentiate between critical and non-critical
$3,500 Link (http://http://corevancouver.com/guide-to-purchasing-travel-insurance-for-visitors-to-canada/)
$1,000 Link (http://http://books.google.com/books?id=Y48O-GX_RoEC&pg=PA207&lpg=PA207&dq=per+day+cost+of+non+critical+hospital+stay&source=bl&ots=iydw_E0PPt&sig=Wbuta8eFXe0rD9ELVMGfrzuZ7t4&hl=en&ei=vb0kTZSZHY66sAOxmb3BAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=per%20day%20cost%20of%20non%20critical%20hospital%20stay&f=false)
$4,300 Link (http://http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2008/10/27/story2.html)
Hazeldon is very expensive, however it's much more effective, much less abusive, isn't coerced, and doesn't last nearly as long and therefore doesn't cost as much as RC.
I had a relative in Hazeldon for over a year. The first month or so was close to a $1,000 a day and then after stabilization it drops down to maybe half that. (out of pocket)
What if instead of passing it off to parents, Buchi took a slightly smaller cut? I can tell you first hand from the year I spent locked up in HLA, that very little is actually spent on the kids. The place is a dump and every corner that can be cut is.
I think we would have to know what the guys expenses are and how much the school can afford to absorb. I am sure it would be a combination of both, but we both know that added costs are usually passed off to the consumer.
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It is relatively inexpensive compared to what a hospital charges per day.
Harvard will run you about $50,000 which works out to be $5,500 a month (considering a child goes for about 9 months a year.) Link
The tuition at Harvard is 38 thousand and change. The room and board puts the total up to 50. The incidentals aren't being counted at RC, so for this we shouldn't count them at Harvard. Either way however the total is less than Ridge Creek, and by far much less abusive.
Here are the results of some random searches for average costs of hospital stays per day: I didnt differentiate between critical and non-critical
You did earlier. Obviously there's a huge difference between critical and non critical and the cost associated between them.
I had a relative in Hazeldon for over a year. The first month or so was close to a $1,000 a day and then after stabilization it drops down to maybe half that. (out of pocket)
Rehab is far more effective, and isn't coerced. If a person stays for long enough then eventually the cost will exceed RC, but they're still going to get more for their money.
I think we would have to know what the guys expenses are and how much the school can afford to absorb. I am sure it would be a combination of both, but we both know that added costs are usually passed off to the consumer.
After paying almost six grand a month? Why shouldn't he take a cut? I mean what are these parents paying for right now anyway?
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$175 per day is inexpensive.
CALO (Change Academy Lake of the Ozarks)
$250 - $400 per day.
No, just one is more expensive than the other. Would either one of you stay in a Motel 6 for $175.00 a night?
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The tuition at Harvard is 38 thousand and change. The room and board puts the total up to 50. The incidentals aren't being counted at RC, so for this we shouldn't count them at Harvard. Either way however the total is less than Ridge Creek, and by far much less abusive.
The payments to RCS include Room and Board.
After paying almost six grand a month? Why shouldn't he take a cut? I mean what are these parents paying for right now anyway?
Because we dont know what he is making now, Robert. Right now the accountants have it structured so that everyone gets paid at the end of the month. If they add expenses then they need to either increase their income (pass it off to the consumer) or take money away from peoples pay. Would you take a cut in pay to help pay for a night guard in your company so that the night people would be safer? Not many people would. I am sure the owner is given a salary like everyone else.
I agree that they seem to need more help (especially at night), but I dont know enough about their expenses and salaries to understand how the extra expenses should be covered.
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$175 per day is inexpensive.
CALO (Change Academy Lake of the Ozarks)
$250 - $400 per day.
No, just one is more expensive than the other. Would either one of you stay in a Motel 6 for $175.00 a night?
The prices are set by you and I, Robert. If people started paying $175 a night for a motel 6 and they rented all their rooms everynight then they would raise their rates until there was not a back log anymore. On the other hand if no one paid $175 a night for a Motel 6 then they would be forced to lower their price. They would continue to lower their price until people started to pull off the highway and check in. Once they get enough people coming in this will define what their rooms are worth. If there was a Motel 6 in Times Square, they would probably get $1,000 a night on New Years eve and you would have to book a year in advance.
The people set the prices for things, not the manufacturers. The parents set the price for RCS, not the owners.
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I disagree. People won't pay high prices if they know they are recieving a crap product. Program owners like Buchi use scare tactics and false advertising to lure lazy/desperate parents in and then provide a useless product. When it doesn't work they simply claim it's the parents/child's fault.
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I disagree. People won't pay high prices if they know they are recieving a crap product. Program owners like Buchi use scare tactics and false advertising to lure lazy/desperate parents in and then provide a useless product. When it doesn't work they simply claim it's the parents/child's fault.
Thank you.... :tup:
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I disagree. People won't pay high prices if they know they are recieving a crap product. Program owners like Buchi use scare tactics and false advertising to lure lazy/desperate parents in and then provide a useless product. When it doesn't work they simply claim it's the parents/child's fault.
Its okay to disagree, this is the strength of the forum design. I think you are right in one respect, Robert, that if someone is providing a crap product then people will not purchase it. If RCS does not provide a product worth its price then it will fold. The fact that it is thriving can be considered testimony that it is providing a service worthy of the price that it demands.
This is why I suggest that parents speak to parents who have had kids go through the program. This way the new prospective parents get a chance to ask some tough questions which the program may not want to answer.
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I think that prospective RCS parents should talk to the parents of the girls and boys who were raped and beaten. This way they get the truth and not some fake story from a parent who feels guilty for not doing their job and abandoning their child to the likes of seasoned child abusers/neglectors like RCS.
Once these idiot parents sink the kid's college fund into RCS they aren't going to admit that RCS is a shithole very readily. They have to justify ruining their child's future while simultaneously ruining their present. Parents carry a ton of denial about their children's abuse because of the cash they sunk into getting their kid abused. It's a common way of dealing with buyer's remorse - deny the problem so they can't be blamed for causing it.
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I think that prospective RCS parents should talk to the parents of the girls and boys who were raped and beaten. This way they get the truth and not some fake story from a parent who feels guilty for not doing their job and abandoning their child to the likes of seasoned child abusers/neglectors like RCS.
Once these idiot parents sink the kid's college fund into RCS they aren't going to admit that RCS is a shithole very readily. They have to justify ruining their child's future while simultaneously ruining their present. Parents carry a ton of denial about their children's abuse because of the cash they sunk into getting their kid abused. It's a common way of dealing with buyer's remorse - deny the problem so they can't be blamed for causing it.
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I think it depends on a person’s perspective. Watchful Yeoman, you obviously see the industry from a different vantage point and bring a unique argument to the table. Personally I don’t see why RCS would want to have parents speak to parents whose kids were raped or beaten any more than a car dealership would want to hang up pictures of car accidents and photos of people lying along the side of the road nor would they be likely to refer prospective customers to talk to those who had body parts amputated due to defective vehicles.
The schools will cherry pick a list of parents who had kids which did extremely well in the program, I think we would all agree. The prospective parents know this also, but it still gives them a chance to ask some questions that the school may be biased in answering. I think it is a good way for the parents to get some honest information about a school (or any product or business).
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Staff A said Resident #1 then
picked up a chair and said "not until I finish some business." Staff A said Resident #1 then threw
the chair against the window causing it to shatter.
Staff A went on to state that Resident #1 ran
out of his/her room towards Resident #2's room. Staff A said Resident #1 was screaming and
running causing residents to look. Staff A said when he/she got to the room there was Resident
#1 and #2. Staff A said he/she arrived in the room the same time Resident #3 and #4 entered. Staff
A reported that there was a split second where it was just Resident #1 and #2 alone in the room,
so he/she was able to pull Resident #2 to the side.
Staff A said Resident #1 was on the floor when
Resident #3 and #4 started kicking Resident #1.
Staff A then stated that he/she was trying to
cover Resident #1 and deflect as many of the kicks as possible. Staff A said about 10 seconds
after he/she arrived in the room, Staff C entered; however,
Staff C wasn't able to assist as much
because he/she was not trained in emergency safety interventions. Staff A said Resident #1
received about 10-15 kicks to the face and blood was everywhere.
Staff A then reported that
Resident #3 pushed Staff C to the side. Staff A recalled that Staff B came in the room right after
Staff C. Staff A stated that Resident #4 pushed Staff B through a crowd of residents that were
outside the room blocking the entrance. Staff A then reported that Staff B was able to get back up
and restrain Resident #4. Staff A said when Resident #4 was restrained, he/she could be heard
and got the residents to leave the area. Staff A said Staff B was able to get the aggressors out of
the room.
Staff A said he/she walked Resident #1 out of the room and and took Resident #1 to
the emergency room with Staff B.
Staff A stated that Staff C was on his/her second day of work,
so he/she was trying to get the residents away, but did not restrain anyone. Staff A indicated that
Resident #1 had a broken nose, 2 chipped teeth, but no concussion.
Staff A recalled that there
were about 15 residents present in the doorway at the time of the incident. Staff A reported that at
the time of the incident there were 29 residents total, including the ones that were fighting, and
three staff members on duty for that dorm.
Interview with Resident #1 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 2:42 pm. Resident #1 reported that at
the beginning of the day he/she had a fight with another resident that day, who was later picked
on by Resident #5. Resident #1 said she/he told his/her counselor about the issue and the
counselor spoke with Resident #5. Resident #1 said later that day Resident #2 came to his/her
room and threatened him/her. Resident #1 said he/she got angry and ran down the hall to
Resident #2's room. Resident #1 said they started fighting and all he/she can remember is being
attacked by others. Resident #1 said Staff A was trying to keep Resident #2 off of him/her, while
Staff B was trying to enter the room.
Resident #1 stated that some residents blocking the door.
Resident #1 said residents were hitting him/her. Resident #1 said he/she went to the hospital and
was diagnosed with a broken nose and swelling. Resident #1 said Staff A and B took him/her to
the emergency room. Resident #1 said he/she blacked out a little when he/she was hit to the
head.
Resident #1 reported that staff knew he/she was getting angry throughout the day, but Staff
A did what he/she could. Resident #1 said he/she told his/her counselor that day that he/she was
being antagonized by Resident #5. Resident #1 said he/she thinks that Staff A knew about the
problems he/she was having and that's why Staff A came to the room to talk. Resident #1 said
Staff C didn't get in the room, but Staff B was trying to keep people out of the room.
Interview with Staff C was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:00 pm. Staff C said on June 10th, he/she
noticed something was going on when Resident #1 broke a window. Staff C said Staff A was with
Resident #1. Staff C said he/she was floating around the dorms when he/she heard yelling. Staff
C said Resident #2 was in the hallway when Resident #1 made it into Resident #2's room.
Staff C
said it was a "mad rush" between residents and staff going to the room. Staff C said when he/she
made it in the room, he/she saw Resident #2, #3, and #4 beating on Resident #1. Staff C stated
that he/she grabbed the shoulder of Resident #3 while Staff A was shielding Resident #1. Staff C
said Resident #3 was able to break free and kick Resident #1. Staff C said Staff B came in the
room after having some trouble entering due to residents blocking the doorway.
Obviously, RCS is just a "school" where there's lots of "structure" to keep it a "safe environment for the kids."
RCS is like Lord of the fucking Flies, man. The inmates run it.
I'm sure RCS will make these parents available for others to interview before locking their kids up at RCS, right?
Those DHS reports just keep a-comin' now, don't they?
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Obviously, RCS is just a "school" where there's lots of "structure" to keep it a "safe environment for the kids."
RCS is like Lord of the fucking Flies, man. The inmates run it.
I'm sure RCS will make these parents available for others to interview before locking their kids up at RCS, right?
Those DHS reports just keep a-comin' now, don't they?
I have to agree here that RCS needs more help especially on the night staff. If a child was beat up or did not do well than I don't believe that RCS would use his/her name as a reference for prospective parents to call. I don't think RCS would use the students listed above.
Think of it this way:
If you owned a restaurant and someone had a bad experience, had a rude waiter etc. You would not solicit them as a reference to other prospective customers or list their responses on your web site. You want to try to list only those people who had the most positive experiences.
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I think it depends on a person’s perspective. Watchful Yeoman, you obviously see the industry from a different vantage point and bring a unique argument to the table. Personally I don’t see why RCS would want to have parents speak to parents whose kids were raped or beaten any more than a car dealership would want to hang up pictures of car accidents and photos of people lying along the side of the road nor would they be likely to refer prospective customers to talk to those who had body parts amputated due to defective vehicles.
The schools will cherry pick a list of parents who had kids which did extremely well in the program, I think we would all agree. The prospective parents know this also, but it still gives them a chance to ask some questions that the school may be biased in answering. I think it is a good way for the parents to get some honest information about a school (or any product or business).
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This guy just loves his backyard barbecue stories. I think he has like cue cards an pulls the appropriate card for the conversation. Like a robot. No feeling, no connection just a detached response to a personal experience. Children are seriously suffering and he is arguing amputated body parts and defective vehicles. Nice......real nice. I am so pleased that on a professional level parents, children and others affiliated with the TTI can see who exactly you are, Whooter.
Keep it coming. Your contribution is being duly noted.
The children Whooter, we are all talking about saving children.
RCS will go the way of HLA.
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The children Whooter, we are all talking about saving children.
RCS will go the way of HLA.
I think where you are getting hung, Heretik, up is that you are unable to recognize the children who are benefiting from these therapeutic schools. You seem to only be able to see the children who did not do well or were hurt by the process. I think that is why my point of view is more balanced because I am able to see the larger picture and both the kids who were hurt and those who did well.
If I worked in a body shop all day and never saw a new car or one that was undamaged I may think (like you do) that all cars have dents in them.
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I think it depends on a person’s perspective. Watchful Yeoman, you obviously see the industry from a different vantage point and bring a unique argument to the table. Personally I don’t see why RCS would want to have parents speak to parents whose kids were raped or beaten any more than a car dealership would want to hang up pictures of car accidents and photos of people lying along the side of the road nor would they be likely to refer prospective customers to talk to those who had body parts amputated due to defective vehicles.
The schools will cherry pick a list of parents who had kids which did extremely well in the program, I think we would all agree. The prospective parents know this also, but it still gives them a chance to ask some questions that the school may be biased in answering. I think it is a good way for the parents to get some honest information about a school (or any product or business).
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This guy just loves his backyard barbecue stories. I think he has like cue cards an pulls the appropriate card for the conversation. Like a robot. No feeling, no connection just a detached response to a personal experience. Children are seriously suffering and he is arguing amputated body parts and defective vehicles. Nice......real nice. I am so pleased that on a professional level parents, children and others affiliated with the TTI can see who exactly you are, Whooter.
Keep it coming. Your contribution is being duly noted.
The children Whooter, we are all talking about saving children.
RCS will go the way of HLA.
You got that right, man. It's the same old, tired, canned, BS responses for over half a decade now. Kids are burgers. Kids are cars. Kids are restaurants. Or my favorite...
The customer is the parent, the product is the child.
When your expressed view is that "children are products" it's really hard to spin it as "I care about children." It just doesn't add up.
For the soul-less amongst us, programs are the best thing since sliced kids...errrr...bread.
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You got that right, man. It's the same old, tired, canned, BS responses for over half a decade now. Kids are burgers. Kids are cars. Kids are restaurants. Or my favorite...
I do like analogies, I admit that. Many people like and understand them as a communication tool, but I understand and accept that some do not.
The customer is the parent, the product is the child.
Some people may view it as the child is both the customer and the product. But since the parents are the ones asking and paying for the service I think it is fitting that they be defined as the customer. The product would then be the child because the child is the focus of the work being done. I hope this helps to convey my thinking.
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Wow. That's some seriously demented thoughts. No wonder you have no ability to grasp the concept of therapy. You need some though.
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We had a highschool teacher who was teaching Biology and at one point he referred to us as products of our parents. He pointed out that we had characteristics of those before us in our family. Some kids objected (as you have) to the use of calling the kids “products”. He pointed out that we were still young, had much of our education ahead of us and, as students, we still carried one/two dimensional thinking and that eventually we would see that words can carry multiple meanings and need to accept new ideas and points of view.
As far as grasping the concept of therapy, you may be right. I understand its value because I have seen the positive results first hand in family members and friends. But I don’t claim to understand all the facets of the profession because it was not my professional focus.
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So, let me explain it to you in the context of the TTI/Ridge Creek School:
"The parent is the mark, the child is the victim."
Under normal treatment circumstances, we would call the child the "client" or the "patient". I hope this helps.
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So, let me explain it to you in the context of the TTI/Ridge Creek School:
"The parent is the mark, the child is the victim."
Under normal treatment circumstances, we would call the child the "client" or the "patient". I hope this helps.
lol, okay, I will take that as your way of saying you understand.
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Yes, I understand that you do not understand the concept and I understand that children are not products. They are people.
Unfortunately, at RCS, they are considered "cash cows" and end up being horribly abused in a dangerous environment where assaults, beatings and rapes are commonplace events according to DHS oversight reports.
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Yes, I understand that you do not understand the concept and I understand that children are not products. They are people.
Unfortunately, at RCS, they are considered "cash cows" and end up being horribly abused in a dangerous environment where assaults, beatings and rapes are commonplace events according to DHS oversight reports.
So you want the readers to believe that DHS documents beatings and rapes in their reports yet the school is still open and no one has been fired or brought to trial? Hmm... okay. How about kidnapping, torture and brainwashing? They must do that too lol Does the DHS document the "amber alerts" in their reports too?
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Staff A said Resident #1 then
picked up a chair and said "not until I finish some business." Staff A said Resident #1 then threw
the chair against the window causing it to shatter.
Staff A went on to state that Resident #1 ran
out of his/her room towards Resident #2's room. Staff A said Resident #1 was screaming and
running causing residents to look. Staff A said when he/she got to the room there was Resident
#1 and #2. Staff A said he/she arrived in the room the same time Resident #3 and #4 entered. Staff
A reported that there was a split second where it was just Resident #1 and #2 alone in the room,
so he/she was able to pull Resident #2 to the side.
Staff A said Resident #1 was on the floor when
Resident #3 and #4 started kicking Resident #1.
Staff A then stated that he/she was trying to
cover Resident #1 and deflect as many of the kicks as possible. Staff A said about 10 seconds
after he/she arrived in the room, Staff C entered; however,
Staff C wasn't able to assist as much
because he/she was not trained in emergency safety interventions. Staff A said Resident #1
received about 10-15 kicks to the face and blood was everywhere.
Staff A then reported that
Resident #3 pushed Staff C to the side. Staff A recalled that Staff B came in the room right after
Staff C. Staff A stated that Resident #4 pushed Staff B through a crowd of residents that were
outside the room blocking the entrance. Staff A then reported that Staff B was able to get back up
and restrain Resident #4. Staff A said when Resident #4 was restrained, he/she could be heard
and got the residents to leave the area. Staff A said Staff B was able to get the aggressors out of
the room.
Staff A said he/she walked Resident #1 out of the room and and took Resident #1 to
the emergency room with Staff B.
Staff A stated that Staff C was on his/her second day of work,
so he/she was trying to get the residents away, but did not restrain anyone. Staff A indicated that
Resident #1 had a broken nose, 2 chipped teeth, but no concussion.
Staff A recalled that there
were about 15 residents present in the doorway at the time of the incident. Staff A reported that at
the time of the incident there were 29 residents total, including the ones that were fighting, and
three staff members on duty for that dorm.
Interview with Resident #1 was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 2:42 pm. Resident #1 reported that at
the beginning of the day he/she had a fight with another resident that day, who was later picked
on by Resident #5. Resident #1 said she/he told his/her counselor about the issue and the
counselor spoke with Resident #5. Resident #1 said later that day Resident #2 came to his/her
room and threatened him/her. Resident #1 said he/she got angry and ran down the hall to
Resident #2's room. Resident #1 said they started fighting and all he/she can remember is being
attacked by others. Resident #1 said Staff A was trying to keep Resident #2 off of him/her, while
Staff B was trying to enter the room.
Resident #1 stated that some residents blocking the door.
Resident #1 said residents were hitting him/her. Resident #1 said he/she went to the hospital and
was diagnosed with a broken nose and swelling. Resident #1 said Staff A and B took him/her to
the emergency room. Resident #1 said he/she blacked out a little when he/she was hit to the
head.
Resident #1 reported that staff knew he/she was getting angry throughout the day, but Staff
A did what he/she could. Resident #1 said he/she told his/her counselor that day that he/she was
being antagonized by Resident #5. Resident #1 said he/she thinks that Staff A knew about the
problems he/she was having and that's why Staff A came to the room to talk. Resident #1 said
Staff C didn't get in the room, but Staff B was trying to keep people out of the room.
Interview with Staff C was conducted on 6/28/2010 at 3:00 pm. Staff C said on June 10th, he/she
noticed something was going on when Resident #1 broke a window. Staff C said Staff A was with
Resident #1. Staff C said he/she was floating around the dorms when he/she heard yelling. Staff
C said Resident #2 was in the hallway when Resident #1 made it into Resident #2's room.
Staff C
said it was a "mad rush" between residents and staff going to the room. Staff C said when he/she
made it in the room, he/she saw Resident #2, #3, and #4 beating on Resident #1. Staff C stated
that he/she grabbed the shoulder of Resident #3 while Staff A was shielding Resident #1. Staff C
said Resident #3 was able to break free and kick Resident #1. Staff C said Staff B came in the
room after having some trouble entering due to residents blocking the doorway.
Obviously, RCS is just a "school" where there's lots of "structure" to keep it a "safe environment for the kids."
RCS is like Lord of the fucking Flies, man. The inmates run it.
I'm sure RCS will make these parents available for others to interview before locking their kids up at RCS, right?
Those DHS reports just keep a-comin' now, don't they?
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The Georgia Department of Social Services periodic reports further support that these kids are out of control and need help. As the above poster has pointed out this is not normal activity for teenagers and the kids are obviously suffering from emotional disorders. I think we can all agree that these kids were not doing well in their home environment and would not be able to thrive in a public school system.
The ORS reports support the schools position that these kids need therapy and a structured environment to assist them in their growth towards independence. Most of these same kids that are acting out today move on to attend college and become productive members of society thanks to RCS's efforts and the dedicated staff that work hard to turn these kids around.
The team work between the Department of Social services and RCS serves a vital role in the continuous improvement of this small, but growing, therapeutic school.
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It's a jail, not a school.
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The fact that it is thriving can be considered testimony that it is providing a service worthy of the price that it demands.
Thriving? What are you basing this on Whooter, and how could you possibly know?
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The fact that it is thriving can be considered testimony that it is providing a service worthy of the price that it demands.
Thriving? What are you basing this on Whooter, and how could you possibly know?
Ridge Creek is actively expanding their employee base for 2011 to meet the growing demand for RCS's services.
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Ridge Creek is actively expanding their employee base for 2011 to meet the growing demand for RCS's services.
This is you attempting to spin a situation to make it look good. They aren't expanding anything, they have numerous vacancies they are required to fill. Growth would be the hiring of additional staff, or creating new positions, this is filling in a hole. Nothing more. There is no growing demand for RC because the truth about this place keeps coming to light.
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Ridge Creek is actively expanding their employee base for 2011 to meet the growing demand for RCS's services.
This is you attempting to spin a situation to make it look good. They aren't expanding anything, they have numerous vacancies they are required to fill. Growth would be the hiring of additional staff, or creating new positions, this is filling in a hole. Nothing more. There is no growing demand for RC because the truth about this place keeps coming to light.
Actually you are wrong, Robert, this is the school preparing for 2011 growth. As readers, we all know that if RCS was required to fill these positions you would have presented the requirement. They did fine in 2010 without their present staff and since they are experiencing growth they need to add on new people. We can all agree that any business which is struggling or not doing well is not going to hire all these high salaried people, they would be laying off people.
As usual you come up short in your attempts to put a negative spin on Ridge Creek Schools signs of success.
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Whooter if you travel to Vegas head over to the craps table lose $200 the first night, but come back the second and win $200 the second and then go home, would you say you earned any money as a result of your trip?
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Whooter if you travel to Vegas head over to the craps table lose $200 the first night, but come back the second and win $200 the second and then go home, would you say you earned any money as a result of your trip?
If you looked at just the craps activity the trip would be a "wash". If you included the money you spent on food, hotel and travel then you would have lost money on the trip. If you factored in that you had a good time as a result of the trip then you could say you came out ahead.
So it depends on ones' perspective.
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So from a finacial perspective, you at best case not including trip expenses broke even. Counting the trip expenses you lost money on the trip.
RC was operating with several positions filled. They then lost the people in those positions either through terminations, layoffs, or the people simply quit. Now they are attempting to refill those same previously filled positions.
3-3+3=3 That is not growth. Stop spinning.
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So from a finacial perspective, you at best case not including trip expenses broke even. Counting the trip expenses you lost money on the trip.
RC was operating with several positions filled. They then lost the people in those positions either through terminations, layoffs, or the people simply quit. Now they are attempting to refill those same previously filled positions.
3-3+3=3 That is not growth. Stop spinning.
If you look at the web site and the employees they had last year you would see that these are newly created positions that are opening up. Len is taking a step back from his various hats and hiring new people due to present and anticipated expansion. There is no requirement that they have to hire people, Robert. Adding all these salaried people to their roster is a result of their present growth and preparing for 2011.
I think we can all agree that if they were not doing well then they would be laying off. So we can conclude that they are thriving in this economy and preparing for a prosperous 2011.
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If you look at the web site and the employees they had last year you would see that these are newly created positions that are opening up. Len is taking a step back from his various hats and hiring new people due to present and anticipated expansion. There is no requirement that they have to hire people, Robert. Adding all these salaried people to their roster is a result of their present growth and preparing for 2011.
I think we can all agree that if they were not doing well then they would be laying off. So we can conclude that they are thriving in this economy and preparing for a prosperous 2011.
They aren't required to have a headmaster? Or an admissions director? What kind of place is this? You're claiming now they've been operating this entire time without these key positions filled?
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If you look at the web site and the employees they had last year you would see that these are newly created positions that are opening up. Len is taking a step back from his various hats and hiring new people due to present and anticipated expansion. There is no requirement that they have to hire people, Robert. Adding all these salaried people to their roster is a result of their present growth and preparing for 2011.
I think we can all agree that if they were not doing well then they would be laying off. So we can conclude that they are thriving in this economy and preparing for a prosperous 2011.
They aren't required to have a headmaster? Or an admissions director? What kind of place is this? You're claiming now they've been operating this entire time without these key positions filled?
When businesses are starting out and are small the owner takes on many responsibilities and is the head of every department. As the business grows and prospers the owner steps back and hires department heads and other employees to meet with the growing demand. As RCS continues to grow they will hire more people.
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Whooter wrote:
When businesses are starting out and are small......
Starting out? Whooter RC has been around for years. Furthermore much of the infrastructure of HLA was simply transfered over to RC after we forced Buchi to close up shop. So you're claiming that this entire time RC has been operating without key staff members?
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Whooter wrote:
When businesses are starting out and are small......
Starting out? Whooter RC has been around for years. Furthermore much of the infrastructure of HLA was simply transfered over to RC after we forced Buchi to close up shop. So you're claiming that this entire time RC has been operating without key staff members?
RC was a wilderness only and just recently changed into a boarding school for college preparatory kids who are at-risk. After HLA closed they needed to start over. When a place starts over they need to employ (or re-employee) new ed-cons to refer students to them. They need to employ new people, this takes time to grow the business back to the point where they can afford to hire heads for each department, especially Master leveled employees. Small businesses and businesses starting out are run by the people who start them and they wear several hats for years until the business grows to a point where they can start hiring people to head up various departments which allows the owners to step back a little and manage the business instead of the day to day details.
It appears that RCS has positioned itself to take on more students than it did in 2010. Hiring heads of departments is a very good sign especially in this economy.
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RC was a wilderness only and just recently changed into a boarding school for college preparatory kids who are at-risk. After HLA closed they needed to start over. When a place starts over they need to employ (or re-employee) new ed-cons to refer students to them. They need to employ new people, this takes time to grow the business back to the point where they can afford to hire heads for each department, especially Master leveled employees. Small businesses and businesses starting out are run by the people who start them and they wear several hats for years until the business grows to a point where they can start hiring people to head up various departments which allows the owners to step back a little and manage the business instead of the day to day details.
It appears that RCS has positioned itself to take on more students than it did in 2010. Hiring heads of departments is a very good sign especially in this economy.
So again you're sticking by the claim that RC has never had these positions filled?
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Bruce is correct here. They had these positions filled previously and now are operating without them.
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These positions, along with a number of others, are vacant because those who held them previously feared for their personal saftey, as well they should. No one, to my knowledge, is still working at Hidden Lake/Ridge Creek who was there a few years ago, or even one year ago. My prediction is that those they hire to fill these positions will not be there one year from now, unless they are all former corrections department employees who are used to dealing with dangerous criminals.
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These positions, along with a number of others, are vacant because those who held them previously feared for their personal saftey, as well they should. No one, to my knowledge, is still working at Hidden Lake/Ridge Creek who was there a few years ago, or even one year ago. My prediction is that those they hire to fill these positions will not be there one year from now, unless they are all former corrections department employees who are used to dealing with dangerous criminals.
Thanks for clarifying this for us, DEE. Our resident RCS spokesperson has been spinning several yarns about the state of affairs at RCS. I'm glad to get your confirmation that he is indeed lying.
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Guest 3 I am surprised your dialogue is allowed. Mine was deleted without notice:) I gather one cannot advise another "they are out of their league."
To the above poster... Guest 3 has read ALL the ORS regulations, along with myself, and Deborah. There was constant dialogue between the ORS and the activists aforementioned, including DJ, to tighten the loopholes in their regulations and to finally require Hidden Lake Academy that was "with purpose" "operating undar the radar and allowed to for over 11 years(at the time of ORS licensing). Documents and emails between the ORS and the aforementioned activists, also shared with the GAO agents are solid. Their findings, "all the Georgia agencies, including the Georgia GAO and the ORS repeatedly dropped the ball." Among other things. Agent recommendation " Go to the Federal Att. Gen. of Georgia."
The last exchange with the ORS in 2010, emails and the Governor's office(phone conversation) was still demanding accountability.
Guest 3 met with the GAO agents assigned to Hidden Lake Academy in Washington, D.C. and the GAO interviewed countless others by visits in Georgia and lengthy phone conversations, emails, document collection over 4 months.
Mr. Buccellato dodged their bullet, only because of the on-going Class suit in Federal court.
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Guest 3, Jill, DJ, Dee and RobertBruce,
Thanks for your hard work. This clarafication is welcome news. This fool has colored these boards for the last time with his BS.
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Bucci can be whatever he wants. Why don't you ask the former and current parents how many times he's actually shown up there on campus? Oh, perhaps once in a while to pander for money. He never sat down with any of our kids to talk to them nor did he ever contact any of us to let us know how he thought our children were doing. (And since he's a "doctor" he should be able to do that.)
This is from another thread, but important:
I have read the ORS rules and regulations, but thank you for the suggestion. Our actions and diligence helped lead to the state of Georgia ultimately requiring HLA/RCS to become licensed. Unlike you, I do want to be informed - I'm not just spinning tales to further my own cause or personal agenda. I would love to post links, but unfortunately ORS's web site is currently under construction and I can't post the links. I'm not going to bother posting the link to show you it's down - do it yourself if you're really that interested in knowing the truth.
As for rape documents... I think even you, Whooter, are smart enough to know that rape victims files are sealed and their identities are protected for obvious reasons. But I think you already knew this, Captain Obvious.
Thanks for trying to discredit us. Better luck next time.Guest3
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Thanks for clarifying, Guest3. Whooter is a spokesperson for RCS and we realize he is lying about RCS. The reports tell the truth.
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When businesses are starting out and are small......
Starting out? Whooter RC has been around for years. Furthermore much of the infrastructure of HLA was simply transfered over to RC after we forced Buchi to close up shop. So you're claiming that this entire time RC has been operating without key staff members?
RC was a wilderness only and just recently changed into a boarding school for college preparatory kids who are at-risk. After HLA closed they needed to start over. When a place starts over they need to employ (or re-employee) new ed-cons to refer students to them. They need to employ new people, this takes time to grow the business back to the point where they can afford to hire heads for each department, especially Master leveled employees. Small businesses and businesses starting out are run by the people who start them and they wear several hats for years until the business grows to a point where they can start hiring people to head up various departments which allows the owners to step back a little and manage the business instead of the day to day details.
It appears that RCS has positioned itself to take on more students than it did in 2010. Hiring heads of departments is a very good sign especially in this economy.
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Whooter - you are dead wrong. HLA never really closed - it was re-named Mountain Brook Academy while Ridge Creek Wilderness was still operational. Now Mountain Brook Academy has been re-named Ridge Creek School so Bucci still has two operations going on the same property. HLA/MBA/RCS has been open for business all along. The staff that he had at HLA/MBA/RCS just transitioned with the name changes. Bucci never had to "start over" as you imply. Please get the facts straight (which by the way are a matter of public record).
http://www.ridgecreek.org/ (http://www.ridgecreek.org/)
http://www.ridgecreekschool.com/ (http://www.ridgecreekschool.com/)
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Let's not forget "CREEEKSIDE" which accroding to THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE was never registered. Also the ORS DIRECTOR never heard of "CREEKSIDE" and the DJJ DIRECTOR faintly recalled a contract with "CREEKSIDE."
RCS moving forward:
DJJ - RIDGE CREEK WILDERNESS AND CREEKSIDE
by Jill Ryan » 28 Sep 2009, 17:47
According to court records, doc. 64 FILED 09-27-09 PAGES 9-11, under "RIDGE CREEK SCHOOL BUDGET" SEPT. 2009- AUG. 2010 , "RIDGE CREEK WILDERNESS" and "CREEKSIDE" BUDGETS are on hold "PENDING RELEASE OF FUNDS FROM THE STATE OF GEORGIA WHICH HAS PLACED A FREEZE ON ALL PLACEMENTS BY THE DJJ AND DEFCS.
** " THE PROJECTED INCOME FROM RCW AND CREEKSIDE WAS TO BE 75,000. PER MONTH PROGRAM AND CAN BE ACTIVATED IN TWO DAYS WITH MINIMAL OPERATIONAL COST."
NICE JOB ORS.. DO THE FAMILIES PLACING THEIR CHILDREN AT RIDGE CREEK SCHOOL KNOW THIS? DO THE ED. CONS KNOW THIS?
DOES THE TOWN COUNCIL KNOW THIS?
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So Ridge Creek School does not accept kids from the Department of Juvenile Justice. There was talk earlier here that RCS had juvy kids which we find out now is not true. Its good that we get this cleared up.
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Thanks for clarifying, Guest3. Whooter is a spokesperson for RCS and we realize he is lying about RCS. The reports tell the truth.
You make up lies about RCS because they found out you lied on your employment application about serving time for selling drugs to kids. So they terminated you on the spot (which was the right thing to do), DJ. You cannot work in any aspect of the industry due to your record and now you blame RCS.
If you would like me to re-post the link I would be happy to.
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I'm completely forgot about Creekside! Of course there have been so many of them, it's hard to keep them all straight.
Whooter - you asked a question about why we don't correct people you believe are lying about RCS. Very simple, it's been my personal experience (as with many others on here) to have been lied to by HLA/RCS on numerous occasions. The reports they put forth are inaccurate and manipulated to conceal the true events that occur when they've been forced to write up an incident report. I have been lied to my face, as well as in emails and phone calls. The bottom line is anything they say lacks any credibility because they have lied and distorted the truth so much in my past experience. They've obviously got you fooled or you would be able to realize that an "unwanted sexual encounter" is rape or sexual assault. So much of what happened/happens is covered up, not reported, or the story is changed to lessen the severity of what occurred. I question YOUR motives. Why do you care so much about RCS? Do you have money invested there? Why would you start a thread called "RC experiencing well deserved success"? First of all, what is meant by "well deserved"? What have they done to earn a claim of "well deserved"? Sadly it's just YOUR attempt to derail the real issues here and market a sinking ship. Have you ever been to HLA or RCS? Or is all of this just how you believe it to be? We HAVE been there, we HAVE experienced these things firsthand.
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So Ridge Creek School does not accept kids from the Department of Juvenile Justice. There was talk earlier here that RCS had juvy kids which we find out now is not true. Its good that we get this cleared up.
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No, they do accept children from DJJ and other states DJJs. Creekside was going to be an exclusive deal with the state of Georgia to have all of their DJJ kids sent to Creekside. The deal never went through. Again, get your facts straight and stop trying to manipulate what is written.
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So Ridge Creek School does not accept kids from the Department of Juvenile Justice. There was talk earlier here that RCS had juvy kids which we find out now is not true. Its good that we get this cleared up.
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No, they do accept children from DJJ and other states DJJs.
Thank you for clearing this up. These are the types of lies that I wish you and Jill would clear up when they are told. When DJ lies about the ORS reporting that kids are raped and lies and says that RCS accepts Juvy kids it is important that you stand up to the lies. Again, Guest3, thank you for stepping forward. I think if you can stick to the facts then you will increase your credibility. The lying does not help your cause at all.
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I'm completely forgot about Creekside! Of course there have been so many of them, it's hard to keep them all straight.
Whooter - you asked a question about why we don't correct people you believe are lying about RCS. Very simple, it's been my personal experience (as with many others on here) to have been lied to by HLA/RCS on numerous occasions. The reports they put forth are inaccurate and manipulated to conceal the true events that occur when they've been forced to write up an incident report. I have been lied to my face, as well as in emails and phone calls. The bottom line is anything they say lacks any credibility because they have lied and distorted the truth so much in my past experience. They've obviously got you fooled or you would be able to realize that an "unwanted sexual encounter" is rape or sexual assault. So much of what happened/happens is covered up, not reported, or the story is changed to lessen the severity of what occurred. I question YOUR motives. Why do you care so much about RCS? Do you have money invested there? Why would you start a thread called "RC experiencing well deserved success"? First of all, what is meant by "well deserved"? What have they done to earn a claim of "well deserved"? Sadly it's just YOUR attempt to derail the real issues here and market a sinking ship. Have you ever been to HLA or RCS? Or is all of this just how you believe it to be? We HAVE been there, we HAVE experienced these things firsthand.
You are forgetting one thing, Guest3, the DHS are talking to the kids directly about the incidents. You cannot fool the readers into believing that they are also lying in the ORS reports. The ORS never reported any rape occurring, they understand the definition better than you do, they work with kids at risk all the time, if there was a rape they would have stated that. Lying does not help your cause at all. Why not just tell the truth instead of trying to discredit RCS and now the ORS reports? It really makes all of you look very bad.
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I'm completely forgot about Creekside! Of course there have been so many of them, it's hard to keep them all straight.
Whooter - you asked a question about why we don't correct people you believe are lying about RCS. Very simple, it's been my personal experience (as with many others on here) to have been lied to by HLA/RCS on numerous occasions. The reports they put forth are inaccurate and manipulated to conceal the true events that occur when they've been forced to write up an incident report. I have been lied to my face, as well as in emails and phone calls. The bottom line is anything they say lacks any credibility because they have lied and distorted the truth so much in my past experience. They've obviously got you fooled or you would be able to realize that an "unwanted sexual encounter" is rape or sexual assault. So much of what happened/happens is covered up, not reported, or the story is changed to lessen the severity of what occurred. I question YOUR motives. Why do you care so much about RCS? Do you have money invested there? Why would you start a thread called "RC experiencing well deserved success"? First of all, what is meant by "well deserved"? What have they done to earn a claim of "well deserved"? Sadly it's just YOUR attempt to derail the real issues here and market a sinking ship. Have you ever been to HLA or RCS? Or is all of this just how you believe it to be? We HAVE been there, we HAVE experienced these things firsthand.
You are forgetting one thing, Guest3, the DHS are talking to the kids directly about the incidents. You cannot fool the readers into believing that they are also lying in the ORS reports. The ORS never reported any rape occurring, they understand the definition better than you do, they work with kids at risk all the time, if there was a rape they would have stated that. Lying does not help your cause at all. Why not just tell the truth instead of trying to discredit RCS and now the ORS reports? It really makes all of you look very bad.
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Yawn. Please point out where I am lying? How soon does DHS talk to the kids after these incidents occur? Hours, days, weeks or months? I know for a fact that in some of the incidents that occurred the kids weren't interviewed until weeks and months after the incidents occurred. And even then the staff members wanted to sit in the rooms with the kids while they were being interviewed. How open do you think these kids are going to be with the threat of Big Brother over them? I'm not trying to discredit or say the ORS is lying. Their reports are only going to reflect how comfortable the kids feel talking to complete strangers. After my child was attacked my child was told the incident wasn't as bad as he made it out to be by a staff member.
BTW - when are you going to answer the questions I asked you?
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I'm completely forgot about Creekside! Of course there have been so many of them, it's hard to keep them all straight.
Whooter - you asked a question about why we don't correct people you believe are lying about RCS. Very simple, it's been my personal experience (as with many others on here) to have been lied to by HLA/RCS on numerous occasions. The reports they put forth are inaccurate and manipulated to conceal the true events that occur when they've been forced to write up an incident report. I have been lied to my face, as well as in emails and phone calls. The bottom line is anything they say lacks any credibility because they have lied and distorted the truth so much in my past experience. They've obviously got you fooled or you would be able to realize that an "unwanted sexual encounter" is rape or sexual assault. So much of what happened/happens is covered up, not reported, or the story is changed to lessen the severity of what occurred. I question YOUR motives. Why do you care so much about RCS? Do you have money invested there? Why would you start a thread called "RC experiencing well deserved success"? First of all, what is meant by "well deserved"? What have they done to earn a claim of "well deserved"? Sadly it's just YOUR attempt to derail the real issues here and market a sinking ship. Have you ever been to HLA or RCS? Or is all of this just how you believe it to be? We HAVE been there, we HAVE experienced these things firsthand.
You are forgetting one thing, Guest3, the DHS are talking to the kids directly about the incidents. You cannot fool the readers into believing that they are also lying in the ORS reports. The ORS never reported any rape occurring, they understand the definition better than you do, they work with kids at risk all the time, if there was a rape they would have stated that. Lying does not help your cause at all. Why not just tell the truth instead of trying to discredit RCS and now the ORS reports? It really makes all of you look very bad.
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Yawn. Please point out where I am lying? How soon does DHS talk to the kids after these incidents occur? Hours, days, weeks or months? I know for a fact that in some of the incidents that occurred the kids weren't interviewed until weeks and months after the incidents occurred. And even then the staff members wanted to sit in the rooms with the kids while they were being interviewed. How open do you think these kids are going to be with the threat of Big Brother over them? I'm not trying to discredit or say the ORS is lying. Their reports are only going to reflect how comfortable the kids feel talking to complete strangers. After my child was attacked my child was told the incident wasn't as bad as he made it out to be by a staff member.
BTW - when are you going to answer the questions I asked you?
So lets agree that you were mistake about the ORS reporting that a rape occurred. We both have read the reports and have read that the kids are interviewed by DHS. We know that the police are involved periodically.
If you can point out where the ORS claims a rape occurred then I think the readers would be interested to see it. But you cant just insert the word rape into their report or try to discredit DHS because they mis worded the documents or didnt know how to handle an interview with children. I think many of you have stooped to a low level of misleading the readers by trying to discredit the DHS and their report accuracy.
As far as your question I will look back and see what I missed.
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Thanks for clarifying, Guest3. Whooter is a spokesperson for RCS and we realize he is lying about RCS. The reports tell the truth.
You make up lies about RCS because they found out you lied on your employment application about serving time for selling drugs to kids. So they terminated you on the spot (which was the right thing to do), DJ. You cannot work in any aspect of the industry due to your record and now you blame RCS.
If you would like me to re-post the link I would be happy to.
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This is not true. Buccellato knew of the backgrounds of staff, exploiting those people, so that he could control them. Documents /emails attest to that fact. There were numerous employees that had previous drug problems, including counselors.
The only people that the backgrounds were hidden from were the parents.
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This is not true. Buccellato knew of the backgrounds of staff, exploiting those people, so that he could control them. Documents /emails attest to that fact. There were numerous employees that had previous drug problems, including counselors.
The only people that the backgrounds were hidden from were the parents.
I dont want this to turn into a "Smear DJ thread" so lets end it with this:
I personally would advise never to tell. Nothing good can come from it. Only REAL possibility is getting terminated on the spot.
DEFINITELY don't tell, even when asked.
The laws are all fucked up, yes. I ended up getting hit with 1-3 in NYS system for my first and only pop - no sale involved. However, I was CHARGED with A Class felony which carries 25-life in NY.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=103722#p103722)
He could never get another job in the industry after that (there are other posts to support this) and is now blaming HLA/RCS. My point being that this may be enough motivation to lie and spend years here on fornits trying to discredit the school.
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I worked at Daytop after HLA. There goes that theory. TTI damage control hack monkeys will say anything to try to impugn critics, but it's rarely, if ever, true, especially from this profligate prevaricator. Not to mention the post he quoted was written by "Troll Control" and Whooter phonied up the quote and attributed it to me. Just click on the link to reveal the lie, lol. Shot yourself in the foot there, huh?
Anyway, the topic of the thread is RCS, a dangerous, understaffed, legally troubled private detention center.
Moderators please clean up the trash in the previous post. Thanks.
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"I dont want this to turn into a "Smear DJ thread" so lets end it with this:"
Dysfunction Junction wrote:
I personally would advise never to tell. Nothing good can come from it. Only REAL possibility is getting terminated on the spot.
DEFINITELY don't tell, even when asked.
The laws are all fucked up, yes. I ended up getting hit with 1-3 in NYS system for my first and only pop - no sale involved. However, I was CHARGED with A Class felony which carries 25-life in NY.
Link
He could never get another job in the industry after that (there are other posts to support this) and is now blaming HLA/RCS. My point being that this may be enough motivation to lie and spend years here on fornits trying to discredit the school.
You wrote: " Dysfunction Junction wrote": Yet the link supplied states "Troll Control." Whom is it that you are quoting? Or do you just write in anyone you wish?
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viewtopic.php?p=103722#p103722 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=103722#p103722)
The link you provided.
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Nice catch, Jill. Some people, like Whooter, will tell all sorts of lies to advance their agenda. You caught him in what is just one of a long string of lies. It's what he does.
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I worked at Daytop after HLA.
Until they found out you lied on your resume. You finally had to give up on your career because background checks were becoming more commonplace and easier to do.
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http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=103722#p103722
The link you provided.
Troll Control and Dysfunction Junction are the same person. We had all of DJ's linked together and then he changed his name to Troll Control and posts under various names now.
Look at the post "below the one I linked to" it captured the original posters name "Dysfunction Junction".
Here lets take another look:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=103722#p103722)
Again, Jill, you defend the lies that are told here. You and DJ are also trying to say that the ORS reported a rape on RCS campus yet when the readers ask you for a link to your source you turn and run. The word rape was never used and no one was arrested.
Why do you continue to support lies against RCS? What do you feel is gained by lying about RCS?
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Gee, that speaks volumes... another cut and post placing "Dysfunction Junction" where "Troll Control" was.
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Gee, that speaks volumes... another cut and post placing "Dysfunction Junction" where "Troll Control" was.
Yes, they are the same person, thank you.
Again, Jill, the reason your credibility is eroding is because you defend the lies that are told here. You and DJ are also trying to say that the ORS reported a rape on RCS campus yet when the readers ask you for a link to your source you turn and run. The word rape was never used and no one was arrested.
Why do you continue to support lies against RCS? What do you feel is gained by lying about RCS?
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Gee, that speaks volumes... another cut and post placing "Dysfunction Junction" where "Troll Control" was.
Again, Jill, you defend the lies that are told here. You and DJ are also trying to say that the ORS reported a rape on RCS campus yet when the readers ask you for a link to your source you turn and run. The word rape was never used and no one was arrested.
Why do you continue to support lies against RCS? What do you feel is gained by lying about RCS?
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I have not defended any lies. I have defended the character of those you blatantly attempt to assassinate on this thread.
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I have not defended any lies. I have defended the character of those you blatantly attempt to assassinate on this thread.
I think you have, Jill. Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS. Did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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I have not defended any lies. I have defended the character of those you blatantly attempt to assassinate on this thread.
I think you have, Jill. Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS. Did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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Well, praise God, your 'opinion' has merit and holds credence.
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I have not defended any lies. I have defended the character of those you blatantly attempt to assassinate on this thread.
I think you have, Jill. Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS. Did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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Well, praise God, your 'opinion' has merit and holds credence.
Jill, Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS, did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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Jill, Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS, did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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Jill you claim that you have been honest in the information you have provided here about HLA and RCS. In the reports that you have released here on fornits regarding RCS was there ever a rape reported by DHS in those ORS reports that you released?
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Moderators, we need a cleanup of repetive drivel in this thread, please.
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Jill, Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS, did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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Jill you claim that you have been honest in the information you have provided here about HLA and RCS. In the reports that you have released here on fornits regarding RCS was there ever a rape reported by DHS in those ORS reports that you released?
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Jill, Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS, did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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Jill you claim that you have been honest in the information you have provided here about HLA and RCS. In the reports that you have released here on fornits regarding RCS was there ever a rape reported by DHS in those ORS reports that you released?
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Jill, Tell me then, the ORS reports from RCS, did the DHS report any rapes occurring at RCS in their reports?
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Jill you claim that you have been honest in the information you have provided here about HLA and RCS. In the reports that you have released here on fornits regarding RCS was there ever a rape reported by DHS in those ORS reports that you released?
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Well, this rape occurred and wasn't reported to police or DHS, but RCS got caught with the coverup when investigators got a tip and interviewed the victim.
It stands to reason that there were other incidents but because RCS routinely covers up sex assaults, or rape in this case, the victims of these crimes have to suffer in silence.
RCS claims to be a "school," but schools are duty-bound by law to report crimes against students. RCS apparently does not report crimes against the inmates housed there to the police.
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
Here's the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
definition (http://http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+activity)
So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse." We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter. Read it carefully and try to understand what it means. It's the definition of "rape."
RCS did not report this rape to the police, nor did they report the serious battery on a staff to police either. Only after police/DHS investigate do they find out the true nature of the crimes committed on the grounds of the private correctional facility.
The Dahlonega Nugget also reported a "near riot" on the grounds as well, according toa local resident. Who's running this place and why is it so unsafe for inmates and guards?
Rape/sex assault/beatings, etc. seem to be happening regularly there according to DHS reports.
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Why are posters like Jill Ryan and Dysfunction Junction teaming up and supporting posts like the following?
Well, this rape occurred and wasn't reported to police or DHS, but RCS got caught with the coverup when investigators got a tip and interviewed the victim.
It stands to reason that there were other incidents but because RCS routinely covers up sex assaults, or rape in this case, the victims of these crimes have to suffer in silence.
I have read the ORS reports and there is no mention of Rape at all nor have they reported any rapes. I have asked Jill why this false information is being spread and she avoids the question which is telling in itself. Does anyone know what motives these people would have to make up stories about Ridge Creek School? If there really was a problem with Ridge Creek School then why would people have to resort to making up reports that dont exist.
In my experience if a place is bad then it is enough to just expose the truth. With this desperation to fabricate stories about RCS I think there are other motives involved which is getting in the way of being honest with the readers. Not sure how this affects the validity of the cut and paste ORS reports which we have seen so far from Jill, but I think it would be in the best interest of the readers to insist on a link back to the original ORS Documents to insure the reports are not being altered like we are seeing here.
A worthwhile thread may be to catalog the lies and altered documents that are presented here on fornits to attack this school by these people.
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As we all know, these reports can be accessed at: http://167.193.144.216/ (http://167.193.144.216/)
Older ORS Investigative reports can be found in Fornits search under Hidden Lake Academy. Links are also provided, if not by me, then other posters that have helped.
If one would like all /older Hidden Lake Academy/ Ridge Creek School ORS records, one must fill out a form per FOIA. I would suggest an attorney as it took and year and a half for me to get the records without one.
http://http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PQD711.pdf
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI0017104ZRP11.pdf[url=http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PDD612.pdf]http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... PDD612.pdf
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... WSNV11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710WSNV11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... PDD611.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PDD611.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... POS511.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710POS511.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... FEM911.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001713FEM911.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... EZ4R11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001713EZ4R11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... 2LZU11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CAMP/OTP0010222LZU11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... XMFP11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CAMP/OTP001022XMFP11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... 2LZU11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CAMP/OTP0010222LZU11.pdf)[/url]
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As we all know, these reports can be accessed at: http://167.193.144.216/ (http://167.193.144.216/)
Older ORS Investigative reports can be found in Fornits search under Hidden Lake Academy. Links are also provided, if not by me, then other posters that have helped.
If one would like all /older Hidden Lake Academy/ Ridge Creek School ORS records, one must fill out a form per FOIA. I would suggest an attorney as it took and year and a half for me to get the records without one.
http://http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PQD711.pdf
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI0017104ZRP11.pdf[url=http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PDD612.pdf]http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... PDD612.pdf
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... WSNV11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710WSNV11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... PDD611.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710PDD611.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... POS511.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710POS511.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... FEM911.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001713FEM911.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... EZ4R11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001713EZ4R11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... 2LZU11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CAMP/OTP0010222LZU11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... XMFP11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CAMP/OTP001022XMFP11.pdf)
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... 2LZU11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CAMP/OTP0010222LZU11.pdf)[/url]
So why do you and Dysfunction Junction claim that a child was raped at RCS when there are no reports saying that? You and DJ place the links out here but then claim children are being raped. Why would you try to mislead the readers Jill?
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This was answered several times, Whooter. "Unwelcome sexual activity" is a synonym for "rape." You can stop asking.
Well, this rape occurred and wasn't reported to police or DHS, but RCS got caught with the coverup when investigators got a tip and interviewed the victim.
It stands to reason that there were other incidents but because RCS routinely covers up sex assaults, or rape in this case, the victims of these crimes have to suffer in silence.
RCS claims to be a "school," but schools are duty-bound by law to report crimes against students. RCS apparently does not report crimes against the inmates housed there to the police.
Based on record review, resident and staff interviews, the agency failed to provide for the needs,
care, protection, and supervision of the children in care;
Findings Include:
(1) During an interviews conducted on September 1, 2010 from 1:00 pm-3:30 pm with Residents
101, 102, 108, 109, 110, and 112 in which all residents acknowledged that they are aware of
residents engaging in sexually inappropriate behavior. It was reported that the residents would
sneak off in designated areas unbeknownst to staff.
(2) Record review on September 1, 2010 of Incident Report dated 06-06-10 for Resident #11
revealed Resident #11 along with 6 other females disclosed to staff an incident involving sexual
activity between Resident #11 and an older male resident. It was documented that Resident #11
appeared upset and stated that what occurred between herself (R11) and the male resident was
an unwelcome encounter.
Here's the definition of "sexual activity":
Noun 1. sexual activity - activities associated with sexual intercourse; "they had sex in the back seat"
definition (http://http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+activity)
So, now we see "sexual activity" by defintion means "sexual intercourse." We also see from the report that this sexual intercourse was "unwelcome," i.e. the girl was raped. "Unwelcome sexual intercourse," Whooter. Read it carefully and try to understand what it means. It's the definition of "rape."
RCS did not report this rape to the police, nor did they report the serious battery on a staff to police either. Only after police/DHS investigate do they find out the true nature of the crimes committed on the grounds of the private correctional facility.
The Dahlonega Nugget also reported a "near riot" on the grounds as well, according toa local resident. Who's running this place and why is it so unsafe for inmates and guards?
Rape/sex assault/beatings, etc. seem to be happening regularly there according to DHS reports.
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This was answered several times, Whooter. "Unwelcome sexual activity" is a synonym for "rape." You can stop asking.
Jill has already cleared this up, DJ, she verified that the ORS reports did not use the word rape. I am going to stick with the wording of the ORS Reports. You are fee to think what you like.
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Great, then you can stop asking. I can't understand why you kept asking if you already got an answer. There's a whole separate thread on the rape anyway. Let's move on.
I noticed the report never used the word "student" or "school" either. The reports indicate that RCS markets itself falsely as a "school" with "students," but they are a "CCI" with "residents." I wonder why RCS would market itself falsely like that?
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Great, then you can stop asking. I can't understand why you kept asking if you already got an answer. There's a whole separate thread on the rape anyway. Let's move on.
I noticed the report never used the word "student" or "school" either. The reports indicate that RCS markets itself falsely as a "school" with "students," but they are a "CCI" with "residents." I wonder why RCS would market itself falsely like that?
RCS is not recognized by the state of Georgia as a private school nor is it considered licensed by the state as a school; it is considered a child caring institution. Parents need to know this so they can make an informed decision before placing their child there. The fact that RCS is permitted to call itself a "school" is very questionable to me.
Whooter - if you question this call the school board yourself. They'll confirm the facts for you.
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Great, then you can stop asking. I can't understand why you kept asking if you already got an answer. There's a whole separate thread on the rape anyway. Let's move on.
I noticed the report never used the word "student" or "school" either. The reports indicate that RCS markets itself falsely as a "school" with "students," but they are a "CCI" with "residents." I wonder why RCS would market itself falsely like that?
RCS is not recognized by the state of Georgia as a private school nor is it considered licensed by the state as a school; it is considered a child caring institution. Parents need to know this so they can make an informed decision before placing their child there. The fact that RCS is permitted to call itself a "school" is very questionable to me.
Whooter - if you question this call the school board yourself. They'll confirm the facts for you.
It is called "Ridge Creek School" and is recognized under that name by the state of Georgia. I will need to go with that, if the state makes them drop the school off of their name then I think we can all call it something different, but for now we need to call it what it is. Even DJ calls it "Ridge Creek School" in his thread headers.
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Great, then you can stop asking. I can't understand why you kept asking if you already got an answer. There's a whole separate thread on the rape anyway. Let's move on.
I noticed the report never used the word "student" or "school" either. The reports indicate that RCS markets itself falsely as a "school" with "students," but they are a "CCI" with "residents." I wonder why RCS would market itself falsely like that?
RCS is not recognized by the state of Georgia as a private school nor is it considered licensed by the state as a school; it is considered a child caring institution. Parents need to know this so they can make an informed decision before placing their child there. The fact that RCS is permitted to call itself a "school" is very questionable to me.
Whooter - if you question this call the school board yourself. They'll confirm the facts for you.
It is called "Ridge Creek School" and is recognized under that name by the state of Georgia. I will need to go with that, if the state makes them drop the school off of their name then I think we can all call it something different, but for now we need to call it what it is. Even DJ calls it "Ridge Creek School" in his thread headers.
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So you agree that the term "school" is just a term and does not really hold any real credibility because the state of Georgia has not licensed or recognized RCS as an institution of learning?
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Yes, we all agree it's not a school. You can't have a school with no students, can you? What do they call a place that has "residents" like RCS? A detention center?
Anyway, this is off topic and Whooter should start a new thread about his theories surrounding RCS. This thread is for "Serious Safety Issues/ORS Violations". Thanks.
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It is called "Ridge Creek School" and is recognized under that name by the state of Georgia. I will need to go with that, if the state makes them drop the school off of their name then I think we can all call it something different, but for now we need to call it what it is. Even DJ calls it "Ridge Creek School" in his thread headers
Keeping in mind that Buchi played this same game with the state for years with HLA. He swore up and down that HLA was a 'traditional boarding school', yet he advertised and told ed cons it was a 'theraputic boarding school'. He did this as a way of avoiding oversite and regulation.
With that having been cleared up, Whooter why don't you share for us the definition of 'unwanted sexual activity'?
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*crickets*
I think he is trying to avoid the obvious, Robert.
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It appears very important to the shills that these therapeutic torture institutions be classified as schools.
Since when does insurance pay for tuition at traditional boarding schools?
To which boarding schools are parents able to deduct their expenses for traveling to visit their "disabled" child?
How many traditional boarding schools deny visits home as punishment and run year round?
The truth, they're Therapeutic (in name only) child caring institutions which are required by law to have an academic component. Do any of the accrediting agencies realize that some children are denied their school time as punishment? That most of the kids return home several credits behind their peers?
Have parents come close to realizing that these accreditation agencies are For-Profit businesses and couldn't care less about their child's education. Their primary interest is maximizing membership dues and running effective PR campaigns to keep their images up.
Ask Buchi how the "Special Needs School" classification came to be.
B: We're unique. Think you might add a new classification for us? Good PR if we could be the first to receive it.
S: Sure, but we might have to raise the dues on that one. Bein "special" and all.
B: No problem BFF. Now, let me remind you that those academic standards for traditional schools don't quiet fit our uniqueness either. I'm sure you can understand. Our first priority is "therapy", but rest assured, no patient who leaves HLA will be too far behind their counterparts in public school. We've already got several traditional schools lined up who'll take ex-HLAers, no matter their GPA, and get them caught up. If they're too far behind we'll just keep em an extra year. Know what I mean?
S: I completely understand and I think we'll be able to meet your needs. Just make the check out to.... and we'll get the ball rollin.
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It is called "Ridge Creek School" and is recognized under that name by the state of Georgia. I will need to go with that, if the state makes them drop the school off of their name then I think we can all call it something different, but for now we need to call it what it is. Even DJ calls it "Ridge Creek School" in his thread headers
Keeping in mind that Buchi played this same game with the state for years with HLA. He swore up and down that HLA was a 'traditional boarding school', yet he advertised and told ed cons it was a 'theraputic boarding school'. He did this as a way of avoiding oversite and regulation.
With that having been cleared up, Whooter why don't you share for us the definition of 'unwanted sexual activity'?
The man should be in jail for fraud. Instead, they're letting him die a slow death. He's hobbled along, has resorted to taking juvenile delinquents; just as many predicted would happen when the light finally shown on the dank darkness that was HLA.
You can't erradicate Evil. But you can sure jump up and down and draw attention to it wherever you find it soes others might avoid the inherent dangers.
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It appears very important to the shills that these therapeutic torture institutions be classified as schools.
Since when does insurance pay for tuition at traditional boarding schools?
To which boarding schools are parents able to deduct their expenses for traveling to visit their "disabled" child?
How many traditional boarding schools deny visits home as punishment and run year round?
The truth, they're Therapeutic (in name only) child caring institutions which are required by law to have an academic component. Do any of the accrediting agencies realize that some children are denied their school time as punishment? That most of the kids return home several credits behind their peers?
Have parents come close to realizing that these accreditation agencies are For-Profit businesses and couldn't care less about their child's education. Their primary interest is maximizing membership dues and running effective PR campaigns to keep their images up.
Ask Buchi how the "Special Needs School" classification came to be.
B: We're unique. Think you might add a new classification for us? Good PR if we could be the first to receive it.
S: Sure, but we might have to raise the dues on that one. Bein "special" and all.
B: No problem BFF. Now, let me remind you that those academic standards for traditional schools don't quiet fit our uniqueness either. I'm sure you can understand. Our first priority is "therapy", but rest assured, no patient who leaves HLA will be too far behind their counterparts in public school. We've already got several traditional schools lined up who'll take ex-HLAers, no matter their GPA, and get them caught up. If they're too far behind we'll just keep em an extra year. Know what I mean?
S: I completely understand and I think we'll be able to meet your needs. Just make the check out to.... and we'll get the ball rollin.
LOL
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http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS ... F6XP11.pdf (http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001710F6XP11.pdf)
Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this visit was to conduct the annual re-licensure study.
R 0833 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)4. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=C
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
4. Documentation of at least two professional, educational, or personal references that attest to the person's
capabilities of performing the duties for which they are employed and to t
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
complete written personnel record in one of five files. Findings include: Review of staff file D
conducted December 15, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to provide documentation of at
least two references attesting to the person's capabilities of performing the duties for which they
are employed. There were no references in the file. Staff D was hired December 21, 2009.
Interview with staff F conducted December 15, 2010 at 12:30pm acknowledged the findings.
This was previously cited December 3, 2008 and September 9, 2010.
R 0835 290-2-5-.08(5)(d)6. Recordkeeping. Personnel Records.
SS=B
[Written personnel records] records shall include the following: ...
6. Documentation from a licensed physician or other licensed healthcare professional of a health screening
examination within thirty (30) days of hiring sufficient in scope to identify
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
complete written personnel record in three of five files. Findings include: Review of staff file A,
C and D conducted December 15, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to provide documentation
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Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
of a health screening examination within thirty (30) days of hire. Staff A and C: The health
screening form was left blank in the file. Staff D: There was no documentation of a health
screening examination in the file. Staff A was hired March 15, 2010. Staff C was hired March 15,
2010. Staff D was hired December 21, 2009. Interview with staff F conducted December 15, 2010
at 12:30pm acknowledged the findings. This was previously cited September 9, 2010.
R 0851 290-2-5-.08(6)(d) Staffing.
SS=D
Staff Training. Prior to working with children, all staff, including the director, who work with children and are hired
after the effective date of these rules shall be oriented in accordance with these rules and shall thereafter
periodically receive addi
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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{ TX_RTF32 14.0.520.503;
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of staff
training prior to working with children in three of five files. Findings include: Review of staff
file A, C and D conducted December 15, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to provide staff
training prior to working with children. Staff A: Training was completed April 27, 2010, over one
month after hire. Staff A was hired March 15, 2010. Staff C: The agency provided a forty (40)
hour "Orientation" certificate dated June 10, 2010, over three months after hire. Staff C was hired
March 15, 2010. Staff D: There was no documentation of staff training in the file. Staff D was
hired December 21, 2009. Interview with staff F conducted December 15, 2010 at 12:30pm
acknowledged the findings.
R 0852 290-2-5-.08(6)(d)1. Staffing.
SS=D
[Staff] orientation shall include instruction in:
(i) The institution's purpose and description of services and its policies and procedures;
(ii) The employee's assigned duties and responsibilities;
(iii) Grievance policies and procedures;
(iv) Child
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
[Normal];{ Default Paragraph Font;
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
completed staff orientation in two of five files. Findings include: Review of staff file C and D
conducted December 15, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to provide a complete staff
orientation to include the following: Staff C: A forty (40) hour "Orientation" certificate dated
June 10, 2010. The certificate did not include documentation of instruction in the following areas:
Purpose and description of services; Employees assigned duties and responsibilities;
Grievance policies and procedures; Child abuse policies and procedures; Reporting
requirements for suspected cases of child abuse, sexual exploitation, notifiable diseases and
serious injuries; Policies and procedures for handling medical emergencies and managing use
of medication; Policies and procedures regarding appropriate behavior management and
emergency safety interventions. There was no other documentation of staff orientation in the
file. Staff D: There was no documentation of staff orientation in the file. Staff C was hired
March 15, 2010. Staff D was hired December 21, 2009. Interview with staff F conducted
December 15, 2010 at 12:30pm acknowledged the findings.
R 0859 290-2-5-.08(6)(d)2. Staffing.
SS=B
Additional training shall include twenty-four (24) clock hours of formal, annual training or instruction in child care
issues related to the employee's job assignment and to the types of services provided by the institution.
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of
twenty-four (24) hours of annual training in three of five files.
Findings include:
Review of staff file B , D and E conducted December 15, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to
provide twenty-four (24) hours of annual training or instruction in child care issues in the file.
Staff B : There was 1.5 hours of annual training in the file. There was no additional training
documentation in the file.
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Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
Staff D: There was 8.5 hours of annual training in the file. There was no additional training
documentation in the file.
Staff E: There was no documentation of annual training in the file.
Staff B was hired July 28, 2008. Staff D was hired December 21, 2009. Staff E was hired January
3, 2008.
Interview with staff F conducted December 15, 2010 at 12:30pm acknowledged the findings.
This was previously cited December 3, 2008.
R 1000 290-2-5-.10(1) Assessment and Planning.
SS=C
An institution shall complete a full written assessment of each child admitted for care and of each child's family
within thirty days of admission and develop an individual written service plan for each child based on the
assessments within thirty days of
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review, the agency failed to provide documentation of a completed assessment
within thirty days of admission in two of three files. Findings include: Review of resident file #1
and #2 conducted December 14, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to provide an assessment
"Psych Social Evaluation" within thirty days of admission. Resident #1: Completed November
29, 2010, over one month later than the due date. Resident #2: There was no assessment in the
file. Resident #1 was admitted to the program October 21, 2010. Resident #2 was admitted to the
program August 30, 2010. Interview with staff F conducted December 14, 2010 at 2:15pm
acknowledged the findings. This was previously cited December 3, 2008 and December 10,
2010.
R 1001 290-2-5-.10(a) Assessment and Planning.
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Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
SS=C
The facility ' s admission evaluation shall be coordinated by the child's designated Human Services Professional.
The facility shall assess the needs of the child in the areas of health care, room, board and watchful oversight,
education, family relations
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
complete assessment in three of three files Findings include: Review of resident file #1, file #2
and file #3 conducted December 14, 2010 revealed that the agency did not document a complete
assessment "Psych Social Evaluation" in the file. The agency failed to include the following in
the "Psych Social Evaluation" assessment: Resident #1: Health care, education, personal and
social development and behavioral issues "Psych Social Evaluation" dated November 29, 2010.
Resident #2: There was no assessment in the file. Resident #3: Education (not adequate)
agency documented the names of the school, personal development (not mentioned) "Psych
Social Evaluation" dated August 11, 2010. Interview with staff F conducted December 14, 2010 at
2:15pm acknowledged the findings. This was previously cited December 3, 2008 and December
10, 2009.
R 1003 290-2-5-.10(b) Assessment and Planning.
SS=C
A service and room, board and watchful oversight plan shall be developed by the child's Human Services
Professional in concert with the child's primary Child Care Worker, meaning the worker who has responsibility for
supervision of the child in the living
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review and staff review, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
completed service and room, board and watchful oversight (RBWO) plan developed by the
Human Services Professional in three of three files. Findings include: Review of resident file
#1, #2 and #3 conducted December 9, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to document a
complete RBWO plan in the file. The following was not documented in the " Individual Service
Plan" dated November 29, 2010 (8 days late) resident #1, September 20, 2010 for resident #2 and
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Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
August 11, 2010 for resident #3: Resident #1: 1. Activities to be followed by the staff in pursuit
of the goals and objectives; 2. Goals and preliminary plans for discharge (not clear); 3. Types of
discipline that should be used (not mentioned); Resident #2: 1. Methods of evaluating the goals
and objectives for problem #2 vocational and #3 residential (not clear); 2. Goals and preliminary
plans for discharge (not clear); 3. Types of discipline that should be used (not mentioned); 4.
Restrictions of communication and visitations (not clear). Resident #3: 1. Methods of evaluating
the goals and objectives for problem #2 vocational and #3 residential (not clear); 2. Goals and
preliminary plans for discharge (not clear); 3. Types of discipline that should be used (not
mentioned); 4. Restrictions of communication and visitations (not clear). Interview with staff F
conducted December 14, 2010 at 2:15pm acknowledged the findings. This was previously cited
July 21, 2010, September 9, 2010 and November 5, 2010.
R 1010 290-2-5-.10(c) Assessment and Planning.
SS=C
The child, and the parent(s) or guardian(s), or child placing agency representative shall be involved in the
development of the service and room, board and watchful oversight plans, and its periodic updates as described
below.
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of the
involvement of the child and the parent(s) in the development of the service and room, board and
watchful oversight (RBWO) plan in three of three files. Findings include: Review of resident file
#1, #2 and #3 conducted December 14, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to document the
involvement of the child and parent(s) in the service and room, board and watchful oversight
(RBWO) plan "Individual Service Plan" dated November 29, 2010 for resident #1, September 20,
2010 for resident #2 and August 11, 2010 for resident #3. The agency documented one request
on November 29, 2010 for parent involvement for resident #3. Interview with staff F conducted
December 14, 2010 at 2:15pm acknowledged the findings. This was previously cited December
10, 2009 and November 5, 2010.
R 1102 290-2-5-.11(3) Discharge and Aftercare.
SS=C
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Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
When a child is discharged, an institution shall compile a complete written discharge summary within thirty days of
the discharge. Such summary shall include:
(a) The name, address, telephone number and relationship of the person or entity to whom the chi
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of a
complete written discharge summary. Findings include: Review of resident file #4 on
December 14, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to provide a complete discharge summary
dated August 19, 2010 in the file. The agency failed to include the following: 1. Name, address,
telephone number and relationship of the person to whom the child was discharged (not
mentioned); 2. Family goals, objectives and accomplishments (not mentioned); Interview with
staff F conducted December 14, 2010 at 2:15pm acknowledged the findings. This was
previously cited December 3, 2008 and December 10, 2009.
R 1200 290-2-5-.12(1) Child Care Services.
Casework Services. All children in care and families of children in care shall receive case work services as
provided in their service plan from their assigned Human Services Professional or other appropriate professionals
who shall meet with and counsel
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of case
work services from the Human Services Professional or other appropriate professionals in three
of three files.
R 1209 290-2-5-.12(3)(a)1.(i) Health Services.
SS=C
Such [general physical] examination shall be done by a medical doctor, physician's assistant, or public health
department and shall include basic diagnostic laboratory work, including but not limited to a Complete Blood Count
(CBC) and basic urinanalysis;
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of
complete basic diagnostic laboratory work in two of three files. Findings include: Review of
resident file #1 and #2 conducted December 14, 2010 revealed that the agency failed to document
complete basic diagnostic laboratory work in the file. The agency failed to include the following:
Resident #1: There was no documentation of a hearing test in the file. Resident #2: There was
no documentation of a Complete Blood Count(CBC), basic urinalysis, vision and hearing tests in
the file. Interview with staff F conducted December 14, 2010 at 2:15pm acknowledged the
findings. This was previously cited December 10, 2009 and September 9, 2010.
R 1224 290-2-5-.12(3)(d)5. Health Services.
SS=B
[Medication use and management] policies and procedures shall include the following: ...
5. An institution shall maintain a record of all medications handed-out by authorized staff and taken by children to
include: name of child taking medication, name of
This Requirement is not met as evidenced by:
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Based on review of agency documentation and staff interview, the agency failed to maintain a
complete record of all medications handed-out by authorized staff and taken by children.
Findings include: Review of medical record #2 conducted December 15, 2010 revealed that the
agency failed to maintain a complete record of all medication handed-out by staff and taken by
the children. There was no documentation of the date and time taken, dosage taken, name and
signature of staff member for the following medication: Resident #2: Amphetamin ER 20mg
TEV (generic for Adderall) 1 tablet (not given 12-1-10 to 12-6-10). There was no other
documentation in the file. Interview with staff F conducted December 15, 2010 at 12:30pm
acknowledged the findings and revealed that the agency had to get approval from the parents to
administer the medication, Amphetamin ER 20mg TEV. This was previously cited December 10,
2009.
R 9999 Closing Comments.
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Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/14/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE RD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
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A brief exit conference was conducted on site. Although a formal written plan of correction is not
due to the surveyor until receipt of the final statement of deficiencies, all citations are expected
to immediately be brought into compliance with the rules and regulations. This is the final
report. The final report was e-mailed January 19, 2011. A plan of correction is due the Surveyor
by February 1, 2011.
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Here we go again. Every inspection shows us more and more violations. Most of these violations have been committed previously.
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WILL THE REAL "AGENCY, FACILITY, SCHOOL, CCI, OCCP, DJJ CONTRACT PROVIDER, PLEASE COME FORWARD...
HERE COMES MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY, which has not been a registered corporation with the State of Georgia since 2/11/2009.
http://http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_CCI/CCI001713MGES11.pdf
Georgia Department of Human Resources,
Office of Regulatory Services State Form
Statement of Deficiencies
and Plan of Correction
Inspection begin date
Inspection end date:
12/15/2010
12/15/2010
Name of Provider or Supplier
RIDGE CREEK, INC- MOUNTAIN BROOK ACADEMY
Street Address, City, State Zip Code
830 HIDDEN LAKE ROAD
DAHLONEGA, GA 30533
Inspection Results
As of: Wednesday, January 19, 2011
R 0000 Opening Comments.
The purpose of this visit was to conduct the annual re-licensure study.
R 9999 Closing Comments.
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The agency informed the Surveyor that there were no children placed at the agency for several
months and all staff are dispersed throughout the campus. There was no evidence that any
activity or any placements have occurred at the agency. The agency was instructed to inform the
Surveyor once children have been placed at the agency. There is no plan of correction due the
Surveyor.
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Based on record review and staff interview, the agency failed to provide documentation of staff training prior to working with children in three of five files.
Untrained, unqualified staff...again. This is like a bad movie.