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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Survey
« on: December 28, 2004, 08:12:00 AM »
So why "85 day jerk"? What is that? I like it, though.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / springfield 89-91
« on: December 27, 2004, 07:22:00 AM »
:rofl:
Haha...no, Brent was definately never on staff. I think I know who you're referring to. Their was a guy from the cincinati program named brent or brendon who came on around that time. What incident are you referring to?
Haha...no, Brent was definately never on staff. I think I know who you're referring to. Their was a guy from the cincinati program named brent or brendon who came on around that time. What incident are you referring to?
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / doc trailer....
« on: December 25, 2004, 09:28:00 AM »
Anyone else having trouble hearing this?
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Who was the Doctor and who was the Psych- at Straight VA
« on: December 25, 2004, 09:15:00 AM »
Pugliese was guys doctor also '87 to '89. Does anyone know how Lord was connected? Was he actually a client? I might know this one.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / why animals is such a nutcase
« on: December 12, 2004, 11:32:00 PM »
Wha?! Presto/chango again! :grin:
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Lets Get Small........
« on: December 12, 2004, 11:30:00 PM »
I dunno greg.
I am impressed that you have approached the 'rents with this. I honestly think my dad couldn't take it. He is a frail old man with parkinson's disease, and struggles every day to survive. I'm sure if asked he would still say "god bless straight" as he did for several years after I was withdrawn. He was not one of those "warehousing-type" parents. He really thought he was doing the right thing and agonized about his decision. Then of course, once we were in there, the brainwashing began on him. He was broken down, his wife just died and kid was in real trouble, business failing...he was, and still is, a mess. I seriously think it would do him harm to discuss this, and I have no need to do that to him.
Bob, my Dad and I will never communicate sanely. Straight, drugs and mental disease have ruined that. No matter what I say to him, he will never fully hear what I am saying...like the interpreter is getting like every 5th word correct. And everything he says to me sounds like disapproval. Actually often it is! And step mom, everytime I bring up straight to her she reminds me how fucked-up I was in there. Then tells me they had no other choice.
I talked to an old friend about straight last week out on my awesome fishing boat. She said that when I used to tell her about straight back when we were in high school, it made her cry. People on the outside of this really think it's fucked-up!
I am impressed that you have approached the 'rents with this. I honestly think my dad couldn't take it. He is a frail old man with parkinson's disease, and struggles every day to survive. I'm sure if asked he would still say "god bless straight" as he did for several years after I was withdrawn. He was not one of those "warehousing-type" parents. He really thought he was doing the right thing and agonized about his decision. Then of course, once we were in there, the brainwashing began on him. He was broken down, his wife just died and kid was in real trouble, business failing...he was, and still is, a mess. I seriously think it would do him harm to discuss this, and I have no need to do that to him.
Bob, my Dad and I will never communicate sanely. Straight, drugs and mental disease have ruined that. No matter what I say to him, he will never fully hear what I am saying...like the interpreter is getting like every 5th word correct. And everything he says to me sounds like disapproval. Actually often it is! And step mom, everytime I bring up straight to her she reminds me how fucked-up I was in there. Then tells me they had no other choice.
I talked to an old friend about straight last week out on my awesome fishing boat. She said that when I used to tell her about straight back when we were in high school, it made her cry. People on the outside of this really think it's fucked-up!
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Get Ready To Set The VCR or TIVO
« on: December 12, 2004, 11:15:00 PM »
What the hell happened to this thread? Really weird, am I missing something?
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / why animals is such a nutcase
« on: December 11, 2004, 06:30:00 PM »
Am I hallucinating or is that the old peitra? :wave:
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / A Recovery Program For You
« on: December 07, 2004, 09:05:00 AM »
And gas masks! I remember all the army surplus stores in the area were out of "Israeli-type gas masks". They were just the standard ones or something. They were selling for like $100 a pop! Ca-ching!
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / A Recovery Program For You
« on: December 06, 2004, 08:44:00 PM »
So, that's how they did it. Fear trumps reason everytime. My favorite is the "but in an unsubstantiated way" that way, you never know if the warning has been resolved.
They're all piling up inside me..all the warnings.
They're all piling up inside me..all the warnings.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / A Recovery Program For You
« on: December 03, 2004, 07:19:00 AM »
LOL!
I think I'll throw away that plane ticket :smile:
I'm really not alone! :wave:
I think I'll throw away that plane ticket :smile:
I'm really not alone! :wave:
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Who maintains this site?
« on: December 03, 2004, 07:16:00 AM »
I know! I feel like I'm trapped with the same bunch of people all over again. Now we're in an e-warehouse.
Misbehaver: Are you saying that there are actual phasers from current straight spin-offs reading and posting on this site? Unbelievable. Isin't there some sort of rule against this? Not that I'm against them coming here to find out what they're really involved in, but I wouldn't stay in straight one more day (if I ever had the choice) if I read the stuff on this and Wes's site.
Misbehaver: Are you saying that there are actual phasers from current straight spin-offs reading and posting on this site? Unbelievable. Isin't there some sort of rule against this? Not that I'm against them coming here to find out what they're really involved in, but I wouldn't stay in straight one more day (if I ever had the choice) if I read the stuff on this and Wes's site.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Poll about Alcoholics Anonymous
« on: November 19, 2004, 07:39:00 AM »
It is clear to me that many here have not actually been to a meeting, or at least not in awhile. Through your depictions, I am picturing a sort of leader guy teaching everyone that they will experience jails, institutions or death if they refuse to evangelize the unsuspecting innocent suffering.
This is just not how it is, but I am realizing as I type this that there is no way to prove this to you...and frankly no reason.
No, there's no hard data...AA has no opinion on that. There's nothing to prove. If it helps, come, if not...go. AA is not Borg, jeez.
This is just not how it is, but I am realizing as I type this that there is no way to prove this to you...and frankly no reason.
No, there's no hard data...AA has no opinion on that. There's nothing to prove. If it helps, come, if not...go. AA is not Borg, jeez.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Poll about Alcoholics Anonymous
« on: November 18, 2004, 05:20:00 PM »
Who's "they"? I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next, but there really isin't an individual or group that is benefitting/profitting from all this groupthink shame-based brainwashing.
There is no man behind the curtain folks.
(hey, another wizard of oz reference-I swear I didn't plan that)
I really think it's a shame that straight left such a bad taste in so many peoples' mouths about 12 step groups-they really have nothing in common with each other. Straight tried to ride on there coat tails, and b/c of the fact that there are no leaders in AA, no one could tell them not to. AA simply has no opinion.
There is no man behind the curtain folks.
(hey, another wizard of oz reference-I swear I didn't plan that)
I really think it's a shame that straight left such a bad taste in so many peoples' mouths about 12 step groups-they really have nothing in common with each other. Straight tried to ride on there coat tails, and b/c of the fact that there are no leaders in AA, no one could tell them not to. AA simply has no opinion.
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Poll about Alcoholics Anonymous
« on: November 17, 2004, 09:53:00 AM »
12 step programs don't promise to "fill in all the blanks". NA promises only the freedom from active addiction. AA makes a few more. Most people I know who have attended meetings for awhile eventually learn that there are things that these programs simply cannot address. I have several issues in my life that I sure as hell would never share in a meeting.
The first step of NA says that "we admitted we were powerless over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable".
That doesn't mean that we have no power over our self will, decisions, actions, etc. But being powerless over addiction is the definition of addiction. If you're not an addict, it doesn't apply to you.
12 step programs provide the "therapeutic value of one addict helping another" which cannot be found in hospitals, from doctor's, detoxes, social workers or Straight. Again, not an addict? Then it probably won't help you.
The best part of any of this is I make the diagnosis. If YOU decide you are an addict, alcoholic, junkie (whatever-all the same) than so be it. If not, then don't come, or do, whatever!
Shame, fear, coercion? What? Sounds like straight, not any meetings I've ever been to. It saddens me to think some here may have encountered this in meetings. This violates the steps and traditions. I have definately met some real assholes in AA and NA (lots), and have also met some of the most caring people I know, who to this day are most closest friends. They give me love, empathy and insight I can get nowhere else, especially from my family.
For me, the only good that came of straight was pointing me towards 12 step programs. Granted, when I got outa straight I thought I had invented the 12 steps and was gonna teach everyone how it was done, but that was another part in my straight deprogramming.
About the poll. Here's a cop out: AA and NA work for me, so I can't really have an opinion on who else it may work for. All of that is a personal decision. I will make one blanket statement: anyone in AA or NA that says their program is for everyone and/or uses fear and shame to coerce you into attending meetings has shit of their own to deal with. :eek:
The first step of NA says that "we admitted we were powerless over our addiction, that our lives had become unmanageable".
That doesn't mean that we have no power over our self will, decisions, actions, etc. But being powerless over addiction is the definition of addiction. If you're not an addict, it doesn't apply to you.
12 step programs provide the "therapeutic value of one addict helping another" which cannot be found in hospitals, from doctor's, detoxes, social workers or Straight. Again, not an addict? Then it probably won't help you.
The best part of any of this is I make the diagnosis. If YOU decide you are an addict, alcoholic, junkie (whatever-all the same) than so be it. If not, then don't come, or do, whatever!
Shame, fear, coercion? What? Sounds like straight, not any meetings I've ever been to. It saddens me to think some here may have encountered this in meetings. This violates the steps and traditions. I have definately met some real assholes in AA and NA (lots), and have also met some of the most caring people I know, who to this day are most closest friends. They give me love, empathy and insight I can get nowhere else, especially from my family.
For me, the only good that came of straight was pointing me towards 12 step programs. Granted, when I got outa straight I thought I had invented the 12 steps and was gonna teach everyone how it was done, but that was another part in my straight deprogramming.
About the poll. Here's a cop out: AA and NA work for me, so I can't really have an opinion on who else it may work for. All of that is a personal decision. I will make one blanket statement: anyone in AA or NA that says their program is for everyone and/or uses fear and shame to coerce you into attending meetings has shit of their own to deal with. :eek: