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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 26, 2006, 10:43:02 AM
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Is this HLA's idea of damage control?
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Testimonials.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Testimonials.aspx)
Parents
?HLA, although you would never wish it on your family, definitely turned into a growing experience for all of us. We talk more as a family about feelings than we ever did before.?
Kris K, TX
?After graduating from HLA my son continued his education and graduated cum laude and received his Phi Beta Kappa recognition. He is a strapping 150 pounds now ? afar cry from the 200 + prior to Hidden Lake. He had abandoned using all anti-depressants while at HLA and continues to remain off of them.
Randy S, MA
I can honestly say that I shall miss HLA more than my child. At the conclusion of my initial tour of the school, I told the admissions person to please just give me my daughter back. He said that the school would do everything possible to make that happen. And you did? I will always marvel and respect HLA?s ability to take threads of despair, anger, distrust and hurt in families and weave them back together in the form of hope, faith, renewed trust and harmony?
Cindee G, GA
?We just returned from our son?s new school. Every report we received from his teachers and advisor was the most positive and very hopeful for future success. We came away feeling grateful to HLA and confident about his future. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your kindness and understanding.?
Jean and Dan P, IL
?How does a parent thank the staff and school that totally turned around their child? Sending him away to HLA 24 months ago was the hardest decision my husband and I ever made! Why was our son so angry? Why was he doing so poorly at school and at home? Was HLA the right place to address his needs? All of HLA have done a better job than we could have ever dreamed of. He is now a mature, thoughtful, caring young man and a pleasure to be around. Our son was accepted at his first choice college and has a career in mind. Most 18 year olds look on college as one big party. Not my son. His goal setting is remarkable. Thank all the staff from the bottom of my heart! Your guidance and wonderful program has made an enormous impact on my son?s life!?
Jonie P, GA
?Our grandson is such a different young man than the one we left in your care in the beginning. My husband and I did not know if we were doing the right thing for him or not. As he said in his graduation speech, he thought we had given up on him and were abandoning him. We felt the same way. What a change! HLA gave him the confidence to participate in sports, to know that he could excel academically and to make friends and be accepted. Our tears at graduation were far different from the ones we shed when we first left him. Thank you for returning our boy to us!
Ann S,FLA
Service Projects
?Jerusalem House residents would like to thank your student group for all the hard work performed. Our staff was astonished by all the work your students performed in such a short time. I hope that the Service learning portion of your visit was enlightening to the students. Make no mistake, your students fulfill a mission every time they volunteer. We cannot thank you enough.?
?On behalf of the hundreds of men and women and children we serve, I want to thank the Hidden Lake Academy volunteers for giving their time and talents to the Mission. Atlanta Union Mission is a ministry based on people- those that give and those that receive. Your student volunteers have taught us about care and compassion and it is our hope that their experience was meaningful and rewarding. I hope your future volunteer plans will continue to include the Atlanta Union Mission
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I can honestly say that I shall miss HLA more than my child.
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I can honestly say that I shall miss HLA more than my child.
I guess that says it all.
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This is why you cannot get into a pissing contest with HLA over whether or not they actually help kids. For every person that gets on here to tell their horror story, you will have a parent or former student talk about how much they were helped.
You are better off sticking to the arguments listed in the lawsuit. Things like HLA not providing what they promise to provide. And, HLA not being governed by any legitimate regulatory agency. Those are the points that cannot be denied and are provable.
Admit it or not, many kids have been helped by HLA. Len Buccellato just does not know how to run a school the right way.
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This is why you cannot get into a pissing contest with HLA over whether or not they actually help kids. For every person that gets on here to tell their horror story, you will have a parent or former student talk about how much they were helped.
You are better off sticking to the arguments listed in the lawsuit. Things like HLA not providing what they promise to provide. And, HLA not being governed by any legitimate regulatory agency. Those are the points that cannot be denied and are provable.
Admit it or not, many kids have been helped by HLA. Len Buccellato just does not know how to run a school the right way.
All very valid points, and yes, there are kids who've been helped by HLA. I'd have to guess it's Bucci who directed someone to put those on the web site trying to pretend all is still well at HLA and that no wrong could have occured at HLA. That's the part that infuriates me.
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I agree with you. The timing of this is extremely suspect. Typical.
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were these always on their website?
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This is why you cannot get into a pissing contest with HLA over whether or not they actually help kids. For every person that gets on here to tell their horror story, you will have a parent or former student talk about how much they were helped.
You are better off sticking to the arguments listed in the lawsuit. Things like HLA not providing what they promise to provide. And, HLA not being governed by any legitimate regulatory agency. Those are the points that cannot be denied and are provable.
Admit it or not, many kids have been helped by HLA. Len Buccellato just does not know how to run a school the right way.
All very valid points, and yes, there are kids who've been helped by HLA. I'd have to guess it's Bucci who directed someone to put those on the web site trying to pretend all is still well at HLA and that no wrong could have occured at HLA. That's the part that infuriates me.
Well, this "testimonials" section of the website was BLANK last week. COMPLETELY BLANK. Not a single parent or child posted saying HLA helped them. For over a year that board sat utterly blank.
So...Take it for what it's worth: NOTHING. It's damage control, plain and simple. I have sincere doubts that these are even real "testimonials." Looks pretty phony, folks.
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?HLA, although you would never wish it on your family, definitely turned into a growing experience for all of us. We talk more as a family about feelings than we ever did before.?
Kris K, TX
Could Kris K. be the mother of Patrick K? Didn't he try to commit suicide by hanging himself? Am I thinking of the right kid?
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. He is a strapping 150 pounds now ? afar cry from the 200 + prior to Hidden Lake.
Maybe that's because the food isn't edible, and the punishment is continuous excersizing and child labor.
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KENNEDY,, PATRICK WAYNE Passed away peacefully at his home on October 16, 2006. Patrick was born July 8, 1987 in Tulsa, Oklahoma and brought much joy and happiness to all who were blessed to know him. He is survived by his parents Michael and Kristi Kennedy and sisters Alex and Erin all of Dallas, Texas. Maternal grandparents are Bob and Marg McElroy of Comanche, Texas. He is also survived by his aunt, Mitzi Patin, precious cousins Jake and Luke, his nanny of 19 years Ester Rich, all of Dallas, Texas, and many other aunts, uncles and cousins from Dublin, Texas. He was predeceased by his paternal grandparents, Joe and Pat Kennedy of Dublin, Texas. Patrick loved life and always had a huge smile for those around him. He truly loved his family and friends to the fullest and was loved by the many people he touched in return. He was so kind to all and his compassion for those he met each day was unsurpassed. Patrick had a zest for life and a passion for music. When he sang, his voice produced such a celebration of life and today we rejoice that he is singing with the angels at the throne of God. Patrick was active in the Boy Scouts and a member of the Order of the Arrow. He was involved in choir and received several awards during high school. Patrick graduated from Hidden Lake Academy in Georgia and was attending Collin County Community College. He was a member of The Heights Baptist Church. Services will be held Thursday, October 19, 2006 at 1:00 pm at The Heights Baptist Church, Richardson, Texas. Graveside services and burial will be at the Gardens of Memories in Comanche, Texas at 1:00 pm on Friday, October 20, 2006. Donations may be made to Chapel Fund - Patrick Kennedy, Hidden Lake Academy, 830 Hidden Lake Road, Dahlonega, Georgia 30533. Dignity Memorial Sparkman Hillcrest 7405 W. Northwest Hwy. Dallas (214) 363-5401
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OH MY GOD!! Please everyone pray for Pat, he was a great friend and peer. He will be missed!
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Cow- what happened to Pat? What was the cause of death? Did you know Max kutch at HLA? Or Chad Wallace?
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KENNEDY,, PATRICK WAYNE Passed away peacefully at his home on October 16, 2006. Patrick was born July 8, 1987 in Tulsa, Oklahoma and brought much joy and happiness to all who were blessed to know him. He is survived by his parents Michael and Kristi Kennedy and sisters Alex and Erin all of Dallas, Texas. Maternal grandparents are Bob and Marg McElroy of Comanche, Texas. He is also survived by his aunt, Mitzi Patin, precious cousins Jake and Luke, his nanny of 19 years Ester Rich, all of Dallas, Texas, and many other aunts, uncles and cousins from Dublin, Texas. He was predeceased by his paternal grandparents, Joe and Pat Kennedy of Dublin, Texas. Patrick loved life and always had a huge smile for those around him. He truly loved his family and friends to the fullest and was loved by the many people he touched in return. He was so kind to all and his compassion for those he met each day was unsurpassed. Patrick had a zest for life and a passion for music. When he sang, his voice produced such a celebration of life and today we rejoice that he is singing with the angels at the throne of God. Patrick was active in the Boy Scouts and a member of the Order of the Arrow. He was involved in choir and received several awards during high school. Patrick graduated from Hidden Lake Academy in Georgia and was attending Collin County Community College. He was a member of The Heights Baptist Church. Services will be held Thursday, October 19, 2006 at 1:00 pm at The Heights Baptist Church, Richardson, Texas. Graveside services and burial will be at the Gardens of Memories in Comanche, Texas at 1:00 pm on Friday, October 20, 2006.
Donations may be made to Chapel Fund - Patrick Kennedy, Hidden Lake Academy, 830 Hidden Lake Road, Dahlonega, Georgia 30533. Dignity Memorial Sparkman Hillcrest 7405 W. Northwest Hwy. Dallas (214) 363-5401
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great, HLA fails utterly to help the kid, he ends up dead and now the parents (WTF is WRONG with you?) want money to be sent to HLA to further their abusive practices. just fucking great.
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KENNEDY,, PATRICK WAYNE Passed away peacefully at his home on October 16, 2006. Patrick was born July 8, 1987 in Tulsa, Oklahoma and brought much joy and happiness to all who were blessed to know him. He is survived by his parents Michael and Kristi Kennedy and sisters Alex and Erin all of Dallas, Texas. Maternal grandparents are Bob and Marg McElroy of Comanche, Texas. He is also survived by his aunt, Mitzi Patin, precious cousins Jake and Luke, his nanny of 19 years Ester Rich, all of Dallas, Texas, and many other aunts, uncles and cousins from Dublin, Texas. He was predeceased by his paternal grandparents, Joe and Pat Kennedy of Dublin, Texas. Patrick loved life and always had a huge smile for those around him. He truly loved his family and friends to the fullest and was loved by the many people he touched in return. He was so kind to all and his compassion for those he met each day was unsurpassed. Patrick had a zest for life and a passion for music. When he sang, his voice produced such a celebration of life and today we rejoice that he is singing with the angels at the throne of God. Patrick was active in the Boy Scouts and a member of the Order of the Arrow. He was involved in choir and received several awards during high school. Patrick graduated from Hidden Lake Academy in Georgia and was attending Collin County Community College. He was a member of The Heights Baptist Church. Services will be held Thursday, October 19, 2006 at 1:00 pm at The Heights Baptist Church, Richardson, Texas. Graveside services and burial will be at the Gardens of Memories in Comanche, Texas at 1:00 pm on Friday, October 20, 2006.
Donations may be made to Chapel Fund - Patrick Kennedy, Hidden Lake Academy, 830 Hidden Lake Road, Dahlonega, Georgia 30533. Dignity Memorial Sparkman Hillcrest 7405 W. Northwest Hwy. Dallas (214) 363-5401
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I opt to send a donation in Patrick's memory to Collin County Community College.
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How do you know it was suicide and that HLA didn't help?
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How do you know it was suicide and that HLA didn't help?
Who said it was a suicide?
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How do you know it was suicide and that HLA didn't help?
Who said it was a suicide?
Good point - no one said it was suicide.
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Cow- what happened to Pat? What was the cause of death? Did you know Max kutch at HLA? Or Chad Wallace?
I didn't know either one. I don't know what happened to Pat. All I know is it is really sad... :cry2:
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How do you know it was suicide and that HLA didn't help?
1. Nobody said it was a suicide.
2. He finished the program (give or take 20 months) and was sent to another facility.
WTF is that? In my book it's a complete and utter failure by HLA to address this poor kid's mental hygiene issues. If you can't help someone learn to help themselves in 20 months, you should be in a different line of work, period.
Now this kid is dead and your bullshit excuses won't bring him back.
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It seems as if everyone is jumping the gun here. There has been no information on the cause of this young man's death. Yet, many are quick to blame HLA. A life cut short is indeed a very tragic thing, but to place blame with out knowing the circumstances. Wouldn't time be better spent offering condolences and prayers to his family and friends, instead of pointing fingers.
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How do you know he was sent to another facility? It looks like he was going to community college in the Dallas area.
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Either way he may have well been better off having never gone to that God awful child abusing place.
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It seems as if everyone is jumping the gun here. There has been no information on the cause of this young man's death. Yet, many are quick to blame HLA. A life cut short is indeed a very tragic thing, but to place blame with out knowing the circumstances. Wouldn't time be better spent offering condolences and prayers to his family and friends, instead of pointing fingers.
Read the previous post. Nobody's blaming HLA for his death, just for keeping him for 20 months then sending him to another facility because they wanted the money. They didn't help this kid. They took the 100k and kept him full-term, never once telling the parents they weren't able to help him, just taking the cash. And in the end, the kid ends up institutionalized from the age of 16 and still not being helped. That is sick.
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The facts remain the same. the school didnt give a shit about this kid when he was alive, otherwise they would have helped him. They really dont give a shit about him in death either, other to perhaps try and earn a few bucks off of it.
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Cow- what happened to Pat? What was the cause of death? Did you know Max kutch at HLA? Or Chad Wallace?
I didn't know either one. I don't know what happened to Pat. All I know is it is really sad... :cry2:
What happened to Chad Wallace??
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How do you know he was sent to another facility? It looks like he was going to community college in the Dallas area.
Kids keep in touch with each other - that's how.
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It seems as if everyone is jumping the gun here. There has been no information on the cause of this young man's death. Yet, many are quick to blame HLA. A life cut short is indeed a very tragic thing, but to place blame with out knowing the circumstances. Wouldn't time be better spent offering condolences and prayers to his family and friends, instead of pointing fingers.
Read the previous post. Nobody's blaming HLA for his death, just for keeping him for 20 months then sending him to another facility because they wanted the money. They didn't help this kid. They took the 100k and kept him full-term, never once telling the parents they weren't able to help him, just taking the cash. And in the end, the kid ends up institutionalized from the age of 16 and still not being helped. That is sick.
I worked at HLA while Patrick was there. I deeply cared about him as did many other staff and students. I am incredibly sad to hear this news. I had many conversations with Patrick in good times and in bad. Many of the things said about HLA on this site are true, but I can honestly tell you that many people at HLA cared for Patrick and put forth every effort to help him. I am one of them.
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I am sure you did....However, apparently, the school was not the appropriate place for Patrick..
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How do you know it wasn't the appropriate place for him? Do you know what would have happened to him if he had NOT attended? If this wasn't suicide, what role does HLA even play in his death? What program did he go to after HLA? You are so quick to blast everyone and everything, let's see what info you actually have. FACTS, please. Not your opinions or speculations.
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It seems as if everyone is jumping the gun here. There has been no information on the cause of this young man's death. Yet, many are quick to blame HLA. A life cut short is indeed a very tragic thing, but to place blame with out knowing the circumstances. Wouldn't time be better spent offering condolences and prayers to his family and friends, instead of pointing fingers.
Read the previous post. Nobody's blaming HLA for his death, just for keeping him for 20 months then sending him to another facility because they wanted the money. They didn't help this kid. They took the 100k and kept him full-term, never once telling the parents they weren't able to help him, just taking the cash. And in the end, the kid ends up institutionalized from the age of 16 and still not being helped. That is sick.
I worked at HLA while Patrick was there. I deeply cared about him as did many other staff and students. I am incredibly sad to hear this news. I had many conversations with Patrick in good times and in bad. Many of the things said about HLA on this site are true, but I can honestly tell you that many people at HLA cared for Patrick and put forth every effort to help him. I am one of them.
Let me educate you. "Doing everything you can" for this kid necessarily includes getting him the help he needs, not just the help HLA offers.
How can anyone sit here and tell people that they tried to help this kid, when it is patently obvious that over 20 months nobody had the guts or ethics to let this kid go where he could actually get help from professionals who know how to help.
Let me reiterate: PART OF "HELPING" THIS KID WOULD HAVE BEEN REALIZING THAT YOU WEREN'T HELPING HIM[/b]. What's so difficult to understand?
Greed and avarice rule the day at HLA, NOT proper care. It's cut-and-dried, people. And now, because of it, this kid is DEAD and he's never coming back. Get it yet?
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How do you know it wasn't the appropriate place for him? Do you know what would have happened to him if he had NOT attended? If this wasn't suicide, what role does HLA even play in his death? What program did he go to after HLA? You are so quick to blast everyone and everything, let's see what info you actually have. FACTS, please. Not your opinions or speculations.
Because you stupid child abusing puppet he was there for 20 months AND DIDNT GET ANY BETTER!!! Even someone as dumb as you must get that. Or are you to wrapped up in the notion that you might get some more money out of this kid even in death that you just cant see the facts before you?
If youre still confused reflect back upon the mention that this kid may have tried to committ suicide while there. Maybe that should have raised a flag for you? Oh silly me I forgot the bottom line is always the only thing that matters there.
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Where did it say he tried to commit suicide AT HLA? You can blame HLA for a lot of things, but you are not in a position to blame them for this young man's death, which you don't even know was suicide.
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I realize most of you idiots are completly unqualified but I would have thought you would have at the very least the reading comprehension of a third grader.
Read it again:
kid may have tried to committ suicide while there.
"may" being the operative word there. Along with "tried". Now I know these are big words, maybe you can get your supervisor to explain them to you. Oh damn he's to busy. He's got to give individual therapy to every kid there, and he's only got 15 mins per kid. No time for you, I guess you'll just have to figure it out on your own. On the other hand maybe I can help.
Do you remember in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Luke is talking to Yoda about trying to lift his ship out of the swamp by using the force and Yoda responds with, "Do or do not. There is no try." Same kind of thing here.
So in essence what I was saying in my earlier comment was the kid may have attempted (oh damn another big word) to kill himself while at hla. Obviously he did not succeed.
While I'm not blaming hla for this kids death, obviously he didnt get the help he needed there. If he had he might still be alive today.
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How do you know it wasn't the appropriate place for him? Do you know what would have happened to him if he had NOT attended? If this wasn't suicide, what role does HLA even play in his death? What program did he go to after HLA? You are so quick to blast everyone and everything, let's see what info you actually have. FACTS, please. Not your opinions or speculations.
Listen, retard, let's go through this AGAIN.
He was at HLA for 20 months and was SENT TO ANOTHER PROGRAM AFTER. Now answer MY question: What THE FUCK did you DO for 20 months so that this kid was still so mentally ill that he couldn't go home? WHAT did you
DO for this kid in all that time? NOTHING. Not even referring him to someone who COULD have helped.
AGAIN: nobody's blaming HLA for his death, we're blaming HLA for WAREHOUSING and NOT HELPNG this kid for TWENTY MONTHS so they could collect the $100G's - the kid's health be damned.
And, BTW, just because YOU don't know this kid's particulars doesn mean WE DON'T.
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And why is it you won't say where he went after HLA?
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Because you already know. I'm sure youve looked into this kids file many times.
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Listen, Robert Asshole Bruce- from the first posting of the obit forward, there was NO mention of a suicide attempt at HLA, "maybe" or not. I was asking where the MENTION was of this. I think YOU are the one who can't read and can't comprehend. I understand this is a big coup for you to have an HLA kid die so you can get all outraged again, but lay off people who have legitimate questions and might actually care about the kid and his family and not just about bringing down the school which probably gave the kid an extra couple years of life.
"If youre still confused reflect back upon the mention that this kid may have tried to committ suicide while there. "
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And why is it you won't say where he went after HLA?
How is that of any concern to anonymous poster? Tell us who you are and why you want to know and maybe you'd get somewhere.
Since you're only here trying to do damage control, I needen't feed your need to know.
Get a username, log in, state your business and maybe, just maybe, we'd be inclined to give you some of what we already know.
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Listen, Robert Asshole Bruce- from the first posting of the obit forward, there was NO mention of a suicide attempt at HLA, "maybe" or not. I was asking where the MENTION was of this. I think YOU are the one who can't read and can't comprehend. I understand this is a big coup for you to have an HLA kid die so you can get all outraged again, but lay off people who have legitimate questions and might actually care about the kid and his family and not just about bringing down the school which probably gave the kid an extra couple years of life.
"If youre still confused reflect back upon the mention that this kid may have tried to committ suicide while there. "
You're not going to bully anyone here, anon-asshole-mous. HLA took the last two good years of his life and ruined and wasted them.
Go back to trolling the TTI forum where you came from troll bitch. Threatening and bullying YOUR KIDS might be an effective technique in your house, but not here. So fuck off.
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You are so big on parents naming programs, but you won't say where he went after HLA. I am not staff and have never set foot near the place. The kid was alive at HLA and alive at the subsequent program, and died while living at home and attending community college. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (but obviously takes more brains than YOU have) to lead one to think they would need a whole lot more information to conclude that HLA didn't help him at all or actually harmed him. Maybe the parents are the best judge of that. Oh, wait- the parents want donations to go to HLA. Wonder why they would do that after wasting all that money there?
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Listen, Robert Asshole Bruce- from the first posting of the obit forward, there was NO mention of a suicide attempt at HLA, "maybe" or not. I was asking where the MENTION was of this. I think YOU are the one who can't read and can't comprehend. I understand this is a big coup for you to have an HLA kid die so you can get all outraged again, but lay off people who have legitimate questions and might actually care about the kid and his family and not just about bringing down the school which probably gave the kid an extra couple years of life.
"If youre still confused reflect back upon the mention that this kid may have tried to committ suicide while there. "
Oh my. It looks as if we're dealing with alot of anger issues here. I'm going to go ahead and assign you to a couple of work assignments. Notably washing my car-school business you know, by first I'd like you to do three zaps-just to cool off a bit.
Now since you're too stupid to read the entire posting here you go:
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?HLA, although you would never wish it on your family, definitely turned into a growing experience for all of us. We talk more as a family about feelings than we ever did before.?
Kris K, TX
Could Kris K. be the mother of Patrick K? Didn't he try to commit suicide by hanging himself? Am I thinking of the right kid?
Now do you understand? As to your claims of this kids death being "a big coup for me" well....youre an idiot. I'm not the one trying to capitalize on his death remember? Or did you miss the mention in the obit about donations going to hla? I also dont need to "get all outraged" at anything. I'm not suprised in the least that hla either couldnt or didnt care about helping this kid. I dont know that you should be claiming to care about this kid for that very reason. If you did you would have helped him initially, and he might still be alive. Further you claims to have added "an extra couple of years of life"......Is this part two to the deadorinjail slogan? Its very possible that he not attended hla, or had he gotten help while there he would still be alive today. I in no way see how hla added years to his life. Do you make this same claim regarding the other former inmates who have since died?
Oh and just to clear up your further misconceptions (feel free to pass this along to your owner) I have no interest in "bringing down the school". I am simply working to have the truth about it brought to light. If one things leads to another so be it. You all brought this upon yourself.
You might even term it consequences for your actions....
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"from the first posting of the obit forward"
Talk about anger- but we all knew you had a big problem with that, didn't we, Bobby.
Sure you aren't trying to bring the school down. It's your sad litttle mission in life. You don't give a shit about this kid or his family, and you have no idea where he went after HLA or what his experiences there were. Funny how this is the FIRST time one of you idiots won't mention a program by name. Funny, now that I think of it.
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And why is it you won't say where he went after HLA?
why won't you tell us which program you sent your kid to? we ask you all the time. now you want us to answer you? yeah, your sense of things is accurate. :roll:
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You are so big on parents naming programs, but you won't say where he went after HLA. I am not staff and have never set foot near the place. The kid was alive at HLA and alive at the subsequent program, and died while living at home and attending community college. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (but obviously takes more brains than YOU have) to lead one to think they would need a whole lot more information to conclude that HLA didn't help him at all or actually harmed him. Maybe the parents are the best judge of that. Oh, wait- the parents want donations to go to HLA. Wonder why they would do that after wasting all that money there?
Probably because they were lied to like most other parents.
Here's the facts laid out for you as simply as I can put them.
This kid was at HLA for 20 months. He while there may have tried to kill himself.
Upon leaving hla he still had unresolved issues and so went to another program for an undetermined amount of time.
After that program he went home and enrolled in a community college where still having unresolved issues needed to be medicated, which apparently led to his death.
So you see professor A leads to B leads to C. If A never occurs you cant well make it to C now can you?
Now riddle me this;. if you have no connection and no affiliation with hla, why are you here?
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I thought I was HLA staff? Make up your mind.
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"from the first posting of the obit forward"
Talk about anger- but we all knew you had a big problem with that, didn't we, Bobby.
Sure you aren't trying to bring the school down. It's your sad litttle mission in life. You don't give a shit about this kid or his family, and you have no idea where he went after HLA or what his experiences there were. Funny how this is the FIRST time one of you idiots won't mention a program by name. Funny, now that I think of it.
you are an angry, vile bitch. why do you come here to further abuse these kids? you didn't give SHIT when you sent your own spawn to carlbrook, did you? no, you didn't. explain how you care about this kid more than you did about your own.
how's it feel to want? we tell eachother via PM's what's going on. we know and have named the program he went to after HLA - just not to you. the fact is that it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, so go back to ST where you can get the attention you so desperately need. you're getting nothing out of anyone here, bitch. so go fuck yourself.
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"from the first posting of the obit forward"
Talk about anger- but we all knew you had a big problem with that, didn't we, Bobby.
Sure you aren't trying to bring the school down. It's your sad litttle mission in life. You don't give a shit about this kid or his family, and you have no idea where he went after HLA or what his experiences there were. Funny how this is the FIRST time one of you idiots won't mention a program by name. Funny, now that I think of it.
Did we? So now we are talking to a staff member then? Which is it? If so there are a number of issues on here for you to address. If not then please offer up the basis for your claim.
As to my "sad little mission in life" well if it was my mission in life I don't know that many people would consider it sad, but rather righteous and justified. However the fact remains the same one of my "sad little goals in life" is to expose hla to the entire world, let everyone who wants to know what the truth about that place really is. As I said before if the school closes down as a result of that its not due to my actions-but theirs.
I see no reason to mention what program he was in, only because you're obviously chomping at the bit to get it. Call his parents if youre so close with them. I'm sure they'd be happy to share the information with you as well.
In the mean time I'm glad you find it funny, let me tell you what I think of as funny. You call us idiots yet we've been right on the money on everything. Youve claimed for months we we'rent accomplishing anything and no one paid attention to us.
Yet look at things now.
That is funny. :rofl:
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I thought I was HLA staff? Make up your mind.
You make up yours. You seem to have some sort of vested interest in them, yet you claim to not be staff.
Which is it?
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Who is Professsor A? I never sent a spawn to Carlbrook. I like the civilized states, thank you.
I'm doing some professional research on teen suicides, and, yes, I care about each and every one. Do you?
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Oh my fault I missed the comma.
Tell us more about your "professional research". Who is it for? What is your hypothesis? Are you a grad student or undergrad?
Further why would this particular case interest you. He didnt kill himself.
What does your research have to do with RTC's or Theraputic Boarding Schools? Espically in light of you being some sort of advocate for them? Are you unaware how many teens have committed suicide in these places? Why dont you research that.
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Who is Professsor A? I never sent a spawn to Carlbrook. I like the civilized states, thank you.
I'm doing some professional research on teen suicides, and, yes, I care about each and every one. Do you?
So you're just here to further your own agenda. (That's a statement not a question.)
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I am here because I am interested in the controversy over teen help programs AND am researching teen (and younger) suicides. I consider drug ODs (pharmaceutical and recreational), whether accidental or intentional, worth exploring.
I am a published author, but am not willing to disclose any information on this site because of the way people are treated here.
The death of teens/young adults following programs may be due to demons that could not have been driven out by any sort of treatment. OR-the lack of a good transition plan for re-entering the real world may be a problem.
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You're treated this way because you asked for it. People come on here seeking information and help all the time. Its given freely but when you come on here attacking people, and their positions no one is going to be respectfull towards you.
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I am here because I am interested in the controversy over teen help programs AND am researching teen (and younger) suicides. I consider drug ODs (pharmaceutical and recreational), whether accidental or intentional, worth exploring.
I am a published author, but am not willing to disclose any information on this site because of the way people are treated here.
The death of teens/young adults following programs may be due to demons that could not have been driven out by any sort of treatment. OR-the lack of a good transition plan for re-entering the real world may be a problem.
So basically you have no first hand experience with HLA as either a parent or a student, yet you come on this site and make claims/statements that make it sound like you do have first hand experience with HLA.
That's the same type of manipulation we've all been subjected to at HLA - that's why you're treated the way you are..... RB's correct: you asked for it.
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I am here because I am interested in the controversy over teen help programs AND am researching teen (and younger) suicides. I consider drug ODs (pharmaceutical and recreational), whether accidental or intentional, worth exploring.
I am a published author, but am not willing to disclose any information on this site because of the way people are treated here.
The death of teens/young adults following programs may be due to demons that could not have been driven out by any sort of treatment. OR-the lack of a good transition plan for re-entering the real world may be a problem.
suuuurrre you are. a "published author"? my ass. you're the same troll that's trolling the TTI forum. we all know that already. as i said before - fuck off.
if you were a "published author" you might actually have some skills surrounding how to do research and extract pertinent information from a prospective source. what you are is an inflammatory troll who is now very angry that you can't yell and stomp your feet to snap everyone to attention. BYE!
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I am here because I am interested in the controversy over teen help programs AND am researching teen (and younger) suicides. I consider drug ODs (pharmaceutical and recreational), whether accidental or intentional, worth exploring.
I am a published author, but am not willing to disclose any information on this site because of the way people are treated here.
The death of teens/young adults following programs may be due to demons that could not have been driven out by any sort of treatment. OR-the lack of a good transition plan for re-entering the real world may be a problem.
Wow. Interesting. What other programs have you researched? What attracted you to the HLA forum specifically? I mean, there are hundreds to pick from.
What have you found in your research about suicide and overdose? I've done quiet a bit of research in those areas as well. We might discuss that in another thread.
Regarding your musing about "demons that could not be driven out", you might consider that Behavior Modification is not the appropriate "treatment" for every demon out there, (if it's good for anything at all), particularly serious mental distress.
One post-program suicide was due to the threat of being sent back. His lame-brained mother kept a gun on top of the refrigerator. He grabbed it and shot himself in the head. I tend to think that some of these kids buck the system, which can result in their death, because they'd rather have been dead than isolated from the real world, analyzed/ critiqued 24/7, controlled, manipulated, under the guise of "therapy".
You might also consider exploring alternatives to isolation and BM. This is not "treatment" by any ethical sense of the term.
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Researcher, here's something for your consideration:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ht=#224513 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=224513&highlight=#224513)
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"Probably because they were lied to like most other parents.
Here's the facts laid out for you as simply as I can put them.
This kid was at HLA for 20 months. He while there may have tried to kill himself.
Upon leaving hla he still had unresolved issues and so went to another program for an undetermined amount of time.
After that program he went home and enrolled in a community college where still having unresolved issues needed to be medicated, which apparently led to his death. "
Robert Devin Bruce:
You are making alot of assumptions here. By saying that he 'may" have tried to kill himself while at HLA, you are only trying to stir things up.
I can just as easily say that while at HLA you may have tried to kill yourself. You may have destroyed property. You may have been arrested. You may have broken the sex agreement with a variety of male and female students. You may have snuck drugs onto campus and shared them with 13 year olds who had no prior history of drug use. You MAY have done all of these things.
Yes, Patrick still had unresolved issues. Doesn't everyone.
What proof do you have that Patricks death was of anything but natural causes? I would really like to know. How did his medication lead to his death? The assumption that many are making is that he killed himself. I hope to God for his family that that is not the case.
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Robert Devin Bruce:
My middle name is Brian.
You are making alot of assumptions here. By saying that he 'may" have tried to kill himself while at HLA, you are only trying to stir things up.
Oh I think things are stirred up enough without me having to work to make the situation moreso. I don't know whether or not Patrick tried to kill himself. I do know that it was mentioned that a Patrick K from Texas in fact did. Hence why I said "may". That's the difference between us and you. We're capable of understanding the difference between what we know to be fact and what we do not. You on the other hand typically just make things up and hope no one calls you on it. If they do the prefered method is to sue the shit out of them.
I can just as easily say that while at HLA you may have tried to kill yourself. You may have destroyed property. You may have been arrested. You may have broken the sex agreement with a variety of male and female students. You may have snuck drugs onto campus and shared them with 13 year olds who had no prior history of drug use. You MAY have done all of these things.
Yes, I may have. But the truth is that I didnt. What's more you have no such basis for any of your claims. I on the other hand do have a basis to claim Patrick may have tried to kill himself. Do you see the difference there puppet?
Yes, Patrick still had unresolved issues. Doesn't everyone.
According to my counselors, no. Only kids at HLA have them, everyone else is fine. I however agree with you, everyone does have issues. Here's the thing though: Did Patrick leave hla better off than when he arrived? If the answer to that question, (which judging by the fact that he upon graduating hla went to another program) is no, then his time spent there was in fact a waste of time and money. Further if the claim is true that Patrick did in fact try to kill himself while at hla (something you all claim NEVER happens) then it would have been apparent at that point that hla was the wrong place for him. Yet due to the "bonus program" no counselor would ever acknowledge that irregardless of the truth.
What proof do you have that Patricks death was of anything but natural causes? I would really like to know. How did his medication lead to his death? The assumption that many are making is that he killed himself. I hope to God for his family that that is not the case.
Perhaps you could show the claim made that Patrick killed himself. Ive not seen it nor have I myself made it. As to your other questions, I will not share my source with you while you hide in the shadows refusing to either pick a username or tell us your connection to hla. Until you do rest assured we have a reliable source giving us the nessecary information.
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You know on looking over your post again I missed how ammusing part of it was:
I can just as easily say that while at HLA you may have tried to kill yourself
No you can't. According to hla staffers no student has ever tried to kill themselves there. Hence I could not have.
You may have destroyed property.
Whose? I like all other inmates truly owned nothing while incarcerated. As to hla property, most was so worn down when I was there anything more than a gust of wind would have taken care of it for me.
You may have been arrested
Again not so. According to hla staffers the police have never been called out to the campus. Thus I could not have been arrested.
You may have broken the sex agreement with a variety of male and female students.
Well now lets see. Since hla no longer claims to treat homosexuality as a disorder there I guess there are no gay students on campus. As to my actions with female students-I did have normal teenage interaction with two different female students while there. However (as I reminded my counselors all the time) I never agreed to a God damn thing-thus I could not have broken any agreement.
You may have snuck drugs onto campus and shared them with 13 year olds who had no prior history of drug use.
Now this one I might have been able to do. Since inmates arent allowed to bring luggage with them I guess I would have to hid it somewhere on my body. Good thing HLA doesnt perform strip searches huh?
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"Probably because they were lied to like most other parents.
Here's the facts laid out for you as simply as I can put them.
This kid was at HLA for 20 months. He while there may have tried to kill himself.
Upon leaving hla he still had unresolved issues and so went to another program for an undetermined amount of time.
After that program he went home and enrolled in a community college where still having unresolved issues needed to be medicated, which apparently led to his death. "
Robert Devin Bruce:
You are making alot of assumptions here. By saying that he 'may" have tried to kill himself while at HLA, you are only trying to stir things up.
I can just as easily say that while at HLA you may have tried to kill yourself. You may have destroyed property. You may have been arrested. You may have broken the sex agreement with a variety of male and female students. You may have snuck drugs onto campus and shared them with 13 year olds who had no prior history of drug use. You MAY have done all of these things.
Yes, Patrick still had unresolved issues. Doesn't everyone.
What proof do you have that Patricks death was of anything but natural causes? I would really like to know. How did his medication lead to his death? The assumption that many are making is that he killed himself. I hope to God for his family that that is not the case.
this is just the pathetic carlbrook mom troll. still can't figure out how to do quotes, huh? this person has nothing whatsoever to do with HLA. move on, lady.
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I'm not so sure. This current puppet knew about "agreements" something the Carlbrook idiot isnt going to know off hand without doing a great deal of back reading.
As pathetic as the Carlbrook mom is I dont think she has that amount of time or patience. Afterall she stays very very busy publishing books.
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You MAY have thought enough of my post to read it more than once. It MAY have bothered you. You MAY have found it humorous. You MAY be wrong about almost everything you wrote in your response. You MAY be right is some of it. I MAY not care. I MAY care tremendously.
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I'm not so sure. This current puppet knew about "agreements" something the Carlbrook idiot isnt going to know off hand without doing a great deal of back reading.
As pathetic as the Carlbrook mom is I dont think she has that amount of time or patience. Afterall she stays very very busy publishing books.
no, it's her. she trolls here often and picks up the lingo that way. plus it's very similar at most of these warehouses. it's her.
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You MAY have thought enough of my post to read it more than once. It MAY have bothered you. You MAY have found it humorous. You MAY be wrong about almost everything you wrote in your response. You MAY be right is some of it. I MAY not care. I MAY care tremendously.
In your research have you ever come across the term "red herring"? Also what does "You may be right is some of it" mean? Perhaps for your next best selling novel you could write a story about dyslexic trolls? Just a thought I MAY have been having.
idiot.
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Nice comment from someone who constantly misuses "to" and "too".
I never would have replied if I would have known you would get so worked up about it. MAYbe.
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Oh so you have been here awhile then. Again you MAY want to look up that term 'Red Herring' we discussed. You seem TOO use it alot.
As to your other nonsensical comments; are you forgetting youre the one chomping at the bit for information? I'm not worked up about anything, I find you to be mildly amusing. Your constant need for attention and desire to feel important is indeed laughable. Apparently you have little to no first hand knowledge of hla, yet you tout yourself as some sort of expert. When called upon the carpet you immediatly in a Bullfrog like fashion back down out of cowardice.You feign ignorace and play the victim claiming some sort of nonsense about "doing research" or being a "published author". I doubt you could get so much as a letter to the editor published.
I'll offer you an oppurtunity to prove me wrong though. Allow us to link all of your post up. If youve been forthright and honest this entire time then you'll have nothing to hide and I will apologize. If on the other hand youve been playing games and pretending to be multiple things, never really knowing what you were talking about.
In that case..........................well I guess if we don't hear much more from you we'll know why.
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It seems we see each other in identical light. I am also mildly amused by you. Of course I don't take much of what you say on this site very seriously. You are the one known to be a little out there with your comments. If you were to link my postings I am sure you would be surprised at most of the things I have posted. I typically agree with most of the things said against HLA, or more accurately Dr. Buccellato. I just think that in this matter your were off base and going too far. A boy is dead and you are using it to pick a fight. I knew Patrick Kennedy, you did not. I personally interacted with him, you did not. When he first got to HLA he was a mess. Angry at the world and confused beyond belief. Somewhere along the line he turned into a fine young man. Go back to the original post and see the characteristics the writer used to describe him. That is a far cry from the young man who came to HLA.
As far as the parents asking for donations to be made to the Chapel fund...I personally think it is a waste of money. Everyone knows the chapel fund has historically been a joke. That being said, I have never known HLA to request for donations be made after the death of someone, though several have made such requests. The fact of the matter is, however, it is THEIR decision. They are a family in grief and we should all respect their decision. It should not be up for debate. Not now anyway. There are plenty of things to pick on HLA about without lowering yourself to this.
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If you were to link my postings I am sure you would be surprised at most of the things I have posted. I typically agree with most of the things said against HLA, or more accurately Dr. Buccellato.
I can vouch for that. You've been here a while. Might I persuade you to pick a user name. You don't have to divulge anything personal. No one will know any more about you than they do now. It simply makes for easier dialogue.
You may have gotten a different response had you been distinquishable from the "Researcher".
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It seems we see each other in identical light. I am also mildly amused by you. Of course I don't take much of what you say on this site very seriously. You are the one known to be a little out there with your comments
Am I now? Please tell me more about my comments that you deem "out there". Is that what you puppets term the truth these days? What was the tried and true "you're manipulating" sound byte getting a little rusty? In the mean time since we both find each other so amusing I hope we can continue the conversation.
If you were to link my postings I am sure you would be surprised at most of the things I have posted. I typically agree with most of the things said against HLA, or more accurately Dr. Buccellato.
Does that mean we have your permission to link them? As to what side of the fence you reside on you claim you typically agree with most of the things said about HLA on here, yet so many of your postings start that way. I am usually one of the ones speaking out against HLA but......If every time is an exception it would appear you really dont have a problem with the way HLA conducts itself. Maybe you just have a problem with Len.
I just think that in this matter your were off base and going too far. A boy is dead and you are using it to pick a fight. I knew Patrick Kennedy, you did not. I personally interacted with him, you did not. When he first got to HLA he was a mess. Angry at the world and confused beyond belief. Somewhere along the line he turned into a fine young man. Go back to the original post and see the characteristics the writer used to describe him. That is a far cry from the young man who came to HLA.
See this is where you let your anger confuse you. You need to reread the postings. I havent "gone too far" on anything for the simple reason for the majority of the conversation I was not involved. At least not until you started huffing and puffing. Take a closer look, I dont even chime in until page 3. Despite your claims I nor anyone else claimed that Patrick died as a result of suicide. Yet you refused to believe that and kept insisting on it. My only claim about the boy was that he may have tried to kill himself while at HLA, and that he apparently didnt get the help he needed while there. Both comments having been made with evidence to support the claim. You are correct about one thing however, I never knew Patrick. The funny thing is though, I never claimed to, nor did I ever claim to know anything about him other than the information that has been given to me.
As far as the parents asking for donations to be made to the Chapel fund...I personally think it is a waste of money. Everyone knows the chapel fund has historically been a joke. That being said, I have never known HLA to request for donations be made after the death of someone, though several have made such requests. The fact of the matter is, however, it is THEIR decision. They are a family in grief and we should all respect their decision. It should not be up for debate. Not now anyway. There are plenty of things to pick on HLA about without lowering yourself to this.
Oh no? I suggest you go take a quick peek at the link I posted on the Lance Henson thread. HLA does in fact seek to gain from death. As to this particular donation being the parents descion I agree, however have you ever known staff members at hla to play upon parents fears? Ever known them to manipulate or even lie to parents? How about pressuring parents when they were at a weak point? Who knows maybe you did a little of that yourself while there? As to picking on hla I have no need or desire, I simply tell the truth about what goes on there. Once again they brought this upon themselves. Further I havent lowered myself at all, in fact I wasn't even the one who brought up the fact that this kid had died. I found out about it later than most of the other posters on here.
Next time you want to make assumptions why dont you take a couple of deeo breaths first, maybe go for a quick walk around the lake and reassess the situation. You were completly wrong on this one. You shouldnt let your anger and frustration cloud your judgement. I hope you'll take that under consideration.
In the meantime Deb is right. Pick a username and make things simpiler. In doing so you wont have to worry about getting confused with all your other fellow puppets.
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Listen, Robert Asshole Bruce- from the first posting of the obit forward, there was NO mention of a suicide attempt at HLA, "maybe" or not. I was asking where the MENTION was of this.
Okay Researcher, let's get honest.
Yes, you later asked where it was mentioned that the attempted suicide at HLA, but your first post, after the obit, was:
How do you know it was suicide and that HLA didn't help?
Consider a user name. Researcher would be appropro.
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Cow- what happened to Pat? What was the cause of death? Did you know Max kutch at HLA? Or Chad Wallace?
What's your relationship with or interest in these guys?
Max Kutch posted here for a while:
http://wwf.fornits.com/search.php?search_author=mxkutch (http://wwf.fornits.com/search.php?search_author=mxkutch)
According to one anonymous poster, Kutch was another kid HLA couldn't "help":
Kutch- You haven't seen your alcohol abuse affect your life negatively? What about being taken by escorts to HLA? Getting kicked out of school? Getting arrested? Hurting your family?
You think the Marines will be FUN? Let us know how that works out for you.
Scores on standardized tests won't get you shit- you also need to be able to show some character and a consistent educational path. Don't think you have that, son. Besides being kicked out of the learning differences school, you weren't exactly cutting it at one of the worst schools in Dallas, were you? And where did you finish up high school- some alternative school for jerk-offs like you. Stanford is going to beating down your door.
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Chad posted a few times too:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ace#141865 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=141865&highlight=wallace#141865)
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Listen, Robert Asshole Bruce- from the first posting of the obit forward, there was NO mention of a suicide attempt at HLA, "maybe" or not. I was asking where the MENTION was of this.
Okay Researcher, let's get honest.
Yes, you later asked where it was mentioned that the attempted suicide at HLA, but your first post, after the obit, was:
How do you know it was suicide and that HLA didn't help?
woops! this doesn't sound like a researcher. it sounds like a carlbrookmomtroll.
Consider a user name. Researcher would be appropro.
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It seems we see each other in identical light. I am also mildly amused by you. Of course I don't take much of what you say on this site very seriously. You are the one known to be a little out there with your comments. If you were to link my postings I am sure you would be surprised at most of the things I have posted. I typically agree with most of the things said against HLA, or more accurately Dr. Buccellato. I just think that in this matter your were off base and going too far. A boy is dead and you are using it to pick a fight. I knew Patrick Kennedy, you did not. I personally interacted with him, you did not. When he first got to HLA he was a mess. Angry at the world and confused beyond belief. Somewhere along the line he turned into a fine young man. Go back to the original post and see the characteristics the writer used to describe him. That is a far cry from the young man who came to HLA.
As far as the parents asking for donations to be made to the Chapel fund...I personally think it is a waste of money. Everyone knows the chapel fund has historically been a joke. That being said, I have never known HLA to request for donations be made after the death of someone, though several have made such requests. The fact of the matter is, however, it is THEIR decision. They are a family in grief and we should all respect their decision. It should not be up for debate. Not now anyway. There are plenty of things to pick on HLA about without lowering yourself to this.
Okay, I'll speak as a STUDENT who knew him. He was still a mess when he left there. The only thing you greedy fucks did was to help him learn to manipulate and hide it better. He broke the sex agreement with so many boys, sexually harrassed male students, continued to cut himself - only he learned to hide it in places you fucking morons couldn't see... I'm not going into more details out of respect for his family, but continue to let yourselves believe you helped him.
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I think this only reenforces what most of us have been saying from the beginning. Patrick came to hla needing help. He apparently didnt get it there, and now he's dead. Who knows what would have happened if he'd gotten the help he needed then.
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It seems we see each other in identical light. I am also mildly amused by you. Of course I don't take much of what you say on this site very seriously. You are the one known to be a little out there with your comments. If you were to link my postings I am sure you would be surprised at most of the things I have posted. I typically agree with most of the things said against HLA, or more accurately Dr. Buccellato. I just think that in this matter your were off base and going too far. A boy is dead and you are using it to pick a fight. I knew Patrick Kennedy, you did not. I personally interacted with him, you did not. When he first got to HLA he was a mess. Angry at the world and confused beyond belief. Somewhere along the line he turned into a fine young man. Go back to the original post and see the characteristics the writer used to describe him. That is a far cry from the young man who came to HLA.
As far as the parents asking for donations to be made to the Chapel fund...I personally think it is a waste of money. Everyone knows the chapel fund has historically been a joke. That being said, I have never known HLA to request for donations be made after the death of someone, though several have made such requests. The fact of the matter is, however, it is THEIR decision. They are a family in grief and we should all respect their decision. It should not be up for debate. Not now anyway. There are plenty of things to pick on HLA about without lowering yourself to this.
Okay, I'll speak as a STUDENT who knew him. He was still a mess when he left there. The only thing you greedy fucks did was to help him learn to manipulate and hide it better. He broke the sex agreement with so many boys, sexually harrassed male students, continued to cut himself - only he learned to hide it in places you fucking morons couldn't see... I'm not going into more details out of respect for his family, but continue to let yourselves believe you helped him.
BTW -- this was brought to Staff's attention. No one believed it because he was in Phoenix and Stars. Here's the sad part - I was threatened with Restrictions for telling the truth so I stopped saying anything.
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What is Phoenix and Stars?
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What is Phoenix and Stars?
Phoenix Society is pretty much a group of select kids that are recongized as the leaders on campus. They do a lot of community service within Phoenix (as required to remian within the group). They get 5 extra minutes on their phone calls every week as well. They are involved with positions such as: helping newer students move into their dorm, assisting with parental tours when parents come to view the campus from afar, etc.
STARS is something like Students excelling Theraputically, Academically, and Recreationally Society. As the name implies, these students are the ones that are doing the best theraputically, academically and recreationally (recreation meaning interactions with other peers).
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They get 5 extra minutes on their phone calls every week as well.
Anyone else find this seriously, sickeningly offensive?
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I was long ago desensatized to such travesties.
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Pat wasn't in STARS, Phoenix, but not STARS.
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as sad as it is...Patrick felt safest at HLA...he came to the school in really bad shape and went up and down the whole time he was there...he was scared to death to leave because he wouldn't have the "protection" from himself mostly, that he got, even just a little, at HLA...
it is very sad but not to shocking that he didn't make it very far after he left...although i did not know, he never stated, that he was going anywhere other than comm college (he was 18)...he was always so sad, but i think that truly his family was given a couple of extra years with Patrick while he was at HLA...otherwise, i feel certain that Patrick would have died for whatever reasons way before he did, which was to soon...parents should never have to burry their children...
Patrick always had a hug or an ear for anyone and he will be missed desperatly...but he is at peace now...from himself and from a very cruel world...
i am hoping that it was not suicide...maybe his body just gave out after all those years of abusing it...sorta like karen carpenters did...only for many other reasons...
i just hope that his family is well and that life for them can continue with the thoughts that they had more time with such a talented person as patrick then they may have...
i know you will probably blast this or attack this post but i won't pay it any mind...i just wanted to say something nice about patrick since this subject seems to gotten as normal an attack fest on everyone else...
i am staff, i was not a counselor for Patrick, just someone who will miss him...and no, i will not answer any other questions so don't ask, again...this was just to express my sadness about Patrick and let those of you who didn't know him what an awesome but terribly sad person he always was...he will be missed...
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that was supposed to be 18 but it got hit with a smily...
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Pat wasn't in STARS, Phoenix, but not STARS.
My mistake - he wasn't in STARS, just Phoenix.
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as sad as it is...Patrick felt safest at HLA...he came to the school in really bad shape and went up and down the whole time he was there...he was scared to death to leave because he wouldn't have the "protection" from himself mostly, that he got, even just a little, at HLA...
it is very sad but not to shocking that he didn't make it very far after he left...although i did not know, he never stated, that he was going anywhere other than comm college (he was 18)...he was always so sad, but i think that truly his family was given a couple of extra years with Patrick while he was at HLA...otherwise, i feel certain that Patrick would have died for whatever reasons way before he did, which was to soon...parents should never have to burry their children...
Patrick always had a hug or an ear for anyone and he will be missed desperatly...but he is at peace now...from himself and from a very cruel world...
i am hoping that it was not suicide...maybe his body just gave out after all those years of abusing it...sorta like karen carpenters did...only for many other reasons...
i just hope that his family is well and that life for them can continue with the thoughts that they had more time with such a talented person as patrick then they may have...
i know you will probably blast this or attack this post but i won't pay it any mind...i just wanted to say something nice about patrick since this subject seems to gotten as normal an attack fest on everyone else...
i am staff, i was not a counselor for Patrick, just someone who will miss him...and no, i will not answer any other questions so don't ask, again...this was just to express my sadness about Patrick and let those of you who didn't know him what an awesome but terribly sad person he always was...he will be missed...
If you had stated this at the beginning there would have been no need for any sort of conversation. You like all hla staffers crave negative attention and drama. You try and use your old bait and punish tactics on here and are frustrated to find they no longer work. You just like hla brought this upon yourself.
It is a tragedy that this boy died, however it occured. I stand by my earlier comment. If he had gotten the help he needed while at hla maybe things would have turned out differently.
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They get 5 extra minutes on their phone calls every week as well.
Anyone else find this seriously, sickeningly offensive?
Oh yea, forgot to add.
Stars gets an extra 5 minutes as well in addition to an extra phone call per week.
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and just like a script...robert bruce chimes in...a shame that you chose to try to degradate (sp?) something kind...
oh well...should have figured...
otta here
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Just like a script huh? This of course coming from the same person who belongs to a group that's been using the same buzz words and catch phrases for the past twelve years. Over and over and over again.
Oh well. Have a goodun.
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"Probably because they were lied to like most other parents.
Here's the facts laid out for you as simply as I can put them.
This kid was at HLA for 20 months. He while there may have tried to kill himself.
Upon leaving hla he still had unresolved issues and so went to another program for an undetermined amount of time.
After that program he went home and enrolled in a community college where still having unresolved issues needed to be medicated, which apparently led to his death. "
Robert Devin Bruce:
You are making alot of assumptions here. By saying that he 'may" have tried to kill himself while at HLA, you are only trying to stir things up.
I can just as easily say that while at HLA you may have tried to kill yourself. You may have destroyed property. You may have been arrested. You may have broken the sex agreement with a variety of male and female students. You may have snuck drugs onto campus and shared them with 13 year olds who had no prior history of drug use. You MAY have done all of these things.
Yes, Patrick still had unresolved issues. Doesn't everyone.
What proof do you have that Patricks death was of anything but natural causes? I would really like to know. How did his medication lead to his death? The assumption that many are making is that he killed himself. I hope to God for his family that that is not the case.
this is just the pathetic carlbrook mom troll. still can't figure out how to do quotes, huh? this person has nothing whatsoever to do with HLA. move on, lady.
Just wanted to give you all a "heads-up" on this poster. Believe it or not, this is actually KAREN, who has recently relocated to Nashville, TN (WIllieNelson on ST board, too, Karen??).
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No kidding? So Karen you're pretending to be a published author now? Well at least your delusions have gotten a touch more classy.
So justify yourself to us then Karen. Explain why you really care about this situation other than your own morbid and sick desire to see kids suffer.
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No kidding? So Karen you're pretending to be a published author now? Well at least your delusions have gotten a touch more classy.
So justify yourself to us then Karen. Explain why you really care about this situation other than your own morbid and sick desire to see kids suffer.
Ask her kid.
The Beer Chronicles: 20 Signs of a Drinking Problem
Kiley Austin-Young
October 2, 2006
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If you genuinely believe the weekend starts on Wednesday and proclaim such absurdities as ?Wednesday is the new Thursday.?
If every night of drinking requires at least half the next day to reassemble the tiny pieces of the relationships you shattered while drunk.
If you find yourself consistently using the phrase, ?I?m really sorry for what I did. I don?t remember seeing you last night.?
If your main goal in attending a football game is to get drunk and start a fight with someone supporting the other team. And by other, you mean either. It really doesn?t matter.
If you subscribe to the maxim ?drunk words are sober thoughts? in order to be able to publicly insult people and take pride in your ?candor? while slurring Malcolm X quotes: ?I've had enough of someone else's propaganda. I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it's for or against.? God, if only everyone was as morally upstanding as me, you think.
If you are known not by name but by actions you perpetrated while drunk. For instance, ?the guy who started that huge fight? or ?the guy who was ass naked in Harvard Square? or simply ?the guy who peed in ?.
If you invite a girl back to your place for a bottle of wine mainly for the wine.
If you insist that you?re not really drinking. This is only wine. A wine drunk is ?different.?
If you gave a homeless man twenty bucks with the stipulation that he would spend it on booze and not ?Mickey D?s or some shit.?
If you pregame at Hillel.
If you recently had a drunken heart to heart with the security guard because everyone else had gone to bed by 7:30am.
If you decline plans with friends because you just have ?soooo much drinking to do.?
If you find breaking an empty forty on the cement the best stress reliever ever.
If you think any man who won?t freeball under his costume for the toga party is a total pussy.
If your rib still hurts from that drunken fight last weekend. But it?s totally cool because ?it doesn?t even hurt to breathe anymore.?
If you agree that if you had a chance to eat dinner with Bill Clinton, Tucker Max or Frank Kelly Rich, you would totally choose one of the latter.
If you can?t walk in any direction without running into a girl you slept with while drunk.
If it takes you more than fifteen seconds to realize where you are in the morning.
If you recently experimented with absurd alcoholic combinations, such as Sake and Jack Daniels or Merlot and Captain Morgan?s. It may be nasty, but you insist: ?It all ends up in the same place anyways. Don?t be an alcohol snob. Tool.?
If you really just can?t fucking stand being sober.
Kiley Austin-Young is a freshman in the College. You can write to him at kileya@sas.
I see that his "treatment" worked out well... :roll:
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You know in reading through some of Karen's other nonsense and other usernames her apparent plot comes to light.
Karen claims to be in contact with Patrick's family. She also claims that have no idea of this sites existence, (unlikely since Jojo's letter went out around the time when Patrick was enrolled at hla) apparently she was hoping we would reveal information to her about Patricks placement in a second RTC or openly blame hla for his death. She did in the hopes she could use such statements in her campaign and "sad little mission" against fornits.
You see Karen has been burned and humiliated time and time again by the posters of fornits, she's an idiot and has been exposed as such on several occasions. She dwells on revenge against us night and day. I hear in between conversing with her gay husband in California, and her booze and coke binges, she reads "The Count of Monte Cristo" for inspiration.
Well Karen it looks like its back to the drawing board for you. Or at the very least to pretend you were never here.
Either one is acceptable.
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Wasnt she babbeling something about how her son doesnt drink?
Not that I dont find that posting hilarious. It's funny because it's true.
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Wasnt she babbeling something about how her son doesnt drink?
Not that I dont find that posting hilarious. It's funny because it's true.
Robert, you've got to chill man. I have read hundreds of your posts, and I almost always agree with you, but I think you will get a lot more consideration from people if you do not phrase things so offensively. I am not personally offended, but I know from my personal experience (even though I am probably younger than you) that belligerence will only lead to more belligerence in return. Additionally, I hope you do not take this post as an attack on you, because it is not. I am just telling you something that I think would benefit you.
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If you've really read hundreds of my post then you know I treat people in the manner in which they ask to be treated. Anyone can disagree, it's the manner in which you choose to do so that results in people being ridiculed and laughed at by me.
Head over to the brat camp thread. I'm sure youll find some Karens choicer comments and see what I mean.
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You know, I never really thought of it that way. I guess most of the people you talk shit to deserve it, come to think of it. Anyway, carry on, I won't stand in your way any longer.
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hypocrites
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Who's that?
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Is this HLA's idea of damage control?
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Testimonials.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Testimonials.aspx)
Parents
?HLA, although you would never wish it on your family, definitely turned into a growing experience for all of us. We talk more as a family about feelings than we ever did before.?
Kris K, TX
?After graduating from HLA my son continued his education and graduated cum laude and received his Phi Beta Kappa recognition. He is a strapping 150 pounds now ? afar cry from the 200 + prior to Hidden Lake. He had abandoned using all anti-depressants while at HLA and continues to remain off of them.
Randy S, MA
I can honestly say that I shall miss HLA more than my child. At the conclusion of my initial tour of the school, I told the admissions person to please just give me my daughter back. He said that the school would do everything possible to make that happen. And you did? I will always marvel and respect HLA?s ability to take threads of despair, anger, distrust and hurt in families and weave them back together in the form of hope, faith, renewed trust and harmony?
Cindee G, GA
?We just returned from our son?s new school. Every report we received from his teachers and advisor was the most positive and very hopeful for future success. We came away feeling grateful to HLA and confident about his future. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your kindness and understanding.?
Jean and Dan P, IL
?How does a parent thank the staff and school that totally turned around their child? Sending him away to HLA 24 months ago was the hardest decision my husband and I ever made! Why was our son so angry? Why was he doing so poorly at school and at home? Was HLA the right place to address his needs? All of HLA have done a better job than we could have ever dreamed of. He is now a mature, thoughtful, caring young man and a pleasure to be around. Our son was accepted at his first choice college and has a career in mind. Most 18 year olds look on college as one big party. Not my son. His goal setting is remarkable. Thank all the staff from the bottom of my heart! Your guidance and wonderful program has made an enormous impact on my son?s life!?
Jonie P, GA
?Our grandson is such a different young man than the one we left in your care in the beginning. My husband and I did not know if we were doing the right thing for him or not. As he said in his graduation speech, he thought we had given up on him and were abandoning him. We felt the same way. What a change! HLA gave him the confidence to participate in sports, to know that he could excel academically and to make friends and be accepted. Our tears at graduation were far different from the ones we shed when we first left him. Thank you for returning our boy to us!
Ann S,FLA
Service Projects
?Jerusalem House residents would like to thank your student group for all the hard work performed. Our staff was astonished by all the work your students performed in such a short time. I hope that the Service learning portion of your visit was enlightening to the students. Make no mistake, your students fulfill a mission every time they volunteer. We cannot thank you enough.?
?On behalf of the hundreds of men and women and children we serve, I want to thank the Hidden Lake Academy volunteers for giving their time and talents to the Mission. Atlanta Union Mission is a ministry based on people- those that give and those that receive. Your student volunteers have taught us about care and compassion and it is our hope that their experience was meaningful and rewarding. I hope your future volunteer plans will continue to include the Atlanta Union Mission
Don't these look familiar? You might remember them from 2006.... I guess it's okay just to switch out the name of the "school" from Hidden Lake Academy to Ridge Creek School even though none of these kids attended RCS.
http://www.ridgecreekschool.com/testimonials.htm (http://www.ridgecreekschool.com/testimonials.htm)
Parent Testimonials
A Parent speaks:
“My son, has been at Ridge Creek Boarding School for 18 months. We tried many different things before sending him there. He was diagnosed ADHD when he was 6 yrs.old. He was always a handful for his teachers even though he is very smart. He was always a handful for his parents, too. We did fine in middle school but in high school it all fell apart. He got in with the wrong crowd. He started doing drugs and thinking it was making him popular began selling them, too. We took him to a rehab and left him there for observation and they said he needed to be there but our insurance co. said it wasn’t “bad enough yet” and wouldn’t pay. So he came home and within a couple of months he had been picked up by police twice and taken to the detention center. Each time I said to them, “Please help me” because I didn’t know what to do. I never tried to get him off because I knew he needed help. They sent him to a mental health facility for 2 weeks trying to get his meds right. The day after he got home he was in a very bad wreck. By this time since he had already been in trouble with the law they would admit him to the rehab facility. Because of a comment he made there he was locked up at the D-home for 5 weeks and was sent to a state run boot-camp for 92 days. I had hopes this would help. When he came back he was placed on probation for 5 1/2 months. Soon as he got off he was back in trouble. I knew we had to do something drastic. Going to a therapeutic boarding school was a difficult decision for me. For one it is very expensive, and I knew he would be gone for a long time. But one of his friends had already died from a drug overdose. Several more had been sent to rehab and many more were on probation. Thankfully we had family that offered to help pay or we could not have done this. Well, in 5 weeks our son will be graduating from high school and will be starting college in Jan.!! It has not been easy and there have been times when I didn’t know if we would make it. Knowing what I know now, would I send him to RCS again?? You bet I would!!! My only regret is he should have been there 2 years before he got there. RCS has done what I could not do for my child. They have hopefully given my son the tools to make better choices in life. Now it’s up to him.
RCS, although you would never wish it on your family, definitely turned into a growing experience for all of us. We talk more as a family about feelings than we ever did before.”
Kris K, TX
“There are no words to express my heartfelt thanks and appreciation for all that you have done for my son. To say that the school's efforts on his behalf have been extraordinary is some what of an understatement. The opportunities that he has been given has helped develop in ways that I could not have imagined. All of the counselors and all the staff have helped to give my son and me a remarkable foundation on which we will continue to grow.
This has been a journey not just for my son, but for me as well. I looked forward to the parent workshops and I always found the staff support and activites we participated in to be very beneficial. I will miss going down to the lake in the morning before workshops to pray and meditate. It always made me feel so peaceful and comforted to be there.
Thank you for all that you have done.”
M.S., TX
“After graduating from RCS my son continued his education and graduated cum laude and received his Phi Beta Kappa recognition. He is a strapping 150 pounds now – afar cry from the 200 + prior to Ridge Creek. He had abandoned using all anti-depressants while at RCS and continues to remain off of them.”
Randy S, MA
“I can honestly say that I shall miss RCS more than my child. At the conclusion of my initial tour of the school, I told the admissions person to please just give me my daughter back. He said that the school would do everything possible to make that happen. And you did” I will always marvel and respect RCS’s ability to take threads of despair, anger, distrust and hurt in families and weave them back together in the form of hope, faith, renewed trust and harmony”
Cindee G, GA
“We just returned from our son’s new school. Every report we received from his teachers and advisor was the most positive and very hopeful for future success. We came away feeling grateful to RCS and confident about his future. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your kindness and understanding.”
Jean and Dan P, IL
“How does a parent thank the staff and school that totally turned around their child? Sending him away to RCS 24 months ago was the hardest decision my husband and I ever made! Why was our son so angry? Why was he doing so poorly at school and at home? Was RCS the right place to address his needs? All of RCS have done a better job than we could have ever dreamed of. He is now a mature, thoughtful, caring young man and a pleasure to be around. Our son was accepted at his first choice college and has a career in mind. Most 18 year olds look on college as one big party. Not my son. His goal setting is remarkable. Thank all the staff from the bottom of my heart! Your guidance and wonderful program has made an enormous impact on my son’s life!”
Jonie P, GA
“Our grandson is such a different young man than the one we left in your care in the beginning. My husband and I did not know if we were doing the right thing for him or not. As he said in his graduation speech, he thought we had given up on him and were abandoning him. We felt the same way. What a change! RCS gave him the confidence to participate in sports, to know that he could excel academically and to make friends and be accepted. Our tears at graduation were far different from the ones we shed when we first left him. Thank you for returning our boy to us!”
Ann S,FLA
Service Projects
“Jerusalem House residents would like to thank your student group for all the hard work performed. Our staff was astonished by all the work your students performed in such a short time. I hope that the Service learning portion of your visit was enlightening to the students. Make no mistake, your students fulfill a mission every time they volunteer. We cannot thank you enough.”
“On behalf of the hundreds of men and women and children we serve, I want to thank the Ridge Creek Boarding School volunteers for giving their time and talents to the Mission. Atlanta Union Mission is a ministry based on people- those that give and those that receive. Your student volunteers have taught us about care and compassion and it is our hope that their experience was meaningful and rewarding. I hope your future volunteer plans will continue to include the Atlanta Union Mission”
[attachment=0:1vvazm39]Parent Testimonials - Teen Success - Ridge Creek School.pdf[/attachment:1vvazm39]
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Don't cha just love these obviously genuine testimonials? Reliable folks like Ann S. from FL, and Randy S. from MA, and old M.S. from TX. All members of the S family, I guess. I mean, anyone could verify the veracity of these endorsements. Just get out the phone book and look up Ann S. in Florida.
What a crock of shit.
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DEE you put allot of hard work into writing those HLA testimonials and are misleading parents. :eek:
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Due to our cooperation with the Swedish NGO, I can promise that any story put together by former "students" will be published on the Tales-from-the-black-school (http://http://tales-from-the-black-school.blogspot.com/) blog.
However due to a massive amount of stories and a strategy to only publish 3-4 stories per months (to make room for the traffic increasing mentioning of books and movies about this subject) they have created a backlog of unpublished stories for more than a year. Next available slot is early september 2012.
I got a mail with their page counts:
Oct 10: 34 Nov 10:44 Dec 10:75 Jan 11:111 Feb 11:78 Mar 11:134 Apr 11:69 May 11:175 June 11:426
The Google bomb is about to explode.
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DEE you put allot of hard work into writing those HLA testimonials and are misleading parents. :eek:
Ha,Ha,Ha. You noticed that too? DEE is quite the fabricator.
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DEE you put allot of hard work into writing those HLA testimonials and are misleading parents. :eek:
Ha,Ha,Ha. You noticed that too? DEE is quite the fabricator.
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Whooter - it's interesting that you have nothing to say about RCS's recycling of past posts as "Parent Testimonials". Could it be that's because there are NONE? This is the same place you stated was enjoying great success and surely they couldn't be LYING!?! So I guess for 5 or so years they haven't been able to find ONE parent to write a new testimonial. Great success indeed.