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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => News Items => Topic started by: 030307 on June 22, 2007, 12:18:31 AM
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I would really like to have a chance to have an honest debate with everyone who hates on AARC... bring it ajax, you seem like an articulate, intelligent dude... but on the other hand, the devil usually comes with a slick tongue and a remarkable ability to seem correct in all he speaks... so, lets drop the gloves... i am an "AARC survivor," still sober, and completely committed to the program, both AA and AARC... but i will concede one of you points... AARC is All About Receiving Cash: to continue to help kids that end up on the streets, suicidal, close to death and chemically dependant.
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So: please tell us the proportion of AARCS clientele that are truly destitute from home theat don't have the cash to pay AARc's outrageous fees?
Just give us the facts, Ma'am.
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seeing as it is run by a staff that are serious about their work, i don't really have access to that sort of information, but it wouldn't be right for me to talk about others, so i will only speak about myself. i ended up on the streets on and off for about a year...
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What about the fact that comparable Commonwealth countires like the UK, New Zealand and Australia have similar addiction and cure rates in both teens and adults but do not have programs in the AARC./Straight model?
Even if it works as you claim why is such a brutal method necessary to get the same result?
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AARC is run by a man who lied about playing major junior hockey and lied about being a psychologist. The other staffers are cult-members who were given to the Leader at various stages of adolescence or early adult-hood. I don't know much about the devil, not having met him/her/it. I'm not too big on superstition, but you are entitled to you AARCian religion. Go on, give us another testimonial. Work your programming.
I'm not intersted in a debate with you. Giving children to other children is dangerous, and putting them in the homes of the kinds of people who give their kids to AARC is dangerous. The Wizard has a mail-order Phd, and his program is a transplant of Kids. The Wizard has lied in print, saying that he is a psychologist when he is not. The study claiming an 85% success rate is a fraud, was written by the Wiz, Natalie Oldcomer, Sleepy Goresky and a freelance scumbag from Miller Newton's alma mater, the Union Institute. The study has no scientific merit whatsoever. The center sucks up millions of dollars to provide lunch and pay the wages of staff whose qualifications consist of having been inmates. So take your gloves off, grasp your head firmly, and try to pull it out of your ass.
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You are not looking for an honest debate. An honest look at the program and it's tactics would simply reaffirm what we have all been saying. You are looking for someone to fight with so you can feel some conviction in your words and thoughts. Anger can only take you so far. I did a television broadcast for AARC. I watched it recently and was reminded of the shattered state I was in when I graduated.
I am a productive member of society, full time job, post secondary education, healthy relationships, and self respect. I am a survivor and I will continue to be.
You are a survivor and you are lucky to be. Take a deep breath and be proud that you have gotten this far (as you mentioned in an earlier post and so have I, some people do not move past their time in AARC). Good luck in your life and if you change your mind about AARC I truly hope you stay strong and remember you are not alone. Hundreds of graduates have walked this path before and many of us have reached adulthood and are moving forward. Lonliness is a part of getting through this, but it never has to be absolute.
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I did not go through AARC but I did go through KIDS, yet from the things that I read and the people I have spoken to there are great similarities.
Let’s take the "zero club", in KIDS we were treated the same way, humiliated by the very people we were to trust. I ask "how does this help give anyone a "first step"? All it did for me was shut me down; I had no one to reach out to for help. It made me want to move on from 1st phase but never helped me see how drugs destroyed my life. It is a joke if anyone can think this is a healthy way to help people. and do not tell me "they have to be broken" or "they have to earn the right to be treated well" The concept that to help people you must treat them like the lowest form of humanity is so outrageous as they already feel that way or they would not be acting out. It is bad enough to be ripped out of your life and put in rehab, why kick someone when they are down? I could go on and on about the damage that the humiliation and abuse these programs instil. Only now, 10 years after being out am I able to face what honestly happened and how it affects me everyday. There is not one practice that helped me except awareness so that when I hit my own bottom I was able to see it and get help. KIDS just made me trust people so little that when I do need help I am too scared to ask for it. No one has been so bad that they deserve to be abused daily and treated like this.
Who is advocating for these kids in ARRC? Besides people who stand by the abusers. Do these kids have an outside source not affiliated with the program to ask for help without fear of consequence? They are human beings who cannot even see the extent of the abuse they are going through as when you are beaten down enough you think you deserve it. Yes I was an out of control teenager, I had issues, I will not deny that but I did not deserve what KIDS did. I have gone on from it, I have fought hard and built myself up into a life I am very proud of, I am now healing from what happened but I am sorry... to find out this is happening all over again in my own city I cannot just "go on" with my life, how can you knowing there has got to be a better way to help these kids besides treating them like garbage.
To any Parents who might be reading this:
You chose to have a child; you chose to bring them into this world. You have an obligation to give your child a life free from abuse. You owe them a fighting chance at life. It is your responsibility to protect your child even if they are out of control. If you do not investigate, look into, ask questions, go on days when it is not "open Meeting", Ask to see your child alone. Talk to them; let them know they are safe, they can tell you anything, then you are just as responsible. If you are not allowed, something is wrong, and if you think practices like this "zero club" is normal then you had better take a look at yourself. How can you just trust blindly without knowing the truth? There are many options out there and if you keep going one day you find the one that works. The problem is it is hard. What are you willing to do for your child?
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Before AARC, I had smoked pot 10-15 times, used LSD four times and never been drunk. AARC classified me as a "stage 4 addict" (their own classification system) based on the way I dressed and my involvement in social activism mostly. According to them, I was as addicted as you can get, and was just about to end up "deadinsaneorinjail". Actually, I was recovering from some pretty huge emotional problems. I had attempted suicide when I was 12.5 - 2 years before I ever touched drugs. I had been cutting up until a year before AARC. With no support whatsoever, I was getting better. I had stopped cutting, and was no longer afraid to be myself. I was growing up, and I liked the person I was turning into. Two weeks before being locked in AARC, I used drugs for the last time - I chose not to use drugs again, and I still haven't. AARC had nothing to do with that. Overall, I was at a very healthy stage in my life.
AARC told me that I was "chemically addicted" to drugs. That is impossible. You cannot become addicted after using soft drugs less than 20 times well stretched out over a two year period. Drug addicts use drugs - pretty elementary. But AARC told me "druggies don't have to use drugs". That is ludicrous. They claimed that my attempting suicide was "druggie behaviour". They claimed that my vocabulary was part of my disease - using too big words kept me sick. I was told not to use "any word bigger than marmalade". Also, my not using swear words was "sick" behaviour.
I worked for a human rights lawyer, up until I was thrown in AARC. I told them that they were breaking the law by keeping me there against my will, and violating my basic rights - they said "druggies don't have rights".
In short, I was kept in an illegal prison for a problem I didn't have with no ability to tell anyone when I was abused.
Please explain to me any of the good in that.
Rachael
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I will play devil's advocate here. It's good that AARC takes in youth who are not chemically dependent. This allows the Leader to get his hands on more "client" fees from parents. If the only people incarcerated by AARC were drug dependent, that would reduce the pool of money available to the Leader. Additionally, that would also reduce the number of parents infecting others with the AARC religion. This would also result in a reduction of the money pool available to the Leader. In addition to reducing the money pool available, the Leader would have less people over whom he could exert control. If AARC prisoners had recourse to an outside agency, then AARC would, of course, be closed. This would also result in a reduction of the money available to the Leader, and would substantially reduce the number of people available to be controlled. If AARC did not accept these non-addicted people, then their parents would have to find some other means to explain their inability to raise children. Doesn't this show the good that AARC does?
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holy. you people are all sooooo fucked. its amazing. You go on this site that only relapsed graduates, idiots who cant find anyone else to blame for the shitty states of their lives. i went thru aarc at 17 years of age, i never experienced any form of abuse at all. maybe the people who complain here are really just a bunch of bitches who can't handle truth being told to them and therefore, like ajax13's SLF (whatever the fuck that means), just bitch moan and complain, instead of being real, strong, and open, learning from AARC and instead put it all on other people. Doctor Vause has a doctorate, he played for the Broncos, how do I know this? over the past 2 years I have met people who knew him when he was doing all those things. That man is not evil, if you knew him... there is no way you could say that in good conscience... he a caring compassionate amazing dude. You wanna know how i know all this? because i have a little sister who is 7 years old, and he absolutely loves her, everytime she comes around he gives her bead kits, sunglasses, pop, just to make her happy. It's almost like the connection between them is like an uncle-neice. He's a good dude and I respect him lots. SO FUCK ALL YOU BITCHES WHO CANT TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN SHITTY LIVES AND HAVE TO BLAME IT ON SOMEONE ELSE. AARC IS THE ONLY PLACE I'VE SEEN HELP PEOPLE AND I WENT EVERYWHERE IN ALBERTA BEFORE I ENDED UP IN AARC. come chill with me and the other sober graduates before you judge us, fuckin assholes.
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using too big words kept me sick. I was told not to use "any word bigger than marmalade". Doc said that to me too actually.... HE WAS FUCKING JOKING. i wish i knew which graduate you were... oh n btw, u can become chemically addicted after only a few uses. for me, i smoked weed once and i was done, i was doin that shit for the rest of my life, same with alcohol, all i took for myself was once. Open your big book, go to the stories and tell me how many alcoholics in the back there became alcoholics after only a few times drinkin. How the fuck do u know shit about this disease? u got a degree in it now 2?
Rachael
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using too big words kept me sick. I was told not to use "any word bigger than marmalade". Doc said that to me too actually.... HE WAS FUCKING JOKING. i wish i knew which graduate you were... oh n btw, u can become chemically addicted after only a few uses. for me, i smoked weed once and i was done, i was doin that shit for the rest of my life, same with alcohol, all i took for myself was once. Open your big book, go to the stories and tell me how many alcoholics in the back there became alcoholics after only a few times drinkin. How the fuck do u know shit about this disease? u got a degree in it now 2?
Rachael
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using too big words kept me sick. I was told not to use "any word bigger than marmalade". Doc said that to me too actually.... HE WAS FUCKING JOKING. i wish i knew which graduate you were... oh n btw, u can become chemically addicted after only a few uses. for me, i smoked weed once and i was done, i was doin that shit for the rest of my life, same with alcohol, all i took for myself was once. Open your big book, go to the stories and tell me how many alcoholics in the back there became alcoholics after only a few times drinkin. How the fuck do u know shit about this disease? u got a degree in it now 2?
Rachael
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SO FUCK ALL YOU BITCHES WHO CANT TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN SHITTY LIVES AND HAVE TO BLAME IT ON SOMEONE ELSE. AARC IS THE ONLY PLACE I'VE SEEN HELP PEOPLE AND I WENT EVERYWHERE IN ALBERTA BEFORE I ENDED UP IN AARC. come chill with me and the other sober graduates before you judge us, fuckin assholes.
I have never seen any person who uses this forum to educate about AARC and harmful programs, or to reach out for help, use anger and obscenities like this. Yet I consistently see "pro-aarc" people do it. What I don't think you guys realize is that your behavior isn't normal in the outside world. If someone spoke to me this way in person I would most likely call the police knowing that they were not mentally well and would most likely harm someone. To the person who who posted this, and to all of the others who make similar posts, how do you justify this behavior? How do you explain it? Why is it alright for you to be so hostile? What is happening in your brain that makes you react this way? How many times per day do you talk to a Newcomer in this manner?
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how do I know this? over the past 2 years I have met people who knew him when he was doing all those things... he a caring compassionate amazing dude. You wanna know how i know all this? because i have a little sister who is 7 years old, and he absolutely loves her, everytime she comes around he gives her bead kits, sunglasses, pop, just to make her happy.
That is some sophisticated analysis. BTW, the first psychopath I ever encountered used to give my son candy bracelets. As I said in an earlier post, he's a long-term offender, guest of the Federal Government. His neighbors continued to avow his ridiculous story even after he was convicted. Don't feel bad partner, a lot of people who have been taken in by a psychopath can't face it.
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030307, I'm still waiting for some sort of response - "honest debate" if you will - with respect to AARC. What good did it do me? I was not an addict, not even close, so what was the point?
Rachael
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I still have yet to get an "honest debate" answer to my questions before. (I am the one from KIDS), I thought you were interested in expressing your views?
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030307, I'm still waiting for some sort of response - "honest debate" if you will - with respect to AARC. What good did it do me? I was not an addict, not even close, so what was the point?
Rachael
I went to Benchmark, not AARC, but they did the same to me. I didn't drink, smoked pot a few times... My parents sent me there becuase they found out I'm bi. several months later, I truly believed I was an alcoholic, and everything that implies.
Like Rachael, my associations with left-leaning politicical and human rights activism made me unpopular with the staff at the school, and no doubt influenced their classification as me as an addict/alcoholic.
My feeling is that GUEST is either staff, or a relatively recent graduate. Rachael is sober, you twat, and I barely drink at all (really). Maybe you, Guest, are an alcoholic/addict, maybe not, but I wouln't trust the judgment of anybody but yourself on the matter... not your parents, not AARC, any other treatment center, or AA for that matter. Like Rachael, I was told that I had just cought my disease early, adn I should be glad I didn't have to go down the road the staff weant... (WtF... I had gotten drunk ONCE before coming to program.)
For AARC to tell rachael that she was chemically addicted, when she had only used pot and LSD is ABSURD considering both substances are not physically/chemically addictive (pot is about equivalent to caffiene, LSD isn't physically addictive at all). Some argue that Pot can be psychologically addictive if used every day over an extended period of time, but others debate this. Since there are few, truly neutral studies done on the matter, it's difficult to know.
I, too, was told to stop using big words.. that I was using them to cover up how I felt. The truth was, as I see it, is that they just didn't like to appear as if they weren't educated in contrast (and they didn't like to have to ask things like "what does euphemism mean?").
God damn Rachael.. the more I read of your post, the more it sounds like Benchamark. I was also told that I had no rights in program (they told us we signed away our rights).
Guest: Did you ever see AARC reject a kid for admission on the basis that he/she wasn't an addict? My guess is: no. Becuase like most programs, as long as the bills get paid, they don't give a fuck. You probably think that I'm lying about my issues, bla bla bla... that I really have needles sticking out of my eyeballs... Well. You can think that. I don't care.
Don't be a stranger... remember: Keep coming back, it works if you work it!
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I would really like to have a chance to have an honest debate with everyone who hates on AARC... bring it ajax, you seem like an articulate, intelligent dude... but on the other hand, the devil usually comes with a slick tongue and a remarkable ability to seem correct in all he speaks... so, lets drop the gloves... i am an "AARC survivor," still sober, and completely committed to the program, both AA and AARC... but i will concede one of you points... AARC is All About Receiving Cash: to continue to help kids that end up on the streets, suicidal, close to death and chemically dependant.
Let me guess... 030307 is your graduation date, right?
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holy. you people are all sooooo fucked. its amazing. You go on this site that only relapsed graduates, idiots who cant find anyone else to blame for the shitty states of their lives.
Idiots? "shitty states"? Why... Program must have given you some supernatural insight into other people's lives who share your disease. The disease connects us all, doesn't it?
i went thru aarc at 17 years of age, i never experienced any form of abuse at all.
You simply learned to redefine what is, and is not abuse. Tell me: if it helps a person in the end, is any technique/tactic really off-limits ethically? After all, if kids didn't hit rock bottom in program, it would happen out in the cruel, cruel world, where they would end up dead, insane, or in jail. And you have to hit rock bottom to realize you have a problem, Correct? So program simply makes sure you believe you have a problem, by making sure you hit rock bottom. Correct?
maybe the people who complain here are really just a bunch of bitches who can't handle truth being told to them
Absolutely, Guest. I see your flawless logic. Other people with no first hand knowledge of your background, based on trumped up confessions and the ravings of greedy quacks, have perfect perception as to what is the "truth" of your disease... correct? Because addicts understand other addicts, right? And you know one when you see one, right? It's like a supernatural perception into the lives of others. AARC helped you to identify that power within yourself, right? It feels good, doesn't it?
and therefore, like ajax13's SLF (whatever the fuck that means), just bitch moan and complain, instead of being real, strong, and open, learning from AARC and instead put it all on other people.
Absolutely. Everything that happens to us is 100% our fault. We are accountable/responsible for everything that happens in your lives... becuase as druggies, we learned how to blame everything on other people, even when it was their fault...
Doctor Vause has a doctorate, he played for the Broncos, how do I know this? over the past 2 years I have met people who knew him when he was doing all those things. That man is not evil, if you knew him... there is no way you could say that in good conscience... he a caring compassionate amazing dude. You wanna know how i know all this? because i have a little sister who is 7 years old, and he absolutely loves her, everytime she comes around he gives her bead kits, sunglasses, pop, just to make her happy.
Politicians kiss babies too, and Hitler was an avid dog-lover. Your point in relation to the argument? I fail to how hos he treats you little sister has anything to do with the way he acts in program.
It's almost like the connection between them is like an uncle-neice.
Absolutely! He's almost part of the family he has helped you so much. Why, you probably see him as a surrogate father-figure.
He's a good dude and I respect him lots.
I am not quite sure much that opinion is shared around here... All our opinions must be wrong... Must be the fucked up druggie mentality. "druggie mentality" .. HA... There is about as much science in that as Dianetics...
SO FUCK ALL YOU BITCHES WHO CANT TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN SHITTY LIVES AND HAVE TO BLAME IT ON SOMEONE ELSE. AARC IS THE ONLY PLACE I'VE SEEN HELP PEOPLE AND I WENT EVERYWHERE IN ALBERTA BEFORE I ENDED UP IN AARC. come chill with me and the other sober graduates before you judge us, fuckin assholes.
Why, absolutely. I would be more than glad to come hang out with people who don't judge me. After all, that's all you request.
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SO FUCK ALL YOU BITCHES WHO CANT TAKE RESONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN SHITTY LIVES AND HAVE TO BLAME IT ON SOMEONE ELSE.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
I blame AARC for absolutely nothing in my life.
I take full responsibility for achieving academic excellence.
I take full responsibility (or at least half) for my amazingly strong relationship with my professional athlete husband (and our lovely daughter).
I take full responsibility for my extraordinarily challenging and intense corporate oil job - in a department where I am the youngest employee by at least ten years and one of the most valued by far.
I take full responsibility for becoming emotionally strong in the face of extreme adversity.
I take full responsibility for becoming successful in all aspects of my life.
come chill with me and the other sober graduates before you judge us, fuckin assholes.
And again, in case you missed it - I was "sober" before AARC. I chose not to use drugs, and therefore haven't since. And I don't need to "chill with sober graduates", I "chill" with sober Olympic athletes. So quit throwing stones.
Rachael