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If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy.  There are thousands of them.  I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC.  The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually.  At least mine has some credibility.

So based on this law (below), Ajax13, you should be in jail.  Should we conclude that you are innocent since you are still running free or quilty because you havent been caught yet?

If I notify the authorities and 2 years later you are still not arrested what does that say?

Aggravated sexual abuse

How Current is This? (a) By Force or Threat.— Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States or in a Federal prison, or in any prison, institution, or facility in which persons are held in custody by direction of or pursuant to a contract or agreement with the head of any Federal department or agency, knowingly causes another person to engage in a sexual act—
(1) by using force against that other person; or
(2) by threatening or placing that other person in fear that any person will be subjected to death, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping;
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for any term of years or life, or both.
(b) By Other Means.— Whoever, in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States or in a Federal prison, or in any prison, institution, or facility in which persons are held in custody by direction of or pursuant to a contract or agreement with the head of any Federal department or agency, knowingly—
(1) renders another person unconscious and thereby engages in a sexual act with that other person; or
(2) administers to another person by force or threat of force, or without the knowledge or permission of that person, a drug, intoxicant, or other similar substance and thereby—
(A) substantially impairs the ability of that other person to appraise or control conduct; and
(B) engages in a sexual act with that other person;
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for any term of years or life, or both.
(c) With Children.— Whoever crosses a State line with intent to engage in a sexual act with a person who has not attained the age of 12 years, or in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States or in a Federal prison, or in any prison, institution, or facility in which persons are held in custody by direction of or pursuant to a contract or agreement with the head of any Federal department or agency, knowingly engages in a sexual act with another person who has not attained the age of 12 years, or knowingly engages in a sexual act under the circumstances described in subsections (a) and (b) with another person who has attained the age of 12 years but has not attained the age of 16 years (and is at least 4 years younger than the person so engaging), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned for not less than 30 years or for life. If the defendant has previously been convicted of another Federal offense under this subsection, or of a State offense that would have been an offense under either such provision had the offense occurred in a Federal prison, unless the death penalty is imposed, the defendant shall be sentenced to life in prison.
(d) State of Mind Proof Requirement.— In a prosecution under subsection (c) of this section, the Government need not prove that the defendant knew that the other person engaging in the sexual act had not attained the age of 12 years.

So we presented what Ajax13 considers facts here on the forum.  Yet the 2 people (TheWiz and Ajaz13) are still running free.  What went wrong?  We presented the facts!  Notified the authorities!! We posted the laws!!!

Shouldnt everyone be found quilty this way?  2 people on the internet posting laws... shouldnt we have the power to override the authorities and place these people in jail at will.  Not allow them to face their accuser, make assunptions, cut and paste little pieces of the law and then form a lynch mob!!!

Is this what Ajax13 wants?  Should he be in jail too since we have evidence against him?  Should he get a trial or a chance to defend himself or just toss his ass in jail becasue I say so?

Something to think about.

No one is burying the facts, Ajax.  You dont get it, You haven’t presented any facts!!  Lets say someone writes on this forum that you abused your son sexually. Does that make it fact?  Lets say that this person is so convinced of it he notifies the authorities and they get back to you and say there are no findings or they feel there is no merit.  Then how do you conclude this?  Would you say we should believe you abused your son sexually or not?
Do you see what I am saying?  You are stating laws and passages written which are intended to be interpreted and argued by lawyers.  There are courts designed specifically for this reason.  You cannot be judge, jury and prosecutor.  You never even mentioned that you passed the bar exam so how can we trust you?

I can put a sign up saying I provide therapy for drug addiction and that I am the lead therapist and spend all day helping these people by swimming in my pool for therapeutic purposes.  As long as I get some type of basic license and insurance and pay my taxes I am golden.
We can all sit here and quote laws out of a book but if the people who were trained to read and interpret these laws see no problem then we have to go with them and that is what the readers are doing.

Your posts are interesting but they don’t hold water because you are not a professional and the people who are professionals dont agree with you.

Those are the facts.

Well, Bottom line is that 99% of all the kids that finish the program do extremely well.  But dont take the word of someone on line in a forum someplace.  Call the specific programs and schools and ask to speak with some parents who had kids complete the program.  Of course they will give you names of the kids who were successful but you will be able to ask questions to someone who went thru it just like you may be and calm some of your fears.

Sorta like visiting a holocaust victim forum and posting he was served ice cream at Auschwitz using an exaggerated European ex-pat syntax style.

Thats funny!!!  I never thought of it that way.  There is another guest poster who posts alot here.  He is easy to spot and tilts his hand when he uses the words "Gulag", "Torture", "Concentration Camp", "Prison", kidnapping" in his post.  These are his favorite words.  Anytime you see these words you know it is the same guy posting over and over again.

It is a good first step that you're finally able to acknowledge those who were battered. The next would be for you to comprehend that that number is far more than a few.
Helpful to that end would be you’re considering the various kinds of injuries caused to children in programs.

Not all are as physical violence. Assaults like rape and battery do happen in programs, as well as imposed stress positions, prolonged physically exhausting exertions (death marches for some) and inadequate or even no proper medical care.
In addition to these injurious violations of children the damages accrued from dehumanizing humiliations and infliction of emotional abuse and destructive thought reform tactics are very real, very pervasive in the TTI, and completely unnecessary to extending guidance to children.

99% of those accounts are fictitious.  We all know that the kids are helped at these places.... kids here post to blow off steam, its healthy for them but dont rely on the accuracy of the posts.

Ha,Ha,Ha

Quote from: "John David Reuben"

the important thing is the place has...without a single doubt...saved our daughter's life. TO sum up some of the other things: She's graduating from high school a year EARLY, and home-district had her do testing (plus she had a great SAT score) so it's no fluke, and she gets a DUAL diploma from Utah and our home state. She's happy, healthy - recently had another home visit that was totally without issues. She has direction in her life, and although she will have on going therapy for some time due to the trauma that triggered her particular problems, she understands it and is dealing with it from a healthy perspective.

A side benefit is she already has a part-time job (while she goes to college) working for a horse trainer...which is good, because the downside (if you can call it that) is she/we are in the process of buying a horse! But, since she's no looking into equine-related veterinary medicine, that's really a benefit.

I'm truly sorry a lot of you just do not understand the program, but it seems you're just going off the slanted "Brat Camp" stories, and piling on based on crap posted by people with NO facts, who've never been there, and have never spoken to a student or parent who has.

John Reuben keep your fictitious "accounts" coming.

 So fornits has finally reached the point where parents and survivors stories which are not negative are just tossed aside as fictitious.   "Lets tighten things up and only allow the battered few thru the door!!!"  Ha,Ha,Ha  Finally got you to admit it...... its a good first step.