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Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: plymouthhell on June 01, 2001, 04:08:03 PM
I cannot believe I found this site.  I went through hell with Straight, being locked up at 13.  When I was 18 I spent some time searching for what happened to the Straight to see if I had any basis for filing something against them.  I am still angry at the shit they put me through.
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: aillecat2112 on June 01, 2001, 08:18:31 PM
welcome.

I'm pretty new around here too, just found all these wonderful resources for us. I was in KIDS of NJ in 93-94. Nice to "meet" you. Already 3 days after I found the list and message boards I have been made to feel welcome. Definitely a good place
Title: Will the nightmare end?
Post by: plymouthhell on June 01, 2001, 08:55:56 PM
After finding this site tonight I came home and explained to my fiance what happened all those years ago.  I am in shock, I spent the past 14 years wishing someone would understand.  I actually even became addicted to drugs, sell fulfilling prophecy.  I have seen tons of therapists, and finally have my life on track.  How can someone like the Semblers, et al. do that to someones life for a profit.  BS, if you ask me.  Anyway it is nice to know there are others out there who experienced such a unique situation.  I have always been so angry and wished I could find the Straight people and give them a piece of my mind but they completely dissapeared out of this area in MI years ago.  The internet is truly a wonderful thing.  Anyone else out there become addicted after they left "the program"?  Anyone else from the MI Straight?
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: wesfager on June 01, 2001, 10:07:06 AM
hello

Welcome to the internet.  Actually,  shortly before Straight-Detroit closed, Straight official Helen Gowanny was in on the founding of a new program-- Pathways Family Centers in Southfield.  Kathlene Cone did it in Georgia.  Michael Scalleta did it in Orlando.  Kids Helping Kids,  a remnant of former Straight George Ross's own treatment centers,  runs out of the old Straight Cincinnati facility.  Pathways is the first of the follow-ons to open an expansion program.  They expanded into Indianapolis last year.  Recently a TV station did a complimentary segment on Pathways.  


Glad you're here.  It's time we take it back to them.  We need host home lists to get the word out.  There are others in Michigan who were there.  Make it to the DC conference this summer if you can.


Wes Fager

Oakton, VA http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com)
Title: Welcome one and all!!!!!!!!
Post by: KimberlyNJ on June 01, 2001, 11:00:55 PM
WOW!!!!  I'm still amazed at how much this place has grown and IS growing!  I love it!  I love the internet!  I was in KIDS in NJ from 88-90.  With "the man" himself. (newton)

I personally want to welcome all of you to the board and to the world of rememberances!!!!!!!  It's gonna suck at times to remember all this stuff, but I have personally found it VERY theraputic also to be here with other straightlings and KIDS members etc...  I ALSO find it very theraputic devoting some of my life and time making sure these people (newton..semblers) DON"T do this to other Kids!  I have personally helped get Newton fired from not ONE but TWO jobs!  :-)

Please read about our conference in July and consider going!  It's gonna be amazing and extremely informative...I promise!
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: lawcoyote on June 01, 2001, 01:23:22 PM
I was in Cincinnati Straight in 1984-1985, during the time that MI people were being sent to Cincinnati to go through Straight.  Most of the Junior Staff that you dealt with were probibly still the survivors of the Cincy program.  Some of the survivors of the MI program are online and some are connected to the Straight Alumni Yahoo group.  You may be able to contact some people who know exactly what you went through there.  Everyone's experience is different.  I have recently told my wife exactly what I went through, after finding this online community.  Most of the emotions and a lot of the memories were things I thought I had put behind me over 10 years ago.  It isn't easy dealing with the things that were done to me, the things I saw, and the things I did to survive.  It is even harder telling someone I love what went on there.  It seems like about four lifetimes ago that I was there.  

      Good luck dealing with what you need to.  You will find a huge variety of personal experience dealing with the same experience of brainwashing.  Talking online seems to be helpful to some.  Best wishes.
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Tony LL on June 01, 2001, 06:02:23 PM
Welcome. Yes we've all been through pretty much the same thing and when you look back on it, it never ceases to amaze. I also told my wife about that place in detail not too long ago and she was mortified.

As far as being addicted goes, I drank heavily for awhile but then ended up quitting on my own. I did every drug but heroin because I wanted the experience of it all. When I got sick of it. I stopped. I had some really great times but towards the end, the booze just wasn't fun anymore. Now I'm sober and life is good.
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: LESTAT49203 on June 01, 2001, 09:38:03 PM
Hey Plymouthhell, hows it going.  I was at the Plymouth program myself.  I think you came in right after I left.  Who are some of the people you remember.?  I bet we know a few of the same people.  Lestat
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Nike on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
Maybe we know each other.  My intake was July 9, 1987.  When I graduated on May 19, 1989, I was probably the oldest straightling ever.  Yeah, it was hell, but 1988 was a far worse hell than 1987, beginning with "Black Saturday" in January, which was right before my own "cop-out".  Once the restraint law was passed in Michigan, the place became a blood-bath.


What was really ironic was that there were several host homes in Pinckney, which is just down the road from Hell, Michigan.  I always thought of them as being the host homes from Hell! :-)


John
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: ramprato on June 01, 2001, 04:51:22 PM
What really gets me is that in 88 and 89, I was "graduated" from Cincinnati for a number of years already, and working in Plymouth there at the AT&T building. I used to pass that damned Straight building everyday and drive a half mile more down Ann Arbor Road to work. It just frustrates me today to learn that the same crap in Plymouth was going on and I had no way of stopping it, nobody would of believed me, they would of all thought I was the crazy one. Thank God for this internet.


I really am sorry to hear what you all went through in there, maybe some day, we can all get together here in Michigan and picket Pathway Family Center.
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Nike on June 01, 2001, 07:39:10 PM
The last time I was back there, I went to the Burger King down the road, and there were a bunch of straightlings there, passing out balloons and Straight brochures like some cult!  (of course, that's what it was)

I asked one which phase he was on, and he stammered, then one of the older phasers recognized me and said, "He's a graduate, don't talk to him!"  Then they all ran away, terrified.  That was around 1993, which musta been shortly before they closed.


Even though I have been drug-free since I got out, I was banned from Straight right after I graduated because, while I was in the Building for "aftercare", I was overheard joking about being brainwashed.  Man, staff had no sense of humor!  I mean, none of us doubted that we had been brainwashed - the saying in Straight was that our brains needed washing.  Besides, I had studied brainwashing, and Straight was a textbook case for it.  They also didn't like that I had long hair, black leather and punk spikes. :-)


If you ever ate at any of the fast food joints an Ann Arbor Road, chances are you were served by phasers.  Since they have to get summer (or all year for older phasers) jobs on 4th phase and can't drive until 5th phase, that means that we all had to work on Ann Arbor Road, and most of the jobs there were in one of the 20 or so fast food restaurants.  I worked at Wendy's, Pizza Hut and Big Boy's, even though I had been in college and the Teamsters before Straight.  For a long time, I thought Ann Arbor Road was all there was to Plymouth!
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: aillecat2112 on June 01, 2001, 03:32:33 PM
hahaha, I love it, I wonder what tKIDS would have throught about the fact I'm a transsexual leather wearing, permanently pierced dyke.   its funny because they would say this is "druggie" behaviour, yet I don;t do drugs, make 90,000 a year and have been written about in technical journals. Go figure
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: LESTAT49203 on June 02, 2001, 02:35:35 AM
Hey Nike, who are some of the peer staff you remember while you were there?  They would more than likely be people I was there with.  And when did they change the restraint laws in Michigan?  I was in the Cincy program as well and saw a lot of restraints down there.  But I don't remember much in Michigan.  Just curious.  Lestat
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Antigen on June 01, 2001, 09:45:07 PM
Man, this board is getting busy again.


I have to admit, I did my share of partyin' for the year between the Program and parenthood. But I didn't ever think I was headed toward deadinsaneorinjail. I just figured I'd paid the ticket, might as well ride the ride and see what it's like.


Welcome to all ya'll damned yankees! (http://http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif)

-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse (http://http://trebach.org/conference.html)
Title: Re: Will the nightmare end?
Post by: 2dogs2 on August 01, 2001, 03:21:07 PM
86'-87'. I was there.  I grew up in Plymouth. I just found this site. I was trying to find people I new there, anyone ,everyone. Just someone who realy knows.  Do you know me?  Joe Pechette
Title: Re: The "love-ya's" need to pick up! Ply, MI. 86'-87'
Post by: 2dogs2 on August 01, 2001, 03:59:05 PM
How in the hell can I find all  the people I sent freindship letters to? ...And all those that I reported.  I miss all you bastards.  Lets have a song!   Anyone know me.... Joe Pechette
Title: Re: The "love-ya's" need to pick up! Ply, MI. 86'-
Post by: Antigen on August 01, 2001, 01:29:12 PM
Check out Anonymity Anonymous (http://http://fornits.com/anonanon/) There are a bunch of other websites and forums where you might want to go and post a note. It's a good idea to include a fairly permanent email address, as these forums sometimes get slow and you might not get back around to find any responses.


If you set up a new site or forum or run accross any that I don't have listed, please let me know and I'll add them right away.


Welcome!

-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse (http://http://trebach.org/conference.html)
Title: alumni
Post by: 2dogs2 on August 02, 2001, 01:00:06 AM
I checked that site.  It had an Straight Inc. alumni link that went no where.

 Where else can I look for my People?   Any ideas?
Title: Thanks!
Post by: Antigen on August 02, 2001, 12:03:58 AM
I just fixed that link. Thanks! I forgot to do that when E-Groups switched over to Yahoo. There are quite a few people from Straight posting to that list. And it's archived, so you can browse through to your heart's content.


We have some old host homes and 7th step society lists, at least one or two familiar names on there to me. I've never wanted to ring anyone's phone, though, and drop this old nightmare in their laps, so I've always just stuck with being easy to find for those who take it upon themselves to go looking.


Good luck and please send your friends along to these forums as you find them.
Title: Re: Hey Joe! Who do ya know?
Post by: LESTAT49203 on August 01, 2001, 05:13:55 AM
Hey Joe.  Sorry I haven't checked this board for awhile.  Been one busy summer.  I was in Plymouth as well.  I was there till Sept 86.  Who are you looking for?  Do you remember a Tim Tokarz or Rich Pauli?  Rich and his brother Ron were from Plymouth to.  Rich would have been on staff while you were there along with his girl friend Liz Arlen.  Any of these names sound familer?  Get with me if you can.  I have a few questions about some of these people myself.  Thanks Lestat
Title: Ginger?
Post by: Elle on August 02, 2001, 12:16:07 AM
I just went to Anonimity Anonomous, and there didn't seem to be a "Contact me" link. I know Ginger Warbis comes around here from time to time. There are very little links about AARC (Kids spin off) and I was hoping I could ask her to post something on Dean Vuase in the crack pot section! I have articles explaining what's known of his history and pics if needed.


You can mail me at [email protected]


                                                       Elle.
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: heretohelp on September 01, 2001, 09:23:03 AM
To those who have experienced STRAIGHT, KIDS e.t.c.


I am 14 years old and found the web page http://www.heavenisahalfpipe.com (http://www.heavenisahalfpipe.com) whilst searching for the song by O.P.M. Instead I found a web-page by the WebDiva Kelly. In one section of her web-page she recounts the last years of her brothers life. He went through STRAIGHT and commited suicide at the age of 18 after 3 years of STRAIGHT. The web-page brought tears to my eyes and learning about another girls experience on another web-page took me to floods of tears. The HELL you people have undergone is F*****g awful. I have never undergone STRAIGHT or KIDS or anything like that and sitting here at home in my comfortable stable life style makes me feel selfish. I have signed up to this BB because I want to help in the struggle that clearly is an ongoing struggle against organisations like STRAIGHT. I recently sent an e-mail to the SAFE web-site, an offspring of STRAIGHT asking them about there STRAIGHT roots and what they had to say about it. I'm sure they'll (if they mail back at all) mail me back with some SHIT. All I wanted to say was I am here to help and if anybody has any links to other web sites which are also against organisations like STRAIGHT and KIDS please feel free to mail them to me at [email protected] or post them here....


Like I said, I'm here to help... (http://http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif)
Title: Welcome
Post by: angel714 on September 01, 2001, 03:00:50 PM
Hey there Plymouth...I'm glad you found all of us. It was such a relief to me after so many years to find people I could talk to about being in
Title: Welcome
Post by: angel714 on September 01, 2001, 03:03:30 PM
Hey there Plymouth...I'm glad you found all of us. It was such a relief to me after so many years to find people I could talk to about being in "hell" and they knew what I was talking about.Once the excitement of finding the group faded....the anger and pain set in , but I had met people from the boards that helped me through the rough  times...the wine helped too...lol..I was also in the Cincinnati Straight right before they opened the Michigan Program...would love to find out about some of the people from Michigan Program that I was locked up with.I'm sure some of them were still hangin' around in 1987. Just hang in there and be good to yourself...I'm an internet junkie and on-line all the time...if you ever need someone to listen just look me up.  Angie Hawkins (http://http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif)
Title: Glad I finally found this board
Post by: DavidEnglish on September 01, 2001, 01:46:48 PM
I was in Cincy Straight 81-84 at least physically but rest assured that from day one, I had to fly! Copped out twice at my earliest opportunity to do so. Brought back in handcuffs once. I was ever so fortunate to receive the boot by Executive Staff Crock, as far as I can recall the only Straightling ever to have been granted a reprieve in that manner. I got sat on and all the other usual torture but that bothers me never as much as what I was forced to do to other victims in order to con and scam my way out of that emotional Viet-Nam. It has been a VERY long road since I was granted my freedom. They strung my folks out long after my departure. The Straight philosophy (and my folks gullability) deprived me of my family when I really needed them.I still awake with that same sense of impending doom that I felt every minute in that place. I still feel like an outsider when describing the pain and anger I feel towards that place because you have to have been there.
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: FaceKhan on September 01, 2001, 10:07:23 PM
I too, have never been in a program, I am 18. I learned about some of the more modern programs like Tranquility Bay and Paradise Cove a couple years ago while involved in the Teen Rights groups. This past summer, one of my best friends was sent to an unlicensed 'wildnerness program' which I found out was almost shut down because of their negligence in a 14 year old boy's suicide there in Feb. My friend returned home after 2 months. He is ok, and he even thinks the program was not that bad. I was beginning to agree with him, but about 2 weeks after he got back, I got a message from another person who had been there and he gave a negative report. Negligence, unsafe environment, untrained staff, and falsified school transcripts for their highschool class makeup program. I was also contacted last week by someone else who had been there for nearly 6 months ( it is supposedly a 3 month program) and she had similar things to say about it. Both were considered great students while they were there.


Alldredge Academy is no STRAIGHT or Tranquility Bay but it is definitely part of the problem, and the people running it are connected to the worse programs.

 
Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: LESTAT49203 on September 01, 2001, 10:48:41 PM
Well hello David.  I went into Cincy in late May of 84.  what time of yr did they let you out?  There are a few other old Cincy folks around here too.  Iam sure you'll remember them as soon as you see them.  Welcome
Title: Plymouth P.O.W.
Post by: 2dogs2 on September 01, 2001, 05:46:18 AM
Hey Angie. Did we know each other? I was in the Ply. MI.straight 86"-87". Joe Pechette is my name.  I can't place your face.  We surely knew the same people.
Title: I was in plymouth Straight from 1990 to 1992!
Post by: medolphin76 on September 01, 2001, 09:17:53 PM
Hello all of you straightlings.  I am sad to say that I also went through the horrific, terrifying place called straight.  My intake was Oct. 26th 1990 and did not get out until Apr. 13th 1992.  I made it out through a custody battle that my father and I finally won.  I was beaten abused and broken while I was there.  My twin sister was also there, she was actually put in two months before me and then I was put there.  I was not able to have school work brought in and any time I would "fake" my way through some of the program and got on a high enough phase to go to school I would cop-out.  Anyways, the judge was horrified that I hadn't really been in school for two school seasons and instantly gave temporary custody to my father and that meant that I got to leave that god forsaken nightmare.  Anyone there from 1990 thru 1992.  Does anyone remember Leylanny Smith or Carrie Petriet or me Melissa Courter and my sister Mary Courter or Ann Wilkenson or anyone else.  Hey does anyone know how to get a hold of our records from there.  If anyone wants to talk a little more privately my e-mail address is [email protected]  I am willing to talk to anyone about their experiences and help on finding people that were there when I was.  Any help is appreciated.  Loving you all.  

Melissa
Title: Plymouth HELL, too
Post by: mmacpurple on September 02, 2001, 12:28:56 AM
I also am a past-client of the Plymouth,MI Straight Inc.  My twin sister called me tonight and told me about finding some sites about the old hell!!!!!!!  I could not resist to getting online to check it out!  I was there from 1990-1992!  I have to say that this is really the first time since then that i have let the whole Straight thing surface!  I have tried and tried to avoid it for all those years when it was ALWAYS in the back of my mind!  I hated that place and would do anything to put places like that out of bussiness!!!!!!!!!!!  I have three children of my own now and I could never even imagine putting one of my childen through the hell the we all weent through!  My name is Mary Courter and my sister's name is Melissa Courter!  I would like toget in touch with some of hte old people, just like my sister wants to!  There were quite a few clients that even to this day, Iwonder about!  Clients that did not belong there, druggies or not!  No human being belongs in the straight of HELL!!!!!!!  Please, if you have any information you can e-mail me at [email protected] !  I will talk to anyone about anything regarding this @#%$!!!!!!!!  It really scares me to know that there are still programs like these out there!!!!!  We need to do something to help eachother!

Sincerely,

Mary Courter
Title: I was in Cincy and Michigan 85-86
Post by: glassgroupie on November 01, 2001, 11:56:12 PM
I was also one of the people who came over from Cincy to start the Michigan Straight program.  I was on 5th phase and (from what I found out later) just weeks from 7th stepping, when I left the program by simply walking out of my house.  My parents called the police, who came and said there was nothing they could do.  This, of course, would be unheard of in Cincinnati - I would have been tackled by everyone in the room, or kept in by locks, etc.  I was also restrained on the floor in Cincinnati and saw the many people who tried to escape being tackled to the floor by anyone near them, so I was brainwashed to try and physically stop people who tried to leave the Michigan program.  I remember grabbing one girl's arm who tried to leave and Staff told me that I had to let go.  As messed up as the entire Straight program is (I have been reading various posts about the violence and holding people against their will that took place in the different Straight programs and certainly remember similar things firsthand) I feel fortunate that I got to go to Michigan when its program first started because many of the laws were on our side then.  We actually had some fun and quite a bit of freedom when the program first started.  Group sessions were shorter, we went on outings, had groups in people's homes until the building was ready.  We really got to know each other and I felt like we were "normal kids."  Having missed out on things like my prom, highschool friendships, graduating highschool with anyone I knew because of Straight, this particular period in Straight is one that I remember relatively fondly.  I guess I can only say that it was fun because I came from Cincinnati where it was anything but fun.  I guess the leaders of the Michigan program were able to manipulate the Michigan laws as well because it sounds like it wasn't long before it became the same as Cincinnaiti was.  I left before the restraining laws came into effect, but it wasn't long after the Michigan program started that the verbal abuse and other tactics were used and I finally left (this was my only, but last cop-out attempt - don't ask my why it took so long, fear I guess).  It sounds like some of you were there the same time I was.
Title: welcome
Post by: 2dogs2 on November 02, 2001, 01:01:33 AM
Hey whats up glass?  When did you split MI.?  I was there in 86'. I knew a bunch of the folks who came up from Cinncy.    There is another web site for EX-straightlings that I think you might like...Yahoo groups.straight Inc. alumni Check it out...... 2-dogs
Title: Re: welcome
Post by: LESTAT49203 on November 01, 2001, 08:52:48 AM
Hello!  About time you found this place.  I came up from Cincy as well.  Do you remember Jeff Best, Jenny Bowers, or Todd Barron?  How about Dawn Shanna or Tim Tokarz?  Evan though the program was still a mind @#%$ when it first opened in Michigan, I must agree with you.  It was nice not having the same restrictions and restraining laws that the other programs were being subjected to.  It definitly made for a different group atmospher than the one I remember in Cincy.  Glad you found the board, hope to hear back from you.  By the way, whats your name?
Title: Thanks
Post by: glassgroupie on November 01, 2001, 05:04:21 PM
Hi.  Lestat, I posted a message to you through the yahoo board.  Did you get it?  I figured out who you are through that board and remember you well.  I also remember all of those people you listed in the past and previous posts.  Do you hear from any of them?  


2dogs, I saw your name in earlier posts and it sounds so familiar, but I left in April 1986 as a fifth phaser so if I was there when you were, I was probably not in group much to know you.  What month did you come in?
Title: Re: Thanks
Post by: LESTAT49203 on November 01, 2001, 05:04:21 PM
I think I remember you too.  Were you there when we all went to the Moon?  If I am remembering right you were there when I took abunch of 5th phasers to go sleding.  We cooked out over a bonfire and actualy had some fun.  One of the few days I can remember enjoying while I was there. lol   Anyway, I can't see the executives in Cincy letting me take you guys to one of my old party places like the executives did in Michigan.  Oh wait, I didn't tell them I use to party there when I asked. lol    Do you remember that, or am I thinking of someone else?
Title: The Moon
Post by: glassgroupie on November 01, 2001, 11:05:16 PM
Yes.  I was there!  That was the fun outing I was talking about.  Actually that may have been the only one that we went on, but considering what it was like in Cincinnati, it seemed pretty major at the time.  What about some of the people you mentioned earlier.  Do you keep in touch with anyone?
Title: Missed ya
Post by: 2dogs2 on November 01, 2001, 06:08:16 AM
Missed ya by a few months. I got there in Aug. 86' We probably knew some of the same people and went through similar hells. Bet I hated some of the same A. S. S.  holes you did.  LOL.
Title: MICH. STRAIGHT
Post by: GILLY on December 01, 2001, 01:19:30 PM
I WAS IN THE MICH STRAIGHT ABOUT 87-88  CONTACT ME AT [email protected]
Title: 86-87 MICH STRAIGHT
Post by: GILLY on December 01, 2001, 02:03:10 PM
[email protected]

some names i remember...**.lori wagner/warner*  *jen *?  and *jennie phichollie *?sp...chris fisher,percy mealing,**laura ?**....*Amy higgimbothom*..*erin lyinch* ,sally coon      stars are for long term people    there was a Dax.. a girl Katie that rebelled the whole time...wow its been a while!  I am Gillian Cenami was there 10 months copped out w/parents help boy that took some work , got dropped 2 x's before i got threw to my mom.. some staff i remembeer...Will, Peter,Joe,Deanna (all graduates)       COOL DUDE..LOL GET IN TOUCH IF YOU WANT!!           (druggie slang)
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: LESTAT49203 on December 01, 2001, 06:54:41 AM
Hey Gil, sorry all I can do is torment you.  I was there up till Sept 86.  I wouldn't know many of the people you were on your program with, but I bet I know a lot of the @#%$'s that helped you to see the way to True Sobriety.   lmao!!!!!!!  Iam on Yahoo Instant Messenger.  My ID is lestat49203.  Get with me if you want to bullshit about the place.  Later
Title: MI. Straight.
Post by: 2dogs2 on December 01, 2001, 05:52:10 AM
Hey Gilly. I was there also when you were. Aug.86' Dec. 87'.  My real name is Joe Pechette.  Do you have last names of any of the people you mentioned? I'm on Yahoo mess. too.   There I'm "Joey95685". Let's yak.   Have you checked out Straight Inc. alumni (yahoo groups) yet? There's like 120 members.   Later.............Joey
Title: What up "G"
Post by: 2dogs2 on December 01, 2001, 07:54:40 PM
Just wanted to keep this subject near the top , in case any of my old friends cruise by.  "Love ya's".........JOEY
Title: Newton
Post by: jeff belflower on December 01, 2001, 01:55:26 PM
I was in St. Pete for three and a half years in the early eighties. Dr. Newton was God to me for the entire time. I really wish I could tell you all the3 stories I have to tell. I use to see this man torture lots of kids and abuse the @#%$ out of them. I remember peanut butter diets and having five people sit on you at a time beating your chest and hurting the @#%$ out of you in humanity and legalization. We were all druggies in a bad situation, worse yet really young. I am almost 38 years old now. I blame them for screwing me up and my whole family life, which includes support and unqote love. I don't even like the wqrd love now. Maybe one day we will all get together like a weird dream I have. Peace, Love and maybe happiness with love used in the right way.
Title: straight
Post by: jeff belflower on December 01, 2001, 02:01:17 PM
I am laughing now because if you were in Straight you would be blasted out of the room and spit on and maybe sat on. You have great courage and I totaly respect you for that. Keep up the greatness and may peace and love be with you.
Title: Cinci 84
Post by: bellalu on December 01, 2001, 04:30:50 PM
How odd to find this site!  It was actually my Mom who told me about it. I was in Cinci from 84 at the age of 14 until they opened in plymouth and transferred me there, I believe in 96 or 97?  I have lived with much anger and resentment that the emotional and physical abuse that I endured was considered "therapy".  I was abandoned by my parents until I reached 18 because they didn't see the brainwashing.  Anyway my name is Ali Jeffries and my brother Shaun was there along with me. Anyone out there remember us?
Title: Re: Cinci 84
Post by: LESTAT49203 on December 01, 2001, 08:04:39 PM
Hello!  Yes I remember you both very well, (Don't you miss Gregory's hamburgers? lol)  I'am on Yahoo Instant Messenger or AOL Instant Messenger if you want to get with me to bullshit about the place some time.  My ID is lestat49203  Glad to hear from you guys.
Title: Re: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Kathy on December 30, 2001, 08:13:00 AM
testing the new board
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: jadenjames1 on March 03, 2002, 08:41:00 AM
my name is jamie hopkins i was in the plymouth straight program with you. i was there from 1988-1993. if you were there please respond.
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: 2dogs on March 03, 2002, 04:57:00 PM
Hey bro I graduated in Dec. 87' but the place still looked the same I bet.  There is a few people that you probably knew from that same time on another site.  Straight Inc. alumni . Yahoo groups. Not sure of the exact address but it's worth looking for  to find old "war" buddies.  The site has people from all the straight's. Mostly kooks , but maybe you will find an old friend.  Good luck....JOEY
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: 2dogs on March 03, 2002, 05:00:00 PM
Jamie, I forgot to ask.  Is the dates you put down , 88'-93' all one strech!  Holy shit bro!!! m ....JOEY
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: 2dogs on March 03, 2002, 05:01:00 PM
Hey bro I graduated in Dec. 87' but the place still looked the same I bet.  There is a few people that you probably knew from that same time on another site.  Straight Inc. alumni . Yahoo groups. Not sure of the exact address but it's worth looking for  to find old "war" buddies.  The site has people from all the straight's. Mostly kooks , but maybe you will find an old friend.  Good luck....JOEY
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: ladyjerrico on March 04, 2002, 01:08:00 PM
I was in Plymouth MI Straight in 1990. I was 17 then and now I'm 29. One thing this program did do was not allow me to use drugs anymore. But when I sleep, the nightmares I have of this place still haunt me to this very day.
I am still light sensitive. In the 7 months I was there, I was only able to go outside twice for 10 minutes, and barely saw the sun.
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Antigen on March 05, 2002, 02:37:00 AM
Welcome and Greetings.
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: ladyjerrico on March 07, 2002, 08:22:00 PM
I wanted to reply to a message that I saw from LESTAT49203 regarding restraint in Plymouth MI.

I was there in 1990, and yes, it was alive and active in that facility. I was restrained once for trying to leave on my intake, and another time for "acting out" and kicking a chair.

I am female and wieghed 170 pounds then, which was tiny for me at the time. It took 5 grown men to restrain me on my intake and I still nearly made escape.

The staff pushed my head to the floor and one of them screamed "Eat that carpetting!" my mouth and teeth scraped against that nasty dirty oily carpeting and I was forced back on my feet.

I know that facilities like Straight did restrain "phasers" and no matter if it was a written law or not, they got away with it.

Many things were never told to us, never said to us, and most of it was on a "need to know" basis.

Many hidden and frightening experiences were done at the time I spent there, I wouldn't want to ever see again.

[ This Message was edited by: ladyjerrico on 2002-03-07 17:23 ]
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: ladyjerrico on March 12, 2002, 08:47:00 PM
Shawn Jeffries sounds familiar to me for some reason, I was in the Michigan Straight in 1990.
So many people came and went there, it may be someone that I knew if he went to the one I was in.

BTW.. my name is Susan Minns (at the time.. I got married since then)
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: dreammagician on March 16, 2002, 12:05:00 PM
After I got out of Straight I had no money, no life and felt out of place. My family eventually kicked me out of home because I was showing druggie signs, smoke pot. After I left I became seriously depressed and did not like the fact the only family I had was one to give me tough love, not the love my heart really needs, unnsupported love unless you kiss ass doing the straight thing. I started doing alot of drugs to hold down my feelings and escape life. How could tough love help, when the people giving it to you won't even listen to what really happened in this place. Being sat on, deprived sleep and food and constantly singing those hated songs.  I hate Staight.
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: ladyjerrico on March 16, 2002, 03:27:00 PM
dreammagician.. it sounds like you needed a certain type of support group that didn't exist in your life.
Are things going better for you now?
Straight Inc. was hard, I think, on all of us. I didn't use since I came out of there, I know many cover-ups happened at that place and the parents too were programmed into thinking that they shouldn't trust the kids when they talk about abuse and such.
I babysat a part of my life with young kids, and if they are brought up in a stable environment, for the most part, they are honest people.
I think once a "druggie" kicks the habit.. they won't have a reason for lying. At least, that is my philosophy.
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Anonymous on April 17, 2002, 11:43:00 PM
I'm still getting the hang of this crazy machine here so maybe this message will go through... I was in Cincy 84-86 and I remember tons of these people... esp. Ali & Shaun, Liz Arlen, but even more, her (step?) sister Claudia. The Paulis, and that (forgive the hostility but she really singled me out for 'special attention')soul-sucking creature of pure evil, Jenny Bowers, on & onI REMEMBER! Does anyone remember me, Wendy Meyer (DesRochers, now)?
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: webcrawler on January 03, 2004, 02:46:00 AM
yes I was there the same time. What is your name?
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: webcrawler on January 03, 2004, 02:48:00 AM
Is that you John Hines??????????????????
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: webcrawler on January 03, 2004, 02:56:00 AM
Hey!
I was banned after graduation too. I was to "imagy" as they put it. As if my looks would turn me into a doped out woman without anything. Ha ha ha they never broke my will or spirit I played the game and said the shit they wanted to hear. My life is pretty good now too, unlike some Straight zombies who always tried to hate on me and "rip" me I know of some wild shit about their life. It's amazing how they all tried to train us to be each other's watch dogs. The ironic thing is that I first read the book 1984 by George Orwell while I was on second phase and age 15 in Sraights school. Hmmmmmmmmmm do you the the teacher Mrs. Shuppe was secrectly trying to tell us that that place was a shitty cult? I think she tried to save us in her own way. Reading was my total escape in my 22 months of Straight out of hell incarceration.
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: webcrawler on January 03, 2004, 03:00:00 AM
The way they got away with restraing was to use the loophole that they belived we would harm ourself or someone else. It's that loophole that allows you to commit someone in a mental institution. They never caught me thogh! I ran a few times and I was faster! Too bad my parents always tricked me to come back. Straight had them brainwashed for a while. They are normal now. I use to love to see people bolt out the door. Freedom is a wonderful thing!
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Froderik on January 04, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
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1984 by George Orwell while I was on second phase and age 15 in Sraights school

Hey, I read it in there too! In the year 1984 at that.. I also read A Clockwork Orange in there..
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Mamma Bird on February 16, 2004, 07:03:00 PM
I remember you, you were there for a while after I came in. How are you?

 Erin L
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2004, 05:05:00 PM
hey, i grew up in canton and went to plymouth highschool (class of 86)  
i did the typical teenage stuff (pot, drinking, out all night, ha, way worse than my teenager.
my mom said last time I talked to her, she remembers going to "tough love" meetings and that they tried to convince her to put me and my sisters in straight.  She said, I thought those people were a bunch of friggin morons and no way in hell was i turnin my kids, drugs and troubles included, over to those ninnys.  KUDOS TO MOM.
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: warriorprincess on February 17, 2004, 11:32:00 PM
[ This Message was edited by: warriorprincess on 2004-02-19 18:42 ]
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: webcrawler on February 23, 2004, 11:17:00 AM
Hey Erin,

I sent you a message on yahoo groups. Where are you living now? I'm in Ypsilanti now. Email me back at [email protected].
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: The Butcher on February 23, 2004, 11:25:00 AM
You girls ever hear of a band called Killdozer? I think their from Michigan...(or was it Wisconsin?) Ah, well...you ever hear of 'em?
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: webcrawler on February 23, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
I don't think so. Were you in Plymouth too?
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: The Butcher on February 23, 2004, 01:09:00 PM
No baby, I was fucked with in another branch..  :cool:
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
where at? How long?

Christine
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2004, 12:28:00 AM
Wow names I havnt heard i years.  Ran into both years ago at a wedding.  Stories I could tell good and bad.  some day I will reviele who I am and we can all have a good laugh
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2004, 12:29:00 AM
I was in PLymouth Straight 87-89 I am sure we all know each other
Title: Straight in Plymouth, MI 1987
Post by: webcrawler on May 26, 2004, 09:33:00 PM
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On 2004-05-25 21:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Wow names I havnt heard i years.  Ran into both years ago at a wedding.  Stories I could tell good and bad.  some day I will reviele who I am and we can all have a good laugh"




Matt I noticed you were looking for me. I post on the other site more. Come over there. I sent you an email too. Yes, I want to hear what stories you have and catch up on old times.

Christine