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Title: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 12:05:13 PM
This thread will be dedicated to exposing Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases for who and what he really is - a program shill and child abuse apologist.  

My hope is that a simple archive can be built here and whenever Whooter/Aliases post, people can simply link back here to this thread so the uninitiated can see how Whooter behaves and see relevent facts about his identity here at Fornits.

What I'd like to see is a definitive collection of quotes and links that show Whooter's true essence.  Keep in mind that Whooter claims to be "just a regular parent" but in the past five years he has amassed more posts than any other poster on Fornits, save for Antigen, the site owner.

I'll start off with a timeless classic and the rest of you can begin fleshing out this topic.  Please don't forget to link to Whooter's posts to support your POV.  Please, if Whooter responds in this thread, do not respond to him.  I will explain my reasoning at a later time.  Thanks.

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
This is the plain and simple statement, written by Whooter, that has set off this spate of trolling due to its reposting by me:

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote from: ""Guest""
When is this supposed to take place?

Well the  announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.



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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?


I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved,  this could be misconstrued as Tipping

Whooter made this statement several years ago and subsequently auctioned off his account, rendering him unable to change this information he wants nobody to see.  The fact is that he said it of his own volition and was bragging about it.  

The problem is that if everyone knows about this fiduciary duty, Whooter feels like five years of his time here posing as "just a regular parent" have been wasted, and indeed they are.

When I started quoting this post and linking to it, Whooter got increasingly more upset and now spends all day every day being my personal troll in various guises: Whooter, SUCK IT, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, John McCain, et al.

My purpose in quoting this damning statement is twofold: one, it exposes Whooter for who and what he really is, a figure whose income is derived from Aspen Education; and two, to draw him out of his carefully crafted image to expose him for the desperate Aspen Education troll he is.  Both objectives are complete.

Watch as Whooter logs in and out with his various sockpuppets, accusing me of abusing and raping children because he has been definitively linked to Aspen Education and its systemic abuse problems.  It's interesting to note also that Whooter accuses me of the very things that Aspen Education programs have been being shut down for recently. He is simply trying to project qualities onto me that have been legally proven against Aspen Education.

Industry people always squeal the loudest when they've been stuck in the wallet.  Look at this piggy squeal.

This is a desperate troll, folks.  Whooter/SUCK IT/et al is an exemplar of the people to whom you might have entrusted your child's welfare at Aspen Education programs.  If their marketing people behave this way, doesn't that provide a window into their corporate culture and strategy, as Ed Con Tom Croake recently exposed on his FamilyLights website?  Even Ed Cons who make their living referring kids to Aspen are turning on it due to their recent spate of killings, abuse and neglect resulting in facility closures. This is how Aspen Education employees behave in public.  Now just imagine how they behave in private, behind closed doors, alone with your child.  Think about that for a while.

Caveat emptor, parents.

Link to Whooter's "Fiduciary  Duty" post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=23299&p=283976&hilit=+fiduciary#p283976)

Have fun and enjoy this venue.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 12:14:11 PM
Here Whooter admits to phonying up posts from others:

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?

Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits.  Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!

Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board?  Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?  

Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see.   I dont even know who Ottawa5 is.  I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think.  Why does he continue to make this stuff up?  What is the point?  No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.

Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.

Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.

Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...

We all agreed, at the time, that this was justified because of the double standard that Ursus set-up.



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So, because Whooter believes Ursus "set up a double standard" he thinks it OK to slander me, going as far as to call me a "child rapist"?  This person exhibits some strange and disturbing ideations about "fair play."

Link to Whooter's rationalization of slander (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30956&start=15#p374570)
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Ursus on August 23, 2010, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
We all agreed, at the time, that this was justified because of the double standard that Ursus set-up.
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
So, because Whooter believes Ursus "set up a double standard" he thinks it OK to slander me, going as far as to call me a "child rapist"? This person exhibits some strange and disturbing ideations about "fair play."
Well, one thing that is certainly a mystery to *me*, at least, is exactly what this "double standard" is that I allegedly "set up," not to mention how, in fact, I could have facilitated such a thing!  :rofl:
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Whooter on August 23, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
......he thinks it OK to slander me, going as far as to call me a "child rapist"? This person exhibits some strange and disturbing ideations about "fair play."
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?

Dysfunction Junction can rarely produce any links to his claims.  I asked him earlier and he ran away.  Lets see if he can provide the link where I said this.  Once again it should be interesting.



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Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Samara on August 23, 2010, 12:48:04 PM
You did say it, Whooter. I remember reading it.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 12:58:42 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
The reason is that I am a firm believer that those who work day and night solely to discredit others on an open forum usually have many skeletons in their own closet and always slip up as I showed you today.

Here Whooter completely invalidates himself. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=345#p368270)  Since Whooter "works day and night trying to discredit other posters" he therefore has many "skeletons in his closet."

Whooter is a phony hypocrite in all respects.

Reminder: Don't reply to Whooter.  Just post quotes and links to his inanities. This will be expalined later.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

Whooter is the glossy brochure, while his other usernames (Mitt Romney, SUCK IT, Al Gore, Sarah Palin, RobertBruce ., Queef, John McCain, etc. ad nauseum) are the thugs that actually get their hands on your children.


People logging in under numerous usernames appears to continue to be a source of heartburn for you, Dysfunction Junction.  If this is so unsettling to you the fornits admins may be able to change the rules to your liking so that each user can only be assigned one user name.  But I don’t have control over that.

I can tell you that of the list of usernames that you laid out above, some are mine and some are not.  


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Here Whooter admits to using various login names as sockpuppets to support his agenda and to attack other posters who don't agree with him. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30744&start=120#p368558)
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:08:02 PM
An entire thread in which Whooter gets caught in many inextricable lies. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342)

This thread shows him using Fornits as a source to gain referrals for Aspen Education.  Not exactly what a "regular parent" would do, eh?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
Here Whooter cops to his massive ego: (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13220&p=160269&hilit=thewho#p160269)

Quote from: "Whooter"
Myself, I am different, I dont have anything to be insecure about because I have a very large ego.

This giant ego is what drives him here.  He never admits he's wrong, derails threads when he's exposed and even goes as far as to "out" program kids by name and discuss their "issues" he claims to have gotten from their treatment records at HLA.  

"Just a regular parent"?  Hardly.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:22:41 PM
This thread is a monument (or garbage pile, depending on your POV) to Whooter.  In it he posted 854 times as "TheWho" to feed his aforementioned massive ego.

TheWho's garbage pile. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&start=0)
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: "TheWho"
Psy Wrote:
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Schools exist for the benefit of the customers, and customers have a right to demand accountability and oversight. They shouldn't have to ultimately... that's what state regulation is supposed to be for: so there is some authority making sure the kids aren't being abused, and their human rights are being respected.

Exactly, The customer is the parent, the product is the child.  The schools will respond primarily/initially to the needs of the parent not the child...

Here Whooter admits that programs don't respond to children's needs, but rather parents' needs.  He goes on to say"children are products," a very telling statement about his true beliefs. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16007&hilit=chicago&start=1395#p245213)
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 01:28:53 PM
In this example of Whooter's employment at programs he admits to being part of the screening process for intakes at the program: (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=30872&start=60#p371699)

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
That's funny.  Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a program business office...

Mothball an empty bed?  You're unhinged.  The program motto is "Heads in beds and asses in chairs."  I've heard this verbatim many times.  Empty beds means empty accounts.  That's definitley not how they operate.

Its okay if you disagree,DJ, I happen to know differently.  This may have been the way in the programs you worked in.

I have seen the screening process and seen kids being rejected and the program moved forward with a lighter peer group.  They could have easily accepted one of those other kids for a few months until they filled the slot, but they didnt.



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I wonder how "just a regular parent" was soo intimately involved in the program's intake procedures?  Soemthing fishy there, huh?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
In this example of Whooter's employment at programs he admits to being part of the screening process for intakes at the program: (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=30872&start=60#p371699)

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
That's funny.  Spoken like a person who has never seen the inside of a program business office...

Mothball an empty bed?  You're unhinged.  The program motto is "Heads in beds and asses in chairs."  I've heard this verbatim many times.  Empty beds means empty accounts.  That's definitley not how they operate.

Its okay if you disagree,DJ, I happen to know differently.  This may have been the way in the programs you worked in.

I have seen the screening process and seen kids being rejected and the program moved forward with a lighter peer group.  They could have easily accepted one of those other kids for a few months until they filled the slot, but they didnt.



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I wonder how "just a regular parent" was soo intimately involved in the program's intake procedures?  Soemthing fishy there, huh?


Ayup......just a simple program parent.  No relation whatsoever to programs themselves.  No relation whatsoever to Ed Cons and their ilk.  No "fiduciary responsibility" to programs.  Nothing to see here, move along people.

 ::)  ::)
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 02:10:11 PM
Here Whooter, the ignoramus, trying to appear smart, gets pinched plagiarizing a Stanford professor and passing off the commentary as his own philosophical production. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30195&p=361146&hilit=children+have+no+rights#p361129)

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter (kind of)"
The relevant capacity qualifying children for possession of rights is that of the ability to choose. Children in general lack certain cognitive abilities—to acquire and to process information in an ordered fashion, to form consistent and stable beliefs, to appreciate the significance of options and their consequences. Children can be great risk takers...

Just in case anyone thought Whooter grew a brain and could miraculously talk intelligently on child rights, he plagiarized a Stanford website.  Of course, he didn't cite his source.  He tried to pass it off as his own work.  I believe Ajax13 hit this on the head when he called Whooter "stupid and lazy."  Alas, it's true, Ajax13.  Good point.

Link to Whooter's Plagiarization (http://http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rights-children/)

Quote from: "Whooter"
I stand by all my posts, Joel.

Because they were written by academics who know what they're talking about.   :rofl: Whooter, OTOH, is a run-of-the-mill dumbass.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2010, 02:12:00 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter (kind of)"
The relevant capacity qualifying children for possession of rights is that of the ability to choose. Children in general lack certain cognitive abilities—to acquire and to process information in an ordered fashion, to form consistent and stable beliefs, to appreciate the significance of options and their consequences. Children can be great risk takers...

Just in case anyone thought Whooter grew a brain and could miraculously talk intelligently on child rights, he plagiarized a Stanford website.  Of course, he didn't cite his source.  He tried to pass it off as his own work.  I believe Ajax13 hit this on the head when he called Whooter "stupid and lazy."  Alas, it's true, Ajax13.  Good point.

Link to Whooter's Plagiarization (http://http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rights-children/)

Quote from: "Whooter"
I stand by all my posts, Joel.

Because they were written by academics who know what they're talking about.   :rofl: Whooter, OTOH, is a run-of-the-mill dumbass.


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


Son or daughter Whooter?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 02:29:32 PM
In this installment (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30195&hilit=children+have+no+rights&start=150#p361014) Whooter justifies the new kid at a wilderness program receiving only 400 calories for an entire day (a day on which this child DIED, by the way) despite marching in 100+ heat with an 80lb pack on his back.

Whooter also goes on to justify the staff's not calling 911 until the poor kid was dead because of their desire not to "get their asses chewed out by supervisors."  After which he states explicitly "Children have no rights."

This guy will make any excuse for program abuse and neglect, even if kids are being killed by starvation and force-marching.  He is a very mentally ill person.

Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
What's the purpose of the newcomer getting less to eat than someone who'd been there a while?

Not sure…..  Could be part of the detox or a cleansing process of some sort.

Quote
Obviously. I'm not either but even me, as a layperson, can recognize the beginning stages of heatstroke. Most anyone with even a modicum of decency or compassion would, especially in light of the fact that this is being done in the heat of the desert, err on the side of caution.

I would too (err on the side of caution), but it is possible that a high percentage of kids vomit their first day out and therefore wasn’t that unusual.  People detox and cleanse primarily through their pores, vomiting and urine...

Quote
Yep, it sure did. Because the staff's first thought is to call other program staff (the "oh shit, maybe we really fucked up" realization)....not to get medical help. They've been trained to regard these kids a just a buncha spoiled druggie kids and to regard any complaints that the kids have about treatment as manipulation. Hell, we were flat out told that we didn't have any rights.

Well, they were right, the kids don’t have any rights.  Maybe the staff called  911, in the past, only to find out the kid was faking and the program higher ups reamed their asses for wasting time and valuable resources on a non problem. So maybe they were afraid to call this time and waited too long.



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Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2010, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
......he thinks it OK to slander me, going as far as to call me a "child rapist"? This person exhibits some strange and disturbing ideations about "fair play."
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?

Dysfunction Junction can rarely produce any links to his claims.  I asked him earlier and he ran away.  Lets see if he can provide the link where I said this.  Once again it should be interesting.

Any links to where I stated this yet?  lol


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Son or daughter Whooter?  Was it a son or a daughter that you shipped off to an Aspen program?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2010, 02:37:19 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
......he thinks it OK to slander me, going as far as to call me a "child rapist"? This person exhibits some strange and disturbing ideations about "fair play."
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?

Dysfunction Junction can rarely produce any links to his claims.  I asked him earlier and he ran away.  Lets see if he can provide the link where I said this.  Once again it should be interesting.

Any links to where I stated this yet?  lol


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Son or daughter Whooter?  Was it a son or a daughter that you shipped off to an Aspen program?


And why are you avoiding the question?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 02:37:35 PM
Great question, Anne.  People often wonder, since Whooter phonied up so much of his "family's program experience," if he actually had a son at a program or even no kid at all.  It's tough to tell with him because he makes up so much stuff.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 02:44:41 PM
Here we have Whooter telling us how having an abuse hotline at TBSs is bad idea because the abuse line operator might talk dirty to a kid who was raped by a counselor (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=21256&p=255763&hilit=+hotline#p255754):

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote
Now, let's examine this, Who: Let's say, for argument's sake that a kid's very own counselor sexually abuses him/her. ASR's plan, as you verified with them like I did, is to have that child report the abuse directly to the person that perpetrated it.

This is downright scary and paves the road for child abuse. I would avoid this facility at all costs. It's dangerous!

Sure, DJ, of course it is possible.  The guy on the abuse hot line could talk dirty to the kids also...

What a sick freak!
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 23, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
I think our friend DJ has finally gone off the deep end.  Maybe if he creates another footer entry it will calm him down a bit.


Maybe if you create another alt you'll answer the question about whether you sent a son or a daughter to an Aspen program?  I think you really ARE worried this time.  

Now..........son or daughter?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 23, 2010, 04:24:30 PM
No answer yet, Anne?  Whooter has never been so shy before.  He usually would have answered 20 or 30 questions that have nothing to do with what you asked by now.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
This one definitely belongs here...

Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Apparently, from what I'm reading, you must mean "other" not "otherS," since it's only you and your aliases we're talking about.

Whenever I think of the screen name "Whooter" the phrase "full of shit" keeps coming to mind for some reason.

I wonder why...?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
DJ is a child rapist.

Not nice!  For just disagreeing with this guy you get called a pedophile.
....do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?

Another good catch, Ursus, I think our friend DJ has finally gone off the deep end.  Maybe if he creates another footer entry it will calm him down a bit.



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Wow, in this one Whooter phonies up a quote from me and from Ursus in the same post. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=15#p374657)  Classic Whooter trolling.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 10:02:49 AM
Hey, Ursus, did you write what Whooter is quoting you as saying?  I know I never wrote what he quoted you quoting me as saying.  The only accurate part that I see is where he quoted himself saying "DJ is a child rapist."  He did say it.  He admits it by quoting it over and over.

We need some clarification as to where Whooter got the rest of this quote.  There's no link provided, but the little piggy keeps squealing that if anyone is to be believed, they must have a link.  But no link is evident.  Hmmmm...makes you wonder.
Title: Whooter's discrediting agenda
Post by: Ursus on August 24, 2010, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Hey, Ursus, did you write what Whooter is quoting you as saying?  I know I never wrote what he quoted you quoting me as saying.  The only accurate part that I see is where he quoted himself saying "DJ is a child rapist."  He did say it.  He admits it by quoting it over and over.

We need some clarification as to where Whooter got the rest of this quote.  There's no link provided, but the little piggy keeps squealing that if anyone is to be believed, they must have a link.  But no link is evident.  Hmmmm...makes you wonder.
I wrote it, but not in response to the post as noted above. I actually wrote it in response to Whooter himself, he edited out that part. At the time of my original post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), he was "quoting" material that apparently had no source. Perhaps it was even material attributed to you.

Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this. Yet another instance of a rapidly growing list.

Perhaps Whooter also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in. After all, who would want to risk having their posts misquoted and misused to malign other posters? Of course, there's always the old standby: namely, derailing and/or killing conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
Title: Re: Whooter's discrediting agenda
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 10:23:21 AM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Hey, Ursus, did you write what Whooter is quoting you as saying?  I know I never wrote what he quoted you quoting me as saying.  The only accurate part that I see is where he quoted himself saying "DJ is a child rapist."  He did say it.  He admits it by quoting it over and over.

We need some clarification as to where Whooter got the rest of this quote.  There's no link provided, but the little piggy keeps squealing that if anyone is to be believed, they must have a link.  But no link is evident.  Hmmmm...makes you wonder.
I originally wrote it in response to Whooter himself, he edited out that part. At the time of my original post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), he was "quoting" material that apparently had no source. Perhaps it was even material attributed to you.

Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this. Yet one other instance of a rapidly growing list.

Perhaps Whooter also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in. After all, who would want to risk having their posts misquoted and misused to malign other posters? Of course, there's always the old standby: namely, derailing and/or killing conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...

OK, thanks.  I just wanted to clarify that Whooter fabricated this entire post.  

I think you're right about why he does it, too.  Plus, you have to figure in his self-admitted massive ego.  He only wants to "win the argument" (i.e. discredit the adversary because he doesn't have a factual leg to stand on) even if he has to humiliate himself in the process.  But, at this point, he a shameless liar anyway, so maybe he doesn't even feel the humiliation anymore since it has been so omnipresent with him.  He doesn't even try to hide it anymore.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 11:09:50 AM
This post definitely belongs here in this thread...

Quote from: "Samara"
I don't need to start a thread about negative experiences. This whole site is about negative experiences. Fornits was never intended to be a site for pro program shills and kool aid drinkers. Especially ones whose specific goal is to "deny and distract."  Your kool aid drinking does not bother me as much as Whooter's cyclic pattern of bait and switch.  I just feel that there should be some sites that are a safe haven for those who need it. The fact that Whootie has taken up virtual residence here is not indicative of "fair and balanced" - I wish it were, but it's not. It's tactical and lacks any component of human empathy.  He has also been caught red handed in various deceptions and perversely, carries on. He gets a sick kick out of it.  So, no, I do not believe he should ahve access here.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 11:56:16 AM
Already debunked... (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=30975&start=30#p374866)
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 12:19:18 PM
This thread will be dedicated to exposing Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases for who and what he really is - a program shill and child abuse apologist.

My hope is that a simple archive can be built here and whenever Whooter/Aliases post, people can simply link back here to this thread so the uninitiated can see how Whooter behaves and see relevent facts about his identity here at Fornits.

What I'd like to see is a definitive collection of quotes and links that show Whooter's true essence. Keep in mind that Whooter claims to be "just a regular parent" but in the past five years he has amassed more posts than any other poster on Fornits, save for Antigen, the site owner.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 06:45:27 PM
In this dandy Ursus bitch-slaps Whooter for slicing and dicing two of his posts and provides links to the originals that Whooter "rearranged."

Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=30956&start=15#p374564)

Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Why do you make things up to deceive the readers?

Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Uh, yeah, like there's no industry types on Fornits.  Wait a sec...one of them is you, Mr. Aspen Fiduciary!

Remember when you claimed to have access to RB's treatment records via an HLA staff member on this board?  Or your true love, Ottawa5 whose stated goal was to open her "own program along the lines of CEDU"?  

Your explanation is laughable, troll boy :rofl: .
….. do you have LINKS to the original posts for all this material? Or are you just making this up as you go along?
Great catch, Ursus, you are on to his MO too I see.   I dont even know who Ottawa5 is.  I did a search on ottawa5 and it turns out that I never had any contact with this poster, not even one post! DJ is starting to lose it I think.  Why does he continue to make this stuff up?  What is the point?  No wonder he didnt provide links its all just fabricated.

Does anyone even know who this Ottawa5 poster is?
FOR THE RECORD: the above quote by me was copied, edited and pasted from another of my posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&start=660#p372079), originally addressed to Whooter, that designation having been neatly lopped off by Whooter himself. It would appear that this kind of posting behavior functions as a means of perpetrating more of his myths, in this case to intimate the lessened credibility of other posters.

Here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29342&p=372270#p372270) is another time that he tried this.

Ya gotta wonder whether he also uses this tactic to intimidate other posters from chiming in, not to mention derail and/or kill conversation in key threads, confusing the naive reader in the process...
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 24, 2010, 06:55:29 PM
Somebody is upset that Ursus called him out, complete with "before" and "after" links showing Whooter's sausage-making with other people's words.  Boo-hoo.  Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.  Oh...wait...Whooter did both crimes and time.  I'll have to post those links next.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Che Gookin on August 24, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
Look, I axed all of whooters posts because he's banned from this forum. However, if this thread is flooded with mindless dribble and other garbage I'm going to start axing other people's posts. I probably whacked a few of yours Annie, but that is more on accident. I was hitting the delete button so fast my finger about fell off.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 10:13:51 AM
Here Whooter accuses me of using multiple logins, but I offer to have the admins verify my user account and Whooter volunteers to have his usernames posted as well.  Only when it's time to do it, Whooter chickens out and renegs on his promise, which was just a lie, as all of his posts are. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30972&start=210#p375216)

This is probably the single-most revealing aspect of Whooter's behavior here.  He posts under all sorts of aliases, like the phony "program kid," SUCK IT does, yet he squeals about everyone else doing it.  He steadfastly refuses, like the coward he is, to tell the truth about his multiple aliases here.

Even though he offered to do this, he cowers and runs when called to task.  He's a phony and a liar.

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
No, I said what I meant.  Are you cowering away from your request to have your multiple usernames tied together now?

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I have been open all along and have had my user-names exposed and all my guest posts strung together and tied to my user names every time I was asked.



...

You keep sayin' that, but somehow you never actually do it.   :rofl:  I believe you had it done one time and that's where all these quotes I am posting came from.  That was five years ago.  You have A LOT of anon posts and usernames since then that you seem to want to keep secret.

Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Another option is to ask fornits admins to list out our user names (and string together past anon posts)and post them publicly. I have done this upon request a few times before and am willing to do it again, if it interests you (I have nothing to hide).

Why, yes, it does interest me.  Please have it done right away, as you just offered to do.  I'll be glad to see the results straight away.

That was several days ago and you keep repeating it.  Still waiting...

You keep saying you're open and you're glad to do it, but it never happens, does it?  I guess it's you that is "tucking tail and running" huh?  Git 'er done, boy!  Unless of course you're fibbing about that too!  :deal:  :jamin:

Now that's two items that won't go away (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=23299&p=283976&hilit=+fiduciary#p283976), but I have time, and so I will wait for you to deliver what you said you would.  You volunteered, so put up or shut up.

Nothing to hide you said.  Let's get it done.  Right now.


Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "psy"
Attaching all usernames to a single account is a post by post task.  My telling PosterX it was possible was a bluff.  I'm not going to go through hundreds and hundreds of posts and change them one by one.  I can, however, reveal all your usernames both of you have used quite easily if that is a suitable alternative.

Fine with me.  Let's roll on it.
if whooter is ok with that.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 10:24:27 AM
In this one, a moderator verifies the fact that Whooter's daughter went right back to doing drugs and drinking after ASR and estranged herself from Whooter for two years. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21273&p=256047&hilit=+thewho+edited+daughter#p256047)  

That's right, his "program success story" is that his kid who he sent to a program cut him out of her life for two years after she got home while she drank and drugged.  When this anon post was linked to Whooter's account he quickly deleted it to cover his "program failure" admissions.  

Quote from: "Deborah"
Quote from: ""Guest""
This is the last refuge for someone caught blatantly lying so many times that he has no other excuse but "They altered my posts!" What a LOSER.

 :rofl:
That's about the size of it. He hasn't a leg to stand on in an honest debate, so he resorts to attacks and false allegations. I could provide links to many posts that I would've loved to dump. They're still there.
The only one 'editing' Who's posts is Who. Remember the one in which he stated his daughter split and didn't talk to him for 2 years. He apparently forgot he posted that back when he was anon- before he picked a user name. When I linked to it, he promptly deleted it.
Wah, wah, wah.  :cry2:

Really nothing this guys says is true.  He lies about quite literally everything.  Notice his pattern, when caught in a huge lie, has remained the same since he got here - "Someone altered my post!" - which, of course, is impossible.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 10:39:25 AM
Whooter also happens to have an extensive criminal history (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23338&p=284895&hilit=+arrest#p284869) involving many arrests in several states.

At first he tried to pass it off as arrests for "civil disobedience" but when he was pressed about not being allowed contact with minors, he refused to talk about it any more.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Of course you did not find anything. As stated previously the entire thread is gone. This has happened to a lot of data in the 2 moved which have just occured. The who deleted his post claiming that he repaid his debt to society but the entire thread has been removed.
Th Anne bonney, unfortunately you are wrong. I wish that you were not. I am not the who. I genuinely recall seeing this post. it is extremely frustrating that it appears to no longer exist as it is information that any parent should be aware of when reading this bastard's posts.


Hey, I'm not saying it did or didn't happen and that is damned frustrating. He's the only one who can do that.  I was just presenting a theory.   I wish there was some way to retrieve it.  Have you contacted Ginger or anyone else through PMs to see if there is any chance?  There must at least be a Google 'cached' page??  I have no idea what I'm talking about so someone tell me if that's not possible.  

Hey. Let's try this.

The Who.....have you ever been charged with lewd and lascivious behavior or child molestation or anything similar?  Anything in that realm?  This is your chance to state, unequivocally one way or the other what your side of the story is.  Or do you not want to 'go on record' so to speak, denying it in case you're proven wrong later?  I really have no fucking clue.

Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:

Actually I do have a record.  The last time I was arrested was in college.  I was arrested several times in Boston (for various protests and acts of civil disobedience) and once in Ann Arbor Michigan (when a protest got out of hand).  I was underage, skipped school and scored a plane ticket from my sisters boyfriend when my parents were in Europe and went to the campus of Univ of Michigan in Ann arbor, myself and several people were arrested for digging these huge craters on the Diag which were meant to simulate bomb holes left by the US in Vietnam, by far my best arrest (like 40 or 50 of us were arrested).  Thought I was going to be sent away when my folks cut their trip short to come home to get me, anyway, that one is probably sealed because I was underaged.  I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people.  This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you.....  I was so scared that after a couple of times I waited for him to fall asleep and then I took my shoes off and wedged them underneath him so he wouldnt roll off the bench again.   Definitely good memories, but I have not been arrested since the age of 22.

He also soiled his skivvies because of his fear of "scary black guys."  He does the crimes, but when it's time to do the time he just soils himself and gives up his commisary and sneakers I guess.

He claims to have been "underage" for this particular arrest, but they don't lock up kids with adults in the bull pen, so that's where this little fairy tale starts to disintegrate.  He wasn't underage and this was no "civil disobedience" arrest.  

In fact, a source article from the incident shows only four people were arrested and all were adults.  Whooter was locked up in an adult jail for something that he doesn't want to talk about.  Maybe Anne Bonney was on to something...?
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 02:40:35 PM
Wow.  Whooter's posts in the thread "TheWho" just jumped from 835 to over 1200!  Man, 350 anon posts in that thread alone!  This guy has to have over 15,000 posts here.  I thought before he spent a lot of time here, but now I know he never leaves. Ever!
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 03:50:51 PM
Clean up, ailse 4!  I had 3500+ posts this morning.  I now have 3540 after I posted about 25 times today.  Where are these "1400 posts"?  Just made that up, too I guess.

You, OTOH, got gobsmacked, Whooter.  Psy made a little mistake in the coding and most of your anon posts were populated under "TheWho" and that post count shot waaaay up.  The best part?  You can't edit those posts.  Gotta love it.  You got burned, Whooter.  And bad.  Lols.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 03:55:17 PM
Wow, TheWho's account jumped from 4200 posts to OVER SEVEN THOUSAND!  Over THREE THOUSAND ANON POSTS that he was vehemently denying!  Ouch, phony-boy.  You got hit HARD!
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 04:09:43 PM
For those of you wondering what happened here, Whooter claimed I made thousands of guest posts and had several aliases on Fornits.  I challenged him to have all of our guest posts tied to our user accounts and he finally agreed after a month or two of badgering.  Guess what the results were, folks...

Wow, TheWho's account jumped from 4200 posts to OVER SEVEN THOUSAND! Over THREE THOUSAND ANON POSTS that he was vehemently denying! Ouch, phony-boy. You got hit HARD!

Whooter's anon posts got mostly put under "TheWho" which made up over three thousand more posts.  

AsTheWho, Whooter has postsed an amazing 7257 times.  That count was 4200 this morning.  Over three thousand anon posts, Whooter.  You are really, really obsessed.  7257 as TheWho and 2000 as Whooter makes you by far and away the most prolific troll on Fornits.  Psy only has 5000 posts and he's an admin!  

The funny thing is that the posts of TheWho had been linked to his account previously, so these 3,000 new posts by Whooter came in just the last year or so since he sold off his TheWho account.  Best part?  Since they were mistakenly moved under TheWho instead of Whooter, he can't even edit them.  So now he's stuck with no way to get out of it.  This is too funny!

Damn, Whooter.  I guess we now know what you do all day and night.  Holy schnikies!

For the record, my post count went from 3526 to 3540, a whopping 14 anon posts from five years of posting.

Recap:
Me - 14 anon posts and no aliases
Whooter - over 3,000 anon posts and seven aliases and counting
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 04:11:55 PM
Whooter now has over 9,000 logged posts at Fornits.  9,000.  This is literally all he does - troll fornits.
Title: Re: The Truth About Whooter/TheWho/Other Aliases
Post by: Troll Control on August 25, 2010, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Click on Whooter's username, then click on "search user's posts" and you will see "Search found 3018 matches".

Link To Whooter's 3018 Posts (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=5558&sr=posts)

Logged in, Whooter has 1990 posts.  3018 - 1990 = 1028 anon troll posts.

So, "Whooter" has 3018 posts with 1028 troll posts.

Whooter's first post was 9/14/2009.  So in less than one year, Whooter has posted 3018 times.

The new forum rules (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29724) were implemented on 2/1/2010 the point at which anonymous posting was ended.  So, between 9/14/09 and 2/1/10, a span of four months, Whooter posted anonymously 1028 times.  Or  a rate of about 3100 anon troll posts per year.  Wow.

Now, click on the username TheWho, then click on "search user's posts" and you will see "Search found 7190 matches".

Link To TheWho's 7190 Posts. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/search.php?author_id=2760&sr=posts)

He had 4200 posts when he sold his account to Ursus.  7190 - 4200 = 2990 anon troll posts.  Or about 1000 troll posts per year as TheWho.

TheWho's first post was 10/3/2005.  His last post as TheWho was on or about 9/25/08. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25894&hilit=thewho+auction+account#p315819)  But a few of his recent troll posts got hooked up under TheWho instead of Whooter.

Grand Totals:

10, 208 total posts
4, 018 troll posts as an anon

Roughly 40% of all Whooter's posts are troll posts.

In the four months between his creation of "Whooter" and the new rules kicking in, he posted 1018 anon posts or 8.5 troll posts per day every day.

Stunning.

He also has about double the number of posts as anyone else who has joined Fornits since he has.  He literally spends day and night, every day and night posting here.

Later we can examine his aliases and show just how many different people he has posed as.

As for me, I had zero aliases,although Whooter accused me of "dozens of aliases."  Psy made a mistake updating the database and rolled up my wife's named account (now extinctified by accident) and her 2,700+ posts into mine because we have the same IP address.  Psy will verify this.  He also apologized to me and lamented he could not revert the DB to fix it and offered to do it post-by-post but I told him that wasn't necessary and not to worry about it.  He also rolled up two coworkers that post here through our corporate default gateway to the tune of another 500-600 posts.  They are not happy, but will live.

So, when all is said and done, Whooter had over 4,000 anon troll posts and I had 14.

Whooter has seven confirmed aliases so far and I have none.

That ends this transmission...