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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
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This was published in the NY TIMES. I strongly urge those of you who have something to say, to contact the Board of Regents, Mayor Bloomberg, or anyone else who would be interested in the at Hyde School as well as the lack of education.
Where is the proof that Hyde is successful? There are not any accurate statistics that I know of that are truthful coming from the Hyde camp.
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By ELISSA GOOTMAN (NYT) 605 words
Published: January 10, 2006
The Board of Regents subcommittee that handles charter school applications approved four new charter schools for New York City yesterday. But it shut out two would-be school operators, including Ninfa Segarra, a former president of the New York City Board of Education who was also a deputy mayor under Rudolph W. Giuliani.
The charters, which the full board is scheduled to give final approval today, are the last the Regents can authorize under a state law capping the number of charter schools at 100 statewide.
Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein, who calls charter schools central to his mission of overhauling the city school system, had given his blessing to six charter schools. But because of the cap, which Mr. Klein and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg oppose, the Regents can pick only four.
At the meeting yesterday, the Regents subcommittee followed recommendations by the State Education Department in deciding which of the six schools to select.
The four that were chosen included the International Leadership Charter School, a high school in the Bronx that will require students to study two foreign languages; and the Achievement First Endeavor Charter School in Brooklyn, which would be the third New York school run by a nonprofit group that started creating charters in New Haven.
A third, the Ross Global Academy Charter School planned for Lower Manhattan, will be modeled after the Ross School in East Hampton, N.Y., which was founded by Courtney Sale Ross, the widow of the Time Warner chairman Steven J. Ross. And the fourth, the Hyde Leadership Charter School in northern Manhattan, according to its application, will eventually serve 904 students.
Stephen m0re110, a spokesman for Chancellor Klein, said that all six of the charter schools had been worthy of opening. ''We are delighted that New York City students will have four more charter schools from which to choose and extremely disappointed that they will not have six,'' Mr. m0re110 said.
He said the rejection of two ''points out the absurdity of the cap.''
Ms. Segarra, who worked on Mayor Bloomberg's campaign in the recent election, had proposed the Lower East Side Charter School for Leadership Excellence. It was a middle school that its application said would combine a ''demanding liberal arts education'' with ''character development, ethical values and leadership skills.''
Ms. Segarra did not return telephone calls seeking comment. State evaluators raised questions with her proposed curriculum and fiscal plan.
The other charter school rejected was the Riverview Lighthouse Charter School, which was to be in the Bronx, running through the seventh grade. The evaluators said that another charter school in the Bronx run by the same group had not yet proved effective.
Mr. Klein and Mr. Bloomberg not only want the limit on charter schools lifted, but also want the mayor to have the authority to approve the schools himself, without seeking clearance from the state.
The state charter law allowed 50 schools to be authorized by the Regents and 50 by the State University of New York trustees, which will dole out its remaining four charters at a meeting in two weeks.
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Before you go bonkers and damn the Hyde Leadership school. Check out the success of their DC school. It's a TOTALLY different animal than the boarding schools.
The whole "troubled teen" piece that everyone is bitching about on this site has NOTHING to do with the charter schools. These kids are normal inner city high school kids that want a chance to become both educated and people of character. They live at home and their parents become involved in the school and their kids lives. The DC school has sent all their seniors to four year colleges on full scholarships. For many, they're the first person in their family to finish high school, let alone go to college.
The public education system keeps a sharp eye on the academics, thus making sure the student receives a well rounded education.
The kids that always do really well at the Hyde boarding schools are the inner city scholarship kids, these schools are full of them!
Again, I repeat, the Charter Hyde Schools are VERY different from the boarding campuses! So save your energy for damning Woodstock and Bath!!!
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Hyde's Mission Statement and Belief Statements
Mission Statement
Hyde School is a community that develops socially responsible leaders while transforming public education. We accomplish these goals through character development, academic rigor, and family renewal.
Belief Statements
We believe that all people have an inherent worth and dignity and a unique potential that defines a destiny.
We believe that Leadership means asking the best of ourselves and others, and therefore all people have the potential for leadership.
We believe that socially responsible leaders understand that inherent interdependence of the human experience, that we are all accountable to and for others, that we are our Brother's Keeper.
We believe that leaders in the 21st century must have both the intellectual skills and the strength of character to make informed and ethical decisions.
We believe that we achieve our best, and discover our unique potentials, by developing character and conscience.
We believe that if we focus on character first in all our programs, then achievement in academics and other areas will naturally follow, as students will learn the discipline of going after their best.
We believe in the action-reflection model of growth, that we put people in challenging situations and help them to reflect on their decisions and obstacles.
We believe we must focus on truth over harmony and in using truth as our primary guide in making decisions.
We believe that public education can be transformed by making the development of character a primary function of school and emphasizing attitude over aptitude, effort over ability, and character over talent.
We believe that parents are the primary teachers and the home is the primary classroom.
We believe that we can not teach character directly, but that parents and teachers must inspire it and model it by being full participants in our character development process.
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On 2006-01-23 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde's Mission Statement and Belief Statements
Mission Statement
Hyde School is a community that develops socially responsible leaders while transforming public education. We accomplish these goals through character development, academic rigor, and family renewal.
Belief Statements
We believe that all people have an inherent worth and dignity and a unique potential that defines a destiny.
We believe that Leadership means asking the best of ourselves and others, and therefore all people have the potential for leadership.
We believe that socially responsible leaders understand that inherent interdependence of the human experience, that we are all accountable to and for others, that we are our Brother's Keeper.
We believe that leaders in the 21st century must have both the intellectual skills and the strength of character to make informed and ethical decisions.
We believe that we achieve our best, and discover our unique potentials, by developing character and conscience.
We believe that if we focus on character first in all our programs, then achievement in academics and other areas will naturally follow, as students will learn the discipline of going after their best.
We believe in the action-reflection model of growth, that we put people in challenging situations and help them to reflect on their decisions and obstacles.
We believe we must focus on truth over harmony and in using truth as our primary guide in making decisions.
We believe that public education can be transformed by making the development of character a primary function of school and emphasizing attitude over aptitude, effort over ability, and character over talent.
We believe that parents are the primary teachers and the home is the primary classroom.
We believe that we can not teach character directly, but that parents and teachers must inspire it and model it by being full participants in our character development process.
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I believe the "mission statement" is fantastic! Problem is that the boarding schools do NOT adhere to these statements and the worst offenders are the staff and owners who are a part of the school.
Another "poster" stated that the charter schools are not at all like the boarding schools. This is encouraging and I truly hope it is true, because the boarding schools are not only dangerous, they are harmful to the majority of the kids who go there. It is hard to believe that the same people who have harmed the kids at the boarding school, could be helping the kids at the Charter Schools. I hope this poster is right, but I would like to see statistics, not just on how many kids are "accepted" to colleges, but how many attend and are still there after the first year!
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This is the Charter School Mission statement
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On 2006-01-24 05:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is the Charter School Mission statement
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Yeah, and there are all kinds of statements that the boarding school presents to the public too and it does not mean a thing! Talk is cheap, but Hyde in my opinion is completely dishonest and disingenuous! All that I want you to do is go back and look at these many posts that talk about staff being drunk, staff having sex with students, staff abusing students, administrators not taking action on abusive and illegal happenings at the school, etc, etc. Hyde talks a good line!
The question is how can the charter schools be so completely different from the boarding schools when they are run by the same Cult Like Administrators? Sorry, but I still have great concerns!! We need to write to NYC Board of Regents and make them aware of the mind set of the administrators at Hyde.
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ALL that inuendo you just spewed is bunk!
There have been a few staff issues, just like at any school, but, show me the facts of any of those so-called staff transgressions...you can't.
The reason the boarding schools are struggling is not the staff. it's the kids the school has to take. The students at the charter schools WANT to be there. The majority of the students at the boarding schools are troubled, screw-ups and would leave in a second if given the chance. In the 60's, 70's and early 80's, the majority of the kids wanted to be at the baording schools and Hyde had the same effect they're having on these public school inner city kids. As I've said 4 or 5 times before on this site...people like Tommy were the minority when they went to Hyde in the 70's....now the school is filled with Tommy's..fuck up kids that want to be anywhere else other than Hyde School.
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And before you damn the charter school, why don't you go pay a visit to DC...
It will change your life!
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On 2006-01-24 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ALL that inuendo you just spewed is bunk!
There have been a few staff issues, just like at any school, but, show me the facts of any of those so-called staff transgressions...you can't.
The reason the boarding schools are struggling is not the staff. it's the kids the school has to take. The students at the charter schools WANT to be there. The majority of the students at the boarding schools are troubled, screw-ups and would leave in a second if given the chance. In the 60's, 70's and early 80's, the majority of the kids wanted to be at the baording schools and Hyde had the same effect they're having on these public school inner city kids. As I've said 4 or 5 times before on this site...people like Tommy were the minority when they went to Hyde in the 70's....now the school is filled with Tommy's..fuck up kids that want to be anywhere else other than Hyde School."
I don't know anything about the Hyde charter (non-boarding) schools. But my ongoing, extensive involvement with Hyde boarding school people convinces me, without question, that you're right about the fact that the vast majority of current boarding students are kids who have had major trouble elsewhere, don't want to be at Hyde, and Hyde isn't equipped to deal with the boat-load of psychiatric, behavioral, and substance abuse issues that these students bring with them. The boarding schools shouldn't be allowed to accept these students; it's a crime. Perhaps the charter schools are different; I just don't know enough about them.
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On 2006-01-24 12:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ALL that inuendo you just spewed is bunk!
There have been a few staff issues, just like at any school, but, show me the facts of any of those so-called staff transgressions...you can't.
The reason the boarding schools are struggling is not the staff. it's the kids the school has to take. The students at the charter schools WANT to be there. The majority of the students at the boarding schools are troubled, screw-ups and would leave in a second if given the chance. In the 60's, 70's and early 80's, the majority of the kids wanted to be at the baording schools and Hyde had the same effect they're having on these public school inner city kids. As I've said 4 or 5 times before on this site...people like Tommy were the minority when they went to Hyde in the 70's....now the school is filled with Tommy's..fuck up kids that want to be anywhere else other than Hyde School."
I don't know anything about the Hyde charter (non-boarding) schools. But my ongoing, extensive involvement with Hyde boarding school people convinces me, without question, that you're right about the fact that the vast majority of current boarding students are kids who have had major trouble elsewhere, don't want to be at Hyde, and Hyde isn't equipped to deal with the boat-load of psychiatric, behavioral, and substance abuse issues that these students bring with them. The boarding schools shouldn't be allowed to accept these students; it's a crime. Perhaps the charter schools are different; I just don't know enough about them."
Hyde boarding schools also shouldn't accept normal kids who simply have motivational problems or low self esteem because you are then putting your child in with these "boat loads of kids with psychiatric, behavioral and substance abuse issues." This is very harmful to a child and can influence them in a very negative way.
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I am a former Hyde student, I lived there for two years in the early eighties, and I did not graduate with a Hyde diploma but received a high school degree.
I wasn't "troubled, drug abusing, or one step away from jail" when I enrolled and I didn't want to go, but I was very unhappy at home and my folks made me go to Hyde. I had been attending a public school that allowed me to hide in the corner and none of the faculty pushed me to achieve or challenged me in any way. I didn't participate in any extracurricular activities. Hyde made me participate in athletics, theatre, and those experiences made me a much better person. In fact I have had a life long participation in club sports and am now coaching High school athletes because I learned what team sports are really about while at Hyde.
My experience wasn't perfect and I still wish I had done some things differently while I was there, but I am a much, much better person now because of my time at Hyde school.
The people who are posting messages here should sign your name to your statements. I have a really difficult time accepting what people say anonymously. To make statements such as I am reading here on this message board, and not be willing to say who you are is cowardly.
State your name and your history at or with the school so people can judge your statements and evaluate the accuracy of those statements based upon the writers' prejudices.
Stephen Long
Hyde School Student 1980/81
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On 2006-01-25 09:37:00, StephenLong wrote:
"I am a former Hyde student, I lived there for two years in the early eighties, and I did not graduate with a Hyde diploma but received a high school degree.
I wasn't "troubled, drug abusing, or one step away from jail" when I enrolled and I didn't want to go, but I was very unhappy at home and my folks made me go to Hyde. I had been attending a public school that allowed me to hide in the corner and none of the faculty pushed me to achieve or challenged me in any way. I didn't participate in any extracurricular activities. Hyde made me participate in athletics, theatre, and those experiences made me a much better person. In fact I have had a life long participation in club sports and am now coaching High school athletes because I learned what team sports are really about while at Hyde.
My experience wasn't perfect and I still wish I had done some things differently while I was there, but I am a much, much better person now because of my time at Hyde school.
The people who are posting messages here should sign your name to your statements. I have a really difficult time accepting what people say anonymously. To make statements such as I am reading here on this message board, and not be willing to say who you are is cowardly.
State your name and your history at or with the school so people can judge your statements and evaluate the accuracy of those statements based upon the writers' prejudices.
Stephen Long
Hyde School Student 1980/81
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I am glad to hear that you had a positive Hyde experience. Unfortunately, many students don't, as this website demonstrates. The Hyde student body seems to have changed considerably since you were there. The school now enrolls significant numbers of kids with major mental health, substance abuse, and behavioral issues. Many of us question the school's ability to meet the needs of those students.
I understand you want all of us to post our identity. For me there's a simple explanation for my anonymity: I've heard too many stories about kids at Hyde being harrassed when their parents speak out against Hyde or challenge the school's administrators. That's not a risk I'm willing to take at this point; I have lots of reasons not to trust Hyde. I have to balance my concerns about possible mistreatment with my strong belief that people who are considering Hyde need to see these postings. I understand full disclosure would be preferable; I may do that later, but I can't take that risk now. In the meantime, I would encourage anyone who reads these posts to ask hard questions of Hyde staff, talk with parents of current/former students, assess the parents' credibility, and decide whether Hyde makes sense for their child. In my humble opinion, sending a child to Hyde is a serious risk in many, if not most, instances. I have little confidence in the school's ability to meet the needs of significant numbers of its students.
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You must be kidding? Post my name and go on 2-4 because I have a "bad attitude?" No thank you! Joe Gauld will be waving his finger in my face this weekend if I post who I am.
No doubt some kids have a good experience at Hyde. I have some friends who would rather be here then home because there is so much turmoil in their homes due to divorce, wife abuse, and other reasons. I also have seen some kids and parents who become addicted to the school like a Cult because it gives them a sense of security having someone else tell them how to behave and run their lives. In my estimation most of the people who praise Hyde are much more screwed up then the ones who are smart enough to get out! Sorry, just my opinion!
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Oh get over it, pussy. Hyde is a fucking cake walk.
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On 2006-01-27 17:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh get over it, pussy. Hyde is a fucking cake walk."
I find it interesting the type of student/ parent defending Hyde speaks like the above person. I think it is very important to notice the type of "character building" Hyde does at it's schools. This person is a great example of it. Truth be told, more times than none once a student leaves Hyde, they go back to the same person they were before they enrolled at Hyde. I have seen this over and over again. This is not to say that some people don't turn their lives around at Hyde, but my belief is this comes with age and maturity, not Hyde.
Hyde's model is great, but in my opinion their schools are failures. If you put any child in a very structure environment, you will see a change in behavior, but this is temporary.
It would be nice to see the true statistics from Hyde. I don't think we ever will.
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Cry about it ::mecry:: :lol:
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On 2006-01-28 06:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-27 17:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh get over it, pussy. Hyde is a fucking cake walk."
I find it interesting the type of student/ parent defending Hyde speaks like the above person. I think it is very important to notice the type of "character building" Hyde does at it's schools. This person is a great example of it. Truth be told, more times than none once a student leaves Hyde, they go back to the same person they were before they enrolled at Hyde. I have seen this over and over again. This is not to say that some people don't turn their lives around at Hyde, but my belief is this comes with age and maturity, not Hyde.
Hyde's model is great, but in my opinion their schools are failures. If you put any child in a very structure environment, you will see a change in behavior, but this is temporary.
It would be nice to see the true statistics from Hyde. I don't think we ever will. "
Very nicely said. I agree and think that many others will agree also!