Fornits
General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Matt C. Hoffman on May 30, 2010, 02:00:38 AM
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Look I asked you to not contact me ever again Bennison , therefore I would expect you to not to do so .I deleted the pm you sent me bury hatchet . This is now the third time I am asking nicely .Or I will consider it cyber stalking and will have to take the aproppeate action.
Don't flatter yourself in thinking that you hurt me , you didn't, you tried to though and that fact alone is why I want no contact with you what so ever.
You did however make me relive the nightmares of elan: when I had to sleep with the lights on in the common area ,with the two P.O.s and the baseball bat with the instructions that they were to beat me to death if I even gave them a hint that I was going to split (straight from krugliks lips ). Yeah you helped me relive those ungodly nightmares , complete with panic attacks and they were intense I'll give you that , like electric currents coursing through out my body . One right after the other.
Funny thing though you weren't there when all this stuff went down(at my house in elan)
but you know those nightmares went away and the panic attacks went away, a couple of days after your attacks . Therefore no you didn't hurt me , you tried to though and thats the crux of the buscuit .Funny thing is you kept attacking like you hadn't done enough damage . I just ignore your crap why respond to a sick person.
The fact that you tried to hurt me and the way you did it ,half truths ,gossip and hearsay was all that I needed to realize that you are not someone that I could ever trust. And besides you stupidly issued me a threat on line of all places, I don't care what you say about it, I felt that it was a threat , I percieved it as a threat and that is what counts.
You could have told me the truth about your assistant directorship and your real involvement in elan when we had spoken. You chose not to. I did not know until you posted on facebook your assistant director job manifesto.
I did not know until then.
Hell I did not know you in the program even though it appears that our time overlapped. I was there 11 months or so before you got there , but I never met you .
It had nothing to do with loosing face or such nonsense , if you had told me the truth , sure I might not have talked with you as much , but I would have seen you as honest.
I have many friends on fornits. They are my friends because they have earned my trust and respect , and I have earned theirs. I value their friendship, respect and trust . It is something that I don't take lightly , I would never try to hurt them, and you know they know it . They have also known me for over nine years.
There really is nothing to forgive , as a human being you really shouldn't have done what you did to me anyways.
Again please do not contact me again, I want nothing from you or to do with you ..... I know what you are and
I see how you are .....
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Edited upon request
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Matt:
Rock on dude, good luck working this out.
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Let's not forget that Danny was an ASSISTANT DIRECTOR at ELAN.
Here is a liitle story from around his time so you can "Taste" it.
Just a little reminder for his sanctimonious ass.(excuse my spelling disorder)
http://www.bykevingray.com/stories/stor ... badcompany (http://www.bykevingray.com/stories/story.php?page=culture/badcompany)
Bad Company
Once upon a time, when a very different Lord of the Flies haunted the classroom.
On a February morning in 1979, deep in the piney woods of Maine, 20-year-old Liz Arnold watched as a houseful of teens berated a weeping girl who'd just wet her pants. The girl's name was Kim. She was 17. Moments before, she'd been spanked with a paddle in front of the 100 fellow delinquents and drug addicts—more than two thirds of them men—who made up the student body of the Elan School, a therapeutic community of last resort that, during its seventies heyday, may have been something far from therapeutic.
As the residents surged over the scuffed linoleum of the dining room, knocking over metal chairs, Kim curled into a ball. "You fucking bitch, fucking whore, fucking fuck-up!” Kim was enduring a "learning experience." She'd mouthed off to the school's senior residents, and at Elan in the seventies, this was the response. But the lesson was getting out of hand. "[We] were whipped into a mob," says Arnold, an ex-speed addict who'd arrived at Elan in 1978 after a phony suicide attempt forced her affluent Ridgewood, New Jersey, parents to seek professional help. "It was brainwashing. People like Kim were gonna be junkies or hookers if we didn't make them get their shit together." Arnold soon added her voice to the eardrum-breaking sound of 100 young adults caught up in the adrenaline rush of anger. To an outsider, it must have looked like madness, a Lord of the Flies outpost with castaways who were regularly dressed in tinfoil, diapers, and "hooker" skirts. Some had signs around their necks that read: I’M AN EMOTIONAL VAMPIRE or ASK ME WHY I’M A BABY or CONFRONT ME AS TO WHY I’M A WHORE. All were red with rage. "Kim," Arnold recalls, "was semi-catatonic."
No one can say what became of Kim after she left Elan five months later. But her story, and dozens like it, continues to haunt many former students. Some three decades later, there is a growing chorus of voices waking as if from a bad dream. Many say they were paddled; others say they were put into boxing rings, chained to chairs, restrained in straight jackets, all in the name of “personal growth.”
For 31 years, Elan—which remains open to 184 residents at $44,596 a year for a two-year program—has been among the most controversial of the nation’s residential therapeutic communities. Though the school no longer employs such Draconian methods, its administrators claim that the behavior modification they practiced was the only effective way to salvage delinquents. The approach—tearing down destructive character traits through relentless peer pressure—has even been praised by several parents and by some of the psychologists who treated the students; a number of former residents claim to have found emotional and mental calm through Elan’s rigidity.
But many Elan survivors say they’ve suffered lasting psychological scars. In 1975, deep in the heart of the flower-power, bell-bottomed sexual revolution, a team of investigators from the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services accused the school of abusing the eleven Illinois residents in its charge. After removing them, the team issued a report detailing “an atmosphere of pervasive fear and suspicion,” in which residents become “automatons.” The report charged Elan with starving its children, forcing them into useless labor, handcuffing them to chairs. Elan’s practices, it concluded, “violate…civil rights and liberties and deprive…children of their self-respect and dignity.” Another 1975 inquiry, by the Massachusetts Department of Youth Services, noted that residents were subjected to “severe humiliation” as well as “painful” punishments, including putting “bullies” in boxing rings to fight other residents (in one case, the bully was a pregnant girl).
Despite the charges (which were later disputed by Maine’s Department of Human Services), the attention eventually faded. And no one looked very closely into what happened to the young men and women of Elan for nearly a quarter century.
Now Elan is once again under scrutiny, this time thanks to activity surrounding the school’s most high-profile alumnus; a former teen preppy from Greenwich, Connecticut, named Michael Skakel.
Skakel, a nephew of Ehtel Kennedy’s, is charged, as the tabloids have repeatedly trumpeted, with the 1975 Halloween Eve murder of his neighbor Martha Moxley, who was found bludgeoned and stabbed with a golf club on her family’s estate. Skakel was 15.
Last year, Connecticut prosecutors filed charges after two former Elan residents told a grand jury that Skakel, now 41, confessed to the killing in 1978, when he was a resident at the school. Skakel enrolled at Elan as a 19-year-old alcoholic and spent two years dying out (he’d later call the place a “concentration camp for kids”). A fellow resident claims to have heard him brag: “I am going to get away with murder. I’m a Kennedy.”
It turns out the Kennedy name didn’t help much at this very undemocratic enclave: According to a classmate, Kennedy was pummeled in the boxing ring and forced to wear a degrading five-foot dunce cap and model a sign that read I AM AN ARROGANT, RICH BRAT. CONFRONT ME ON WHY I KILLED MY FRIEND MARTHA. Skakel’s attorney has said that any alleged admissions at the school were simply attempts to avoid more abuse.
In an effort to look back at the three decades of similar practices, Details talked to more than 30 former residents and staff members, as well as several adolescent therapists. Oddly enough, Elan opened amid the peace and understanding of the seventies counterculture. But left to its own devices, the school became and emotional cauldron of peer pressure and humiliation, scorching some of the very souls it was meant to save.
Route 26 is a two-lane highway that winds from the town of Gray, nineteen miles northeast of Portland, to the fire roads of Polan Spring, home to America’s favorite bottled water. The drive takes you past car-repair shops, plastic deer on tidy lawns, and swimming holes abandoned by tourists on this warm September day.
The Elan campus is a cluster of cream-colored cabins and trailers set on 33 acres of lakeside forest. On a picnic table, four teens chat with happy intensity. The place seems otherwise deserted. It’s a pleasant picture, making what once transpired here all the more unbelievable.
Elan was conceived in 1971 by Joe Ricci, a former addict and petty criminal from Port Chester, New York, and Gerald Davidson, a Boston psychiatrist. The pair set out, with one house and thirteen residents, to create a moneymaking venture; their small operation would grow into a multimillion dollar business with 100 staff members, fifteen buildings, and 184 residents from 26 states and three foreign countries.
More than anything, Elan was forged by Ricci’s swaggering charisma.
Raised by blue-collar grandparents just 32 miles outside New York City, Ricci was hooked on heroin by 15 (thanks to a car accident that started him up the painkiller ladder); he was busted for robbing a mail truck at 18. A judge gave him an ultimatum: seven years in federal prison, or time at the residential rehabilitation facility of Daytop Village in New Haven, Connecticut. Ricci chose rehab.
At Daytop, Ricci ran smack into a boot-camp-style commune. There was a rigid chain of command, menial jobs, and placards on addicts describing their faults, a device Daytop had adopted from California’s Synanon, the granddaddy of all therapeutic communities. The goal was sel-discipline combined with the grueling reshaping of personality through fierce confrontations. The emphasis was on pain.
At the time, corrections officials across the nation—with the blessing of sociologists—had begin to question conventional rehab, turning instead to hard-core therapeutic communities. These programs seemed to accomplish what few others could: a profound change in outlook and behavior that allowed hopeless junkies to begin their lives anew. With a surge of government money, they sprouted across the country, many of them run by Synanon graduates.
Ricci became convinced that such programs would make him rich. But it wasn't until he met Davidson, a psychiatrist and Harvard lecturer, that he found his true calling: his own full-blown therapeutic community, where he could implement his particular brand of in-your-face psychotherapy. The Elan School opened for business on May 30, 1971.
Ricci was soon ministering to the nation's hardest of hard-luck cases (many of whom were provided for with state money), addicts and criminals who'd bounced from jails to group homes to hospitals to rehab and back again. Alongside these felons, Ricci welcomed refugees from America's affluent suburbs—kids whose social rebellion had led them from Hendrix to heroin. Youngsters from Harlem slums worked out their pain with the children of CEOs from Chicago's wealthy North Shore. After the first year, Elan had 40 residents. Ricci was soon presiding over a student body in which residents were regularly shouted down by dozens of their peers. "I've never seen a sponge like you." "You've been a parasite all your life." Meanwhile, Ricci dug into the emotional core of his targets. "If you didn't come here, you'd be in a mental institution," he would growl. "People weren't put on earth to accommodate you."
"Joe was a Doberman," says Everett Dulit, emeritus professor of psychiatry at New York's Albert Einstein College of Medicine, who referred several Elan patients in the seventies.
"He'd say, 'Now, you listen to what I'm going to tell you, asshole. Because it's gonna save your worthless piece-of-shit life.'"
"Joe was very challenging in groups," adds Stuart Berry, who entered Elan as a 20-year-old junkie on opening day and became its first graduate in 1972; he briefly became a therapeutic director the following year. "There were some pretty bad guys; he needed them to understand their facade wasn't working."
Berry was a typical Elan elite: white, middle-class, and strung out from "living on the lunatic fringe" of the sixties. A grandson of a Cape Cod pharmacist, he'd found his way into Grandpa's medicine locker after a book on the Hell's Angels triggered his curiosity. Drugs turned out to be a great chaser for youthful alienation.
But as Berry soon learned, Ricci had his own cure for apathy. It began with hard work and peer pressure, using the strict hierarchy of a military outfit. Newcomers toiled on kitchen and grounds crews, working their way through the ranks, from "ram- rods" (crew foremen) to department heads to expeditors (who acted as a secret police that "booked incidents" of bad behavior on notepads), and, finally, coordinators, who were charged with overseeing such house activities as group therapy.
"The goal was responsible citizenship," says Dulit, who remains committed to such tactics. "It's fighting fire with fire. These are people who have caused enormous trouble in their lives. And I think people who tiptoe around these adolescents are wimps. You need a powerhouse to fight a powerhouse. And Joe was that model for me."
If a resident disobeyed an order, or if he failed to "relate" his feelings on a regular basis, punishment could come in the form of a "haircut." At Daytop, this meant shaving one's head in atonement. At Elan, it became a verbal firing squad.
Ken Zaretzky was Elan's 22nd resident. He was 15. He'd come from swank Highland Park, Illinois, hooked on heroin. Though the program set him straight, he has many complaints about Elan's tactics—including the time he was accused of stealing cigarettes. The punishment for such a crime? A "general meeting," the highest form of retribution, in which, he says, he was forced to eat four packs of cigarettes—coated with ketchup—in front of the entire house, until he got sick.
"Things could be out-and-out abusive," Zaretzky recalls. Now 45, he owns a suburban Chicago software company and runs a Web site, ElanAlum.com, where former Elan residents (and their parents) compare experiences. "They were nuts from time to time," says Zaretsky. Stuart Berry claims the kids' value as dollar signs outweighed any cause for concern. "Joe was accepting them because of the money," he says.
When Ricci began ordering quarrelsome residents to dig pointless ditches and created a boxing ring as a learning tool for bullies, Berry was appalled. Students were suited up with headgear and sixteen-ounce gloves. Then the entire house would form a human ring as the bully was forced to duke it out with four or five people in a row, until defeated. "There would be blood, there would be crying, there would be cheering," says Cindy Rob-bins, a suburban-Chicago runaway and chronic truant who entered Elan in 1982, at the age of 16. "A lot of people were just afraid. But it's not like you could step in and stop it. You'd be punished."
"I didn't like that at all," says Berry of Ricci's ring. "But at this point, Joe was out of tricks. Sometimes I think he did it for his own amusement."
As the years progressed, Joe Riccibecame a millionaire, a larger-than-life evangelist who'd strut through Elan in a leather coat, fedora, and aviator sunglasses, his silver Mercedes parked out front. "He called himself the god of therapy," recalls Liz Arnold. "But he looked like a pimp. He was cocky as hell."
As Ricci's demeanor became more eccentric, so too did the tenor of his therapies. Promiscuous young women (even kissing is not permitted at Elan) were tarted up in hooker costumes with garish makeup and forced to carry poles with signs that said 42nd street. Their male counterparts were dressed like hustlers. A person who acted like a child would be put in diapers and given a rattle. If you "reacted" negatively, you were encased in a tinfoil box with nuclear-reactor symbols and red buttons. One guy, caught peering into the women's dorm, was forced to wear a Peeping Tom raincoat.
The physical punishments also took on a more severe character. In between the paddling and the boxing ring, says Harry Kranick, who entered Elan at 16 in 1977 with a taste for Quaaludes—and mourning the recent death of his father—"[residents] were thrown into a cold shower. When they came out, they were spanked again. This went on for days." Kranick himself—who says the program straightened him out, though he remains bitter about its tactics—was the target of humiliating punishments. After the Elan football team lost several games against local high-school rivals, Ricci screamed at them "for being a bunch of pussies," recalls Kranick. "And I said, 'You know something, Joe, we're not here to play football. We're here to get our shit together.' He made us sleep naked in the dorm, guarded by guys with bats. I had to wear a sign around the house that said I’m a pussy and I can't express my feelings." But that wasn't the worst for Kranick, a witness in the Skakel case. After getting belligerent with a senior resident one day, Kranick says, he was stripped to his underwear, forced to put on a diaper "made of a nasty rag," and ordered to climb into a Dumpster and clean it with a spoon and a toothbrush. The task took two days. When investigators from the Massachusetts Department of Youth Services made their visit in 1975, they were horrified by what they found. Jerry Docherty, a member of the team, says Elan's "born-again" philosophy was well-meaning, but that he had doubts about any positive effects. "You're reinforcing negative behavior with negative behavior," says Docherty. "I had real problems with that."
Ironically, the 1975 state investigations at Elan— and the later exoneration by Maine health officials who ruled that its therapy was "innovative, appropriate, and beneficial"—only emboldened Ricci, says Zaretzky, who claims to have helped cover up practices during the Illinois review process.
"We lied through our teeth," says Zaretzky, a five-year Elan vet who started out as a resident and became a therapeutic director by the time he was 20. "That was my family. And my family was under attack. But everything the investigators said was true. That should have been a warning to mellow out. But we let it get worse." Zaretzky believes Elan's practices violated residents' civil rights—especially when they ran away and were hunted down. "We'd break into shooting galleries in the Boston slums, places where our guys had run off," he says. "We'd just grab them and say, Anybody that wants to fuck with us, you're welcome to.'"
By 1975, Elan's Gerry Davidson, the program's psychiatric director and co-founder, had begun accepting "full-blown" mentally ill patients, says Zaretzky. One of the biggest indignities newer residents suffered was the "electric sauce." Rumored to have contained feces, it was a simple goo, says Zaretzky, of kitchen trash, syrup, mustard, and ketchup. Upon being coated in sauce, some residents would scream, rip off their clothes, and lash out at counselors and fellow residents.
"We could not deal with these people," Zaretzky explains. "[They] should have been in a nice, warm hospital. We were absolutely not equipped."
Last January, Elan founder Joe Ricci died of lung cancer. He was 54. During his entire, 31-year tenure, Ricci had vehemently defended his practices (Elan claims that 80 percent of its graduates go on to college, though the school does not follow up on alumni academic success thereafter). Ricci also denied that Skakel ever confessed to the Moxley killing. Current school administrators, still reeling from his death, refused to comment.
Though Ricci can no longer defend his school, understanding what drove him may explain what took place there. Over the years, as residents swapped stories of abuse, Elan, with its autocratic leader and his demand for complete devotion, has drawn comparisons to cults—such as the People's Temple and the Unification Church—with Ricci standing in for Kool-Aid shillers like Jim Jones. "The group process was very powerful," says Professor Dulit, "and in some respects, very cultlike."
Ricci's rigid insistence on absolute faith in his tenets seems to have created an army of true believers. But instead of producing believers, says Daytop co-creator David Deitch, now a professor of clinical psychiatry at the University of California, San Diego, Ricci may have been turning out "closet fascists." Elan, it seems, empowered aggressive young men—and women—to crush the weak and fragile. Its residents learned to crave that power; many became emotional despots.
"You run the risk of training sociopaths," says Dulit. "They're people who operate just this side of legal. The other person never counts for much unless he can be used or exploited."
Over the years, say former Elan staff members and residents, Ricci himself became cruel and vicious—and he freed others to do the same. "It all got crazy," says Berry of the early seventies. "He'd unleash this rage on someone in a meeting for hours." An Elan consultant, Marvin Schwarz, now chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Glen Oaks Hospital in Illinois (and a Harvard classmate of Davidson's), referred more than 100 adolescent patients to the school. But by the decade's end, he says, "the tactics were destructive rather than therapeutic," with the school's infamous haircuts little more than "symbolic castrations—and these were sick kids." He later quit in protest.
By the early eighties, several former residents claim, Ricci was getting drunk and smoking pot regularly. Though never proved, this tainted the program's credibility and made residents cynical. One day, in 1984, the internal attitude was so bad (by this time, Ricci had bought the state's largest harness racetrack, Scarborough Downs; he would later suffer two unsuccessful runs for governor) that several Elan staff members were busted to entry-level positions. Ricci sauntered in, says Ben Foster, a former truant and suburban "burnout" who was 15 at the time, and delivered a hypocritical soliloquy. "I'm going to go home, pour a nice glass of wine, and smoke a joint," he told a general meeting. "And you're all going to be here scrubbing floors."
In 1987, a woman named Bethany Berry claimed that she'd suffered sleep-and food-deprivation as well as assault as an Elan resident between the ages of 16 and 18. She later filed a lawsuit against the school, Ricci, and the state of Maine, charging abuse (it was eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed sum). No other former residents who spoke to Details say they have any interest in suing; most only want to put their toxic memories behind them. "They wasted two years of our lives," says Barrie Hughes, who entered Elan in 1983 at 14 after her mother placed her in a psychiatric hospital. "That pisses me off. But it's done."
Former residents wouldn't have much recourse if they changed their minds anyway: The Maine statute of limitations for physical or emotional abuse expires after six years, a term that begins for minors on their 18th birthday.
Nevertheless, wary perhaps of such lawsuits, Elan has changed many of its practices over the years. The school no longer forces its residents to wear humiliating signs. There are no more spankings. And the boxing ring hasn't been used in over a year, stopping, coincidentally, when the Skakel media coverage was at its height. (General meetings are still held here on occasion, as Elan's attorney, John Campbell, told Details in a brief letter, "when a student has not been responsive to other learning experiences.")
Meanwhile, the harsh glare that came with the Skakel case may be fading. A critical witness, Gregory Coleman, one of two former residents who claimed to have heard the alleged confession, died of a heroin overdose in August, a development that has weakened the prosecution's case. As Details wentto press, Skakel's attorney was seeking to return the case to juvenile court, where, if convicted, the Kennedy cousin would likely face little or no jail time.
And back at the Elan School, safe in the woods, a new student body is learning how to get along.
Thank you Danny.....from the kids you drove to suicide with love :beat:
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You run the risk of training sociopaths. They're people who operate just this side of legal. The other person never counts for much unless he can be used or exploited.
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Matt,
I truly agree when someone requests there to be no contact I believe it is best others respect that. However, you and I both know some people just don't get it. They continue to harrass others in an amusing way. Just remember to consider the source.
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Matt,
I truly agree when someone requests there to be no contact I believe it is best others respect that. However, you and I both know some people just don't get it. They continue to harrass others in an amusing way. Just remember to consider the source.
Now that IS funny Sharon
Did you just come to that realization ? Where do you think this nonsense started ?
If you are gonna act like a lying,cheating,thief...then pretend to be someone else...
I am gonna call you on it
and the others are just laughing at you
I truly feel sorry for you
Must really suck to be that fucked up
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Ok, I'm just going to pile on here since this latest seems to fit an already established pattern.
I'm posting this up just in case anything funky actually happens to me. But also just cause I'm a little perplexed by a logical conundrum.
Ok, Danny, you're sharp enough to pick up on my precise meaning of that one quote of mine. And yet you haven't got down the simple logic of holding something back to back your demand?
1) You cop to being a sociopath
2) You demand that I keep secret whatever you say to me
3) You put me on notice that I've already made an enemy of you no matter what I do
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Where's my incentive to keep quiet?
And you wonder why I'm not falling all over myself trying to help you with a writing project???
Really??!
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So you don't get help with your project and you don't get my silence either. How could you miss that? Did the content of that article throw you so far off balance that all sense and reason went out the window? Or maybe you're after something else entirely? As no one can truly know the mind of another, the world may never know. But my pet theory is that the good doctor was spot on in at least that one observation and you demonstrate so very well the character and personality of the Program.
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wow
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One shot one kill Danny. One shot one kill. Steven Cho at the methadone clinic boom boom boom boom boom boom. ::unhappy::
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You run the risk of training sociopaths. They're people who operate just this side of legal. The other person never counts for much unless he can be used or exploited.
Ya know every once in a while it sure would be nice if Antigen had some balls and could own her shit but most closet bigots don't. They hide behind a crowd. David Duke comes to mind. I know I am not talking race here but the topic is close. Touch a topic or person that she regards as hers and well Metger Evans whistled and paid dearly. Noticed there is no one of color here, no coincidence.
Matt was touched and he stabbed and kidnapped someone and the consequences, I am now a sociopath who operates this side of legal, that has no other use for people. Why because you were in Bethesda Md. to here a story.
Well, Danny, you did so proudly proclaim, that Matt was nothing more then a tool for to use, who did not prove useful at this time, but perhap, in the future....
Also, it kinda amazes me, that you even said that, and then thought that perhaps, in the future, he will reconsider dealing with you. With an invitation like that, why would anyone want to deal with you.
" Hey Danny, can I be your tool for the day?"
and you probably are a sociopath. You often come off as one. This is, in the end, really all about you.
Why can t you behave? Why cant you mind your manners. When you do not get your way, you rant and rave, and you psycho-analyze the shit out of people, just as you asked me not to do to you.. But you do it very meanly.. You do it at the drop of a hat. You do it to people who do not deserve it.
This is exactly waht they did in TC's. When you don t get your way, it is due, as far as you are concerned, to lack of character of the other person. have you ever thought to slow down a bit... See things from the other person's perspective. Do you care what is real? or do you only care about winning?
Bigotry and blindness is a terrible calamity.
Oh..... Boy...... Preach on, man. Enlighten us..
I think your point is that Antigen is not being completly objective.. that she is being swayed by her own emotions.. I haven t followed non of this shit long enough, although I have tried to catch up, to know if that is true or not. I do know that this is her site, and if she really wants to, she can do whatever the fuck she wants. This is not America. This is fornits. One these boards, for better or worse, you have the rights that are granted you, and I must add that this site is the most liberal in this regard then any other that I have ever ever seen.
As far as this bigotry shit.. It's just overdoing it. I think that you lost yourelf in this line of thought, and just brought the readers along with you.
What did you think? That everyone would say ?
"Ginger, You Damned Non-Racist Bigot!!!!!!!!!"
You quote many of people I have noticed, this you "copy" is their story. "What is yours" their young one with so much judgment.
My lord.. enough with the age shit.. It is so tiresome.. You were pulling that age shit on me, every other response, before, I even stopped to think abolut your age.. not that your age would matter anyway.
I would like to repeat that again. Your age does not matter! It is a mute issue. Can you now lay it to rest, you old bastard!?! ;)
Are you willing to beat up everyone who doesn't agree with your bigoted story.
Wow. you re really going for this bigot thing, huh?
So, I am going to clear up another one of life's little reality's for you, son. Do you mind if I call ya son?
Having an opinion, or a point of veiw.. being on a side does not make you a bigot, or you could call every republican, and every democrat a bigot
and you are the one who beats up everyone who doesn t agree with you
Your family is not your problem, your judgments that have jaded you are. Possibly why you still alone fighting.
I have never liked phony fucking people, I'd rather rip their hearts out then let their hearts lie.
Danny, maybe.. just maybe.. It s not time for you to take on Elan. Maybe ya gotta deal with yourself. How can you be a spokesperson against the abuse of Elan, when you say things like this.. Look, I personally, am not the type to make a big deal out of nothing, but the argument could be made, if someone really wanted to, that that was an implied threat against Ginger.
Oh one more thing, this thread doesn't qualify as "DRAMA", eh......asshole.
Danny
Well, that's it for me man.. Please don t come back with no crazy attacks, because I will bust you up, right here on these boards. I don t want to, but I will.
and that message you wrote her.. who the fuck talks to somebody like that?
You told me that you have respect for all these people. Id hate to see how you act towards people that you do not respect.
I am gonna tell you something right now, and I stand by it. You are a bully.
Paul
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You run the risk of training sociopaths. They're people who operate just this side of legal. The other person never counts for much unless he can be used or exploited.
Ya know every once in a while it sure would be nice if Antigen had some balls and could own her shit but most closet bigots don't. They hide behind a crowd. David Duke comes to mind. I know I am not talking race here but the topic is close. Touch a topic or person that she regards as hers and well Metger Evans whistled and paid dearly. Noticed there is no one of color here, no coincidence.
Matt was touched and he stabbed and kidnapped someone and the consequences, I am now a sociopath who operates this side of legal, that has no other use for people. Why because you were in Bethesda Md. to here a story. Bigotry and blindness is a terrible calamity.
You quote many of people I have noticed, this you "copy" is their story. "What is yours" their young one with so much judgment. Are you willing to beat up everyone who doesn't agree with your bigoted story. Your family is not your problem, your judgments that have jaded you are. Possibly why you still alone fighting.
I have never liked phony fucking people, I'd rather rip their hearts out then let their hearts lie.
Oh one more thing, this thread doesn't qualify as "DRAMA", eh......asshole.
Danny
I guess I must be really dense, or something pretty similar, since it didn't come through for me that this quote was specifically intended for Danny. Perhaps 'cuz there were some additional private communications that I was not privvy to!
Personally, I think this observation could apply to a lot of people after they emerge from having the synapses of ordinary human kindness fucked over so thoroughly by a behavior modification program.
What *I* found so disturbing about the quote was that it's author, despite being fully aware of the potential for creating sociopaths, was nonetheless, just 8 years ago when the above article (http://http://www.bykevingray.com/stories/story.php?page=culture/badcompany) came out, and possibly even still, fully in support of Elan-type programs!
Here are all of Dulit's quotes from that article, emphases added:
- "Joe was a Doberman," says Everett Dulit, emeritus professor of psychiatry at New York's Albert Einstein College of Medicine, who referred several Elan patients in the seventies.
"He'd say, 'Now, you listen to what I'm going to tell you, asshole. Because it's gonna save your worthless piece-of-shit life.' "
- "The goal was responsible citizenship," says Dulit, who remains committed to such tactics. "It's fighting fire with fire. These are people who have caused enormous trouble in their lives. And I think people who tiptoe around these adolescents are wimps. You need a powerhouse to fight a powerhouse. And Joe was that model for me."
- Though Ricci can no longer defend his school, understanding what drove him may explain what took place there. Over the years, as residents swapped stories of abuse, Elan, with its autocratic leader and his demand for complete devotion, has drawn comparisons to cults—such as the People's Temple and the Unification Church—with Ricci standing in for Kool-Aid shillers like Jim Jones. "The group process was very powerful," says Professor Dulit, "and in some respects, very cultlike."
- "You run the risk of training sociopaths," says Dulit. "They're people who operate just this side of legal. The other person never counts for much unless he can be used or exploited."
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Danny actually suffers from bad hearing, because clearly the doctor said, "Danny, you are suffering from a serious case of Downs syndrome."
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I see you've taken time off from drooling on yourself and eating glue to grace us with your presence.
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I don't know wtf is happening here, but why not just stop talking to people you don't like and not engaging when asked? Don't contact me seems like a reasonable request whether the person is reasonable or not. Boundaries and all that. (A GOOD thing, although contrary to program teachings.) I do not know what started this latest quagmire but it does seem like a bottomless pit. No reason to drool or eat glue or contact people that hate your guts or whatever.
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- American beer bong - :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:
(http://http://bootiemashup.com/sf/gallery/images/D%20helps%20Jason%20beer-bong!.jpg)
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LMAO wow amazingly hilarous thread. Fornits the home of the fruits.
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Lill` John do me a favor take your vagina suit off that says, "Ginger" and put your penis back in its place...OK.
You are so out of the loop your running backwards.
Welcome to my hell I call fornits....lol. Read the posts I received the first day I was here.
Jeesh I have not even started yet Lill` John.
Danny
I guess this post is to me...
My name's Paul. Okay, so now that we have that coverred.. I m not so sure what is meant by this vagina suit. I never actualy wnet to Elan, or perhaps, I might have had to have worn a vagina suit. But... I use to talk to Ginger through Im's and such. See her, and a few other people here, I actually know and like, and they have earned my respect..
You I don t know, but I haven t been looking over your posting history a bit, and you attack the shit out of people all the time.
I know what it means that you haven t started here, but for a guy who hates this place so much, you sure seem to need a lot from it.
Everything I wrote in my post was correct. You didn t respond to any of it, you only recomended that I reaffix my penis..lol
Honestly, I don t even know why I am wasting my time with this shit.
I think if you people would work together, you would get a lot further.
Danny, when you don t get your way, you resort to being a counselor. Don't tell me that I am wrong. I am not stupid, and neither is everybody else.
Paul
PS I d like to see you get your story out.. When is it coming? Your memory seems to serve you just fine whenever it is in your own defense.
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I seem to remember this story of an elan grad.. who went onto be staff way back in the day. Can't remember what thread it was on, but I can sort of remember seeing it back in 2005 or so.
Anyjews, I remember the story goes something like the grad goes to work for Elan, leaves, has a family, gets arrested for wife beating.
Now this seriously would make so much sense if this fuckhead is in fact ol' Danny B.
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Wow. He's truly nuts, isn't he? All of the behaviors he's displayed here just scream program and specifically staff.
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I must say one thing here, it appears the two most asshole ex staff members are doing the most destruction to others in these forums. I also see the true survivors constantly having to take on the evil beasts all the time. I hate to mention names but awfully amazing how both little babies daily have some smart ass comments for everyone. It is like they still are running the program on people. Their lies, their tantrums are excalating to an all time high. They must be carrying some heavy guilt inside and have a need to make themselves look as if they are not monsters. However, they are truly monsters and need to just deal with the awful shit they have done to others.
I wish they would go away but unfortunately they are so implanted on here it is disgusting. They suck good people into their sess pool of crap, and it does create major harm. I personally went balistic on some pretty good people I felt allowed them to do what they did to me. I pushed the good people away thru all the confusion. I know how easy it is to get sucked into their trap. The only way to get rid of these assholes is once and for all not respond to them ever again. They will grow tired and get more angry with their insults I am sure. But they will lack anything to grow on. Many warned me for months Che did, Felice did, PSY did, Matt did, Mark did, and Ginger did. I chose not to see their points and regret not heeding their warnings. The time I wasted OMFG I wasted many days and nights. I became enraged because I felt so hopeless to their attacks. I see why some people became very frusterated in me. I regret losing two good friends. I wish I had more tolerance and can reject their words more easily. I fell into their game, not on purpose but all the same I fell into it. They controlled me because I was weak. I literally was their puppet in these forums. Well I am hoping I have learned and became stronger.
I have been reading a lot on these forums for days and I believe if I would of remained more silent , I could of really used the resources on here to make more of an difference in my life and others around me. I could of shown a hell of a lot more restraint. I am fairly new to forum discussions therefore I could of benefitted from the wisdom of others not the complete utter ignorance. I have read a lot Che and Annie have been speaking about for a week, and I believe they got a lot more wisdom then I ever truly noticed.
I blamed people so unfairly, and I guess this is something I can never take away or change. I believe in my heart and mind I thought more could be accomplished in forums. Then after my little break I knew and discovered something of importance...a forum reaches people all differently. I chose to go the wrong route. I chose not to heed others warnings. I do got to really thank someone specifically for really finally reaching my stubborn brain....PSY, you did help me a lot end and redirect my thought process. I do not believe you intended to help me in any way because I did hurt you and hurt others, but your words did sink in, and they sunk in good. Thank you.
Allow the past to remain there and these staff members are ful of God damn crap.
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I must say one thing here, it appears the two most asshole ex staff members are doing the most destruction to others in these forums. I also see the true survivors constantly having to take on the evil beasts all the time. I hate to mention names but awfully amazing how both little babies daily have some smart ass comments for everyone. It is like they still are running the program on people. Their lies, their tantrums are excalating to an all time high. They must be carrying some heavy guilt inside and have a need to make themselves look as if they are not monsters. However, they are truly monsters and need to just deal with the awful shit they have done to others.
I wish they would go away but unfortunately they are so implanted on here it is disgusting. They suck good people into their sess pool of crap, and it does create major harm. I personally went balistic on some pretty good people I felt allowed them to do what they did to me. I pushed the good people away thru all the confusion. I know how easy it is to get sucked into their trap. The only way to get rid of these assholes is once and for all not respond to them ever again. They will grow tired and get more angry with their insults I am sure. But they will lack anything to grow on. Many warned me for months Che did, Felice did, PSY did, Matt did, Mark did, and Ginger did. I chose not to see their points and regret not heeding their warnings. The time I wasted OMFG I wasted many days and nights. I became enraged because I felt so hopeless to their attacks. I see why some people became very frusterated in me. I regret losing two good friends. I wish I had more tolerance and can reject their words more easily. I fell into their game, not on purpose but all the same I fell into it. They controlled me because I was weak. I literally was their puppet in these forums. Well I am hoping I have learned and became stronger.
I have been reading a lot on these forums for days and I believe if I would of remained more silent , I could of really used the resources on here to make more of an difference in my life and others around me. I could of shown a hell of a lot more restraint. I am fairly new to forum discussions therefore I could of benefitted from the wisdom of others not the complete utter ignorance. I have read a lot Che and Annie have been speaking about for a week, and I believe they got a lot more wisdom then I ever truly noticed.
I blamed people so unfairly, and I guess this is something I can never take away or change. I believe in my heart and mind I thought more could be accomplished in forums. Then after my little break I knew and discovered something of importance...a forum reaches people all differently. I chose to go the wrong route. I chose not to heed others warnings. I do got to really thank someone specifically for really finally reaching my stubborn brain....PSY, you did help me a lot end and redirect my thought process. I do not believe you intended to help me in any way because I did hurt you and hurt others, but your words did sink in, and they sunk in good. Thank you.
Allow the past to remain there and these staff members are ful of God damn crap.
When each of us finds our way to Fornits, I think we all lose it at first and go a little nuts. Nothing new and certainly nothing to beat yourself up about. The way they twisted our souls and psyches up in there has lasting effects and it takes years sometimes to get a handle on it. It, very unfortunately, even found it's way into some of my parenting every now and then. It's kind of a fight or flight, instinctive response to danger. Hell, the first couple of years I'd go off on tirades for a while, then disappear from the boards into my depression for months on end. The more I read, the more I learned. The more I learned, the angrier I became and it took a damn long time to get ahold of myself.
These helped me tremendously to understand what had happened and how it had been done. Then I could finally untangle the knots in my soul and begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
http://www.ex-cult.org/ (http://www.ex-cult.org/)
Specifically....
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/lifton-criteria)
http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions (http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions)
http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html (http://www.ex-cult.org/bite.html)
It doesn't "fix" anything, but understanding it helped me to be able to deal with it more appropriately. Hope it helps.
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I don't know wtf is happening here, but why not just stop talking to people you don't like and not engaging when asked? Don't contact me seems like a reasonable request whether the person is reasonable or not. Boundaries and all that. (A GOOD thing, although contrary to program teachings.) I do not know what started this latest quagmire but it does seem like a bottomless pit. No reason to drool or eat glue or contact people that hate your guts or whatever.
As far as this is concerned, Danny is the problem. I am not trying to single anybody out, but I have followed some of this, and the thing is that Danny truly believes that he has the right to harass people, and forcing them to converse with him. I'm not just saying this for the hell of it. It is very clear.
Then, if he does not get what he wants out of somebody, he attacks them. Rather then win an argument on the merits of point of view, he takes cheap shots. He basically gives people a mini-haircut, exactly as I remember them.
In his mind, you are either with him or against him.
There are certain things, that I just don t understand how he cannot get them.
For example..
Why would you keep telling the owner of a website that you post on, that they are now your enemy. Most people would just say, " Oh so I am your enemy? Okay.. Fuck you. Don't post on my site anymore. Good-bye. Fuck you. Fuck your project. Fuck your purging. It's not my problem, and if you are my enemy, why should I enable you to carry out your objectives?"
That is what I would do...
"Okay.. Good bye, Dickhead.. been real"
Danny seems to think he has some kind of rights over other people.
Call me crazy, I still can t condemn him completly yet.. I just don t think that I know enough yet.. but hey that s me.
Either way, he doesn t let things go. He seems to enjoy all this to an extent.
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Either way, he doesn t let things go. He seems to enjoy all this to an extent.
Paul
Staff syndrome.
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I guess I am confused because I haven't paid attention to Elan stuff and Danny seemed to indicate that he understood the program's f*cked upness to me in another post. On the other hand, I can see he has alienated himself from people here. Just wondering why anyone would want to force a conversation and how they'd do that.
Are you saying he is like a Whooter. Who, I don't get. He is pro-program but lives at Fornits.
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Thank you Annie. I think many just do not fully get the idea of forums when they first come into one. It does change a lot in ones self and ways of even teaching restraint. I have no doubt I may spout in the future I just hope it shall never get as bad to make me feel embarrassed about who I am again. I also learned the past has got to remain there in order to fully make good changes and even maybe help someone down the line. For example; the ones that went threw Elan are now still able to have a life if they can accept the fact they went threw hell, and be able to fully move forward in life. We are still giving Elan the control over our lives even 20 plus years later. if we allow them to haunt us forever...they win.
The program is so deep in us, and we get so confrontational. We instinctively lash out to protect the little we got left of our dignity. But no one defines us, we define ourselves. These forums will always have their assholes, and smartasses because that is how they choose to be. We cannot change them or shut them up. But we got power to ignore, and chose who we wish to associate with and respond too. Oh, yes a great learning experience is here. I lately enjoy the reading aspect on here there is so much information. I see now why when threads are flooded how it stops really digging into the important information.
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Just wondering why anyone would want to force a conversation and how they'd do that.
Staff syndrome is why. Continuously PM someone or beat them down whenever they post in a thread anywhere until they get fed up and leave is how.
Who, I don't get. He is pro-program but lives at Fornits.
Damage control. He makes his living, I believe, off programs.
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Either way, he doesn t let things go. He seems to enjoy all this to an extent.
Paul
Staff syndrome.
Yup, possible case of SPD (http://http://isnt.autistics.org/dsn-staff.html)
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Lill` John do me a favor take your vagina suit off that says, "Ginger" and put your penis back in its place...OK.
You are so out of the loop your running backwards.
Welcome to my hell I call fornits....lol. Read the posts I received the first day I was here.
Jeesh I have not even started yet Lill` John.
Danny
I guess this post is to me...
My name's Paul. Okay, so now that we have that coverred.. I m not so sure what is meant by this vagina suit. I never actualy wnet to Elan, or perhaps, I might have had to have worn a vagina suit. But... I use to talk to Ginger through Im's and such. See her, and a few other people here, I actually know and like, and they have earned my respect..
You I don t know, but I haven t been looking over your posting history a bit, and you attack the shit out of people all the time.
I know what it means that you haven t started here, but for a guy who hates this place so much, you sure seem to need a lot from it.
Everything I wrote in my post was correct. You didn t respond to any of it, you only recomended that I reaffix my penis..lol
Honestly, I don t even know why I am wasting my time with this shit.
I think if you people would work together, you would get a lot further.
Danny, when you don t get your way, you resort to being a counselor. Don't tell me that I am wrong. I am not stupid, and neither is everybody else.
Paul
PS I d like to see you get your story out.. When is it coming? Your memory seems to serve you just fine whenever it is in your own defense.
Lill`John,
Listen move on, OK. I don't have the time or patience for this shit.
No. You only have the time and patience for senseless arguing. That, to you, is a valuable use of your time.
Your another in a long line of re-
brain washed pupils.
You know that that isn't true.
Can't you see it you have replaced one for another.
Nope. and I don't know how you can presume to see it, after so little interaction with me...
Nope. My mind works fine. I am drawing my own conclusions.. Not brainwashed.
I will admit though this (Fornits) is a upgrade.
An upgrade from what? You know something of my past?
Good luck to ya.
.. and the same to you... But honestly, I think that it is you who should move on, and I will tell you why. You are not ready for this.. You may never be, but definitly are not now. I am not saying this for the fun of it.. I don t hate you.. I don t even know you.. I am just offerring some valid advice. This is going to amount to nothing... You are getting nowhere.
You have a deep-setaed resentment and hatred for the people on these boards. It comes out of sometimes. You will not be working towards anything long-lasing and of substance with the people on these boards any time in the near future. I will not say that it is your fault.. I will only say that the issue is with you. Yes, they do have a prejudice towards counselors.. I do, too... But, if you were thinking rationally, you would have expected that. You would certainly not be suprised by it.
All that could be worked through most likely, if you went at the right way, but you can't. You foster too much hostility towards these people, for whatever reason. Nothing meaningful will come of your association with them. You can think what you like, but I am only beuing honest with you.
Paul St. John
(as in Paul St. John, not lil' John
Danny
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Honestly, this is not directed mainly at you. Anne said something above about people tending to melt down, to one degree or another, soon after coming into contact with other program vets. Just check out some of my earliest postings--especially those lobbed at Buzzkill--for a good example. I don't know how that woman finds the patience and generosity, but she actually calls me friend these days. And I'm grateful for that. I could cite countless other examples, but that would amount to talking shit on others and I try not to do too much of that.
Re: Samara's confusion about program fidelity, well that question comes up again and again. But I don't think that someone having a hostile response to other vets necessarily means they're pro-program. I think it has more to do with the way we all have gone about forming our settled views of our experiences and how meeting minds with others who's settled views are somewhat different can be very upsetting.
For almost 20 years, I thought my brother booted me from his house when I turned 18 cause my mom was pressuring him. When he said no, it's just that I had been acting like a "druggie" my head almost exploded! Shouldn't have mattered all that much, really. Either way I was booted and have had very limited contact with most of my family since. But I could understand his need to stay on good terms with our mom even if I couldn't do that. I could live with that. It was much harder to accept that my lovin brother booted me cause he thought my eyes looked glassy after working two shifts at two jobs while waiting for legal access to my high-school transcript. It blew my mind. They were shaking it off enough to help me escape the program but not enough to not enforce it outside the walls.
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Just who are you, oh ex staff....asshole.
You made a point of talking A LOT about how you were Asst. Director. That goes a bit beyond a teen counselor caught up in the hype, don't ya think? And the entire attitude that you displayed...who was it, Paul I think, that said you came with the sense that you were the "new sheriff in town" and he was dead on! You were gonna clean up nasty ole Fornits....for it's own good and against it's will.
Inculcate starts it right off, starts asking me questions about Daytop that I take personal (since I had never been here) so I get defensive
Why on earth would you get defensive about being asked about a place you never attended?
(instead of pm'ing me to explain the ropes here, no she cuts me like a piece of meat right out in the open), Felice is asking me to suck Marty dick, that was my third day I think.
Go fucking cry about it ya pussy! THIS is where you need to understand how your presence here, with the "staff" personality you spew out all over anyone and everyone (except your butt buddy Whooter) brings out such anger......You - an Asst. Director of one of the most sadistic and abusive programs is crying about people being mean? About how they're not being nice to you??? Put your big-boy pants on and man the fuck up you spineless piece of shit! I'm sorry, but THAT is EXACTLY why so many people have such a problem with you. Did you ever read Rich's apology to the Straight people? He was also an "executive staff" but I tell ya...he presented himself 180 degrees from how you did and he's ended up well respected for it.
So whatever Antigen on your and Annes little theory, (fornits) melts people down, example today Pile with poster "sad". Could you get any more brutal, sad part he is just play'in a part he invented some time ago. Dude doesn't act like that in real life.
And I highly doubt you do either. You're too much of a crybaby to talk that shit to people face to face. Guaran-damn-teed!!
Acts just like "Sean Hannity", it is a act, Sean is getting paid. Pile is getting paid, vengence (get back) attention and most of all validation.
What the fuck are you babbling about?
Your right if your thinking I'm no different, (I'm going to be worse) to open your eyes to the brutality that goes on here. Keep blaming it on me, most of you folks that have been here the longest Ursus, Anne, ect.....Bravo keep piling it on.
The hostility and brutality towards YOU is because of YOU.
You only show posters how much intelligence you have,really.
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Antigen you probably came here with your ideas, lonely and raging and this opened up to become a vent for you but that is your story.
Yeah.....and.....??
All the studies, analysis's, diagnosis, trials, conferences that you folks post they are the individual or (plural) opinions and stories (if such the case) not ours necessarily.
Not "ours"? Who are you referring to?
A lot of you folks post articles and studies by others and then talk about them like their your experiences (I understand identifying but in reality their not mine)
Ok...I don't think anyone was even remotely attempting to speak for you dear. I don't think we'd know how. :ftard:
, hardly anyone speaks in the "I".
Because we've rehashed our own stories enough. Frankly, I've done enough venting about my own personal pain. Hell, I've been here off and on for damn near 10 years trying to first, figure out my own shit and then later to warn parents and kids about what really happens in the shitpits and offer help, if I can.
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Inculcate starts it right off, starts asking me questions about Daytop that I take personal (since I had never been here) so I get defensive
Why on earth would you get defensive about being asked about a place you never attended?
Fwiw, according to Danny and as first posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358130) (#15) on December 6, 2009 in the are there any success stories? (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358127) thread, he did attend Daytop:
...One addict helping another is a miracle if you do not know this then you weren't a Alcoholic/Addict of my type and that is ok. I have been clean and sober for 21yrs. That I share for my own reasons but I believe to a certain degree it qualifies me to get a seat at the table also I am qualified because I spent from 6/71 till 1/77 incarcerated in one form or another. In drug treatment programs Daytop 71, Marathon house 73 and Elan 75 in between in and out of Y.C.C. in Cranston R.I. So I understand full well what everyone here is talking about and I am willing to be a student. But I won't just sit around and talk about the problem with no end in site, we also have to talk about the solution. To end here in 1971 I was twelve years old. Thanks Love and Peace Danny[/list]
Here was Inculcated's response (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358132) (#16) that Danny took so personal:
Hi Danny Bennison,
I was startled to see how many of these programs you were in. I’m happy you’ve found a happiness and stability away from your addiction (21 years-nice) and very sincerely sorry that you had to endure so much to get there.
What are the reasons that you were in three of these very similar, but separate programs? In addtion to Elan, I am very curious to know what your recollections of Daytop and Marathon House were like. Which facilities were you in?[/list]
Danny's response (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358132) (#17):
Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny[/list]
...And, it kinda goes downhill f-a-s-t from there. This thread might be insightful reading for someone, lol.
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(instead of pm'ing me to explain the ropes here, no she cuts me like a piece of meat right out in the open), Felice is asking me to suck Marty dick, that was my third day I think.
Go fucking cry about it ya pussy! THIS is where you need to understand how your presence here, with the "staff" personality you spew out all over anyone and everyone (except your butt buddy Whooter) brings out such anger......You - an Asst. Director of one of the most sadistic and abusive programs is crying about people being mean? About how they're not being nice to you??? Put your big-boy pants on and man the fuck up you spineless piece of shit! I'm sorry, but THAT is EXACTLY why so many people have such a problem with you. Did you ever read Rich's apology to the Straight people? He was also an "executive staff" but I tell ya...he presented himself 180 degrees from how you did and he's ended up well respected for it.
Yep, he knows about it. Here's an exchange from the same time period as my previous post (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30596&p=365265#p365265) above, albeit a couple of days later, from the Ex-Staffers at Elan Ajustment w/ the Elan Community (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30022&p=358170#p358170) thread:
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#1 Post by Danny Bennison » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:27 am
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.
#2 Post by Ursus » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:24 am
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents.
Please define "Director" as it pertains to you.
You might also want to take a look at this thread:
An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26480 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26480)[/list]
All in all, I'd have to venture that "reentry" will not be easy, but if you are sincere and keep at it, some folk will come around. Some won't; that's life.
#3 Post by Danny Bennison » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:30 pm
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents.
Please define "Director" as it pertains to you.
You might also want to take a look at this thread:
An Apology to Survivors of Straight from a Former Exec Staff
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26480 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=26480)[/list]
All in all, I'd have to venture that "reentry" will not be easy, but if you are sincere and keep at it, some folk will come around. Some won't; that's life.
Ursus, Thank You first and foremost. The Apology was humbling to read honestly and I have some soul searching to do for a reply. Which will be coming soon on this thread and a site just for Elan. I am waking up for sure. You; asked me to explain Director as it pertains to me I am not sure how to answer this question b/cuz I am not sure I understand the question. Help!
#4 Post by Eliscu2 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:56 pm
I was an ex-staff and Director and I have experienced some hostility from ex-residents. Now to be honest I can't say I have handeled the conversations well especially the passionate ones. Now I was 17,18 and 19 when I was staff and I don't pretend to stand here and say I knew the job professionally or was trained. It was 31yrs. ago. I am having trouble adjusting, (I was a resident like everyone else than went to staff at 17 (what a joke) ) with my fellow residents. Would really like some advice on my re-entry back in to socializing. I have not done this since 1978 didn't even know these sites excisted.
Go Blow Jeff Gottlieb or Marty.
No body remembers you, but they remember each other hmmmmm.
Push your :bs: somewhere else. :roflmao:
#5 Post by Ursus » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:34 pm
You; asked me to explain Director as it pertains to me I am not sure how to answer this question b/cuz I am not sure I understand the question. Help!
Usually when people think of a "director," they think of a person who's in charge. Often The person in charge. I guess I just wanted you to clarify: were you in charge of other staff? Or were you simply what Elan calls a "therapeutic director," i.e., more or less regular staff?
Some more fodder for old memories:
Bad Company
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27692 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=27692)[/list]
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Fwiw, according to Danny and as first posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358130) (#15) on December 6, 2009, he did attend Daytop:
Ah, I see. My bad. Thought he wrote "(since I had never been there.)" I see now that he was referring to here.
...And, it kinda goes downhill f-a-s-t from there. This thread might be insightful reading for someone, lol.
Wow....right-o on both counts!
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:cheers: Danny don't give up,, ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: ::poke:: you got-em on the ropes now
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Inculcate starts it right off, starts asking me questions about Daytop that I take personal (since I had never been here) so I get defensive
Why on earth would you get defensive about being asked about a place you never attended?
Fwiw, according to Danny and as first posted (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358130) (#15) on December 6, 2009 in the are there any success stories? (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358127) thread, he did attend Daytop:
...One addict helping another is a miracle if you do not know this then you weren't a Alcoholic/Addict of my type and that is ok. I have been clean and sober for 21yrs. That I share for my own reasons but I believe to a certain degree it qualifies me to get a seat at the table also I am qualified because I spent from 6/71 till 1/77 incarcerated in one form or another. In drug treatment programs Daytop 71, Marathon house 73 and Elan 75 in between in and out of Y.C.C. in Cranston R.I. So I understand full well what everyone here is talking about and I am willing to be a student. But I won't just sit around and talk about the problem with no end in site, we also have to talk about the solution. To end here in 1971 I was twelve years old. Thanks Love and Peace Danny[/list]
Here was Inculcated's response (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358132) (#16) that Danny took so personal:
Hi Danny Bennison,
I was startled to see how many of these programs you were in. I’m happy you’ve found a happiness and stability away from your addiction (21 years-nice) and very sincerely sorry that you had to endure so much to get there.
What are the reasons that you were in three of these very similar, but separate programs? In addtion to Elan, I am very curious to know what your recollections of Daytop and Marathon House were like. Which facilities were you in?[/list]
Danny's response (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30020&p=358132#p358132) (#17):
Inculated, This name does not help me to want to open up and explain anything. If you want to give me your full name I will get more intimate with my personal history. It would also help if you could share your own experiences that relates to what I shared earlier if you can't identify with me in life history I would very much appreciate you not asking me questions so direct. Not trying to be snotty just setting the table that's all. My full name is Daniel Lee Bennison email ([email protected]). Why because I can. Thanks Love and Peace Danny[/list]
...And, it kinda goes downhill f-a-s-t from there. This thread might be insightful reading for someone, lol.
Only idiots believe there is nobody smarter than them. :jawdrop:
:deal:
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Try again little one....you'll get the hang of the quote feature one of these days. I can't even wade thru this one, you've fucked it up so badly.
I'm tellin' ya guys....it really is starting to feel like we're picking on a Down's kid or something. If he weren't such an asshole, I might feel a little guilty. :seg2:
Just who are you, oh ex staff....asshole.
You made a point of talking A LOT about how you were Asst. Director. That goes a bit beyond a teen counselor caught up in the hype, don't ya think? And the entire attitude that you displayed...who was it, Paul I think, that said you came with the sense that you were the "new sheriff in town" and he was dead on! You were gonna clean up nasty ole Fornits....for it's own good and against it's will.
No Anne I have made no point of talking about any of my Elan experiences. Very little have I talked all because of you and folks like you. Anne nobody opens up here.
Inculcate starts it right off, starts asking me questions about Daytop that I take personal (since I had never been here) so I get defensive
Why on earth would you get defensive about being asked about a place you never attended?
Dip shit I was there in 1973 read, you keep proving what Whooter has always said about you.
(instead of pm'ing me to explain the ropes here, no she cuts me like a piece of meat right out in the open), Felice is asking me to suck Marty dick, that was my third day I think.
Go fucking cry about it ya pussy! THIS is where you need to understand how your presence here, with the "staff" personality you spew out all over anyone and everyone (except your butt buddy Whooter) brings out such anger......You - an Asst. Director of one of the most sadistic and abusive programs is crying about people being mean? About how they're not being nice to you??? Put your big-boy pants on and man the fuck up you spineless piece of shit! I'm sorry, but THAT is EXACTLY why so many people have such a problem with you. Did you ever read Rich's apology to the Straight people? He was also an "executive staff" but I tell ya...he presented himself 180 degrees from how you did and he's ended up well respected for it.
Anne you really need to get this through your head once and for all time. I don't care what fornits, Elan posters here or you think of me or about me. I stopped caring long ago about the staff/director status (I carry this persona that I must be aware of so as not to hurt folks) "fuck-you", who said you, fornits, Felice. Who made up this rule that Danny Bennison because he was staff at 17yrs of age has to watch what he says and the way he acts towards other survivors. Who made this rule, I was 17 a bonafied Coordinator. No you folks needed a staff/Director on here never really had one before, so I was good enough. Well again it is over people take your animosity and shove it. I will act as I have always done since the third day being here. Thanks to Inculcate(kimmy) and Felice.
I thought you would use Rich as a example, stop not only is Rich a friend douche bag,I have much respect for him, I sit as a administrator with him elsewhere. Don't, I mean don't even compare yourself to him or quote any of his experiences. You could not even carry his jock to the gym for him.
Nice speech....
So whatever Antigen on your and Annes little theory, (fornits) melts people down, example today Pile with poster "sad". Could you get any more brutal, sad part he is just play'in a part he invented some time ago. Dude doesn't act like that in real life.
And I highly doubt you do either. You're too much of a crybaby to talk that shit to people face to face. Guaran-damn-teed!!
I am in Florida right now just down the street from you. Know what I mean. Vacation in Tampa. Short hop, skip and jump from you. Name the place, love to talk with you and your daddy.
All my shit is done face to face you fucking coward bet Matty is sucking on your tit right now.
Please call 404-936-6141 be here till 6/21/10. Be looking fo ya.
Acts just like "Sean Hannity", it is a act, Sean is getting paid. Pile is getting paid, vengence (get back) attention and most of all validation.
What the fuck are you babbling about?
Yo Daddy........
Your right if your thinking I'm no different, (I'm going to be worse) to open your eyes to the brutality that goes on here. Keep blaming it on me, most of you folks that have been here the longest Ursus, Anne, ect.....Bravo keep piling it on.
The hostility and brutality towards YOU is because of YOU.
Anne wake up stop with your denial we went through this with the AA posts.
You only show posters how much intelligence you have,really.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Antigen you probably came here with your ideas, lonely and raging and this opened up to become a vent for you but that is your story.
Yeah.....and.....??
Hey do you do this with your family also??????????
All the studies, analysis's, diagnosis, trials, conferences that you folks post they are the individual or (plural) opinions and stories (if such the case) not ours necessarily.
Not "ours"? Who are you referring to?
You do do this to your family, no wonder why your daughter has a problem with you. Control freak.
A lot of you folks post articles and studies by others and then talk about them like their your experiences (I understand identifying but in reality their not mine)
Ok...I don't think anyone was even remotely attempting to speak for you dear. I don't think we'd know how. :ftard:
Would be nice if you read that again and answered it properly.
, hardly anyone speaks in the "I".
Because we've rehashed our own stories enough.
No you haven't Anne, read your posts. Are you that blind or just hardheaded.
Frankly, I've done enough venting about my own personal pain.
NOooooooooooooooooooooo you have not girl. WHOOooooooo the fuck are you kidding.
Hell, I've been here off and on for damn near 10 years trying to first, figure out my own shit
And what is that supposed to mean, where did you get your help, how did you get your help. Anne I'm sorry to be the only one to say this but STFU. Nobody gets therapy here girl wtf is your problem. This is a one sided conversation where the therapist is yessing you to death. What have you figured out, "How to treat people like shit that don't agree with you", your arrogant sarcastic mouth doesn't help anyone but Sharon. Seriously Anne you push people away not attract. Oh I know, Danny you do it too. "YOUR RIGHT BUT I'M DOING IT ON PURPOSE TO SHOW YOU ASSHOLES WHAT YOU DO TO FOLKS THAT COME HERE TRYING TO FIND HELP. YOU STUBBORN FUCKERS ARE SO SET IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE".
and then later to warn parents and kids about what really happens in the shitpits and offer help, if I can
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What "shitpits", where are they. Are they really there, do we really know that. Anne have you gone out and visited any of the shitpits or has anyone else here. Do we really know what were talking about. Is there a arm to fornits that investigates physically these shitpits. Poses as someone else, at least tries to verify the stories.
That would be a BIG NO........WE SIT AND COPY AND POST WAITING FOR THE NEXT NEW COMER TO COME ALONG AND ENLIGHTEN US TO THE NEW MODALITY SO WE CAN PLUG IT IN TO OUR OLD MODALITY.
Ya Annie girl you keep beat'in the shit out of the new comers especially the ones who say they had a good experience. That works......
Danny
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Just who are you, oh ex staff....asshole.
You made a point of talking A LOT about how you were Asst. Director. That goes a bit beyond a teen counselor caught up in the hype, don't ya think? And the entire attitude that you displayed...who was it, Paul I think, that said you came with the sense that you were the "new sheriff in town" and he was dead on! You were gonna clean up nasty ole Fornits....for it's own good and against it's will.
No Anne I have made no point of talking about any of my Elan experiences. Very little have I talked all because of you and folks like you. Anne nobody opens up here.
Inculcate starts it right off, starts asking me questions about Daytop that I take personal (since I had never been here) so I get defensive
Why on earth would you get defensive about being asked about a place you never attended?
Dip shit I was there in 1973 read, you keep proving what Whooter has always said about you.
(instead of pm'ing me to explain the ropes here, no she cuts me like a piece of meat right out in the open), Felice is asking me to suck Marty dick, that was my third day I think.
Go fucking cry about it ya pussy! THIS is where you need to understand how your presence here, with the "staff" personality you spew out all over anyone and everyone (except your butt buddy Whooter) brings out such anger......You - an Asst. Director of one of the most sadistic and abusive programs is crying about people being mean? About how they're not being nice to you??? Put your big-boy pants on and man the fuck up you spineless piece of shit! I'm sorry, but THAT is EXACTLY why so many people have such a problem with you. Did you ever read Rich's apology to the Straight people? He was also an "executive staff" but I tell ya...he presented himself 180 degrees from how you did and he's ended up well respected for it.
Anne you really need to get this through your head once and for all time. I don't care what fornits, Elan posters here or you think of me or about me. I stopped caring long ago about the staff/director status (I carry this persona that I must be aware of so as not to hurt folks) "fuck-you", who said you, fornits, Felice. Who made up this rule that Danny Bennison because he was staff at 17yrs of age has to watch what he says and the way he acts towards other survivors. Who made this rule, I was 17 a bonafied Coordinator. No you folks needed a staff/Director on here never really had one before, so I was good enough. Well again it is over people take your animosity and shove it. I will act as I have always done since the third day being here. Thanks to Inculcate(kimmy) and Felice.
I thought you would use Rich as a example, stop not only is Rich a friend douche bag,I have much respect for him, I sit as a administrator with him elsewhere. Don't, I mean don't even compare yourself to him or quote any of his experiences. You could not even carry his jock to the gym for him.
Nice speech....
So whatever Antigen on your and Annes little theory, (fornits) melts people down, example today Pile with poster "sad". Could you get any more brutal, sad part he is just play'in a part he invented some time ago. Dude doesn't act like that in real life.
And I highly doubt you do either. You're too much of a crybaby to talk that shit to people face to face. Guaran-damn-teed!!
I am in Florida right now just down the street from you. Know what I mean. Vacation in Tampa. Short hop, skip and jump from you. Name the place, love to talk with you and your daddy.
All my shit is done face to face you fucking coward bet Matty is sucking on your tit right now.
Please call 404-936-6141 be here till 6/21/10. Be looking fo ya.
Acts just like "Sean Hannity", it is a act, Sean is getting paid. Pile is getting paid, vengence (get back) attention and most of all validation.
What the fuck are you babbling about?
Yo Daddy........
Your right if your thinking I'm no different, (I'm going to be worse) to open your eyes to the brutality that goes on here. Keep blaming it on me, most of you folks that have been here the longest Ursus, Anne, ect.....Bravo keep piling it on.
The hostility and brutality towards YOU is because of YOU.
Anne wake up stop with your denial we went through this with the AA posts.
You only show posters how much intelligence you have,really.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Antigen you probably came here with your ideas, lonely and raging and this opened up to become a vent for you but that is your story.
Yeah.....and.....??
Hey do you do this with your family also??????????
All the studies, analysis's, diagnosis, trials, conferences that you folks post they are the individual or (plural) opinions and stories (if such the case) not ours necessarily.
Not "ours"? Who are you referring to?
You do do this to your family, no wonder why your daughter has a problem with you. Control freak.
A lot of you folks post articles and studies by others and then talk about them like their your experiences (I understand identifying but in reality their not mine)
Ok...I don't think anyone was even remotely attempting to speak for you dear. I don't think we'd know how. :ftard:
Would be nice if you read that again and answered it properly.
, hardly anyone speaks in the "I".
Because we've rehashed our own stories enough.
No you haven't Anne, read your posts. Are you that blind or just hardheaded.
Frankly, I've done enough venting about my own personal pain.
NOooooooooooooooooooooo you have not girl. WHOOooooooo the fuck are you kidding.
Hell, I've been here off and on for damn near 10 years trying to first, figure out my own shit
And what is that supposed to mean, where did you get your help, how did you get your help. Anne I'm sorry to be the only one to say this but STFU. Nobody gets therapy here girl wtf is your problem. This is a one sided conversation where the therapist is yessing you to death. What have you figured out, "How to treat people like shit that don't agree with you", your arrogant sarcastic mouth doesn't help anyone but Sharon. Seriously Anne you push people away not attract. Oh I know, Danny you do it too. "YOUR RIGHT BUT I'M DOING IT ON PURPOSE TO SHOW YOU ASSHOLES WHAT YOU DO TO FOLKS THAT COME HERE TRYING TO FIND HELP. YOU STUBBORN FUCKERS ARE SO SET IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE".
and then later to warn parents and kids about what really happens in the shitpits and offer help, if I can
.
What "shitpits", where are they. Are they really there, do we really know that. Anne have you gone out and visited any of the shitpits or has anyone else here. Do we really know what were talking about. Is there a arm to fornits that investigates physically these shitpits. Poses as someone else, at least tries to verify the stories.
That would be a BIG NO........WE SIT AND COPY AND POST WAITING FOR THE NEXT NEW COMER TO COME ALONG AND ENLIGHTEN US TO THE NEW MODALITY SO WE CAN PLUG IT IN TO OUR OLD MODALITY.
Ya Annie girl you keep beat'in the shit out of the new comers especially the ones who say they had a good experience. That works......
Danny
<face palm>
Danny, what do you really mean by the following, just wanna make sure I understand this correctly... Are you saying that you had or have plans on "directing" efforts here on fornits?
"...Anne you really need to get this through your head once and for all time. I don't care what fornits, Elan posters here or you think of me or about me. I stopped caring long ago about the staff/director status (I carry this persona that I must be aware of so as not to hurt folks) "fuck-you", who said you, fornits, Felice. Who made up this rule that Danny Bennison because he was staff at 17yrs of age has to watch what he says and the way he acts towards other survivors. Who made this rule, I was 17 a bonafied Coordinator. No you folks needed a staff/Director on here never really had one before, so I was good enough."[/list]
And is this how the former Asst. Director teaches us how to have manners when we post?
And what is that supposed to mean, where did you get your help, how did you get your help. Anne I'm sorry to be the only one to say this but STFU. Nobody gets therapy here girl wtf is your problem. This is a one sided conversation where the therapist is yessing you to death. What have you figured out, "How to treat people like shit that don't agree with you", your arrogant sarcastic mouth doesn't help anyone but Sharon. Seriously Anne you push people away not attract. Oh I know, Danny you do it too. "YOUR RIGHT BUT I'M DOING IT ON PURPOSE TO SHOW YOU ASSHOLES WHAT YOU DO TO FOLKS THAT COME HERE TRYING TO FIND HELP. YOU STUBBORN FUCKERS ARE SO SET IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE".[/list]
And last but not least, is this yet another one of your thinly disguised threats?
I am in Florida right now just down the street from you. Know what I mean. Vacation in Tampa. Short hop, skip and jump from you. Name the place, love to talk with you and your daddy.
All my shit is done face to face you fucking coward bet Matty is sucking on your tit right now.
Please call 404-936-6141 be here till 6/21/10. Be looking fo ya.[/list]
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I don't think he can help it.
http://isnt.autistics.org/dsn-staff.html (http://isnt.autistics.org/dsn-staff.html)
Criteria for Staff Personality Disorder
Personality Disorders
Staff Personality Disorder 601.83
A pervasive pattern of condescension, degradation of others, and controlling behavior beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. Condescending or degrading use of body language, vocal inflection, and behavior.
2. Presentation of two or more markedly different personality styles based entirely on context.
3. Persistent protection of people in positions of power even if such people have done something unethical or illegal.
4. Employment in one of the "helping professions", or other situations in which a person has or can secure power over others.
5. Rigidity in application of rules and explanations to other people
6. Persistent or stereotyped use of euphemisms, jargon, deceptive language, and double standards in language
7. Persistent use of degradation, ridicule, and violence, either gratuitously or grossly out of proportion to the situation
Diagnostic Features
The essential feature of Staff Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of condescension, degradation of others, and controlling behavior that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder display condescending or degrading body language, vocal inflection, and behavior (Criterion 1). They may use a patronizing "contaminated" smile, a sing-song voice, or the forms of language use described in Criterion 6. This behavior would be considered patronizing when directed at the average individual.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder present two or more markedly different personality styles based entirely on context (Criterion 2). For instance, while dealing with "clients", while alone, they may be vicious, punitive, and controlling. When dealing with the general public, they may adopt a saintlike persona. It is not at all uncommon for the antisocial behavior of people with Staff Personality Disorder to go unnoticed, even when that behavior extends to torture or murder.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder will persistently protect people in positions of power, even if those people have done something unethical or illegal (Criterion 3). This may consist of putting up a "united front" to clients or to the public. People with this disorder will hide or excuse antisocial behavior in others with the disorder. Hiding may take the form of altering logs and failing to report abuse. Excusing may involve character assassination directed toward victims of mistreatment or abuse, or diminishing their credibility in some other way, while making it seem as if the behavior is the only logical response to certain sorts of people. They will also use these techniques of hiding and making excuses, to justify and rationalize their own behavior.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder are often employed in one of the "helping professions", or other situations in which a person has or can secure power over others (Criterion 4). People with this disorder are disproportionately represented among psychiatric technicians, group home workers, home health care aides, social workers, special education teachers, counselors, nurses (especially psychiatric nurses), direct care staff, and institution staff. People with this disorder may also be grammar-school teachers, prison guards, and other professionals in positions of direct power over others. These positions may be either the cause or the result of the disorder.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder are rigid when applying rules and explanations to other people (Criterion 5). This, curiously but characteristically, may not extend to others with this disorder. Individuals with this disorder are likely to use a narrow set of rules to understand the behavior of others, particularly clients. They will see most ordinary behavior as manipulative, attention-seeking, or non-compliant. When confronted with something like violence on the part of clients, they will fail to differentiate between malice, self-defense, and frustration at being trapped. This may result in across-the-board application of punishments such as are described in Criterion 7.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder may display persistent or stereotyped use of euphemisms, jargon, deceptive language, and double standards in language (Criterion 6). They euphemistically refer to others as special needs, challenged, or consumers. They prefer jargon to ordinary language, and describe the behavior of others using clinical and psychiatric jargon, often loosely adding such jargon into everyday conversation, e.g. saying that someone they dislike has a Borderline Personality Disorder. They use deceptive language, for instance referring to prisons as hospitals and violence as treatment. They use double standards in language, e.g. referring to themselves as getting bored but to clients as going off task. They may apply certain words in a stereotyped fashion, repeating over and over that others are non-compliant, attention-seeking, manipulative, or playing games, without apparent regard to context or motivation.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder display persistent use of degradation, ridicule, and violence, either gratuitously or out of proportion to the situation (Criterion 7). Degradation may take the form of degrading language such as "retard" or "psycho", denial or pathologization of the existing identity or roles of others (for instance telling someone that thinking he is a writer is a delusion of grandeur), treating people like children, or assigning humiliating tasks. More advanced forms of degradation involve using elaborate methods to thoroughly confuse a person's sense of reality or self on all levels. Ridicule might include laughing at the aspirations or humiliation of clients, or laughingly dismissing their communication or behavior. Violence includes physical or sexual assault, mechanical restraints, chemical restraints, and solitary confinement. These things may be undertaken gratuitously, on a whim, as a result of boredom or frustration. They may be out of proportion to the situation, such as restraining someone for making eye contact with staff. These things are often justified using the means described in Criterion 3.
More at the link above.
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Hi Danny Bennison,
I was startled to see how many of these programs you were in. I’m happy you’ve found a happiness and stability away from your addiction (21 years-nice) and very sincerely sorry that you had to endure so much to get there.
What are the reasons that you were in three of these very similar, but separate programs? In addtion to Elan, I am very curious to know what your recollections of Daytop and Marathon House were like. Which facilities were you in?
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Wow! That Inculcated is some PITBULL!
I mean with all that question-asking! Where do we draw the line?
I mean, it is beyond obvious that what she is really saying here is " You are Ex-Staff? Asshole! You are not welcome here!"
I ll yell ya! Inculcated is damn lucky that Danny didn t tear her dishonest heart right out of her chest..
... and deposit is with Ursus and the other organic matter to be wained away.
Paul
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No Anne I have made no point of talking about any of my Elan experiences. Very little have I talked all because of you and folks like you. Anne nobody opens up here.
So, let me get this straight. You're now saying that you haven't been stating that you were an Asst. Dir. at Elan? Have I got that right?
Dip shit I was there in 1973 read, you keep proving what Whooter has always said about you.
No, Danny. I just have the balls to admit when I'm wrong. You have no balls.
Anne you really need to get this through your head once and for all time. I don't care what fornits, Elan posters here or you think of me or about me.
:rofl: :rofl:
Oh yes you do!
:rofl: :rofl:
Who made up this rule that Danny Bennison because he was staff at 17yrs of age has to watch what he says and the way he acts towards other survivors. Who made this rule,
There is no rule you insipid little twit. It was a suggestion because you were crying about how mean everyone was being to you. *sniffle, sniffle* Awww...poor wittle baby.
I was 17 a bonafied Coordinator.
So are you lying now or were you lying when you said you were Asst. Dir.?
No you folks needed a staff/Director on here never really had one before, so I was good enough.
See!!! I called it! Staff Personality Disorder!!
Well again it is over people take your animosity and shove it. I will act as I have always done since the third day being here. Thanks to Inculcate(kimmy) and Felice.
Ah yes, classic. Blame your behavior on someone else. Nice personal responsibility there bub! What would your sponsor say? :eek:
I thought you would use Rich as a example, stop not only is Rich a friend douche bag,I have much respect for him, I sit as a administrator with him elsewhere. Don't, I mean don't even compare yourself to him or quote any of his experiences. You could not even carry his jock to the gym for him.
Oh just stop it you moronic waste of oxygen. First, I didn't compare myself with Rich. I compared and contrasted how Rich handles himself to how you do. Second, Rich is a dear friend of mine.
Nice speech....
Thanks! I thought so.
I am in Florida right now just down the street from you. Know what I mean. Vacation in Tampa. Short hop, skip and jump from you. Name the place, love to talk with you and your daddy.
All my shit is done face to face you fucking coward bet Matty is sucking on your tit right now.
Please call 404-936-6141 be here till 6/21/10. Be looking fo ya.
Hmmmm, is that a veiled threat? And who is Matty?
Hey do you do this with your family also??????????
Do what?
You do do this to your family, no wonder why your daughter has a problem with you. Control freak.
What the hell are you talking about? Have you seriously had some kind of a breakdown or something? Should we be worried about you?
No you haven't Anne, read your posts. Are you that blind or just hardheaded.
Well, see Danny boy....Fornits has been up and running for a lot longer than you've been here. I have rehashed my story over and over and over again.
And what is that supposed to mean, where did you get your help, how did you get your help.
From various sources. A decent therapist and really good friends and family mainly.
Anne I'm sorry to be the only one to say this but STFU. Nobody gets therapy here girl wtf is your problem.
Where has anyone ever claimed that? Have you seriously lost your mind?
Seriously Anne you push people away not attract.
I don't give a shit. I'm not here to "attract" anyone.
Oh I know, Danny you do it too. "YOUR RIGHT BUT I'M DOING IT ON PURPOSE TO SHOW YOU ASSHOLES WHAT YOU DO TO FOLKS THAT COME HERE TRYING TO FIND HELP. YOU STUBBORN FUCKERS ARE SO SET IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE".
Staff personality disorder strikes again. You just can't help yourself, can ya?
What "shitpits", where are they. Are they really there, do we really know that.
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Anne have you gone out and visited any of the shitpits or has anyone else here. Do we really know what were talking about.
Yes and yes.
Is there a arm to fornits that investigates physically these shitpits. Poses as someone else, at least tries to verify the stories.
Well, Fornits doesn't do it, but some of us have individually.
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I don't think he can help it.
http://isnt.autistics.org/dsn-staff.html (http://isnt.autistics.org/dsn-staff.html)
Criteria for Staff Personality Disorder
Personality Disorders
Staff Personality Disorder 601.83
A pervasive pattern of condescension, degradation of others, and controlling behavior beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. Condescending or degrading use of body language, vocal inflection, and behavior.
2. Presentation of two or more markedly different personality styles based entirely on context.
3. Persistent protection of people in positions of power even if such people have done something unethical or illegal.
4. Employment in one of the "helping professions", or other situations in which a person has or can secure power over others.
5. Rigidity in application of rules and explanations to other people
6. Persistent or stereotyped use of euphemisms, jargon, deceptive language, and double standards in language
7. Persistent use of degradation, ridicule, and violence, either gratuitously or grossly out of proportion to the situation
Diagnostic Features
The essential feature of Staff Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of condescension, degradation of others, and controlling behavior that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder display condescending or degrading body language, vocal inflection, and behavior (Criterion 1). They may use a patronizing "contaminated" smile, a sing-song voice, or the forms of language use described in Criterion 6. This behavior would be considered patronizing when directed at the average individual.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder present two or more markedly different personality styles based entirely on context (Criterion 2). For instance, while dealing with "clients", while alone, they may be vicious, punitive, and controlling. When dealing with the general public, they may adopt a saintlike persona. It is not at all uncommon for the antisocial behavior of people with Staff Personality Disorder to go unnoticed, even when that behavior extends to torture or murder.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder will persistently protect people in positions of power, even if those people have done something unethical or illegal (Criterion 3). This may consist of putting up a "united front" to clients or to the public. People with this disorder will hide or excuse antisocial behavior in others with the disorder. Hiding may take the form of altering logs and failing to report abuse. Excusing may involve character assassination directed toward victims of mistreatment or abuse, or diminishing their credibility in some other way, while making it seem as if the behavior is the only logical response to certain sorts of people. They will also use these techniques of hiding and making excuses, to justify and rationalize their own behavior.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder are often employed in one of the "helping professions", or other situations in which a person has or can secure power over others (Criterion 4). People with this disorder are disproportionately represented among psychiatric technicians, group home workers, home health care aides, social workers, special education teachers, counselors, nurses (especially psychiatric nurses), direct care staff, and institution staff. People with this disorder may also be grammar-school teachers, prison guards, and other professionals in positions of direct power over others. These positions may be either the cause or the result of the disorder.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder are rigid when applying rules and explanations to other people (Criterion 5). This, curiously but characteristically, may not extend to others with this disorder. Individuals with this disorder are likely to use a narrow set of rules to understand the behavior of others, particularly clients. They will see most ordinary behavior as manipulative, attention-seeking, or non-compliant. When confronted with something like violence on the part of clients, they will fail to differentiate between malice, self-defense, and frustration at being trapped. This may result in across-the-board application of punishments such as are described in Criterion 7.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder may display persistent or stereotyped use of euphemisms, jargon, deceptive language, and double standards in language (Criterion 6). They euphemistically refer to others as special needs, challenged, or consumers. They prefer jargon to ordinary language, and describe the behavior of others using clinical and psychiatric jargon, often loosely adding such jargon into everyday conversation, e.g. saying that someone they dislike has a Borderline Personality Disorder. They use deceptive language, for instance referring to prisons as hospitals and violence as treatment. They use double standards in language, e.g. referring to themselves as getting bored but to clients as going off task. They may apply certain words in a stereotyped fashion, repeating over and over that others are non-compliant, attention-seeking, manipulative, or playing games, without apparent regard to context or motivation.
Individuals with Staff Personality Disorder display persistent use of degradation, ridicule, and violence, either gratuitously or out of proportion to the situation (Criterion 7). Degradation may take the form of degrading language such as "retard" or "psycho", denial or pathologization of the existing identity or roles of others (for instance telling someone that thinking he is a writer is a delusion of grandeur), treating people like children, or assigning humiliating tasks. More advanced forms of degradation involve using elaborate methods to thoroughly confuse a person's sense of reality or self on all levels. Ridicule might include laughing at the aspirations or humiliation of clients, or laughingly dismissing their communication or behavior. Violence includes physical or sexual assault, mechanical restraints, chemical restraints, and solitary confinement. These things may be undertaken gratuitously, on a whim, as a result of boredom or frustration. They may be out of proportion to the situation, such as restraining someone for making eye contact with staff. These things are often justified using the means described in Criterion 3.
More at the link above.
Maybe a complimentary trip to JRC would help.
Camp Eugenics is full right now due to 5 truckloads of Mexicans sent as a prank from Sherriff Joe in AZ.
I really recommend Electroshock Therapy too, although I have never tried it I have heard wonderfull success storys from the relatives of the people who were shocked. This must be proof that Danny has no insight into his own illness.
He needs his loving Family to intervine in his Mental Health problems. ::evil::
I think we should be kind to him while he GATHERS INFORMATION FOR THE BOOK HE IS WRITING AS A PAID ELAN TROLL.
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Once again wanted to clear away the rubble so we can clearly see what I am writing.
You failed. Miserably!
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
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No Anne I have made no point of talking about any of my Elan experiences. Very little have I talked all because of you and folks like you. Anne nobody opens up here.
So, let me get this straight. You're now saying that you haven't been stating that you were an Asst. Dir. at Elan? Have I got that right?
Dip shit I was there in 1973 read, you keep proving what Whooter has always said about you.
No, Danny. I just have the balls to admit when I'm wrong. You have no balls.
Anne you really need to get this through your head once and for all time. I don't care what fornits, Elan posters here or you think of me or about me.
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Oh yes you do!
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Who made up this rule that Danny Bennison because he was staff at 17yrs of age has to watch what he says and the way he acts towards other survivors. Who made this rule,
There is no rule you insipid little twit. It was a suggestion because you were crying about how mean everyone was being to you. *sniffle, sniffle* Awww...poor wittle baby.
I was 17 a bonafied Coordinator.
So are you lying now or were you lying when you said you were Asst. Dir.?
No you folks needed a staff/Director on here never really had one before, so I was good enough.
See!!! I called it! Staff Personality Disorder!!
Well again it is over people take your animosity and shove it. I will act as I have always done since the third day being here. Thanks to Inculcate(kimmy) and Felice.
Ah yes, classic. Blame your behavior on someone else. Nice personal responsibility there bub! What would your sponsor say? :eek:
I thought you would use Rich as a example, stop not only is Rich a friend douche bag,I have much respect for him, I sit as a administrator with him elsewhere. Don't, I mean don't even compare yourself to him or quote any of his experiences. You could not even carry his jock to the gym for him.
Oh just stop it you moronic waste of oxygen. First, I didn't compare myself with Rich. I compared and contrasted how Rich handles himself to how you do. Second, Rich is a dear friend of mine.
Nice speech....
Thanks! I thought so.
I am in Florida right now just down the street from you. Know what I mean. Vacation in Tampa. Short hop, skip and jump from you. Name the place, love to talk with you and your daddy.
All my shit is done face to face you fucking coward bet Matty is sucking on your tit right now.
Please call 404-936-6141 be here till 6/21/10. Be looking fo ya.
Hmmmm, is that a veiled threat? And who is Matty?
Hey do you do this with your family also??????????
Do what?
You do do this to your family, no wonder why your daughter has a problem with you. Control freak.
What the hell are you talking about? Have you seriously had some kind of a breakdown or something? Should we be worried about you?
LOL! Anne, you did not know that Danny has hidden cameras in everybody's household?
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I'm creeping you out....lol. You spread your legs in the open and you have the mouth to go with it.
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What the hell are you talking about? I get the potty mouth reference, but wtf is the spreading the legs deal? This is why people are seriously starting to wonder about your sanity.
LMAO! Danny is one of the craziest MFers I have ever come across...
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Danny, you sick old bastard.. Would you just get your mind out of the gutter?
Anne has not spread her legs in this forum, and I am not wearing a vagina suit. You sure have a one track mind.
Mark T.
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny
Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
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When one is getting "payback" one must realize that it only counts if the other person is truly offended, angered, or outraged.
You've yet to manage any of those three.
Chin chin ol' son
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny
Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
Why would it, it is all you slut. That is your new name, right now I am trying to find a new avatar for you.
Jeesh is a staff/Ass. Director not supposed to say these things, wow does this mean I am abusing you. Please tell me the rules because I am going to break them all. Oh is this AA and programs and steller reps. Anne STFU this is retaliation for all the bullshit you cause and do to people who don't agree with you. You had it coming for a long time. So take it like man and stop being a pussy. Remember......
Danny
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right now I am trying to find a new avatar for you.
And when you find this avatar....tell me. What exactly are you gonna do with it?
Jeesh is a staff/Ass. Director not supposed to say these things,
I can't say whether or not you're "supposed" to say them, but I can say that it is absolutely par for the course for someone with your particular disorder. Again, what a shining example of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
Please tell me the rules because I am going to break them all.
Oh you big, bad rebel you. :rofl: Are you running with scissors too? :eek: :rofl:
So take it like man and stop being a pussy.
Danny
So you're into men? Or maybe bi. That's ok sweetie. There's nothing wrong with that at all. ;D
Remember......
Remember what?
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny
Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
Why would it, it is all you slut. That is your new name, right now I am trying to find a new avatar for you.
Jeesh is a staff/Ass. Director not supposed to say these things, wow does this mean I am abusing you. Please tell me the rules because I am going to break them all. Oh is this AA and programs and steller reps. Anne STFU this is retaliation for all the bullshit you cause and do to people who don't agree with you. You had it coming for a long time. So take it like man and stop being a pussy. Remember......
Danny
Geeeezzzz... Just outta curiousity, Danny, exactly what "filthy names" did Anne call you? Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't recall her ever addressing you with anything akin to the blatantly sexual, psychologically violent, gutter-mouthed barrage that you've unleashed on her. What did she ever do to you, save have the temerity to disagree with you? Wow. :D
And, maybe I'm off-base for saying this, but it doesn't sound like your problem is with Anne per se. I think you might have a problem with women who think for themselves. Perhaps you feel threatened by that? Come to think of it, your tangles with that "pit-bull" Inculcated also come to mind, not to mention Ginger herself...
And do tell: whatever happened to the mother of your children? Ya still haven't answered me on that one...
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Wait wait, this guy was allowed to breed?!
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And, maybe I'm off-base for saying this, but it doesn't sound like your problem is with Anne per se. I think you might have a problem with women who think for themselves. Perhaps you feel threatened by that? Come to think of it, your tangles with that "pit-bull" Inculcated also come to mind...
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Bingo. Been thinking that for a while now. Especially to those suffering from SPD.
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Wait wait, this guy was allowed to breed?!
Scary, huh?
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Oh my little fat panda boy, you forget I had you for lunch and dinner.
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Poor, delusional little guy.
Read Annies post earlier in the day yesterday and the day before when the obscenities were flying.
Yeah, he'd quote 'em for you but he hasn't quite gotten the hang of it yet.
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Oh my little fat panda boy, you forget I had you for lunch and dinner.
The only thing Danny ate was the fat deposit from Arts tub a lard ass.
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Experienced health workers typically gauge envenomation in stages ranging from 0, when there is no evident venom, to 5, when there is a life-threatening amount of venom present. The stages reflect the amount of bruising and swelling around the fang marks and the speed with which that bruising and swelling progresses. In more severe envenomation cases (stage 4 or 5) there may also be proximal symptoms, such as lip-tingling, dizziness, bleeding, vomiting, or shock. Difficulty breathing, paralysis, drooling, and massive haemorrhaging are also common symptoms.
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I do have a one track mind, would you not want to know what is below Annes mouth, if it is anything like here mouth, mommy mia!!!!!......lol.
I would assume, it is her chin, Danny.
But I guess, that I can honestly tell you, in all sincerity, that my mind has never ventured in that direction. This is probably because I have never found any correlation between the words that come out of a woman's mouth(or typed in this case), and "what is below her mouth".
But I am also a very weird person. Try as I may, I simply cannot be aroused by avatars.
I am also a very sick boy who needs a spanky any one....Felice please.
Danny... Danny.. You are slipping old man.. This was a perfect opportunity to post you phone # and address again.
You crazy bastard.. When you are not fantasizing about her naughty avatar, you are thinking about people sucking on her tit, and inviting them over to your place.
OK I'll grow up, on one condition Felice and Anne grow up too. Well Ginger also, stop posting those cheesy web site, Please.
Danny
Seriously, I am just curious.. Would you mind stating your purpose...
Paul
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Danny, you sick old bastard.. Would you just get your mind out of the gutter?
Anne has not spread her legs in this forum, and I am not wearing a vagina suit. You sure have a one track mind.
Mark T.
(You guess the rest)
I do have a one track mind, would you not want to know what is below Annes mouth, if it is anything like here mouth, mommy mia!!!!!......lol.
I am also a very sick boy who needs a spanky any one....Felice please.
OK I'll grow up, on one condition Felice and Anne grow up too. Well Ginger also, stop posting those cheesy web site, Please.
Danny
Sorry Danny I no longer work for an Escort Agency.
I will gaurantee you a Metaphysical spanking though....... :clown:
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http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9468&start=600#p365475
You missed this 3 hours ago because you were looking for a CARTOON CROCH
Be Aware
I am Finished with You :poison:
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http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9468&start=600#p365475
You missed this 3 hours ago because you were looking for a CARTOON CROCH
Be Aware
I am Finished with You :poison:
:roflmao: :roflmao: Yes I thought danny was the king of Being Aware.... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9468&start=600#p365475
You missed this 3 hours ago because you were looking for a CARTOON CROCH
Be Aware
I am Finished with You :poison:
:roflmao: :roflmao: Yes I thought danny was the king of Being Aware.... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Would you quit trying to suck up to Felice it is disgusting.
*Divide and Conquer....lame move spammy.
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http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9468&start=600#p365475
You missed this 3 hours ago because you were looking for a CARTOON CROCH
Be Aware
I am Finished with You :poison:
:roflmao: :roflmao: Yes I thought danny was the king of Being Aware.... :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
Would you quit trying to suck up to Felice it is disgusting.
*Divide and Conquer....lame move spammy.
LMAO Danny your pathetic, is that the only response you got for me...please go lay down and read a book or something productive. :moon:
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Would you quit trying to suck up to Felice it is disgusting.
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Danny, you sick old bastard.. Would you just get your mind out of the gutter?
Anne has not spread her legs in this forum, and I am not wearing a vagina suit. You sure have a one track mind.
Mark T.
(You guess the rest)
I do have a one track mind, would you not want to know what is below Annes mouth, if it is anything like here mouth, mommy mia!!!!!......lol.
I am also a very sick boy who needs a spanky any one....Felice please.
OK I'll grow up, on one condition Felice and Anne grow up too. Well Ginger also, stop posting those cheesy web site, Please.
Danny
Did you learn all of this while being molested as a boy?
Where you molested by a JEWISH CARTOON?
Does insulting EVERYODY help you with your ERECTILE DISFUNCTION?
Why did you drill holes in that paddle Danny?
Why did you drag that girl behind the a Van?
Why did you lie at Michael Skakel's Trial?
How much did you get paid to lie?
Did you feel powerful while torturing kids...especially the Rich ones?
Have you washed the taste of Ken Zaretsky's nasty ol shrivveled dick out of your mouth yet?
When did you become an expert on Judiasm?
Why do you worship a DEAD JEW and call him G-d?
Why do you spend all day on Fornits when ABSOLUTELY NOBODY likes you?
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny
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Just who are you, oh ex staff....asshole.
You made a point of talking A LOT about how you were Asst. Director. That goes a bit beyond a teen counselor caught up in the hype, don't ya think? And the entire attitude that you displayed...who was it, Paul I think, that said you came with the sense that you were the "new sheriff in town" and he was dead on! You were gonna clean up nasty ole Fornits....for it's own good and against it's will.
No Anne I have made no point of talking about any of my Elan experiences. Very little have I talked all because of you and folks like you. Anne nobody opens up here.
Inculcate starts it right off, starts asking me questions about Daytop that I take personal (since I had never been here) so I get defensive
Why on earth would you get defensive about being asked about a place you never attended?
Dip shit I was there in 1973 read, you keep proving what Whooter has always said about you.
(instead of pm'ing me to explain the ropes here, no she cuts me like a piece of meat right out in the open), Felice is asking me to suck Marty dick, that was my third day I think.
Go fucking cry about it ya pussy! THIS is where you need to understand how your presence here, with the "staff" personality you spew out all over anyone and everyone (except your butt buddy Whooter) brings out such anger......You - an Asst. Director of one of the most sadistic and abusive programs is crying about people being mean? About how they're not being nice to you??? Put your big-boy pants on and man the fuck up you spineless piece of shit! I'm sorry, but THAT is EXACTLY why so many people have such a problem with you. Did you ever read Rich's apology to the Straight people? He was also an "executive staff" but I tell ya...he presented himself 180 degrees from how you did and he's ended up well respected for it.
Anne you really need to get this through your head once and for all time. I don't care what fornits, Elan posters here or you think of me or about me. I stopped caring long ago about the staff/director status (I carry this persona that I must be aware of so as not to hurt folks) "fuck-you", who said you, fornits, Felice. Who made up this rule that Danny Bennison because he was staff at 17yrs of age has to watch what he says and the way he acts towards other survivors. Who made this rule, I was 17 a bonafied Coordinator. No you folks needed a staff/Director on here never really had one before, so I was good enough. Well again it is over people take your animosity and shove it. I will act as I have always done since the third day being here. Thanks to Inculcate(kimmy) and Felice.
I thought you would use Rich as a example, stop not only is Rich a friend douche bag,I have much respect for him, I sit as a administrator with him elsewhere. Don't, I mean don't even compare yourself to him or quote any of his experiences. You could not even carry his jock to the gym for him.
Nice speech....
So whatever Antigen on your and Annes little theory, (fornits) melts people down, example today Pile with poster "sad". Could you get any more brutal, sad part he is just play'in a part he invented some time ago. Dude doesn't act like that in real life.
And I highly doubt you do either. You're too much of a crybaby to talk that shit to people face to face. Guaran-damn-teed!!
I am in Florida right now just down the street from you. Know what I mean. Vacation in Tampa. Short hop, skip and jump from you. Name the place, love to talk with you and your daddy.
All my shit is done face to face you fucking coward bet Matty is sucking on your tit right now.
Please call 404-936-6141 be here till 6/21/10. Be looking fo ya.
Acts just like "Sean Hannity", it is a act, Sean is getting paid. Pile is getting paid, vengence (get back) attention and most of all validation.
What the fuck are you babbling about?
Yo Daddy........
Your right if your thinking I'm no different, (I'm going to be worse) to open your eyes to the brutality that goes on here. Keep blaming it on me, most of you folks that have been here the longest Ursus, Anne, ect.....Bravo keep piling it on.
The hostility and brutality towards YOU is because of YOU.
Anne wake up stop with your denial we went through this with the AA posts.
You only show posters how much intelligence you have,really.
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Antigen you probably came here with your ideas, lonely and raging and this opened up to become a vent for you but that is your story.
Yeah.....and.....??
Hey do you do this with your family also??????????
All the studies, analysis's, diagnosis, trials, conferences that you folks post they are the individual or (plural) opinions and stories (if such the case) not ours necessarily.
Not "ours"? Who are you referring to?
You do do this to your family, no wonder why your daughter has a problem with you. Control freak.
A lot of you folks post articles and studies by others and then talk about them like their your experiences (I understand identifying but in reality their not mine)
Ok...I don't think anyone was even remotely attempting to speak for you dear. I don't think we'd know how. :ftard:
Would be nice if you read that again and answered it properly.
, hardly anyone speaks in the "I".
Because we've rehashed our own stories enough.
No you haven't Anne, read your posts. Are you that blind or just hardheaded.
Frankly, I've done enough venting about my own personal pain.
NOooooooooooooooooooooo you have not girl. WHOOooooooo the fuck are you kidding.
Hell, I've been here off and on for damn near 10 years trying to first, figure out my own shit
And what is that supposed to mean, where did you get your help, how did you get your help. Anne I'm sorry to be the only one to say this but STFU. Nobody gets therapy here girl wtf is your problem. This is a one sided conversation where the therapist is yessing you to death. What have you figured out, "How to treat people like shit that don't agree with you", your arrogant sarcastic mouth doesn't help anyone but Sharon. Seriously Anne you push people away not attract. Oh I know, Danny you do it too. "YOUR RIGHT BUT I'M DOING IT ON PURPOSE TO SHOW YOU ASSHOLES WHAT YOU DO TO FOLKS THAT COME HERE TRYING TO FIND HELP. YOU STUBBORN FUCKERS ARE SO SET IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE".
and then later to warn parents and kids about what really happens in the shitpits and offer help, if I can
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What "shitpits", where are they. Are they really there, do we really know that. Anne have you gone out and visited any of the shitpits or has anyone else here. Do we really know what were talking about. Is there a arm to fornits that investigates physically these shitpits. Poses as someone else, at least tries to verify the stories.
That would be a BIG NO........WE SIT AND COPY AND POST WAITING FOR THE NEXT NEW COMER TO COME ALONG AND ENLIGHTEN US TO THE NEW MODALITY SO WE CAN PLUG IT IN TO OUR OLD MODALITY.
Ya Annie girl you keep beat'in the shit out of the new comers especially the ones who say they had a good experience. That works......
Danny
<face palm>
Danny, what do you really mean by the following, just wanna make sure I understand this correctly... Are you saying that you had or have plans on "directing" efforts here on fornits?
"...Anne you really need to get this through your head once and for all time. I don't care what fornits, Elan posters here or you think of me or about me. I stopped caring long ago about the staff/director status (I carry this persona that I must be aware of so as not to hurt folks) "fuck-you", who said you, fornits, Felice. Who made up this rule that Danny Bennison because he was staff at 17yrs of age has to watch what he says and the way he acts towards other survivors. Who made this rule, I was 17 a bonafied Coordinator. No you folks needed a staff/Director on here never really had one before, so I was good enough."[/list]
And is this how the former Asst. Director teaches us how to have manners when we post?
And what is that supposed to mean, where did you get your help, how did you get your help. Anne I'm sorry to be the only one to say this but STFU. Nobody gets therapy here girl wtf is your problem. This is a one sided conversation where the therapist is yessing you to death. What have you figured out, "How to treat people like shit that don't agree with you", your arrogant sarcastic mouth doesn't help anyone but Sharon. Seriously Anne you push people away not attract. Oh I know, Danny you do it too. "YOUR RIGHT BUT I'M DOING IT ON PURPOSE TO SHOW YOU ASSHOLES WHAT YOU DO TO FOLKS THAT COME HERE TRYING TO FIND HELP. YOU STUBBORN FUCKERS ARE SO SET IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE".[/list]
And last but not least, is this yet another one of your thinly disguised threats?
I am in Florida right now just down the street from you. Know what I mean. Vacation in Tampa. Short hop, skip and jump from you. Name the place, love to talk with you and your daddy.
All my shit is done face to face you fucking coward bet Matty is sucking on your tit right now.
Please call 404-936-6141 be here till 6/21/10. Be looking fo ya[/u][/i][/size].[/b][/list]
Danny threatens a woman on fornits
:beat: :beat: :beat: :beat: :beat: :beat: :beat:
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny
Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny
Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
:bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump:
Wrong again you abusive asswipe. He would say "Jane, you IGNORANT slut"
When you attempt to sound funny, get the lines right stupid
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Ok, I'm just going to pile on here since this latest seems to fit an already established pattern.
I'm posting this up just in case anything funky actually happens to me. But also just cause I'm a little perplexed by a logical conundrum.
Ok, Danny, you're sharp enough to pick up on my precise meaning of that one quote of mine. And yet you haven't got down the simple logic of holding something back to back your demand?
1) You cop to being a sociopath
2) You demand that I keep secret whatever you say to me
3) You put me on notice that I've already made an enemy of you no matter what I do
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Where's my incentive to keep quiet?
And you wonder why I'm not falling all over myself trying to help you with a writing project???
Really??!
:timeout:
So you don't get help with your project and you don't get my silence either. How could you miss that? Did the content of that article throw you so far off balance that all sense and reason went out the window? Or maybe you're after something else entirely? As no one can truly know the mind of another, the world may never know. But my pet theory is that the good doctor was spot on in at least that one observation and you demonstrate so very well the character and personality of the Program.
:nods:
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Danny and his writing projects have gotten more women abused than binge drinking
Go Go Rach had to leave her house
Shame on you Danny
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Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
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Why would it, it is all you slut. That is your new name, right now I am trying to find a new avatar for you.
Jeesh is a staff/Ass. Director not supposed to say these things, wow does this mean I am abusing you. Please tell me the rules because I am going to break them all. Oh is this AA and programs and steller reps. Anne STFU this is retaliation for all the bullshit you cause and do to people who don't agree with you. You had it coming for a long time. So take it like man and stop being a pussy. Remember......
Danny[/quote]
Danny the dick sucker says he's a survivor?
Then Hitler is a Holocaust survivor
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He'll say it was contrived if I don't quote it correctly
Contrived means made up Danny :beat:
Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny[/quote]
Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
[/quote]
Why would it, it is all you slut. That is your new name, right now I am trying to find a new avatar for you.
Jeesh is a staff/Ass. Director not supposed to say these things, wow does this mean I am abusing you. Please tell me the rules because I am going to break them all. Oh is this AA and programs and steller reps. Anne STFU this is retaliation for all the bullshit you cause and do to people who don't agree with you. You had it coming for a long time. So take it like man and stop being a pussy. Remember......
Danny[/quote]
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Dude, you need to learn how to quote
But thank you
Danny the survivor :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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:suicide: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide: :suicide:
Danny is dead. Drunk driving wreck
Felice guessed the time and date, but she had suicide as a cause
We're checking the reports for skid marks
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I had suicide by cop, but I had the time and date right
Danny fucks everything up
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Anne still waiting to here when you,daddy and I are going to meet face to face. I promise I will not be crying.
Danny
Please expound on this. You make sick, sexual comments towards me....tell me that you're, what was it "a hop, skip and a jump" away from me and have been verbally abusive to me. Are you threatening me? Just trying to clarify the situation. Should I be scared?
Hell ya you better be scared, I would be for sure. Hey if I had been threatened, verbally abused, had sick sexual comments hurled at me, I would be. One thing though they happened no doubt but not all in that order or together. As a matter of fact many of these comment were made after you had been a filthy vulger little slut...lol. Anne you have verbally abused me as you do whooter (then you justify it), called me filthy names ect...
Just reminds me of when Dan Akroid(misspelled) used to say to Jane Curtain during the nightly news report on SNL, they would be debating a point, Jane would go first then just before his rebuttal he would say, "Jane you stupid slut".....lol. Just cracked me up. Not because of the obvious it was just something you never heard on television in 1975/76. Shocking.....
What I'd really be scared about that you would put a avatar up like this, a women who has her legs spread. It is inviting attacks. Plus doesn't say much about you....slut. Oh I'm sorry just that SNL thing going on.
Nice yakking with ya,
bye bye
Danny
Just making sure that doesn't magically disappear.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. What a stellar representation of what programs and AA can do for (to) a person.
:bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump: :bump:
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I was dismissed for a relationship with a resdient who was 19 yeqrs old. Her brothers hated me, so it didn't work out, and I was hurt deeply.
::puke::
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David Eldert wrote:
Danny was fired from Elan for sexual affarirs with residents. Joe flipped out, called him a rapist. Said he could lose his license
I remember that scumbag. He molested children