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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 17, 2005, 05:52:00 AM
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http://www.youthprograms.com (http://www.youthprograms.com)
This place was first mentioned here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =9&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5831&forum=9&start=0)
This is the first time I have actually seen it advertized.
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The website is: http://www.pillarsofhope.com (http://www.pillarsofhope.com)
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I've heard WWASP won't acknowledge that POH is theirs. Seems to be their new modus operandi-- opening up new gulags, without the brand name.
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WWASP does not want to claim any of the facilities. They are trying hard to disociate all of the facilities with the WWASP name because of the bad publicity. Of course they need some new facilities quickly because of the closures in Mexico. This is such a corrupt organization. They are truly more interested in money than the children.
Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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How do they get a "KID" age 18 and over to go to and stay at this facility? It does not appear to be a lock-down facility.
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some kids over 18 see they need intervention, it's thier choice, and a lot of over 18 y.o. are beginning to see where their life is going nowhere or downhill without help. Help...what a concept!
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On 2005-05-17 19:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"some kids over 18 see they need intervention, it's thier choice, and a lot of over 18 y.o. are beginning to see where their life is going nowhere or downhill without help. Help...what a concept! "
That makes sense. A lot of kids come to their senses and take control over their lives as they get older and mature. I don't agree, however, with you implication that Ivy Ridge is helping anyone. Ivy Ridge is a gulag, a private prison, designed to break their spirit and get them to succumb to WWASP's ideology. That's it. Nothing else.
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On 2005-05-17 15:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do they get a "KID" age 18 and over to go to and stay at this facility? It does not appear to be a lock-down facility."
Have you never heard of the "exit plan". By the time they reach 18 many kids are so mindfucked that life in the cult seems preferable to life on the streets.
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is this on the same property as dundee was before it was shut down?
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On 2005-05-18 03:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"is this on the same property as dundee was before it was shut down?"
Yes
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So, dundee ranch part deux.
I hope Costa Rica crawls right up their asses. I really cant believe they were able to pull this shit after the previous end of dundee!It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson
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Who said Pillars of Hope belongs to WWASP?
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On 2005-05-31 17:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who said Pillars of Hope belongs to WWASP?
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Lichfield is the leading investor in Pillars of Hope.
The director of POH is going to be Harold Dabel, who was part of the managing team at Dundee.
They're leasing the property from Narvin.
POH is yet another WWASP gulag, no doubt about it.
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I hate the Orwellian names they come up with for these prisons. :roll:
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On 2005-06-01 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hate the Orwellian names they come up with for these prisons. :roll: "
Yeah, the names are insane... "Paradise Cove", "Pillars of Hope", "Majestic Ranch", "Tranquility Bay"... I wonder who comes up with them in the first place.
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Dundee was in Costa Rica and Ivy Ridge is in New York. GEOGRAPHY LESSON:
One is located within the U.S and the other one is located outside the U.S.
Duh!
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not all exit plans are as bad as people say i have seen girls leave at the age of 18 and their parents have paid for their first 6 months apartment and car bills and even helped them get a job...
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got $15 bucks and a ride to a homeless shelter.
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On 2005-06-01 11:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, the names are insane... "Paradise Cove", "Pillars of Hope", "Majestic Ranch", "Tranquility Bay"... I wonder who comes up with them in the first place. "
Coincidentally or not, the same people who come up w/ fruity development names in Florida. Pine ridge, where the 'ridge' is a 6' peak and the pines have long since been burned out. Coral Springs, a Westinghouse planned community where there are no springs and the ocean is 10 mi away. Whispering Pines (what are they whispering about? and is that laughter? I didn't even know pines could laugh!)
I'm not kidding, though. H. Wayne Huizenga and Mel Sembler are a couple of the big wheel developers in Florida. And they're both affiliated w/ Straight inc and it's offshoots.
Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion...in private self-defense...
-- John Adams, (1788)
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On 2005-06-11 13:53:00, Exit Plan wrote:
"got $15 bucks and a ride to a homeless shelter."
I got nothing! An ultimatum; sign yourself into the other Straight, Inc. in town or walk out the door w/ the clothes on my back and don't come begging for anything.
I actually think I got the better deal than most ppl. It was clear and unambiguous. Whatever I had was mine and no one could take it away.If you think about why you hate me, you might find that it's not me.
--Antigen
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On 2005-05-18 01:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-05-17 15:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do they get a "KID" age 18 and over to go to and stay at this facility? It does not appear to be a lock-down facility."
Have you never heard of the "exit plan". By the time they reach 18 many kids are so mindfucked that life in the cult seems preferable to life on the streets."
your exit plan....
1) you stay and graduate
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2)you get a bus ticket to the nearest homless shelter. No coming home. Oh yah... you pay for the bus ticket.
How does that sound to u. I;d rather stay in a place with a bed and food. Im not mindfucked. Im smart. Do you know in a homless shelter you cant stay during the day, most ppl become prostetues, and even then your not gaurenteed a place a night to sleep. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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"You" don't get a kid 18 or over to go. They go on their own because they want to get help.
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On 2005-06-15 10:07:00, leleNtom wrote:
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On 2005-05-18 01:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-05-17 15:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do they get a "KID" age 18 and over to go to and stay at this facility? It does not appear to be a lock-down facility."
Have you never heard of the "exit plan". By the time they reach 18 many kids are so mindfucked that life in the cult seems preferable to life on the streets."
your exit plan....
1) you stay and graduate
or
2)you get a bus ticket to the nearest homless shelter. No coming home. Oh yah... you pay for the bus ticket.
How does that sound to u. I;d rather stay in a place with a bed and food. Im not mindfucked. Im smart. Do you know in a homless shelter you cant stay during the day, most ppl become prostetues, and even then your not gaurenteed a place a night to sleep. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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Sounds like you are mindfucked. You prefer a place where you are being beaten, tortured, and brainwashed to a place where you may not have much, but you will have your freedom. You are too far gone.
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On 2005-06-15 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
""You" don't get a kid 18 or over to go. They go on their own because they want to get help. "
WWASP doesn't offer help. It offers hell.
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which wwasp school are u reffering to? my school to refer anything.
Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.
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On 2005-06-15 10:40:00, leleNtom wrote:
"which wwasp school are u reffering to? my school to refer anything. Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.
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Are you referring to my "WWASP offers hell" comment? I'm not referring to any particular "schools". I'm talking about the program as whole. WWASP offers abuse, torture, and eventually, submission to the Holy Program and thought reform. It takes a real mindfuck to get anyone to refer to that as "help".
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help is someone doing something for u.. id say assistance cuz csa never did shit for me.. i had to do it for myself
It sucks when decent, hardworking people get screwed over like that. Because that means pricks like us don?t stand a chance.
Jim S. watching the devastation of the recent tsunami on the television at JR?s
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On 2005-06-15 10:07:00, leleNtom wrote:
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On 2005-05-18 01:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-05-17 15:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do they get a "KID" age 18 and over to go to and stay at this facility? It does not appear to be a lock-down facility."
Have you never heard of the "exit plan". By the time they reach 18 many kids are so mindfucked that life in the cult seems preferable to life on the streets."
your exit plan....
1) you stay and graduate
or
2)you get a bus ticket to the nearest homless shelter. No coming home. Oh yah... you pay for the bus ticket.
How does that sound to u. I;d rather stay in a place with a bed and food. Im not mindfucked. Im smart. Do you know in a homless shelter you cant stay during the day, most ppl become prostetues, and even then your not gaurenteed a place a night to sleep. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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I took my exit plan, 15 bucks and a ride to the homeless shelter, and I am SOOOOO glad I did. It was difficult at the time, but did wonders for restoring my own sense of self back. I know the program fills you full of rumors about the horrors of taking your exit plan, but it really isn't as terrible as they make it seem.
FUCK WWASP for making it difficult though. They stripped me of everything I had, and watched me get dressed.. in an attempt to keep me from having any phone numbers or anything. Fuck them, I still remembered a few numbers. WWASP is evil, and the fact they can talk your parents into deserting you when you are an ADULT !! :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: is even more crazy. I still can't believe they got my dad to make me take my exit plan, it still pisses me off to this day. When you get near the age of 18, they send your parents a special packet on exit plans, to convince them to pull the old 'homeless shelter and no money' routing. WWASP hates it when parents give the kid 6 months apartment and cash, ironic isn't it.
FUCK WWASP :skull:
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true. luckily i got out before then. what school did u go to?
"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."
"That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
--Disraeli to Gladstone
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spring creek lodge 2000-2001
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are you the other person im talking to in the other post?
What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.
-- Sigmund Freud
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On 2005-06-15 11:09:00, leleNtom wrote:
"are you the other person im talking to in the other post?What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.
-- Sigmund Freud
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that was a dumb question... dont answer itHe that will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave.
--William Drummond (1585-1640)
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How do they get a "KID" age 18 and over to go to and stay at this facility? It does not appear to be a lock-down facility.
well you see there is this thing called a exit plan, and its how the kids get out, once they turn 18 they can leave any time they want, yet only under these conditions. My friends exit plan was she would be given 200 dollars and a bus ticket to anywhere but a place in Georgia, which is where she lives. So basicly they dont let you go home, if you decide to they "mind fuck" , im starting to like that term, you and wont let you go home, basicly they set you up for failure without them. Continuing on some one at the school my friend was at acually told her that she would be arrested if she left and went home after she was 18.I tried for years to live according to everyone else's morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.
---Albert Camus