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Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/htm ... _TEENS.asp (http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/html/20050719T230000-0500_84514_OBS_COPS_SEARCH_FOR_TWO_TRANQUILITY_BAY_TEENS.asp)

Observer Reporter
Wednesday, July 20, 2005
 
The St Elizabeth police yesterday intensified their search for two American teenaged boys who left the Tranquility Bay boarding school in St Elizabeth without permission last Saturday during the passage of Hurricane Emily.

The boys, Christopher John Chuchua, 18, of California and 16-year-old Tyler Stout, also of California, reportedly left the school's compound without permission on Saturday and have not returned since.

Constabulary Communication Network (CCN) officer for St Elizabeth, Constable Angella Williams, told the Observer last night that the Pedro Plains police were informed by members of the Tranquility Bay staff that the two young Americans "ran away" from the boarding school Saturday, during the hurricane.

Director of the Tranquility Bay boarding school Jay Kay last night appealed to anyone with knowledge of the two youngsters' whereabouts to inform the police or get in touch with the school.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2005, 07:16:00 AM
I hope they'll be able to get away... good luck to them.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on July 20, 2005, 08:52:00 AM
Damn, look at that, no word on what it is, no word on the kids names, no word on the FACT THAT THE FUCKING SCHOOL IS A ABUSE CENTER  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

FUCK JAMAICA WHEN I'M PRESIDENT I'M BLOWING IT THE FUCK UP.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2005, 09:03:00 AM
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Christopher John Chuchua, 18, of California

Wait a minute.  The cops are tracking down an 18-year-old?
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2005, 09:15:00 AM
ran away?  could they have been swept away by Emily?

maybe wwasp lies again?  maybe pepper-spray jay lies again?
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2005, 09:23:00 AM
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On 2005-07-20 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Christopher John Chuchua, 18, of California

Wait a minute.  The cops are tracking down an 18-year-old?"


I was wondering the same thing?!??!

I remember reading somewhere, in the foreign programs, for some reason they are not required to release you until you reach 23. That is, unless your parents come and get you first. They don't have passports or money, it's only a matter of time until they are caught. That is why these foreign programs are so fucked up. What if they aren't caught? What if they end up dead?  :sad:

Good luck guys, I hope you never have to see TB again and make it wherever you are trying to go. Good luck, wherever you are.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on July 20, 2005, 09:43:00 AM
Maybe if they get to the American Embassy they could talk to the Council and get home. And they could tell the guy whats going on... I dont think a honest person would let a place like that stand, and hopefully the embassy guy is honest.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2005, 10:24:00 AM
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On 2005-07-20 06:43:00, OverLordd wrote:

"Maybe if they get to the American Embassy they could talk to the Council and get home. And they could tell the guy whats going on... I dont think a honest person would let a place like that stand, and hopefully the embassy guy is honest."


Don't count on it. The embassy there is on WWASPS' side. They cover up for them all the time. I can't really remember where I read it, but I remember a story about a boy who managed to run away from TB, and get to the embassy. He was put on a jeep and driven back to the gulag.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on July 20, 2005, 11:06:00 AM
Damn, when im pres, that ambassador is so fired out the ass. Then im going to revoke his citizenship and put him on the no fly list... hehe there is vengance for you.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2005, 11:56:00 AM
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On 2005-07-20 07:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-07-20 06:43:00, OverLordd wrote:


"Maybe if they get to the American Embassy they could talk to the Council and get home. And they could tell the guy whats going on... I dont think a honest person would let a place like that stand, and hopefully the embassy guy is honest."




Don't count on it. The embassy there is on WWASPS' side. They cover up for them all the time. I can't really remember where I read it, but I remember a story about a boy who managed to run away from TB, and get to the embassy. He was put on a jeep and driven back to the gulag. "


JUSTIN BONJOURNO

Not sure on the spelling, but he was a kid who escaped from TB a few years ago and for awhile, hid out with some locals.

Anybody know what ever happened to him?

 :smokin:
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 20, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
The 18 y/o could go home at least. However, the 16 yo is probably S.O.L.

Hopefully he could get out, find us, and tell the world whats going on FRESH out of that damn place, and shut up all the programmie asshles once and for all.

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?

--Felton Manifestation

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: BuzzKill on July 23, 2005, 02:20:00 PM
//and shut up all the programmie asshles once and for all.//

Well that would be nice - but it not going to happen. There are plenty of kids who came out fresh explaining the realities of life in "the Program". They are poo-pooed away just like every other critic.
Their just half baked, ya know - so they are still lying, manipulators with an agenda.
Even when grads,(who one would assume are Fully Baked) explain these realities, it is discounted by the Legions of Faithful.
They'll say the grad is still stuck in their "victim" mindset - or some other trite and pat excuse to discount them.
There are always going to be Programmed persons you will never get threw to. Same as with any cult.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 23, 2005, 09:24:00 PM
So they go into Dr.Phil mode :exclaim:) and debunk them? We let them get away with it WAY too much.

I really think someone shoudl make an "unofficial", unendorsed FAQ about how to talk to a programmie so the newbies here know whats up.

I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
-- Dorothy Werner, media liaison for the National Homeschool Association

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Antigen on July 24, 2005, 04:16:00 AM
To any program parents reading, think about this for a moment. You have sacrificed much--much of your own and much on behalf of your very own flesh and blood on the new paraidigm --"trust the program".

You probably accepted a longer stay, more money and more obligations and restrictions than you initially thought would be required. Now your very own child has, according to the Program, demonstrated accomplishment enough to be trusted and allowed to communicate w/ you or, even, to come home with you.

Trust your child! Trust what you know about your baby. If they're not happy, ask. If they lie, ask again. If they give you a good reason--one that meets the test of Occom's Razor--to think something's up, something's up.

Trust me on this, cause you know it's the truth. Your child will be your child long after your newfound Program buddies have forgotten your name and your face.

Life is like a shit sandwich; the more bread you got, the less shit you gotta eat.
--Anonymous



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Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Antigen on July 24, 2005, 04:34:00 AM
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On 2005-07-23 18:24:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

I really think someone shoudl make an "unofficial", unendorsed FAQ about how to talk to a programmie so the newbies here know whats up.


Do it!

Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: YuckFou on July 24, 2005, 06:58:00 PM
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On 2005-07-20 16:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"The 18 y/o could go home at least. However, the 16 yo is probably S.O.L.



Hopefully he could get out, find us, and tell the world whats going on FRESH out of that damn place, and shut up all the programmie asshles once and for all.

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?

--Felton Manifestation

"


They will completely discount the students testimony anyways. Because they haven't 'graduated' the program they aren't credible according to program parents. The fact they ran obviously shows how they feel about the program. Risking death in a foreign country, basically with no hope of escape-- and still they ran. Kind of makes you wonder.. :question: Well, at least us normal folk.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: The Liger on July 24, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
Don't they even tell parents to do the tough love thing with 18-year-olds and refuse to pay for a plane ticket?  Here's $20.  Good luck finding your way out of butt-fuck Jamaica.

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On 2005-07-20 16:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"The 18 y/o could go home at least. However, the 16 yo is probably S.O.L.



Hopefully he could get out, find us, and tell the world whats going on FRESH out of that damn place, and shut up all the programmie asshles once and for all.

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?

--Felton Manifestation

"
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 25, 2005, 06:02:00 AM
What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 25, 2005, 06:08:00 AM
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On 2005-07-25 03:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor

"

Surely if push came to shove you could just get yourself deported as an illegal immigrant.  Most countries require the airline that took you there to foot the bill.  Maybe that would make them a little more choosy about who they carry.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: tommyfromhyde1 on July 29, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
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On 2005-07-25 03:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-07-25 03:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


"What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor

"


Surely if push came to shove you could just get yourself deported as an illegal immigrant.  Most countries require the airline that took you there to foot the bill.  Maybe that would make them a little more choosy about who they carry."

If you're 18 then the US consulate has to give
you a ticket back to the US I belive. They take
your passport away until you pay them back for it.

Q. I simply ask, why is PUNISHMENT the solution with regards to the narrow group of behaviors which encompass illegal drug use....?

A.Pharmaceutical Business, both legal and illegal, run by the same people either way, money coming to the middle from both ends.  Bush.
Bill Gallagher

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: tommyfromhyde1 on July 29, 2005, 04:11:00 PM
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On 2005-07-24 15:58:00, YuckFou wrote:


They will completely discount the students testimony anyways. Because they haven't 'graduated' the program they aren't credible according to program parents.

This is a common response from many programs.
Someone just posted on the Hyde board that
anyone who hasn't finished Senior Year just
doesn't know what they're talking about.
riiight.

This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!
         
Adolph Hitler

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 29, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
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On 2005-07-29 13:05:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:

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On 2005-07-25 03:08:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-07-25 03:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:



"What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor

"




Surely if push came to shove you could just get yourself deported as an illegal immigrant.  Most countries require the airline that took you there to foot the bill.  Maybe that would make them a little more choosy about who they carry."


If you're 18 then the US consulate has to give

you a ticket back to the US I belive. They take

your passport away until you pay them back for it.

Q. I simply ask, why is PUNISHMENT the solution with regards to the narrow group of behaviors which encompass illegal drug use....?

A.Pharmaceutical Business, both legal and illegal, run by the same people either way, money coming to the middle from both ends.  Bush.
Bill Gallagher

"


Yes, if you are over 18 you can request a passport from the US Embassy.  They will also assist you with funds to return you the U.S.

Barbe
TAUSA
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 30, 2005, 05:50:00 AM
Barbe - is the embassy required to do so if requested? Is it required to notify 18 year olds in TB of this?

AFAIK, they dont  :???:

"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."
 "That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
--Disraeli to Gladstone

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 30, 2005, 07:55:00 AM
Apparently there are some terrorists who are jamaican lately... supposedly the shoebomber was half jamaican or something, and somehow the latest bombings in london can be traced there.

Im sure when its politically expedient WWASPS will wipe its hands clean of TB, Jay Kay will run with his tail between his legs and use TB to villify Jamaica along with the few terrorists that are traced to that island  :roll: nevermind that the good ole US of A set up the torture camp there in the first place and the terrorism is unrelated and its propbably a tenuous connection at best.

But, hey, at least as a side effect there wont be anyone else sent to TB from here! They'll just find another place to set up their 10th circle of hell for children, however  :sad:

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
IF I joined the Air Force, how long until they'd let me fly a fully loaded bomber you think?  :lol:
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 11:34:00 AM
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On 2005-07-30 02:50:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Barbe - is the embassy required to do so if requested? Is it required to notify 18 year olds in TB of this?



AFAIK, they dont  :???:

"I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease."
 "That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
--Disraeli to Gladstone

"


Hi Niles,

I am not sure what the US Embassy is doing or not doing in Jamaica.  I know in Samoa, it took a lot of effort by myself and others (including 2 trips to the South Pacific that I made in 1999) to convince the charge d'affairs to step up the number of visits to the behavior mod camps and conduct welfare checks of American expatriates notifying them of their rights.

http://www.starbulletin.com/1999/09/29/ ... .html#jump (http://www.starbulletin.com/1999/09/29/news/story2.html#jump)

Printed below is some information you and others might find useful.  This is the revised fact sheet, the original one mentioned in the article above was first published and put online in May 1999.  It was very similar, except for the emphasis on the age at which a child may apply for a passport without their parents permission (14 years old).

Has I been in Jamaica when these teens ran, I would have made sure they were interviewed by the US Embassy and made aware of their rights as US Citizens (14 years and older) living abroad.

Does anyone know if these boys were allowed to talk to the US Embassy????

As a sidenote, I would like to emphasize that if a teen is COURT ORDERED to stay at TB but is 18 years or older, he/she has the right to return to the US and contest the court order.  This was told to me by the Charge d'affair from the US Embassy in Samoa. ADULTS can not be institutionalized without due-process.

FACT SHEET: BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION FACILITIES

In almost every region of the world, there are facilities for the treatment of minor children with drug/alcohol and/or discipline problems. These private and state-owned overseas treatment centers can often be characterized as "Behavior Modification Facilities." Parents/guardians enroll their minor children in these facilities in the hope they will improve their problematic behavior.

Some facilities request parents/guardians to sign a contract for their minor child''s treatment authorizing its staff to act as their agents. These contracts purport to give staff very broad authority to take any actions deemed necessary, in the staff''s judgment, for the health, welfare and progress in the child''s program. The facilities can be located in relatively remote areas, restrict the minor child''s contact with the outside world, and employ a system of graduated levels of earned privileges and punishments to stimulate behavior change. The minor child''s communication privileges may also be limited.

The Department of State has no authority to regulate these entities, whether they are private or state-owned, and does not maintain information about their corporate or legal structures or their relationships to each other or to organizations in the United States. The host country where the facility is located is solely responsible for compliance with any local safety, health, sanitation, and educational laws and regulations, including all licensing requirements of the staff in that country. These standards may not be strictly enforced or meet the standards of similar facilities in the United States. The Department of State has, at various times, received complaints about nutrition, housing, education, health issues, and methods of punishment used at some facilities.

Prior to enrolling their minor children in such overseas "Behavior Modification Facilities," the Department of State strongly recommends parents/guardians visit the facility and thoroughly inform themselves about both the facility and the host country''s rules governing it and its employees. The Department of State also encourages parents/guardians and facility administrators to ensure that all U.S. citizen enrollees are registered with the nearest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in case emergency consular services are needed.

U.S. consular officials are not qualified to determine whether the programs offered by the facilities are of therapeutic benefit to the enrollees. When aware of such facilities, U.S. consular officials conduct periodic facility visits, sometimes accompanied by host country officials, to monitor the general welfare of the U.S. citizen enrollees.

Inquiries into the welfare and whereabouts of U.S. citizen enrollees may be initiated by contacting the closest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in the host country or the Department of State''s Overseas Citizens Services (OCS) office at the below telephone number. Also, parents may contact the closest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in the host country to inquire about the facility or speak to the Department of State''s Bureau of Consular Affairs'' OCS Specialist for that country (Tel.: 202-647-5226 or, for after hours emergencies, 202-647-5225).

The Federal Privacy Act protects U.S. citizens, including minor children, from the unauthorized disclosure of information that the U.S. Government has collected and maintained about them unless the U.S. citizen has consented in writing to the release of the information or one of the Privacy Act''s "conditions of disclosure" permits the U.S. Government to release the otherwise protected information.

While parents/guardians may at times act in loco parentis for their minor children and obtain information that is otherwise protected by the Privacy Act, it must also be noted that minor children''s explicit wishes must be respected. Thus, a U.S. consular officer who has been advised by a minor child that s/he does not want any information released to an inquiring parent/guardian should honor those wishes absent the presence of circumstances affecting the health or safety of the minor child (i.e., one of the "conditions of disclosure"). Parents/guardians should be aware that U.S. citizens 14 years of age and older have the right to apply for a passport without their parents''/guardian''s permission. In extreme emergency situations, they may also request repatriation assistance from the U.S. Government without parental consent.

January 2004

Barbe
TAUSA
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 11:50:00 AM
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On 2005-07-30 08:12:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Why wait that long? I think we should pull together some boodle hire a boat and go torch the dump ourselves.



What a theraputic holiday for a few of you survivors, I will as long as I get to use the flame thrower.



"


Count me in!   :tup:
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 30, 2005, 12:04:00 PM
Why not get some people together, go to Jamaica, and raise some hell? We could hook into the "war on terror" or the "global struggle against extremeism" (I just love the doublespeak :grin:) and talk about how unsafe our children are in Jamaica being manhandled in a facility accused of being abusive while we catch jamaicans in london and the shoebomber being half jamaican...

Hey, its being lowest common denominator, but if THEY say the means justify the ends why cant we  :wink:

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 12:12:00 PM
I'm dead serious. If anyone here puts together a protest or anything at a WWASP facility I will be there. It would be great if we could get the press out there. And a bunch of ex-students. Man.. that would be great.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 12:20:00 PM
I think one way to help get the word out would be to show up in Jamaica and demand the US Embassy do their job.  Make them go out to TB (unannounced) with a stack of Privacy Act waivers so they can conduct a welfare check on all the teens.  As long as the teens sign the waiver, then the US Embassy can release the "confidential" information obtained from the teen to interested parties (such as advocates, siblings, relatives, etc.)

The key is to request a welfare check and obtain a signed waiver. I know this can be done because I did it myself in Samoa. I also helped 3 18 year old teens who ran away from a program get back to the U.S. 1 of whom was assisted by the US State Department with airfare as the teen's parents wanted nothing to do with her and would not give her any money.  This was an extreme case (not related to WWASPS) but I have heard of parents being "coached" to tell their teen they are on their own if they quit a program without their consent.  

Hope this helps.

Barbe
TAUSA
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
WWASP not only encourages it, they tell you exactly how to do it with this handy training material!  :roll:

http://www.parentsupportservices.com/in ... -20-04.pdf (http://www.parentsupportservices.com/includes/files/Exit%20Plan%2010-20-04.pdf)
{this is a 18kb PDF file. good idea to right click the link and open in a new window}


Written by none other than David Gilcrease himself!
(http://http://fornits.com/anonanon/images/Gilcrease.jpg)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =44#117415 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10894&forum=44#117415)
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 30, 2005, 04:44:00 PM
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww I wanna blooooooow it up  :smokin:

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on July 30, 2005, 09:56:00 PM
what kind of name is Jay Kay anyway?  Anyone whose name sounds like initials should not be trusted.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on July 31, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
I happen to LIKE Kimchi. Anywho, Im gonna need to find out when this trip is gonna happen, now we're gonna fund this, and when we're leaving - I got college classes :razz:

There are not enough jails, not enough policemen, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people.
-- HUBERT H. HUMPHREY, speech (1965)

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on August 01, 2005, 12:01:00 AM
Its quiet possable, a quick take over of a facilty, elemination of a few choice people. # hours max, cut the phone lines, and boom, we have them for as long as we want. A few hours max, but then we are back in the junggle with the heads we took and the bodies we left behind. It would cost alot of cash, but it can be done. I planed one for CSA with 6 guys, I did not get to carry it out though, I decided that I wold not have a good enough way to not be discovered. In that country though, we could be out of the country before any one knew what was going on.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
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On 2005-07-31 21:01:00, OverLordd wrote:

"Its quiet possable, a quick take over of a facilty, elemination of a few choice people. # hours max, cut the phone lines, and boom, we have them for as long as we want. A few hours max, but then we are back in the junggle with the heads we took and the bodies we left behind. It would cost alot of cash, but it can be done. I planed one for CSA with 6 guys, I did not get to carry it out though, I decided that I wold not have a good enough way to not be discovered. In that country though, we could be out of the country before any one knew what was going on."


 :lol: Damn.. thats crazy.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on August 01, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
Yeah I know its crazy. Is the jamaican army stationed out there? I mean this place is out in them middle of no where right. If I were to do this they should not have the reaction time, we are talking a army here, to be able to stop us. Plus come on, its the Jamaican army, shot back.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on August 01, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
Hehe, I'll take it under advisement Waygookin.
 :grin:
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
Why not? All we need is a few million dollars worth of the latest defense equipment, helicopters, pilots, trained soldiers..  :roll:  :roll:  :lol:
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 02:30:00 PM
TB will never shut down unless and until the Jamaican government wants them outta there.  Best thing anyone can do is hope these kids have someone on the outside waiting to help them deal with the fallout of growing up in a place like TB.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 01, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
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On 2005-08-01 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why not? All we need is a few million dollars worth of the latest defense equipment, helicopters, pilots, trained soldiers..  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

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Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on August 02, 2005, 10:26:00 AM
I'm sure there is some one on fornits that has military expariance. I mean im going to be a officer in the military once I get through trainning in college. There are people here that went through the 80's and even some 70s guys... I'm sure there are some soliders some where.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 02, 2005, 11:15:00 AM
A SWAT team would be able to do that effectively, TSW. But again, it would be bedlam if someone actually tried an armed invasion of the compound. Taking into account the higher levels and stockholm syndrome, it would get messy real fast.

I still say its a matter of time until the 'terrer' risks get Jay Kay the boot.

I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.
--Robert Frost, American poet

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 02, 2005, 02:22:00 PM
Why take the high road? Id rather find a voodoo witchdoctor and get a voodoo doll made for Jay Kay. Then hand him over to someone to tie it into knots to emulate the restraint hes done to children and rub chilis into its face :razz:

Necessity never made a good bargain
--Benjamin Franklin Apr. 1734

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on August 02, 2005, 02:55:00 PM
And how would we pull of his snach and grab three springs?

Oh, and I did think about the stockhome syndrome thing, we would have to bring non-leathal weapons to put down those that decide its better to stick with the losing team.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: YuckFou on August 02, 2005, 03:01:00 PM
If you went to the facility itself to break the kids out, pandomonium would break out as soon as everyone knew what was happening. I doubt it would work... just my opinion though.

Now, if you kidnapped Jay Kay for instance, or people he cares about-- and forced him to shut the camps down to save his life, that might work. But again , theyd be open again as soon as you are caught and jailed.

They have the support of the government, and law enforcement officials.

We stand no chance against that.

The only way is for the law to be on our side, otherwise we'd all be fucked royally.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: OverLordd on August 03, 2005, 01:43:00 AM
wow, this keeps getting harder and harder.  :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Troll Control on August 03, 2005, 12:19:00 PM
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On 2005-08-02 07:26:00, OverLordd wrote:

"I'm sure there is some one on fornits that has military expariance. I mean im going to be a officer in the military once I get through trainning in college. There are people here that went through the 80's and even some 70s guys... I'm sure there are some soliders some where."

Looking for a mercenary?  Have gun, will travel...
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on August 03, 2005, 02:18:00 PM
This is all a waste of time. The shoe bomber and some people from the latest UK commuter bombnigs can be traced to jamaica in various ways, so just play off of the fear and sentiment and get parents to quit sending their kids off to a dangerous carribean island for a RTC.

Hey, they'd just be stuck in another one, but god knows it would be a LOT better than Tranquility Bay is, and WWASPS would lose that particular hellhole to use to hang over the heads of its children. Pillars in Costa Rica would probably be the next one in line, though.  :roll:

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--

Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: BuzzKill on August 03, 2005, 02:29:00 PM
Well what if -
You rented a few busses (do they have busses in Jamaica?) and drove up to the gates, and announced in some loud fashion, that could be heard all over the compound, that the busses would take as many of the teens as wanted to go to the embassy to file formal complaints and demand to be returned to the United States - as is their right if they are 16 or more (isn't that correct?)
You'd need some way to get the gates open - would a pair of bolt cutters do it?
This way, except for cutting the bolt on the gate you would not have damaged anything or hurt anybody - and as long as the kids willingly board the buss you've not kid napped anybody. . .

Wonder if the kids would leave or if fear of the unknown would hold them back? If they left on mass - how could they be stopped? Wouldn't it be something if the Fed's went in an did something like this? Seems like they should.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2005, 09:23:00 PM
it's a good plan, only you'd probably need two or three buses, that would need to be rented from Jamaica, that would be really expensive. Not to mention the travel fare to get to Jamaica. Also, some sort of rep from the embassy would be nice to have on hand too. Sucks for the kids under 16 though.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
bump.

anyone know what happened here?
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 08:44:00 PM
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On 2005-12-13 14:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"bump.



anyone know what happened here?"


If you mean the outcome, the two boys were caught and returned to Tranquility Bay.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 01:53:00 PM
And parents can get extra custody after 18 for the best intrest of the child. I dont agree, just what I see parents asking for on the BBS. TO force kids on staying in the program.
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 02:09:00 PM
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On 2005-12-14 10:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"And parents can get extra custody after 18 for the best intrest of the child. I dont agree, just what I see parents asking for on the BBS. TO force kids on staying in the program.



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and I know it's particularly a lot easier to do this while the child is in a foreign country. ive read accounts of kids staying until 22, because they had no access to legal representation. its fucking pathetic. jail would be better than a gulag in a foreign land!!!!!!!!
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Nihilanthic on December 14, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
Just how exactly does an adult citizen of the United States have their adulthood taken away in a country we have diplomatic ties to and an embassy in, without representation?

Isnt there a REQUIREMENT that they have representation and the ability to go before a Judge?

 :???:

It is wrong to leave a stumbling stone in the road after it has tripped you.
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Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
You'd think wouldn't you!
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 14, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
The problem is the American Embassy is on wwasp's side. They think Jay Kay is a good guy.Why else would they still be opened.

Call the state dept in Washington and demand help for the kids.Write to John McCaine and outline the need for  his help agaist torture of AMERICAN CITIZENS locked up in the treasure beach (TB)gulag....Call his office .
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
Who is this gay kay jay or whatever guy? the director of tranquility bay?

  Okay enough jokes... this is some serious human rights stuff we are talking about here. There is plenty to do in terms of ending the unlawful and inhumane treatment of the kids in any "program" despite their behavior and problems. There needs to be some new federal regulations SPELLED OUT clearly  of the rights and responsibilities of the parents, kids, and employeesin or involved in these "programs" in the USA or not. There needs to be mandatory laws that inform the kids 18 or not, of their complete rights and options as USA citizens, especially in forein countries.
  Every current law needs to be reviewed and new laws need to be made for the complete, humane, and benefit of the kids. This all should be reviewed by non-biased lawyers, legislators, and representatives of all sorts. By unbiased I mean not brainwashed or paid-off in any which way. Yes    some these kids have problems, but brainwashing and intimidation of all sorts needs to end, NOW. There needs to be proper guidelines of all sorts specifically defining what can and connot happen no matter how problem-ridden a kid is, no matter what country they are in. They are USA citizens, kids, kids some of who just need time and the right environment to see the light... nothing like which goes on in these "programs."

   This effort for the good of humanity will take you, me, and every good hearted person to step up and not put up with anymore of this ridiculous crap that we face every day in many forms, but specifically now in terms of human rights and "programs."

  Keep spreading the truthful word, keep researching the truth about what goes on, keep sharing it, write representatives or get in contact with who you can, use your powers: if you are a writer, reporter, or newscaster, get and honest story out. My suggestion is that we set up a web site focusuing on human rights and the acts against it, specifically these "progams." Through this specific site (which should be dedicated to the truth, include detailed information regarding other options for parents and their kids besides "programs" and may include selling t-shirts and coffee mugs supporting the site) good people will be able to share information and more easily progress in our effort. There are many possibilities. We need an effort, web designers, supporters, people knowlegale in law and research.  The truth must be spread, changes need to be made.
Anyone with me?

[email protected]
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
This is some serious human rights stuff we are talking about here. There is plenty to do in terms of ending the unlawful and inhumane treatment of the kids in any "program" despite their behavior and problems. There needs to be some new federal regulations SPELLED OUT clearly of the rights and responsibilities of the parents, kids, and employees in or involved in these "programs" in the USA or not. There needs to be mandatory laws that inform the kids 18 or not, of their complete rights and options as USA citizens, especially in foreign countries.
Every current law needs to be reviewed and new laws need to be made for the complete, humane, and benefit of the kids. This all should be reviewed by non-biased lawyers, legislators, and representatives of all sorts. By unbiased I mean not brainwashed or paid-off in any which way. Yes some these kids have problems, but brainwashing and intimidation of all sorts needs to end, NOW. There needs to be proper guidelines specifically defining what can and connot happen no matter how problem-ridden a kid is, no matter what country they are in. They are USA citizens, kids, kids some of who just need time and the right environment to see the light... nothing like which goes on in these "programs."

This effort for the good of humanity will take you, me, and every good hearted person to step up and not put up with anymore of this ridiculous crap that we face every day in many forms, but specifically in terms of human rights and "programs."

Keep spreading the truthful word, keep researching the truth about what goes on, keep sharing it, write representatives or get in contact with who you can, use your powers: if you are a writer, reporter, or newscaster, get and honest story out.

#My suggestion is that we set up a web site focusuing on human rights and the acts against it, specifically these "progams." Through this specific site (which should be dedicated to the truth, include detailed information regarding other options for parents and their kids besides "programs" and may include selling t-shirts and coffee mugs supporting the site) good people will be able to share information and more easily progress in our effort. There are many possibilities. We need an effort, web designers, supporters, people knowlegale in law and research. The truth must be spread, changes need to be made.
Anyone with me?

[email protected]
Title: Cops search for two Tranquility Bay teens
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 12:22:00 AM
sorry... dindnt mean to post 2x