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http://isaccorp.org/wwasps/skyviewsuspended.pdf

A sexual hazing incident has brought about the closing of SkyView Academy.  Sky View is suggesting that the students be transferred to:

Red River Academy
Cross Creek Academy
Spring Creek Lodge
Majestic Ranch

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Feed Your Head / the Kite Runner
« on: September 24, 2007, 12:02:30 PM »
If you've not yet read this book I'd like to recommend that you do so. It is one of the best books I've read in ages.

On a related note, a movie has been made. I look forward to seeing it, although the movie seldom lives up to the promise of the book. Still, I expect it will be well worth viewing.

On a related note - there is some controversy brewing in regard to the sensitivities of the young actors and their Afghan culture. the article follows:


'Kite Runner' actor's family wants rape scene cut

    * Story Highlights
    * "The Kite Runner" movie contains rape scene of boy
    * Actor in scene says he's worried for himself and family
    * Concerns are that he or family could be ostracized or attacked
    * Film is based on best-selling novel by Khaled Hosseini

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- A 12-year-old Afghan boy starring in the upcoming film "The Kite Runner" fears he and his family could be ostracized or even attacked because of a rape scene that he says he reluctantly acted in -- a sequence the family wants cut.

Ahmad Khan Mahmidzada plays the role of young Hassan, who is raped by a bully in a pivotal part of the best-selling novel, on which the movie is based. His family says the scene will offend Afghans.

"In Afghanistan, rape is not acceptable at all. This is against Afghan dignity. This is against Afghan culture," the boy's father, Ahmad Jaan Mahmidzada, told The Associated Press. "When we argued, they said 'We will cut this part of the film. We will take it out of the script. This part will not be in the film."'

The film's producers, Bennett Walsh and Rebecca Yeldham, said they were surprised by the father's comments "about not being comfortable with the difficult scene" and that they "have the utmost concern for the welfare" of the boys who were in the film.

In an e-mail to The Associated Press, they did not respond to a question about whether they would leave the scene in or take it out.

"When we visited with all the actors and their families in Kabul earlier this year, the families addressed their concerns directly with us and said they were fine with the content of the scene, as long as we portrayed it in a sensitive manner," Walsh and Yeldham told the AP. "We made this a priority and followed their specific instructions." The visit earlier this year came after the scene was filmed in 2006.

"The Kite Runner," based on the 2003 novel by Afghan-American writer Khaled Hosseini, tells the story of two boys and how their relationship is transformed by the act of violence. The story's main character, Amir, witnesses the rape of friend Hassan but does nothing to stop it.

The film is scheduled for U.S. release in late November. Hosseini's second best-selling novel, "A Thousand Splendid Suns," came out earlier this year.

Ahmad Khan was paid $10,000 to portray Hassan -- a hefty sum in Afghanistan, where teachers earn only about $70 per month. But the boy with an endearing, crooked smile said he would never have taken the role had he known Hassan is raped. The family said they found out about the scene only days before it was shot.

"They didn't give me the script. They didn't give me the story of 'The Kite Runner.' If I knew about the story, I wouldn't have participated as an actor in this film," he told the AP.

The father and son, backed by other Afghans on the set's location in China, argued with the filmmakers, and the boy refused to act out the scene.

Mahmidzada said the director told him: "'The film will be a mess without this part.' "

"But I told him 'I'm not thinking about your film. I'm thinking about myself,' " he said. "We are Afghan, and this is not acceptable to us at all."

When the filmmakers wanted his son to take off his pants for the shooting, Mahmidzada refused to let him do it. The scene was instead shot with Ahmad Khan wearing his pants.

The parents are concerned that Afghans will harass Ahmad Khan if they find out his character is raped.

"The people of Afghanistan do not understand that it's only acting or playing a role in a film. They think it has actually happened," Mahmidzada said.

Ahmad Khan worried that his schoolmates will make fun of him.

"It's not one or two people that I have to explain to," he said. "It's all of Afghanistan. How do I make them understand?"

If the film is screened in Afghanistan, Ahmad Khan said his family will lose its dignity. "We won't be able to walk in our neighborhood or in Afghanistan at all," the boy said.

Mahmidzada worries the story will stir ethnic tensions because it plays on stereotypes of Afghan ethnic groups, pitting a Pashtun bully against a lower-class Hazara boy.

Pashtuns, Afghanistan's largest ethnic group, and the Hazara minorities were among several ethnic-based factions that fought bitterly during the country's post-Soviet era civil war. Thousands of Hazaras were slain as the predominantly Pashtun Taliban seized power in the mid-1990s.

Ethnic violence has generally subsided since the fall of the Taliban in 2001, but Afghans fear any trigger that could revive tensions. Many Afghans were angered by the 2006 Indian film "Kabul Express," which portrays Hazara militants as brutal and thuggish.

"There are ethnic problems in Afghanistan -- between Hazara, Pashtun, Tajik and other ethnic groups," Mahmidzada said. "We don't want any problem between any ethnic group in Afghanistan. We want unity among all ethnic groups in Afghanistan."

Manizha Naderi, an Afghan-American working in Kabul, said that if the film gets a lot of publicity, the family has reason for concern.

"If people don't see it, then nobody knows, but if people see it, then ... they'll blame the family and say, 'You're giving Afghans a bad name,' " Naderi said.

Mahmidzada said the company has promised to take care of his family if anything happens to them as a result of the film.

"I'm afraid for the security of my son, and for the security of my family," he said. "I'm not only concerned about threats from my neighbors or relatives. I'm concerned about threats from all Afghan people."

Although he did not particularly like playing the rape scene, Ahmad Khan enjoyed shooting the film and wants to act more.

His suggestion to the film company? "They should take us out of Afghanistan."

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

All AboutAfghanistan • Afghanistan War
 
 
 
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/ ... index.html

QUESTION:

Should the film producers acquire the family visas and move them to the USA or some other more tolerant "western" nation?

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Open Free for All / news of the weird/ "Chupacabra" Shot in Texas
« on: September 22, 2007, 11:47:54 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295481,00.html

&

http://www.crystalinks.com/chupacabras.html

(If you go the websites you can see pictures)


Texas Woman Claims to Have Found Mythical 'Chupacabra'

Saturday , September 01, 2007

CUERO, Texas —
Phylis Canion lived in Africa for four years. She's been a hunter all her life and has the mounted heads of a zebra and other exotic animals in her house to prove it. But the roadkill she found last month outside her ranch was a new one even for her, worth putting in a freezer hidden from curious onlookers: Canion believes she may have the head of the mythical, bloodsucking chupacabra.

"It is one ugly creature," Canion said, holding the head of the mammal, which has big ears, large fanged teeth and grayish-blue, mostly hairless skin.

Canion and some of her neighbors discovered the 40-pound bodies of three of the animals over four days in July outside her ranch in Cuero, 80 miles southeast of San Antonio. Canion said she saved the head of the one she found so she can get to get to the bottom of its ancestry through DNA testing and then mount it for posterity.

She suspects, as have many rural denizens over the years, that a chupacabra may have killed as many as 26 of her chickens in the past couple of years.

"I've seen a lot of nasty stuff. I've never seen anything like this," she said.

What tipped Canion to the possibility that this was no ugly coyote, but perhaps the vampire-like beast, is that the chickens weren't eaten or carried off — all the blood was drained from them, she said.

Chupacabra means "goat sucker" in Spanish, and it is said to have originated in Latin America, specifically Puerto Rico and Mexico.

Canion thinks recent heavy rains ran them right out of their dens.

"I think it could have wolf in it," Canion said. "It has to be a cross between two or three different things."

She said the finding has captured the imagination of locals, just like purported sightings of Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster have elsewhere.

But what folks are calling a chupacabra is probably just a strange breed of dog, said veterinarian Travis Schaar of the Main Street Animal Hospital in nearby Victoria.

"I'm not going to tell you that's not a chupacabra. I just think in my opinion a chupacabra is a dog," said Schaar, who has seen Canion's find.

The "chupacabras" could have all been part of a mutated litter of dogs, or they may be a new kind of mutt, he said.

As for the bloodsucking, Schaar said that this particular canine may simply have a preference for blood, letting its prey bleed out and licking it up.

Chupacabra or not, the discovery has spawned a local and international craze. Canion has started selling T-shirts that read: "2007, The Summer of the Chupacabra, Cuero, Texas," accompanied by a caricature of the creature. The $5 shirts have gone all over the world, including Japan, Australia and Brunei. Schaar also said he has one.

"If everyone has a fun time with it, we'll keep doing it," she said. "It's good for Cuero."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"Chupacabra" Shot in Texas


October 2004 - Earthfiles - by Linda Moulton Howe


Pollok, Texas - What are the strange, unidentified grey-blue animals that people keep seeing and shooting in Texas? In May 2004, Elmendorf, Texas farmer, Devin McAnally, shot an animal eating mulberries that he also thought was killing his chickens. Devin was amazed that his bullets did not cause bleeding on the strange, grey body.
I had investigated the "chupacabras" mystery on a trip to Puerto Rico in 1996. Many locals described a grey-colored kangaroo-like creature with long teeth which was blamed for hundreds of punctures in chickens, rabbits and other farm animals, including some goats and dogs that were still alive after bloodless holes had been made in their forehead bone or neck. At the time, I talked about the Elmendorf photographs with a San Antonio Zoo spokesman who said it was definitely not a coyote, but he did not know what it was. Some of the Elmendorf tissue was shipped to the University of California-Davis Veterinarian Genetics Laboratory for DNA analysis and results are pending.

Now we've got both another dead animal that closely resembles the Elmendorf creature and a sighting of one of the creatures alive only one-quarter mile away from the site where this animal was shot on October 8. It was at the Pollok, Texas, home of the Womack family. Mrs. Womack's daughter, Stacey Womack, lives twenty miles away in Lufkin where she worked for 20 years as a vet technician and three years in the early 1990s as a zoo keeper at the Ellen Trout Zoo in Lufkin. Today she is a dog breeder. Stacey has a lot of experience with animals around Lufkin and Pollok and could not understand what her mother meant when she called Tracey in a very emotional state on Friday afternoon, October 8, asking her daughter to come help because there was a strange animal under the house.

Report from Stacey Womack, dog breeder and former veterinarian tech assistant, Lufkin, Texas: "My mother was just sort of hysterical because they had killed something under the house and they did not know what it was. I thought, 'This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.' They don't know whether it's a coyote or a dog?! I told my mother I would come out there and bring my digital camera. About one-quarter mile from my mother's house, I had to hit my breaks because an animal crossed the road in front of me and it was running with its head down and its tail down and it did not have any hair. It was a strange looking sight and my daughter-in-law was with me and she wanted to know if it was a wolf. I told her it wasn't a wolf and it was too large for a fox. So, we went on to my mother's house and went around to the back and there was the same animal an animal identical to what ran across the road. It was on the ground after they had just killed it and there was almost no blood. It was just red where the shot had went in (the eye). I was just totally dumbfounded when I saw it. At first glance, you would think of a deer's head on a kangaroo's body. The ears were real thick and large. It did not have any hair on it. The skin tissue was necrotic. It was just awful. I did not know what it was."

In Coleman, Texas, a farmer named Reggie Lagow caught an unknown animal in a trap he set up after the deaths of a number of his chickens and turkeys. The animal appeared to be a mix between a hairless dog, a rat and a kangaroo. The mystery animal was reported to be to Texas Parks and Wildlife in hopes of determining what it was, but Lagow said in a September 17th, 2006, phone interview with John Adolfi, founder of the Lost World Museum, that the "critter was caught on a Tuesday and thrown out in Thursday's trash."

In November of 2005 , A motocross racer named Kolt Jarrett spotted a medium sized to small sized creature in Floresville, Texas, At the Cycle Ranch Motocross Park. He was with seven other friends in a golf cart on trails near back of the park. Kolt spotted in in tall grass and small sapling which were folding over like it was as strong as an oxe. Kolt described it having spikes down its back with a wierd shaped head, with possibly having horns. It was a brownish red and had wierd shaped objects,possibly wings, on its sides. Kolt belived it to be the El Chupacabra.

In Septemeber of 2006, in High Rolls, New Mexico, near Alamogordo, A roper Trey Rogers spotted what he belived was the El Chupacabra. He was out in the forest with his paint ball gun looking for game when he spotted a medium sized brown redish-animal that had spikes down its back and wings on its side. Before Trey could get a shot it took off at the speed or fastest than the quickest rabbit. It was the fastest thing Trey had ever seen.

In April of 2006, MosNews reported that the chupacabra was spotted in Russia for the first time. Reports from Central Russia beginning in March 2005 tell of a beast that kills animals and sucks out their blood. Thirty-two turkeys were killed and drained overnight. Reports later came from neighboring villages when 30 sheep were killed and had their blood drained. Finally eyewitnesses were able to describe the chupacabra. In May of 2006, experts were determined to track the animal down.

In mid-August 2006, Michelle O'Donnell of Turner, Maine, described an "evil looking" dog-like creature with fangs found along side a road, apparently struck by a car, but it was otherwise unidentifiable. Photographs were taken and several witness reports seem to be in relative agreement that the creature was canine in appearance, but unlike any dog or wolf in the area. The carcass was picked clean by vultures before experts could examine it. For years, residents of Maine have reported a mysterious creature and a string of dog maulings.

On September 2006, the Lost World Museum acquired the remains of what may be a Chupacabra. Spotted, hunted and killed in late August 2006, 15 yr. old Geordie Decker and 16 yr. old Josh Underwood of Berkshire, New York handed over the bones of a small fox like beast that hopped, had yellow eyes and an orange strip of hair going down its almost bald gray back, to Museum owner John Adolfi. Its bones are currently on display on the Lost World Museum's web site while further examination and investigation continues.

Theories

Some cryptozoologists speculate that chupacabras are alien creatures. Chupacabras are widely described as otherworldly, and, according to one witness report, NASA may be involved with this particular alien's residency on earth. The witness reported that NASA passed through an area in Latin America, with a trailer that was thought to contain an incarcerated creature. There have also been UFOs seen where chupacabras have been at the same time on occasion. Others speculate that the creature is an escaped pet of alien visitors that wandered off while its master was visiting Earth. The Chupacabra does have a slight resemblance to the Greys, which could mean that they are somehow related.

Some people in the island of Puerto Rico believe that the chupacabras were a genetic experiment from some United States' government agency, which escaped from a secret laboratory in El Yunque, a mountain in the east part of the island when the laboratory was damaged during a severe storm in the early 1990's. The US military have had a large presence across Puerto Rico since the 1930's, with bases on the island used as Research and Development facilities (amongst other things) up to the present day. The lethal agent orange chemicals were tested by the US on the crops of Puerto Rico in widespread crop-spraying operations, all performed without notifying local people or farmers, and the efficacy and safety of contraceptive medicines was also secretly tested on islanders who had no knowledge of their 'guinea pig' status at all. ("UFO's Strangest Mysteries", Discovery Science) This may explain some of this alleged paranoia.

Another possibility would involve giant vampire bats of which a few fossils have been found in South-America.

An alternative explanation is that the creatures are not real at all, and the sightings are either a product of superstition and imagination, or simply other animals that have been wrongly identified.

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Web forum hosting / Block user feature?
« on: September 15, 2007, 10:53:38 AM »
Is there any way Fornits could provide a block user feature - so that a user's postings could be blocked from ones screen display?

I have long known better than to click on links without foreknowledge of its content.

I can avoid topics that I know are bound to be of the sort I'd rather not read.

But I do resent ( very much) being ambushed on a topic of interest with grotesque images. I think it would be much valued by many (not just myself) if such a feature were available, so we wouldn't have to subject ourselves to this kind of assault while trying to read a thread of interest.


Or, maybe you could do something like the Xolah board does. Not delete these off topic and disturbing things (if your so dead set against it) but move them to "the basement" which you could label the riff-raff room; or the shit-hole; or the wayward home for fucked up buggers - something like that.

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Open Free for All / Juxtaposse (check 'em out)
« on: August 30, 2007, 03:44:32 PM »
http://www.myspace.com/juxtaposse
 
Thought some of you might want to check these folks out. Corey Martin was in Dundee ranch. The song Rebels is about the Dundee experience. These kids really are very good. I am impressed.

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Headline on CNN:

Jamaica prepares for hard-charging Dean
The government of Jamaica -- preparing for Hurricane Dean -- issued a hurricane warning today, meaning that hurricane conditions are expected within the area within the next 24 hours. Forecasters fear Dean will be a Category 5 monster with 155 mph winds by then. full story

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So - what is WWASPS doing to ensure the safety of the students being held in their compound?

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Open Free for All / Rabies
« on: July 05, 2007, 04:33:25 PM »
Following is a CNN report on an attack by a rabid animal, in this case a fox. Not long ago a similar story ran about a man killing a rabid bob cat. Is seems this is going to be a "hot" summer - one where rabies effects a significant number of animals.

Please use great caution with any animal, wild or domestic, that is behaving in an unusual way. Do not pick up and handle sick animal you might find. If bitten by any mammal try to contain it for animal control or the health department - and be sure to see a doctor ASAP.



KINGSTOWN, North Carolina (AP) -- A 5-year-old boy grabbed a rabid fox by the neck and pinned it to the ground during a family cookout, protecting six other children until his stepfather could kill the animal.

"I wanted to protect my little brother," said Rayshun McDowell, who battled the fox in the front yard of his home Sunday in Kingstown, a town about 50 miles west of Charlotte.

The fox bit Rayshun in the leg, but the 61-pound-boy held the animal down for more than a minute. Animal control officials said Tuesday that test results confirmed the fox had rabies, which is fatal unless treated before symptoms appear. Rayshun is undergoing treatment.
"I looked out the window and Rayshun had the fox by the neck and was pushing it into the ground," said his mother, Shinda Linder. "I couldn't believe what I was seeing."  Watch as the boy shows where the fox bit him »

Rayshun's stepfather, Ryan Thompson, pulled the boy off the animal and kicked it. A neighbor fired a handgun three times but the fox continued to advance.

Thompson, wearing a cast because of a broken leg, said he used a stick and his crutch to beat the fox to death.

Rayshun, meanwhile, asked only for a Band-Aid and didn't complain of any pain.

"Rayshun was really calm and wasn't upset," his mother said. "I couldn't believe he would do something like that. He was so brave, and I was a wreck."

Rabies attacks the nervous system and is transmitted through saliva. It often makes animals aggressive. A 6-year-old girl who was attacked by a fox the same day at her home nearby also is being treated.

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Open Free for All / Happy Derby Day
« on: May 05, 2007, 02:41:35 PM »
The Racing Man
by
A. P. Herbert

My gentle child, behold this horse -
A noble animal, of corse, but not to be relied on!
I wish he would not stand and snort;
Oh frankly, he is not the sort your father cares to ride on.

His head is tossing up and down,
And he has frightened half the town
by blowing in their faces,
And making gestures with his feet,
While now and then he stops to eat in inconvenient places.

He nearly murdered me today,
By trotting in the wildest way through half a mile of forest;
And now he treads upon the kerb,
Consuming some attractive herb, he borrowed from the florist.

I strike him roughly with my hand; He does not seem to understand;
He simply won't be bothered, To walk in peace, as I suggest,
A little way towards the West - He prances to the No'th'ard.

And yet, by popular repute, He is a mild, well-mannered brute,
And very well connected;
Alas, it is a painful fact,
That horses hardly ever act as anyone expected.

Yet there are men prepared to place,
a sum of money on a race,
in which a horse is running;
An animal as fierce as this, as full of idle prejudice,
And every bit as cunning;
And it is marvelous to me, That grown-up gentlemen can be,
So simple, so confiding;
I envy them, but, Oh my son,
I cannot think that they have done a great amount of riding!

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Open Free for All / Go Ask Alice
« on: March 30, 2007, 04:29:22 PM »
http://www.placeofskulls.com/posalicecooper.htm

Alice Cooper

If you want to shock the world of Rock 'n Roll, don't play with live snakes during a concert, live for Jesus instead! 70's rocker Alice Cooper has done both and talks about Jesus, Satan and Marylin Manson.

Rock star Alice Cooper shocked the world in the 1970s with an alcohol-fueled stage show that explored taboos ranging from murder to necrophilia. Years later he shocked the rock world by quietly embracing Christianity.

Cooper has rarely talked about his faith, but in an exclusive October, 2000 interview with Lonn Friend, editor of the on-line rock magazine KNAC.COM, Cooper spoke at length about his drinking days, faith in God, and views on the shock-rockers who are following in his footsteps.

Cooper said he was introduced to alcohol when he began his music career, and drank heavily for the next 15 years. "I was a totally functional alcoholic, probably the most functional alcoholic ever. I never missed a show. I never stumbled. I never slurred a word. I mean I was the Dean Martin of rock n' roll," he told KNAC.COM.

Cooper said divine intervention is what broke his drinking habit in the mid-1980s. "I honestly think I was simply and completely healed," he said. "I guess you can call it a miracle. It's the only way I can explain it. It was absolutely eliminated from my life."

Cooper has often been called the model for today's shock-rockers, including Marilyn Manson. While he doesn't criticize Manson for his on-stage theatrics, Cooper takes issue with Manson's anti-Christian stance.

"He's very vocal about it," Cooper told KNAC.COM. "I believe [the Manson album] AntiChrist Superstar was pointed right directly at me. I didn't volley the first shots in this whole thing. His whole anti-Christian thing, and I'm like 'Hey, I'm Christian, and I'm not going to denounce what I believe.' I can be a rock 'n' roll star, a Christian and Alice Cooper."

Cooper continued, "I think Marilyn had a really bad Christian experience when he was younger. My guess is he got involved with some less-than-Christian-Christians and that really, forgive the expression, nailed him. You know, he's one of the greatest button pushers I've ever met. And I know that game because I invented that game...Manson clicked because he found a whole new set of buttons to push, he even pushed my buttons, which is pretty impressive since I was pushing buttons before he was born."

Cooper's embrace of Christianity was more a return to faith than a coming to faith. "I was pretty much convinced all my life that there was just one God and there was Jesus Christ and there was the Devil," he said."

You couldn't believe in God without believing in the Devil. I always tell bands that the most dangerous thing you can do is to believe in the concept of the Devil or the concept of God, because you're not giving them full credit. When you believe in God, you've got to believe in the all-powerful God. He's not just God, He's the all-powerful God and He has total control over everyone's life. The Devil, on the other hand, is a real character that's trying his hardest to tear your life apart. If you believe that this is just mythology, you're a prime target because you know that's exactly what Satan wants: To be a myth. But he's not a myth, of this I'm totally convinced. More than anything in the world, I'm convinced of that."

Cooper continued, "We have to make a choice. And everybody, at some point in their lives, has to make that choice. When people say, 'How do you believe this? Why do you believe this?' I just say nothing else speaks to my heart. This doesn't speak to my intellect, it doesn't speak to my logic - it speaks right to my heart and right to my soul, deeper than anything I've ever thought of. And I totally believe it. That being said, I'm not a very good Christian. I mean, none of us are ever 'good' Christians. That's not the point. When you're a Christian, it doesn't mean you're gonna be good, it means you've got a harder road to pull."

Though some have questioned combining his faith in God with his rock-and-roll background, Cooper doesn't see a conflict. "I'm the first one to rock as loud as I can, but when it comes to what I believe, I'm the first one to defend it too," he said. "It has also gotten me in trouble with the staunch Christians who believe that in order to be a Christian you have to be on your knees 24 hours a day in a closet somewhere. Hey, maybe some people can live like that, but I don't think that's the way God expected us to live. When Christ came back, He hung out with the whores, the drunks and miscreants because they were people that needed Him. Christ never spent His time with the Pharisees."

But while Cooper may still speak to some of his old themes, he has a new message today.

"I used to celebrate moral decay, the decadence of it," he admitted. "I can look back on what I did then and what I'm doing now and they're two different things. But at the time I was the poster boy for moral decay, you know. So yeah, I've got a lot to be forgiven for...out of ignorance, I thought I was doing the right thing. I was totally in agreement that every guy should sleep with every girl and drink as much as they can. I don't believe that now. I don't believe in it, because I see how destructive it is."

Spiritual awakening is happening around the world, Cooper believes. "It's obvious humanity is craving for answers directly born of awareness," he said. "That's the healthiest thing I've seen in a long time because there is something better and everybody's gotta find it in their own way. People aren't feeling fulfilled by how many cars they own or the size of their stock portfolio.

Even the addicts are saying, 'It doesn't matter how many drugs I take, I'm not fulfilled. This isn't satisfying.' There's a spiritual hunger going on. Everybody feels it. If you don't feel it now, you will. Trust me. You will."

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Open Free for All / Free Kareem
« on: March 12, 2007, 09:27:22 PM »
http://www.freekareem.org/2007/02/22/ka ... nal-trial/

Link to the Free Kareem web site. Kareem being the Egyptian blogger who just got 4 years in prison for publishing his POV.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Romney, Bob Lichfield connection
« on: March 06, 2007, 06:30:22 PM »
Romney brings in the green in redrock country

By Mark Havnes

The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune

Article Last Updated:02/22/2007 11:08:12 AM MST

ST. GEORGE -
Mitt Romney ventured to redrock country Wednesday in hopes of raking in more campaign green.
    And Dixie delivered, aides say, to the tune of $250,000 to $300,000 in what is believed to be the largest political fundraiser ever staged in southern Utah.
    "I'm blown away by the response from southern Utah," Romney said before leaving St. George for Atlanta. "The generosity, support and warm spirit [are] inspiring."
    Expensive cars crowded the parking lot of the Dixie Center, where the Republican presidential hopeful addressed enthusiastic backers who forked over $1,000 a piece for the chance to eat breakfast with him.
    After the quick meal and speech - which were closed to the press - Romney, a Mormon, reiterated to reporters his belief in God as being a quintessential quality Americans expect from their presidents.
    St. George resident Bob Lichfield, the co-chairman of Romney's Utah finance committee, said he expected the event to bring in up to $300,000 for the former Massachusetts governor's presidential campaign.
    Lichfield said former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., raised about $50,000 several years ago for John Swallow's unsuccessful congressional bid.
    "It was a big deal for [Romney] to come here," Lichfield said. "He has roots here. His great-grandfather was the architect of the [St. George] tabernacle."
    Lichfield pointed to Romney's leadership triumphs - moving Massachusetts' budget from the red to the black and steering a previously scandal-scarred 2002 Winter Olympics - as evidence of his presidential credentials.
    "He's fantastic," Lichfield said.
    Romney's speech - which touched on how he improved education and health care in the Bay State - impressed Washington County Commissioner Alan Gardner.
    "He took out some of the requirements [necessary for insurance] and, with the help of the state, made it so everyone now has [health] insurance," Gardner said. "He's going to be great."
    Iron County Commissioner Wayne Smith said Romney recognized a lot residents from neighboring Cedar City at the breakfast.
    "He was very sincere and would never be embarrassing for the country or [LDS] Church," Smith said.
    St. George resident Randy Wilkinson sees Romney as the right leader and the right time.
    "He has high moral and family values and supports entrepreneurship and the American way."
    Polls have shown Romney trailing Arizona Sen. John McCain and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani by a wide margin in the race for the Republican nomination.
    But St. George resident Ed Bowler believes Romney can close the gap.
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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / obtaining transcripts.
« on: January 02, 2007, 11:40:05 AM »
Anyone who wants to help with the cost of obtaining a copy of the Scheff V Bock "trial" transcripts, can do so by going to ISAC's web site
( www.ISACcorp.org ) and using the link to paypal. You can make a notation that it is to help with obtaining the transcripts - and it will be set aside for that purpose.

Don't know yet what it will cost, or how long it will take - but it will be looked into, and I'll forward the info to the forum here when I get it.

http://www.isaccorp.org/donate.asp

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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / Who Sue Hates post
« on: January 01, 2007, 11:25:32 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Sue is a one man band so her connection with Izzy is for some self-serving purpose.  Sue may have made promises to Izzy but it's doubtful that Sue would GIVE Izzy any of the money she gets from Sue's referral business.  Maybe Sue has got Izzy writing the "Sue-Sue" book "At my Wits End."  Compared to Sue, Izzy would seem to be a brain.  :rofl:  Sorry but couldn't help the laugh on that one.

Marie Peart makes money on the referrals through PURE but that's different because Marie is needed by Sue to hook parents in, so, don't know for certain, but Sue and Marie split the fees I would guess.  Marie uses her money to live on but Sue uses most of her money to fund her lawsuits--again I don't know this for sure but look at all of the money Sue Scheff spends on these lawsuits.

Sue hates Ginger and she wants to sue Shelby, Paula, Karen and maybe Christine Gomez.  Sue is afraid of Ginger and Paula but she hates them all cause they don't do the Hitler/Scheff goosestep..  Sue hates Jeff Berryman too but he is "loyal" to Sue so she backs off in exchange for Jeff keeping his mouth shut.  Obvious isn't it?  Sue's few remaining "loyal friends" have said this.

Izzy is a wet rag who blows whichever way the wind blows.  Izzy had a BIG falling out with the California lawyer, Tom Coleman, and he will have nothing to do with Izzy.  I suspect Tom Coleman is onto Sue Scheff too and won't touch Sue with a 10 foot pole.

Izzy was soliciting money from all the parents and bragging that the CA lawyer was hiring Izzy and promised her a big salary.  Izzy was telling EVERYONE ALL ABOUT IT.  Izzy got fired as a receptionist from some law firm in Washington or somewhere in the northwest.  Izzy disappeared and then come up with her bullshit CAICA.  

Sue hated Izzy for her ditching Whitmore but, since Izzy took off Whitmore, Sue now LOVES the slovenly slob.

Remember Sue is losing credibility even with her remaining loyal Texan "friends" but they feel sorry for her they tell us.  Sue bullshits them and they don't know everything--like how she sold them out to WWASP and almost got them sued-----but that's another story.  [/b]


OK - this is intriguing.
It has always been a kind of game trying to figure out who the various "guests" are (or bag heads as we used to cal them) and I don't recall ever before asking one to tip me off. But, I feel I must know you - who ever you are.

You probably know who I am - so if you don't mind - fire me off a PM or email and relieve me of this "wondering who".  I have a few questions  ;)

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A "guest" wrote:

What was the "heated debate that cast her (Scheff) in a negative light" about that caused the listserve to be closed down?

What were "her majesty's little secrets that were being aired?"

Do you know who THESE OTHERS are that still "continue in their devotion" to Scheff?
Surely, these devotees never had children in any abusive programs. What would make people be devoted to a woman who referred children to WWASP after she started PURE? Or to be devoted to a woman who continued to refer children to Whitmore while the Sudweeks were being investigated for child abuse; and AFTER Cheryl Sudweeks had been CHARGED?

These "devotees" seem to have some common agenda like the "diva" and it smells like $$$$$$$.///


No - I feel sure money has nothing to do with it. (at least as far as the Trekkers I knew go) Consider any cultic group - the cult leader may be making money from the efforts of the cult members - but the members tend to remain or become poorer - not enriched.  The relationship here seems very cult like to me. It is as if some left one cult (WWASP) to join yet another( Sue's version of the Trekkers) and have found it difficult to leave.

Staying despite the growing awareness of falsehood in the cult leader is also common. I often refer to it - and will again - read "Cults in our Midst"  it is an eye-opening volume on the hows and whys of cultic control.

The first debate I referred to had to do with the CA law suit; and the issues surrounding whom we were to refer any possible plaintiffs to.

The second was more complicated, and in my opinion serious. It had to do with the situation at Whitmore; as well as the law suit filed against the Earnshaws; as well as some of the posting taking place on Fornits at the time, by SLee.  Some of the other issues, such as what was to be learned in the WWASP V PURE transcripts (which had just become available) was "talked" about off the list.

I know who some of the "others" were - I don't know if they still Are devotees. Who they are, is well known to those who know them - and if you don't know them, their names wouldn't mean anything to you anyway. Besides, as I say, I have no idea how they feel today.

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