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News Items / Sweat Lodge "guru" convicted on 3 counts!!!!!!
« on: June 23, 2011, 07:33:16 AM »
Sweat Lodge "guru" convicted on 3 counts!!!!!!

Looks like it didn't take the jury long either.  They started deliberations on Tuesday, came back with the guilty verdicts Wednesday.  Of course, like Miller Newton, nothing seems to stop these malignant narcissists.  Wait til you get to the last sentence.  



CAMP VERDE, Ariz. — A self-help author who led a deadly sweat lodge ceremony in Arizona was found guilty of three counts of negligent homicide Wednesday.

Jurors in the case against James Arthur Ray began deliberating Tuesday after a four-month trial.

Ray showed no reaction as the verdict was read. His parents and brother sat behind him, while victims' family members and friends held hands and looked on from across the courtroom.

Prosecutors asked that Ray be taken into custody immediately, but the judge denied the request.

More than 50 people participated in the October 2009 sweat lodge that was meant to be the highlight of Ray's five-day "Spiritual Warrior" seminar near Sedona.

Three people died following the sauna-like ceremony meant to provide spiritual cleansing. Eighteen were hospitalized, while several others were given water to cool down at the scene. Prosecutors and defense attorneys disagreed over whether the deaths and illnesses were caused by heat or toxins.

Ray's attorneys have maintained the deaths were a tragic accident. Prosecutors argued Ray recklessly caused the fatalities.

Ray used the sweat lodge as a way for participants to break through whatever was holding them back in life. He warned participants in a recording of the event played during the trial that the sweat lodge would be "hellacious" and that participants were guaranteed to feel like they were dying but would do so only metaphorically.

"The true spiritual warrior has conquered death and therefore has no fear or enemies in this lifetime or the next, because the greatest fear you'll ever experience is the fear of what? Death," Ray said in the recording. "You will have to get a point to where you surrender and it's OK to die."

Witnesses have described the scene following the two-hour ceremony as alarming and chaotic, with people dragging "lifeless" and "barely breathing" participants outside and volunteers performing CPR.

Two participants — Kirby Brown, 38, of Westtown, N.Y., and James Shore, 40, of Milwaukee — died upon arrival at a hospital. Liz Neuman, 49, of Prior Lake, Minn., slipped into a coma and died more than a week later at a Flagstaff hospital.

In court Wednesday, members of Neuman's family and a friend of Brown held hands while the verdict was read.

Ray's attorneys maintained the deaths were nothing but a tragic accident, and said Ray took all the necessary precautions to ensure participants' safety. They contend authorities botched the investigation and failed to consider that toxins or poisons contributed to the deaths and called two witnesses to support that argument.

Prosecutors relied heavily on Ray's own words to try to convince the jury that he was responsible for the deaths. They said a reasonable person would have stopped the "abomination of a sweat lodge" when participants began exhibiting signs of distress about halfway through the ceremony.

Sweat lodges typically are used by American Indians to rid the body of toxins by pouring water over heated rocks in the structure.

Ray became a self-help superstar by using his charismatic personality and convincing people his words would lead them to spiritual and financial wealth. He used free talks to recruit people to expensive seminars like the Sedona retreat that led to the sweat lodge tragedy. Participants paid up to $10,000 for the five-day program intended to push people beyond their physical and emotional limits.

Ray's popularity soared after appearing in the 2006 Rhonda Byrne documentary "The Secret," and Ray promoted it on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and "Larry King Live."

But his multimillion-dollar self-help empire was thrown into turmoil with the sweat lodge deaths. Ray ended his seminars shortly after but has continued to offer advice throughout his trial via the Internet and social networking sites.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: What is a parent to do?
« on: April 19, 2011, 02:11:03 PM »
Mark1986 is Whooter ?????

I thought he was gone.  Heard a rumor that somebody actually called up STICC.  I'd have LOVED to have been a fly on the wall for THAT conversation.

Re: Mark1986 is Whooter

Postby Dysfunction Junction » Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:23 pm
One poster said the other day that they called STICC and asked for John Reuben. When he got on the phone this person referred to him several times by the handle "Whooter" during their conversation and Reuben kept responding normally, apparently not even noticing because he used the name "Whooter" for so long here.

Now THAT'S some funny stuff right there.  :rofl:  :cheers:  :nods:

Web forum hosting / Re: Mark1986 is Whooter
« on: April 19, 2011, 01:30:17 PM »
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
One poster said the other day that they called STICC and asked for John Reuben.  When he got on the phone this person referred to him several times by the handle "Whooter" during their conversation and Reuben kept responding normally, apparently not even noticing because he used the name "Whooter" for so long here.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:


The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Whooter Show - Cancelled
« on: April 19, 2011, 11:57:25 AM »
Quote from: "Antigen"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Glad he's gone but I do wish someone "on the other side" that is sensible, with some integrity would come along.

That's like saying you'd like to have a dog to hunt rabbits, fetch your slippers and all other manner of dog behavior, if only you could find one who will meow instead of barking. How could anyone with sense and integrity defend the industry?

That's not exactly what I meant and I think most people understand that. Maybe I chose my words wrong  ::)   I've had civil conversations with former staff members who are still 'true believers', but at least it was civil and they walked away thinking, and thinking really hard about their "beliefs".  And their spouses were ASTOUNDED that they were a part of the mindfuck.

Web forum hosting / Re: Mark1986 is Whooter
« on: April 19, 2011, 11:27:39 AM »
Somebody fill me in......what happened??  Did we ever find out his real name?

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: 60 Minutes video
« on: April 19, 2011, 11:26:23 AM »
A couple of people tried that and they claim to have no copy of it.  Weird, huh?

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / 60 Minutes video
« on: April 18, 2011, 02:25:54 PM »
I'm desperately trying to find the 60 Minutes video that was taken at Straight St. Pete when I was there.  I keep seeing snippets of it in other vids (NBC and others), but not the original 60 Minutes one.   Beth Polson was the producer....she later produced his "movie", Not My Kid.

If ANYONE has a copy of the actual 60 Minutes video, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact me!!!!

I saw it referenced by RTP:

Quote from: "RTP2003"
This is an excerpt from a letter by a Straight-supporting parent to the president of CBS complaining about the depiction of Straight on the investigative journalism program, 60 Minutes: (italics are added for emphasis)

"The child not only
gets the opportunity to get its life back, but also the child gets its family

Note that the parent does not use the adjective "their" when referring to the horrible druggie beast hellspawn, but instead uses the term "it" when referring to children that have been placed in Straight.  To me, this may be a Freudian slip, one that is indicative of the objectification of their own children that Straight parents demonstrated, time and time again.

A very telling insight into the mind set of the program supporter can be gleaned from this one sentence, and the adjective twice used to describe the abuse victim in question.

Another one???  Really?

Geeez, we're on a roll!

Elan School / Re: Elan will be officially closed as of 4/1/11
« on: March 24, 2011, 03:00:51 PM »
It's about GODDAMNED TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :birthday:  :notworthy:  :cheers:  :nods:  :rocker:  :jamin:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:

Open Free for All / Re: Whooter---Eat a bag o' dicks.
« on: January 21, 2011, 01:56:24 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
I will accept that as an apology.

How did I miss this one??

I don't give a shit WHAT you think you "accept" that as.  It was in no way, shape or form an apology, you dickless wonder.  You had the unmitigated gall to insinuate that my rape was simply me "having unprotected sex".  How typical of the mindset of the program people.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Whooter Show - Cancelled
« on: January 21, 2011, 01:43:55 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
I don’t  agree with the banning as you probably would guess.  But I will not appeal the decision.

Thank you everyone for what I have learned here.  When I first placed my daughter in ASR I thought that all programs were safe and fornits opened my eyes to the fact that the industry is mostly unregulated and I was lucky that I chose ASR versus a program which may have done harm to her.

If I were to do things over again I would have done them a little differently and researched more.  I realize now how much more local services there are available to parents with kids at risk.
I have more knowledge today to take with me on my travels due to the people of fornits.

Take Care everyone.

Bite my ass and good riddance you control freak!  No wonder you sent your son/daughter (who knows by now) to a program.  You cant' STAND it if you can't be in control of things.

 :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:  :twofinger:  :fuckoff:

The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Whooter Show - Cancelled
« on: January 21, 2011, 11:28:17 AM »
Quote from: "Che Gookin"

Best way to get around a forum ban.

Why would you post that?  Do you miss him?

At first I found him useful to show the lengths program people will go to in order to shill for programs, but it got to the point where nobody wanted to deal with his constant re-posting the same shit over and over....especially his bullshit "statistics".  I'm glad he's gone.  There may be a lull in postings for a bit, but Fornits was running great before he came along and I have faith (did *I* just say faith????) that it will eventually come back.

As I said, he's a marketer, IMO, and very skilled at it.  He knows how to twist things around and especially with vulnerable people that have been exposed to brainwashing in the first place.

As Shady said......good riddance.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: The Whooter Show - Cancelled
« on: January 21, 2011, 10:13:54 AM »
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

Whooter brought the program here.  He lied, manipulated, twisted and lied some more, all with the intent to discredit abuse victims and bury their stories which he accomplished completely.  Many posters felt like they didn't want to "fight the program again" and simply walked away.  Some tried to "fight back" but when you are dealing with an adversary with literally unlimited time and resources, how can you actually fight back?  You can't.  He just wears you down until you quit, just like the program.  This place was never meant to be like that and it never was until Whooter set up shop.

 :tup:  :tup:

Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Re: Moron award goes to...
« on: January 21, 2011, 10:09:21 AM »
Wait....mine's there but yours seems to have disappeared.

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