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being an ex of a former rma couselor,  i can tell you that staff are coerced into lying to all on the outside under threats of harm and fines and job loss.  we are told to lie if confronted by outsiders.  lying and covering up is what we do. it is because the phony foundation that runs the place fears that states and parents will stop sending kids and funds if they find out that the law is involved.  the kids are honest when they say others are brainwashed.  rma is a cult that sprang from synanon. they get the kids to feel for others and staff so they will not want to leave. it is all calculated to keep the parents and outside world in the dark.  if you want to know what happens talk to the kids when the staff are not around.  chances are that the staff will not let you do that because they do not want the truth exposed. rma are very good at lying and deceiving outsiders and insiders. if they threaten to sue you , it is just part of their game at posing as honest legitimate business. the kids are honest  but you should forget about the animals and check the kids .

Cruise and Presley are puppets for scientology which is a scam.  they lie saying they are a religion so they can get tax free status.  they treat the famous one way and the easily taken advantage of another way.  someone should send the fucking abuse stories to their publicists and confront the famous on camera.  presley is a spoiled whore who uses her name to get her way. she is so spoiled that nick cage could tolerate 3 months of her. she has never understood that you do not get to have your way all the time. growing up in that white trash palace graceland taught her how to step on all and not how to be compromising.  she sold that hellhole so she could let these leeches use her money like every other cult which is what they are.  keep writing articles about their abuses so we can help the victims .  cruise is not gay.  what is the basis for the rumour ?   looks ?  he looks like a rat i never understood how he got to the top.  he is a victim of the scam known as a cult in disguise.

when was the debacle and what happened ?     they pumped him up to be god but he is now driving a truck somewhere.  he is a con artist and fraud like the rest of them  and he can tell you how the whole scam works[ This Message was edited by: iknowcedulies on 2005-01-10 11:56 ][ This Message was edited by: iknowcedulies on 2005-01-11 16:47 ]

Warning signs of a destructive cult
Do you know someone in a destructive cult?
Warning signs!
Anyone could attack a group they disagree with by unfairly labeling it a destructive cult. How would you know whether it really were such a cult or not? Isn't there an objective method to evaluate groups for cultic tendencies? Yes. The following early warning signs can help you reasonably determine whether or not a group is likely to be a destructive cult, and if you should be concerned about a friend, coworker, or loved one being involved with it.

The main reason that the following destructive cult tactics are so damaging to both the individual and society is because they debilitate rationality and reduce empathy. Rationality and empathy are indispensable in making good personal and social decisions. History is littered with personal and social catastrophes where a lack of rationality and lack of empathy were its core causes.

Ask yourself if the following criteria apply to the group you are concerned about.
A destructive cult tends to be totalitarian in its control of its members' behavior. Cults are likely to dictate in great detail not only what members believe, but also what members wear and eat, when and where members work, sleep, and bathe, and how members think, speak, and conduct familial, marital, or sexual relationships.

A destructive cult tends to have an ethical double standard. Members are urged to be obedient to the cult, to carefully follow cult rules. They are also encouraged to be revealing and open in the group, confessing all to the leaders. On the other hand, outside the group they are encouraged to act unethically, manipulating outsiders or nonmembers, and either deceiving them or simply revealing very little about themselves or the group. In contrast to destructive cults, honorable groups teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.

A destructive cult has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising. Altruistic movements, established religions, and other honorable groups also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group's main purpose of improving the lives of its members and of humankind in general. Destructive cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. A cult's real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.

A destructive cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the ONLY viable system for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. But these claims are empty and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to mind control to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.

A destructive cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. In a destructive cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

A destructive cult's leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, leaders of flying saucer cults claim that beings from outer space have commissioned them to lead people away from Earth, so that only the leaders can save them from impending doom.

A destructive cult's leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself. Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves.

A destructive cult's leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic. Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow the cult. The leader then takes control over followers' possessions, money, time, and lives.

If you know someone who belongs to a group that demonstrates a significant number of these warning signs and you would like more information on how to deal with destructive cults or mind control, go to http://www.factnet.org.

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when my ex was a "couselor" at rma  they always kept the kids away from the skinheads and rma said they would never have "racist" skinheads at rma.  how did this alleged incident happen ?  kids were kept away from the white pride groups that were nearby so this sounds odd, we all know how good they are at lying and keeping the kids away from the cult so how did the skinhead know who the girl was or what religion she was ?

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anonymous  how do you know so much ?  you must have been there but when ?  irony is cedu used to try to get girls to sue guys when those guys had left.  coerce them into lying so that they could make themselves look like victims.  parents workshops, yeah kids would leave their and believe that the place helped them and the parents would believe the lies. they would con rich parents into being his friend and would get them to attack others on his behalf. back when my boyfriend worked there there were no kids on meds and resentment over others having anything that they did not drove the mentality of those who swore allegiance to the racket. blame the victim is what they used to do like synanon and the big lie was that they had nothing to do with synanon. they used to talk to them about whichever parent he was scamming and then try to distance himself from synanon  saying he had left the place cause he thought they were abusive, LIES.             while at the same time getting money and chatting with them about how to blame the victim.   shaking kids and parents down were what they were all about. [ This Message was edited by: iknowcedulies on 2005-01-11 16:39 ]

speak out  cedu just threatens to sue like they threaten kids with their lives all the time. they are cowards who say lies about kids and when confronted they try to yell first amendment. they think because they have been lying forever that they can just continue to do so. speak out it is your right others have done so since that wasserman liar .