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An open discussion about the troubled parent industry

It started at a board meeting some time ago. We have realized that in order to prevent future deaths and hit the industry hard when it is suffering due to the economy and the GAO hearing, we need to give alternative advice to the parents.

Like the positive peer model works parents listen to parents. Take a cult like MADD. It was started by a woman with a good cause, but it was taken over by fundamentalists who used the moms who have suffered a loss. What kind of parents would not listen to another parent who have suffered the biggest loss any parent can?

So our voluteers working inside the hosting firms monitors the trafic from/to Denmark and the parents  bulletin boards. When a profile is created we create a "false" parent profile also. We feed this Dane with our information which they believe because they are generally well informed and are able to look at this abroad from a critical viewpoint. Sometime they post it. If/when they do our false profile confirms it half which makes it more trustworthy. Remember these boards are not Fornits. They have not been manipulated like the victims of programs. They are desperate, afraid and of the edge of a breakdown. We only need to plant a little doubt before they demand special treatment for their child. Unfortunately we can pick from a list with +100 casulties and suicides after leaving the program, so it is rather easy.

The incident which got the wrong Rotsne thrown of the board was that a new director with a CEDU background became new manager at Northwest or Milestones. Milestones is a real CEDU-spinoff and I guess that their seminars are very much like CEDU's, but the difference is that the kids are attending a  normal public highschool.

It became very clear for our employer what this poor mother was up against. They were trying to teach her the 4 claimed manipulation strategies a child in a program can use by labeling the mother and her child as "co-dependent". It is a scam to pull this boy further into the program.

It seems that the program are watching this board and reported Rotsne's name back to the mother, who told the moderators of the board of a claimed mule. The innocent Rotsne got kicked off and our mule was fast to comfort the mother. Our next task is to plant a new fall-guy.

While we are waiting we are gathering information about a RTC near Allenstown, PA and another near Philly, PA. It seems that at least one of them have a security issue about placing people with different issues near each other which cause an increased risk of injury or death like the resent thread about Summit School. There is not reason for yet another kid returning home in a coffin. It doesn't matter how hard a person is punished for a murder. A family will still miss a loved one.

Of course we are sorry that the innocent Rotsne got thrown off the board and he is entitled to be angry as he explained on his blog (Yes, we tracked this down too). But really - he had not business to seek advice abroad in the first place. Some of our members are working for center-validering too trying to prevent cultural poluting and find this global seek for solutions disturbing when we have a more than 1,000 year old culture, which have developed answers to everything possible. Second this war have calsulties and as I see it is a small price to pay having a stranger kicked off a board compared to a boy coming home in a coffin. Nereksuf will comfort him and try to help him with his "gift from God" aka problem children.

I hope that it clarifys our reasons for doing so.

Respect Camp is just one of +20 names for Bethel. The most present name is Gulf Coast Academy. They are all located the same place with the same church in the front yard. They should really do something with the buildings. According to a local informant, several parents have picked up their kids when they actually came to the place and saw how bad it is. The brochures and photos in their marketing material is the same as Bethel used. I guess they have photo-shopped the hairdo of the "students", so they look like coming from this decade.

It is just how little a program owner needs to do in order to fool the parents.

Visit the damn place!! Park out on the public street, shut off the engine and radio and listen to the screams. Take your GFG (Gift from God aka your problem child) with you. If there are too many screams of pain for your taste coming from the campus, drive home and hope that this little private "scared program" has done it purpose and never talk about it again.

BTW. One of our volunteers working on another message board sent me a link to an old video about Bethel. I have made a thread in the wwasp-subforum. You will find that the church is the same as shown in material from Respect Camp and Gulf Coast Academy.

I am only listing them because they have never been found to prove that the succes rate the program boost their ego's with are wrong.

They fail to count deaths during the program, youth who vanishes and young adults who die a few years out caused by PTSD.

I doubt that the list get anyone found because they have tried age-progressing programs, tons of detectives etc. but if a person find him- or herself on the list and decide to contact his or her family, I guess it cannot hurt.

If someone contact us, we are not going to out them. We will just list that signs of life have rumored more recently.

We have create a new category on our victims pages.

It is called Missing in Action. It is about youth who have dissapeared and not surfaced yet. If you know of any then state it.

If you know where they are and they are more than 18 years old (21 in Idaho), they please report that they are OK, so we can get them of the list.

We have this category on two of our victims pages so far:

In the 1990's
After year 2000

A retired teacher (official from Kingston. Unofficial from ....) came looking for a job at TB.

The answer:

Tranquillity Bay is now closed. However, I am hearing rumors of a HEART Academy coming in. Does anyone have further information on this?

Just follow the thread on the local community board. Lets see what they are saying. Someone has to work there.

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Actually given the choice I would close Majestic Ranch next. it is easy to forget that this place keeps 10 year olds.

my money would be on Pillars of Hope, located in Costa Rica.

still away from the American laws.

BUT i still feel that untill i SEE PROF that TB is closed it is not closed. you can say anything you want i have heard it a hundred times before and it was wrong. and when i see prof that TB is closed ill be sick for a week due to intoxication.

I  believe that they have to search for another place. The court stated that abuse had been done, but the employers managed to flee the country before justice could catch them. As the present sub-contract states:

Pilares de Esperanza Language and Vocational Institute

This agreement is made for the specific intention of transferring a student to Pilares de Esperanza from a similar
school. Students must have achieved Merit Status 2 – Achievement Status with 500 Merits, be enrolled in the
similar school for a minimum of two months, and apply for the Study Abroad option to qualify for transfer to
Pilares de Esperanza. They must have successfully graduated Orientation Seminar. If needed, a passport can be
obtained while the student is qualifying to transfer. Any class work and merits from his/her success program
will transfer with him/her to POHLVI of Costa Rica after meeting the requirements to transfer to Costa Rica. If
at any time students choose by their actions or preference to leave Costa Rica, or are expelled from the school,
parents/sponsors may choose to reenroll their student at their previous school.

Once the student has qualified to transfer and has a passport, s/he will be transferred to Pilares de Esperanza.
There is a one thousand five hundred (1,500) transfer fee that can be split in two equal payments over two
months and paid with the student monthly fee paid at <webpage address>. The transfer fee will cover costs
of round-trip transportation to Costa Rica and passport if needed. After transferring to Costa Rica, sponsors will
be billed for the following tuition and fees schedule starting:

As for Oceanside, which I also don't believe is the new TB, I have more info. The senior staff is:

Program director: Amy Ritchie
Medical director: Dr. Habib Kuri
Parent Coordinator: Christina Kaminski

Maybe some of the names ring a bell. If you want to drive there:

DIRECTIONS FROM THE BORDER TO OCEANSIDE
Close to the border on the U.S. side are stores where you can buy vehicle insurance for the day.

* From the San Diego border crossing (I-5 / I-805) follow the orange construction signs that say Rosarito, Playas de Tijuana (in the middle lane)
* Follow Playas de Tijuana signs toward the left that bring you onto Scenic Road Route 1
* Follow Route 1 about 20 miles until you see signs for Rosarito
* Soon after the 2nd Rosarito exit, Rosarito Centro, slow down and prepare to take the 3rd Rosarito exit. There is a Jersey Leche (milk) plant and a Pemex Gas station on the right of the highway, just off the exit.
* After exiting the highway, take the first right
* The milk plant and gas station will be on your right and a small auto repair garage on your left.
* Oceanside is the orange building on the left just past the auto repair garage.

You may pull into the covered parking.

Free parking!!! Let me sign my kids up at once.

I guess that we have to look at another place for a placement of their zero-tolerance kids. We just have to continue to digg.

Well - let keep two things apart.

Cutting is not suicide.

Cutting is a way remove heavy stuff from your emotional bagpack. Some use a therapist, some are lucky to have someone they can trust, some works things out by seeking lonelyness and some cut.

All the methods works well, but cutting leaves scars and there is a risk of infection.

If you want her to stop cutting, you should help her to find another way to get her heavy load off.

It doens't take a treatment center.

Who can she talk to? A social worker, a priest etc. Try to be creative. If you know that going to your mother would be equal to having her locked up, help her to find another adult she can talk to. You don't need to involve your mom.

I havn't met a person, who once in a while stumble over events in life, which takes extra effort to work out. It can be people loosing their lives, watching a traffic accident etc. We all need to find our way to deal with such things.

Create an account and p.m. me. Create a email address for this purpose, so you can remain anonymous.

From Dr.Phil:

Dr. Phil goes back to Ann’s book, Guilty. “I have trouble sometimes sorting out whether you mean what you say, or whether this is one of those sound bite headlines that you put out there. I wrote a couple of them down. You say on children of divorce, 'or as I call them, future strippers …’ What do you mean by that?” he asks her.

“Well, it’s an important chapter, and a very important point and that is the glamorization of single motherhood,” Ann says, “how it’s promoted through the courts, through the government and through Hollywood and glossy magazines, and I go through vast amounts of data over the last 30 years, and I think presented it in a rather amusing way, about how single motherhood is responsible for most of our social problems, including girls running away to be strippers — that isn’t just a joke, that is a fact. The vast majority, like 70 percent of teenage runaways, juvenile delinquents, child murderers, girls who got pregnant, come from single-mother homes, and they are celebrated and glamorized, and marriage is debased in America, and this is creating real victims, Dr. Phil, more than my complaints about how political discourse goes on. This affects real people. Millions of children are being raised with a losing hand.”