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Asheville Academy for Girls is located on 126 Camp Elliot Rd, Black Mountain, North Carolina. This address used to house Stone Mountain School run back then by Aspen Education Group. The campus was shared with Solstice East.

The target group is younger teenager girls aged below 15 at enrollment.

Some testimonies on Google state what kind of environment the girls are placed in:

Quote from: Hannah Schuetz
I am begging you with every fiber of my being not to send your child here. I was at AAG from August 12, 2013-August 14, 2014. I have never been more traumatized than I was while I was there. We were treated like garbage and while there was a handful of good staff the majority did not care and would put us into restraints for absolutely no reason. I also was sent to the basement and forced to do nothing and I was not allowed to have conversations. We were barely allowed to be near each other. To this day I have nightmares about this school and everything I went through. There are so many places that can help your child but this is not one of them.

Quote from: Kelly Montgomery
WARNING - DON'T SEND YOUR DAUGHTER HERE IF YOU LOVE HER!  The staff are rude and girls can get by with basically anything.  iF you act out you get restrained and staff holds you down until you agree to stop.  My parents sent me here when I was 13 and I will never forgive them for the 8 months of absolute hell they put me through!

Quote from: anonymous reviewer
*to clarify, this is about my experience with AAG, not solstice* My own PTSD regarding my traumatizing experience at this school years ago, has kept me from doing anything as simple as writing this review, in terms of speaking out. Somehow years later, I’m still so fearful of this place that I am afraid to speak out against it, and tell my story. But they don’t have any control over me anymore, they cannot punish me for writing an honest review.

In my and many other’s opinion, this school manipulates parents. Both in getting them to send their kids here, and getting them to stay. If you say anything negative about the school to your parents, they tell them that you are not “accepting” of the fact that you are here, and they make you stay longer. In the years following my stay here, my parents have recognized the many manipulation tactics they used, and have apologized to me for falling for them. Even if you have toured the school, and have had students tell you they are fine and dandy..... trust me. I was one of the students they paraded around during tours. I felt trapped into assuring parents that this school was safe, and was helping me. I feel guilty about that to this day, but I was emotionally trapped and had no choice (at 14 years old).

I witnessed a number of restraints that didn’t need to happen, people being taken to “the basement” for hours or even DAYS, with nothing to do except sit and get even more upset, as punishment. I witnessed a certain therapist scream at a student who was suffering, and the same therapist made fun of me while I was disassociating.

and while we are talking about staff, there were at least two staff members who worked at the school when i went there who, now that I am older, i believe may have been acting inappropriately towards students. in what exact capacity I’m not sure, but personally I know of one former staff member who would tell me and other students about her sex life in order to get us to do our chores, etc.

We were also forced to read “impact letters” from our parents, which stated explicitly why we were sent there, to a large group of other preteens. We could not skip words, and often had peers reading over your shoulder to make sure you weren’t leaving anything out. What purpose it served to be forced to read your parents words in front of the other girls, aside from shame and humiliation, I have no clue. Aside from my own impact letter, it was so uncomfortable for me to have to listen to other girls’ reading theirs, knowing how traumatizing it was. It was also just terribly awkward.

I have many other stories to tell, and I will one day. If anyone in charge this school is reading this, just know that I understand that some of you are well meaning. i get that. But in my opinion, at least a couple of years ago, you are/were not doing it right. This is not the nurturing environment you advertise it to be.

To use the words you so loved to throw in my face when I was there... me choosing to write this review, and in the future, tell my story, is my version of “advocation” and “authenticity”. I WILL advocate for the bettering of institutions like yours, as well as for the people who have been hurt by them. And I WILL be authentic, and eventually, unafraid, in honestly talking about my time here, in hopes to raise awareness and to help myself heal.

Quote from: Emily Trilling
When I was here at AAG it was when I was 12 I am now 17 and still think of the terrible expiernces I have been through at that place. I’ve been to over 5 programs and can reccomend good ones for parents looking to send there children here please do not!!!! I was consitnitly retrained and so was everyone else for the most ridiculous reasons, (getting to close to another peer) and I was also put in the basement with no peer interaction for 2 weeks before I begged my parents to send me to a wilderness program which I came from. I remember one time I was cutting myself and they didn’t notice till 3 weeks in the staff is a joke they want money the only reason there their.

Quote from: Flirtybird
I went to this horrible horrible place about 3 years ago. DO NOT SEND YOUR CHILD. My family and I have spent years trying to undo the damage and PTSD put on me by “therapists” and “trained staff”. I was locked in a room by myself for a full month! THESE PLACES DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD. PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM!

Quote from: Madeline McKenzie
If you are reading this, and you are having trouble with your daughter, I just want to let you know that, what your daughter is going through is not forever and while it may be difficult and you are unsure what to do as a parent, the best thing you truly can do is be there for your kid and not expect some program to try and fix your child's problems. As a young adult woman now.. the problems I faced as a 12-13 year old girl surpassed as I got older and I got through the cruel phases of puberty that all women go through in their lives.

It's been roughly 5 years since I attended this therapeutic school program. I was sent here in continuation from another treatment center as a way to slowly integrate into a normal school system. This school is set in a beautiful environment, the house where solstice and AAG was in was very nice and whilst being there, it was going under remodeling so I can only imagine what it is like now.

The biggest problem with this  program I can share is, the lack of understanding between the staff and the students. The program was set in a level system where you can earn privileges as you increased in rank. You proceed in your rank by taking accountability, showing respect, leadership, progressing in therapy, and doing assignments, etc. I got to the 3rd highest rank within the program. In this program I felt trapped and I felt very lost. Music was and is my life but for the majority of my time there, my music listening was restricted to 30 minutes per weekend. Staff also put restrictions as to what the students can and cant listen to or read so being my 13 year old self, this only caused me to rebel and look for ways to sneak in my books, and my cds. Music regardless of genre and style or content, is extremely helpful in therapy and I was quite baffled as to how that was considered a privilege? It was the hardest thing about attending AAG. AAG put a new wave of defiance in me with all of the restrictions they put upon the students. No student is one and the same, what one girl may find helpful, maybe different for another. Therapy is personal.

The actual therapy wasn't very good, I couldn't relate with my therapist at all and I found that my therapist often rarely worked with me. I would have to send requests but even then, she wouldn't acknowledge them sometimes. I did Ptsd based therapy but I wasn't even sure that was the problem, the main problem was that I had no liberty and the only way I could escape or free myself from this institution was look to books and religion. I'd also work with a doctor who would prescribe me medication without my fathers discretion. I can't even remember all the different kinds of pills they put me on, now today my digestion is messed up from it all, young girls from the ages of 10-14 shouldn't be taking 60 mgs of prozac  or prescribed 20mg of ritalin. Its terrible for their health and any reasonable adult should know that this stuff is not good for developing bodies. I had no say, it was a "doctor knows best" deal, and most typically doctor dont always know best.

I found myself more depressed in AAG than I was before in my everyday life . I was suicidal, I missed my father, and more importantly I felt so disassociated with reality, reality isn't accountability groups and "I feel statements", reality is knowing your situation, and learning to make a mistake and take that mistake and learn from it. This school should've preached love instead of making these poor girls feel bad about themselves in front of their parents. What those girls wanted was someone to understand them through this confusing and difficult time, and all we truly had was each other. Sisterhood is very real in this place, I am still friends with the girls I met 6 years ago at AAG. They have all grown to be great strong young women.

This isn't trying to hurt the school, this is just some of the things I experienced while I was here. For some it might be a good fit, but for me, it really was a nightmare.

The Troubled Teen Industry / Bluefire Wilderness program - Idaho
« on: August 08, 2021, 02:33:14 PM »
On Reddit they are building a wiki database as replacement for Fornits Wiki and Secret Prisons for Teens Wiki database which sadly are no more.

Here are some testimonies from Google:

Quote from: Carter Kessing
Hi i am a past student of blue fire and I am writing this for struggling parents who feel like they have no option but so send their kid here DONT DO IT this place can care less if you come out better and even less that you actually go home. At my time at blue fire they used cruel punishments on me and the kids in my group we were constantly deprived of food when I first got there it was 8 kids when I left it was 16 kids and we were still getting the same amount of food it was used against us as punishment and what made it worse is the staff knew what they were doing because me and the kids would constantly say you can’t use food as punishment and even are therapist tried to help but once the therapist left and it was just the unsupervised staff with the kids they were free to do as they please and punish how they pleased so we were genuinely scared that whatever we said about the staff out of fear that it would be used against us or that our “privilege” of talking to our family be taken away much of the program is hiking and I remember an occasion when we actually ended up getting lost in the desert and they forced us to hike 25 miles all the kids had blistered feet and we were out of food but of course the staff still had food and they were eating beef jerky in front of us when they knew damn well we  were deprived of meat there I could write a whole other review talking about the food they fed us horrible beans and rice almost every meal also forgot to mention to have any contact with your parents you have to write them a letter saying how good of a program you are at and how much of an opportunity it is for you to be there and if you don’t your not allowed to talk to your parents these people who run this place are sick in the head and see basic necessities as privileges

Quote from: AmgLife
Get rich quick scheeme, you have a bad kid? Theyll make your kid good in just a few weeks? This is bs. I attented bluefire for more than 2 monthes and it ruined my entire social life it ruined my family life, how are they going to help your teen when they have only 2 theripists, and you only meet with them once a week. They have the say weather u go home or not. They have more than 10 other kids cases there working on too if and if its not working out how they see it they will just say your kid needa boarding school... this is how they make there money its sad. I stay intoucu with everyone i was at bluefire with and there lifes all went down the drain as did mine. One of the biggest issues is there website is a lie. We sleep on the floor eat out the same cup have no chairs nothing and during family spark they bring out tents and chairs and acual good food only when the parents come to visit than right when the parents leave its right back to sleeping on the floor no chairs or nothing. Everyone i was there with agreed it was a front. Please dont waste your money on this scheme, dont put your family thru what mine went thru, dont put your kid through what i went through. It made me worse off as a kid made me way worse i had to learn everything myself amd i had years of therepy because of bluefire and they all agree bluefire is a scam a scheme.. they literally have tents bur won't let you sleep in them unless ur familys there. This wont help your kid dont give them your hard earned dollars just to make things worse for your family

Quote from: Gavin Cruz
The staff were nice but the over all help they had with targeting certain kids including myself was horrible. The staff would mess up the re rash and we would have way less food and we were stuck barely eating. Also your pictures of blue fire on your website is completely false we had horrible quality clothes I was in there when it was five degrees and below and the gloves and layers of clothes were not meant for that environment they were horrible it’s basically cruel punishment for people trying to get help. What’s the point of putting someone with mental issues or drug or alcohol addiction in weather where they can’t feel there hand or body while having kids cook horrible food with horrible ingredients giving during re rash. I was there for eleven weeks I enjoyed my therapist a lot but I didn’t make any progress at all he was a great guy but didn’t help me at all. I went to a treatment center after and they couldn’t help me either I struggle with depression and anxiety i am the exact same person as before. There is no point of sending a struggling kid to a wilderness therapy especially one that does not give you the tools to be safe. If we didn’t bust a cold we were stuck sitting around the camp site freezing then going into a green wall which y’all said that we were going in a yurt every night on y’all’s website when we went into one only at three camp sites. I remember waking up in a fetal position and I used one of my nalgens filled with my urine and put it on my stomach to keep me warm. And they would only let you sleep in a long sleeve skin tight shirt and pants that matched the shirt with no jacket or anything so you would basically be sleeping in your underwear they also took your shoes so you would have to wake up and pee outside with no shoes and in a shirt and pants in the snow. This was punishment my parents still think it was a fun experience when in reality it was a living hell. I’m begging you from the bottom of my heart don’t send your kid here they lie to you. Just get a therapist at home and if needed send him or her to a mental hospital. Also don’t send your kid to a treatment center it’s the same process as wilderness but in a building it’s not helpful there at all. Don’t ever consider this.

It seems that a boy was injured running away while having been placed at the facility some years back.

This is what was written in an article

Quote from: Pecos Enterprise
Teen runaway hospitalized, three remain jailed
By JON FULBRIGHT, Staff Writer

PECOS, Tues., April 30, 2002 -- One teenage boy is in an Odessa hospital, a second is in a  Midland juvenile center and two teen girls are in custody of Presidio  County officials in Marfa after they ran away from the High Frontier  Children's Ranch in Fort Davis on Sunday and later stole prescription drugs and  a rifle from a rural Jeff Davis County home.

The teen was hospitalized after taking the prescription drugs mixed with alcohol that they found inside the home, according to Joe Balderrama, Jeff Davis County Chief Deputy who assisted in his capture Sunday night.

Balderrama said he received a report at 4 a.m. Sunday that the four teens had runaway from the High Frontier Ranch, and then conducted a search of the area, assisted by Department of Public Safety trooper Rhyan Drodch. The deputy said they were unable to locate the teens during the day, but at 9:30 p.m. he said the sheriff's department received a call that the four had been spotted hiding out at the Point of Rocks rest area on State Highway 166, 11 miles southwest of Fort Davis.

"I contacted Drodch and told him the four runaways were reported at that location," Balderrama said. The two then drove out to the site and entered the rest area from opposite ends.

"The plan was to start walking towards each other, but about 30 seconds later I heard the trooper yelling to `put your hands up where I can see them,'" the deputy said. Two of the four teens were able to run off, while one, who was standing next to a .22 caliber rifle, was pepper sprayed by Drodch when he failed to comply.

"We found the rifle had live ammunition in it," Balderrama said, and when the male teen, later identified as Carlos Anthony Soto, 18, became aggressive and combative, he was again hit with pepper spray.

Along with Soto, a female was also apprehended at the rest area. Balderrama said the girl, identified as Aliza Hirsh, 17, had a driver's license that failed to match up either with her or Soto. A check later revealed it belonged to the owner of the house from where the rifle had been stolen.

After contacting the owner of the home, which was located about a quarter mile behind the rest area, Balderrama said it was reported that a .22 caliber automatic pistol and a camera were also stolen. As a result, three other DPS troopers from Alpine and four U.S. Border Patrol agents from Marfa with night vision equipment were also called out to assist in the search for the two remaining teenagers.

A DPS helicopter with night vision equipment was also flown down from Midland. "It flew around the Point of Rocks area for about 30 to 45 minutes when it picked up movement with its infrared equipment," Balderrama said. Using the information, officers on the ground were able to locate the other two teens and take them into custody.

The deputy said that the second girl apprehended, identified as Natalie Matts, 18, told them the other teen, a 16-year-old boy whose name was not released, had thought about taking the pistol from the home, but did not do so. A later check of the home by the owner turned up the pistol, Balderrama said.

Matts, Hirsh and the 16-year-old were taken into custody, while Soto was transported to Big Bend Regional Medical Center in Alpine after it was determined he had stolen prescription drugs from the home, and taken them with alcohol. "He took all three medications and ground them up and took them with the alcohol, so he almost overdosed," Balderrama said. "He continued to get worse, so he was taken to Odessa Medical Center."

Soto was in stable condition at the Odessa hospital.

The two girls and the juvenile have been charged with Burglary of a habitation, and Soto will face the same charge when he is released from the hospital, Balderrama said. He'll be returned to the Presidio County Jail in Marfa, while the 16-year-old is being kept at the Midland County Juvenile Detention Center.

Here are some testimonies from Yelp:

Quote from: DaMenezFam J.
Where do I even start the High Frontier is one of the worst places I've been to and for y'all to say it was a couple of girls that went off rails that cost that place is shut down is wrong I was at the High Frontier in 2019 to when I got there things were okay but then it started going downhill what I started finding out the truth about the High Frontier the High Frontier sexually mentally physically emotionally abused the girls and if it wasn't for those girls it would still be happening there were young girls who were sent there for help but didn't get the help they needed because the High Frontier destroyed them I was sent to the heart Frontier to get treatment because I was a runaway I did drugs I did alcohol I had to live by myself on the street because that's what I thought was best for me I was the same as everybody else there that was going through problems but for someone to say that this place was great I'm going to let you say that cuz that's your opinion your family got treated right but you also will know the CPS kids were treated poorly and if I was to bring together a group of kids to talk about the trauma that was After High Frontier you would soon realize did this place was a horrible place I will go ahead and say did I am one of those few girls one of those few girls did y'all say that run off the rails and cause problems I did not kill that dog star was the best dog there and for you to say that we did that isn't fair were you there when it happened we left that dog so many times we told her to go back of course she doesn't listen cuz she's a dog but we took care of star so for you to say shame on us did you hear the comments that were said that it should have been those girls inside of the dog you know what it was some of the girls girls are bleeding out in the restrooms waiting because don'ts to call for help because you're scared that this place is going to shut down this would have been so much different if you would have listened and tucked in our opinions Not only was I sexually abused mentally and physically but so were other girls now don't get me wrong the High Frontier did helping ways and there's some staff that deserve to be there there was just some staff that should never work with kids if the settings were right in the people were respectful then there wouldn't have been problems so y'all are horrible people for saying these things about us

Quote from: Bee M.
This is not the place to send your child. As a family member of someone sent here, I can not express the trauma from sexual assault, isolation, etc that occurred within these walls. This place does not "fix" your child's issues. My family member came back and shortly after was diagnosed with CPTSD from what happened here.

Quote from: Olive R.
This "school" created havoc in my brain. I was here for 4 years!!! This idea that I can trust other "peers" is just not a realistic idea. The outline of a daily routine at this place was just horrible. I, and many others, put up a HUGE front just to make it through the day. There were quite a few of us who would get hurt and receive a punishment for it. We were never allowed to speak to the opposite gender in a realistic setting. Everyone was eventually going to be put on some medication. So much chaos there. I survived, but it's still in my head.

Quote from: Mary A
They are the worst!!!  Dale is a Coward & does not get involved in anything.  Ronnie The " counselor" is burned out & needs to quit!!!  At least quit skimming money from the parents!!!   He owes me 52.00 for about a Year Now & won't give me my money back but did offer Not to charge me for The Free lodging on the premises for the parents.   Did you all catch that..... it's "Free" but for me he would wave the 50.00 charge!!    He also started sending back all the care packages I sent my son!!   But he would tell me my son got the package.  My son would say No he did not & The package will arrive at my house.   Ronnie is an evil spiteful man.   Needless to say we took our son out of that rat hole Ronnie runs

Quote from: Mary C.
The High Frontier just keeps going down hill and they have NO RESPECT for parents!  They take a FULL BLAME THE PARENTS for they way the kids are and PUNISH THE PARENTS!!!
I waited 2 MONTHS to see my son who had made NO Good change but BAD change.  He learned how to Fight!  He's sneakier and he cries a lot.  I was with him for 2 Days with no one around!  And Nothing to do!  It was Great in the being because we talked like Crazy!!!  But the 2nd day was awful because my son didn't want me to leave without him.  I left him standing in a parking lot CRYING & Shaking AND NO ONE WAS THERE FOR HIM!  NO STAFF!!!   I was sick!!!

The food is SLOP!  Pizza & fruit loops for breakfast!!!!!   For growning teens!!!!

The worst 2 days later my son's Theropist Ronnie, the one in charge of MY SON called me and YELLED AND SCREAMED AT ME!!!!!!  I was in my Realtor's Office & put Ronnie on Speaker Phone so that ALL the Realtors could hear how UNprofessional He Was!!!!  This man went to school for this and has been working with kids for over 20 years and here he was SCREAMING at ME!!!   Telling me he was NO LONGER going to call me weekly!  That he was only going to write me a note.  He was punishing me!!!!!!!!  I'm 50!!!  And he was punishing me!!!  He's the professional and should know how to calmly handle ANY sitution.  If not, QUIT!!!!  But he was Yelling and out of control!!!!!  Because he should have been with my son & I especailly on the last day when I was leaving.  Someone should have been with us!!  no parent and child likes to separate again for another 2 months!!!!!  Even I know that and I didn't have to go 5 yrs of school to learn it! 
The Realtors are now all afraid for my son who is stuck in the High Frontier!!!!!

Quote from: Margot R.
I was sent to High Frontier at the age of 16 after attending a wilderness rehabilitation center for three months. When I first arrived at High Frontier, I had a positive outlook because I wanted to be the best person I could possibly be and become better from who I once was. That was before I got out of the car. My first night there was truly traumatizing (and so was the rest of my stay). The students and staff especially were very insensitive about the way I felt, the dorms were TRASH (I am in NO way exaggerating, they looked fine from the outside but from the inside it looked like an abandoned, moldy (it had mold)and weather beaten home; they never let the parents inside the dorms... wonder why!), I had severe depression and no one helped. PPC is not a positive way of helping someone grow. It's basically sitting in a group of people where you are begging for help and they criticize you for everything and shut you down instead of helping you. They point out your negative characteristics and don't provide you with explanations of how to work on them. They just criticize and bully. It made me feel so bad about myself which led my self-worth and esteem to be at an all time low. All I wanted was help and they provided me with an unlimited amount of hurt. At High Frontier, I was taught to fear people and their abuse. I was taught to never trust people. I was taught to stay silent and let the mental and physical abuse push me to the edge. The staff would be very rude and careless towards our well being. When students misbehaved, they would put them in restraints that were much more brutal then they had to be. I was never personally put into restraint but after witnessing my peers go through this, I can say with full confidence the treatment was inhumane. There were fights every day, constant bullying, harassment, runaways, and true unfairness. The staff would obviously pick favorites, so I learned how to mask my true personality because at this point I was willing to be anyone they wanted me to be so I could get out of there and feel safe for once in a long while. They pushed us to the edge and the staff and peers provoked us to act out so they could file reports. All High Frontier truly cares about is money. We did not have therapy sessions, we had a five minute intervention with our group (the ones where I mentioned the constant brutal and unnecessary criticism). Once a week, we would meet with our therapists and have an hour and a half long intervention focused on one person's problems while everyone else sat there and tried to help. The help was fake, it was all for a show so the staff could see we were "growing" and "flourishing" into being who they wanted us to be. It wasn't about bringing out our full potential or being our best selves. It was about being exactly who they want you to be. This place will anger me forever. Throughout my time here, I forgot who I really was because I had to fake it for so long. I became someone who lost their true identity and I felt so alone because all of my real opinions and real thoughts were brainwashed out of me. No one was there for us. All anyone wanted was to get out of that Hell hole. Excuse my language, but I swear I wouldn't say it if I didn't mean it. The High Frontier is the WORST thing that EVER happened to me. We worked for hours in the hot Texas sun and got paid $1.50 for every hour we worked. My ultimate goal was to save up all that money so I could move out of there the day I turned 18. I truly believe that if my mother had sent me to a better place I would've definitely acquired the coping skills that I desperately needed at the time. In my experience, The High Frontier brain washes children into believing that they are responsible for all of the trauma that happened to them. They said we are not "victims" of trauma, we are the reason it happened to us. During my stay at The High Frontier, I got an extremely bad rash that looked like very dark purple splotches and no medical care was provided even after months of complaining and writing requests for a visit to the doctor. My ankles began to swell up and hurt very badly (to the point where it was difficult to walk), the rash spread, and I developed chronic joint pain. After three months of dealing with this ignored illness, my mother came out for a visit. She immediately saw how brutal and raw my rash was and requested to take me home immediately so I could receive professional medical help. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease called Lupus. The doctors said they have NEVER seen anything like this. Before diagnosing me, they ran countless tests. The immense stress and anxiety that I had at The High Frontier aroused an underlying condition that I had. The doctors say that if I hadn't experienced this amount of stress, my Lupus would have appeared maybe later on in my life. I have never returned to HF since. I am 18 today, It has been two years and my trauma from being at HF still effects me everyday.

Quote from: Anna T.
I was sent here as a child and had a terrible experience. Most of the staff has no business being around children... I still can't trust people after the experience. I think that if my parents had found a better place for me I would have actually learned some coping skills and maybe worked through my problems instead of learning to fear people and their abuse. :( There are other great programs out there, but this is not one of them.

Roloff / Re: Wings of faith Academy?
« on: July 23, 2021, 06:57:24 AM »
An article in the Kansas City Star mentions a little about the history of the school and the conviction of Bud Martin for his involvement in Heroin Trade.

‘God’s will.’ Girls reform school left three states before finding a home in Missouri
(The Kansas City Star)

More reviews from Yelp:

Quote from: Tess F.
Horrible! I was a girl there for almost 5 months before graduating.. I was 17 at the time, now I'm 21 and I still think of this place daily. First of all, the majority of the women here are in their early 20s and very unqualified!! They are definitely not equipped to deal with mental health problems, and punish by giving physical consequences. You are NOT allowed to talk, stare, or even smile at any other girl there. If you get caught doing so without going through staff you will get a hill run,(its NOT a hill) which includes running up a mini mountain with raddle snakes while staff times you... If u dont get up & down in 15 mins you must redo it . Third, you run over a mile a day, up and downhill.... You are given no choice. If you feel sick or are injured they say they don't believe you and force you to run anyway.. Over the course of my nearly 5 month stay, I got a gash in my head that almost needed stitches and broke my tailbone/strained my back because staff forced me to ride on an unruly horse. I was threatened with tacking on months to my stay and being level dropped if I got off, so out of desperation I did what they asked. Sure enough, due to staffs incompetence, the horse steps on sharp wire, bucks up, knocks me off and begins to roll on top of me .... The helmet broke. Just as bad, the woman, instead of calling for help, forced me to walk almost a mile back to the ranch... When we fianally got to the cabins, i was told to go to the bathroom to clean up, where in terrible pain, had to tell the lady there I had just fallen off a horse. Finally, after delaying about an hour, they took me to the emergency room. sure enough, my tailbone was broken..However, I was so brainwashed by the crap that I didn't see just how messed up everything was until I got out. They have something called "Life Review" meaning youve done something "bad", and are forced to sit facing the wall. All day. EVERY day. Thats all you do. You cant be around anyone, you sleep on the floor, cant participate in anything, cant talk to staff, and if u get caught doing something as minor as looking around the room, you get olives and beans to eat. This can last anywhere from a week to MONTHS. I saw girls lose their minds after being on this for months.

Also, they didn't diagnose me with any mental health issues, which turns out I have quite a few, like bipolar disorder anxiety and depression. After getting out, I immediately started cutting, ended up with an eating disorder, and also began to struggle with drug and alcohol abuse, so I've been in and out of rehab. I'm so traumatized by this place. Please, shut it down!!!! It makes teens worse,not better.

Quote from: Jacqui S.
Former Staff Perspective: The facility is money-driven and, as a result, will re-admit girls with existing psychological conditions better suited for a treatment facility than a behavior-coaching ranch. The staff will not be prepped on the history of these individuals or properly prepared from a self-defense perspective. The grounds lack supervision and protection, yielding safety endangerment. The staff is underpaid and discouraged from being empathetic towards the girls. The girls are viewed as deceitful, manipulative, criminal-minded individuals. Yet, when you read the journals of the girls, you realize just how traumatized they also feel. When completing incident reports, the owners have no issue unethically instructing staff to edit details that will protect the organization. Many turned a blind eye because "the paychecks keep coming." Staff has been threatened and let go for speaking out against concerns of safety, ethics, and misalignment regarding being "founded on Christian moral principles" and the day-to-day operations. If you are fired, expect to be homeless and jobless within 2 hours (you can no longer stay in the Staff House and they will escort you off the properties). The turnover rate is exceptionally high for staff and therapists alike. Side note: the decompressing period after being exposed to this facility is dragged out and repressed, with additional unhealthy coping mechanisms post-TTS - e.g. pregnancy, drugs/alcohol, PTSD, compulsions, inability to form healthy attachments, etc. It's amazing what places in the boonies can get away with. Ozark, anyone?

Another testimony:

Quote from: Lexi M.
So today I decided to stop caring and post an honest review of this business. I was sent here in 2016, and I can easily say this made that the worst year of my entire life. This place changed my life in the worst way possible, causing me trauma and PTSD. This place is not what it seems. It's built on child labor and abuse. If you don't believe me, read all the other reviews, or simply research this place and read about how they are in court for this.

I can truthfully say that I would have rather gone to a prison than here. At least in prison, your allowed to make eye contact with and communicate with inmates. That's right, at Trinity you received physical punishment (example, 25 push ups) for making eye contact with a girl or talking to her without ASKING PERMISSION. You actually received physical punishment for the dumbest reasons; once, I had to do 50 step-ups because I mentioned that I missed Krispy Kreme donuts. Yep. And there reasoning was, "Your not in the here and now." You also could not stand up or sit down from your chair without asking permission. If you did on accident? 25 push ups, or 50, or whatever they felt like that day.

I was forced to eat food even though I was sick and this caused me to become more sick. I had woken up the night before with my stomach in intense pain. I received no medical assistance, and was sent back to bed. The next morning I still felt the same way and refused breakfast. They told me I had to eat and if i didn't, at the next meal I'd have to eat the meal I missed and the new meal. (if you refused many meals, as a punishment they made you eat a mix of cold kidney beans and cold black olives) So I ate the meal, and then projective vomited it outside the schoolhouse. Also, I should mention I never had control of any of the food I ate, and each girl had to eat the same amount of food, despite them all being different ages (youngest girl when I was there was 13, oldest was 19) I remember one girl, who was much younger than me, got so full from her dinner (she had already eaten most of it)and they forced her to eat it as she sobbed, telling them she felt ill.

I was assigned to take care of this horned goat, named Franny. So each night I had to take the goat off her leash/cable tie and put her in a pen, One night I got yelled at for putting her dinner in there so she would walk inside. A staff member decided to watch me to make sure I put her back correctly. The goat became angered with me, and head butted me repeatedly, until i fell to the ground. (The goat had head butted me in the past, which was always scary, but no one ever bothered to help me.) I became tangled in her cable tie, and it wrapped around my leg. The goat trampled me, then started running. When the goat would run, this would cause the cable to become taut around my leg. I don't know the name for it but it was like a piece of wire coated in plastic or rubber of some kind. So when she ran the wire tightened around my ankle, causing me intense pain. It also raised my ankle of the ground so I couldn't get up to free myself. I screamed for help, asking the staff member to help me. She stood there and told me to free/untangle myself so I could stand. I couldn't, I was too tangled, and each time I would try to get up the goat would run again causing even more pain and restriction. I just keep screaming for her to help, but she just hovered above me, watching.  Finally after she watched me a bit longer, and the wire had tightened several more times, the staff member unclipped the tie from the goats neck. My ankle was in intense pain, swollen and deeply bruised. The next day, I asked to be opted out of the run (we have to run from the living cabins to the schoolhouse, about 0.5 mile)since I was limping, my leg was swollen so it was hard to put in my boot, and I was in pain. They said no, you have to run. they told me I would be fine, since "it was just bruising and my actual leg was fine." Meanwhile, a girl with blisters didn't have to run.

Overall outside of these events this place is just bad all over. The "staff", who watch you at every hour of the day, have no licensing and often just a college degree. You see a licensed therapist for one hour once a week, sometimes twice. You participate in "Holy Cowgirl" meetings, which is where everyone sits in a circle and comments about how you did since the last meeting, including negative comments. It was really unhealthy. I would get super anxious leading up to the meetings, knowing I was going to be analyzed and picked apart. They also didn't let you look in the mirror, or talk about your experiences, which makes you feel like you have no identity.

I saw Angie, the owner, ONCE the whole time I was there. She doesn't care about the trauma she has caused and is causing to so many of these girls. She actually thinks people are suing Trinity for the sake of money, and not for the fact that she changed their lives in the worst way possible.

Earlier there was a thread about the facility going after people for speaking out the truth about their experiences while being detained at the facility. Now there seem to be a Judge who will use the facility to detain a girl because she is afraid of the actions of her father. More about the girl and the relationship with her father can be read in this article:

Quote from: American News
by Matthew Miller
Missouri judge sends teenage girl to live with allegedly sexually abusive father after jailing her mother

Family court judge, Nicole Zellweger, reportedly ordered the minor daughter of Angela Freiner back into the custody of her father, who allegedly sexually abused her, PJ Media reports.

The teenage daughter recorded a video of a hearing Friday with Judge Zellweger, which was obtained by investigative journalist Michael Volpe who then proceeded to post the video on YouTube. In the video, the teenaged girl is heard begging the judge not to send her back to live with her father, who she says abused her.

In the recording, the minor can be heard pleading with the judge, who then threatens that her mother could end up in jail if she does not comply wit her order.

“She has free will but her free will can end up putting her in jail,” Zellweger says.

"I don’t want to live with him," the young girl is heard saying.

'The judge replies, "When your mom is taken to jail you will have no other parent to live with but dad…I understand you’re not happy with the court’s judgment."

"We can do it the easy way or we can do it the hard way," she continued.

The minor further pleas with the judge, asking how she could be sent to live with an abuser.

"I still don’t understand, I told you that he was touching me [unintelligible] and you’re still going to make me go with him?" she asked.

The judge responded saying there was "no evidence," of the molestation, shutting down the young girl's request.

Sources told PJ Media that Freiner was arrested and was held in criminal contempt and jailed for two days following the hearing. The mother reportedly had no prior criminal record.

The judge also reportedly had the child committed to the behavioral center at the Children’s Hospital of St. Louis. Upon arrival, the young girl immediately told doctors she experienced sexual abuse from her father, triggering a mandatory report of the allegations to authorities. Court documents show that the girl's father has a criminal record and is on probation for domestic abuse.

"Petitioner and the GAL asked questions of Respondent about his past/current criminal convictions. Respondent testified that he is on probation until July of 2021 for disorderly conduct related to a domestic/family dispute that involved his wife and his step-daughter…

Respondent testified that he has a temper and that there have been arguments at his house, although he testified that things have improved and he is working … on this issue. These facts trouble the Court greatly, but the Court finds Respondent credible in his testimony that he is working on his anger issues," the court documents read.

Court documents also show that the father brought the young girl to the home of his father who is reportedly a level-three sex offender. He had been convicted of "rape/fear, force, and sexual battery" according to the registry, PJ Media reports.

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Since this article was written, the girl disappeared with the approval of the Judge. Various sources tell that the girl is at Trinity Teen Services. What is the purpose with her stay. Are they going to pray forgiveness towards her fathers alleged advances? Should she forget the alleged advances in return of Gods approval of her being a submissive daughter?

Trinity Teen Solution is a faith-based facility where things are swiped under the table.

We are worried for the girl.

Video from Facebook

Facility Question and Answers / Re: Any info on Havenwood Academy ?
« on: July 14, 2021, 01:56:11 AM »
Quote from: Natalie G.
8/29/2017 - We have a daughter who has been at Havenwood for 6 months and is still currently enrolled. We are not happy with many things in their program and are struggling to work through these issues but are planning on moving her as soon as we find a better program. I am putting my personal phone number on here and am willing to talk with any parents who would like a candid review of Havenwood

1/11/2018 - I feel like I can now post my full review instead of just my phone number because we finally moved our daughter out of Havenwood on 12/27/17 after her being there for 10 months. I have gotten many calls from parents just like me who are looking at RTC programs or who have children currently in terrible RTC programs, and we're all feeling very overwhelmed and frustrated. In realizing this need, as well as having had a very negative experience at Havenwood, it is my intention is to start a website/forum/database for reviews of RTC programs - specifically for California state funded programs. There has to be more accountability for these programs to do what they say they're going to do! If you're interested in being a part of this endeavor, please email [email protected] or call me at (916) 934-3270.
With that being said, here are a just a few of my reasons (not in any particular order) for a one star and pulling our daughter out of the self-claimed "premier" program at Havenwood:

1. They falsely advertise their program on their website and in their parent welcome letter after admission to the program. Whatever you read on their site, do not believe it.
- There is no music therapy, no art therapy, no recreation therapy, no outdoor therapy, no access to a gym and no regular fitness routine, no rock climbing, very few outings and extracurricular events (going on a drive is the highlight of the weekend), non-existent nutrition program (will discuss further below), their staff are hardly experts in any of the modes of treatment they say they offer, the school program is a joke (will discuss further below), and so much more inflated mumbo-jumbo to try impress parents.

2. The house where the girls are at is depressing.
-  It is a very average house in the middle of an average to low-income neighborhood. Check it out on Google Maps and Zillow - then, imagine 16 teenage girls with mental and behavioral issues crammed into that small house. It feels more like a group home, and one of the rooms holds 6 girls.  The backyard is tiny and doesn't insight any desire to get outside for fresh air or exercise. There are indentations/holes in the walls where girls have destroyed property and the carpet is trashed.

3. HORRIBLE communication with parents.
-  We were not notified of changes to staff in the home (which was often) and would hear about it from our daughter during our family phone call.
- We were not given contact information of the staff who are actually in the home. Some staff literally refused to give us their phone number and told us to email them instead. So we did that, but emails were not returned.
- Our daughter was put on a new medication for three weeks without our approval.
- We were not given information about the parent weekends until (maybe) two weeks before we were supposed to arrive, making it difficult to plan for travel, childcare, time off work, etc.
- We were consistently told different things by different staff - no one was ever on the same page.
- We asked for their grievance policy and were never responded to.
- We filed a complaint with the BBB of Utah and they did not respond to that either.

4. Their educational program is a joke.
- The girls are in a class of 8. There is a "teacher" and an aide in the room. The girls are put in front of a computer to read a lesson, and then complete "post tests." The computer then gives them a score and they start on the next lesson. In "school" it is acceptable for the girls to  misbehave, and get into physical fights, resulting in restraints. We were supposed to receive a weekly report from her teacher on her progress, but that was inconsistent as well, sometimes being a month or more late. There is no accountability for the girls to do their work. If they don't want to do their work, they don't have to and there is no requirement for them to catch up over the weekend and/or lose privileges. Our daughter was on track academically, liked to learn, and was an A/B student before Havenwood. But, because of this "school," she began to hate learning and fell very behind.

5. There is no nutrition/health program. They claim to feed the girls "optimal nutrition" but the foods they serve are high in saturated fat and cholesterol with pasta, burgers, nachos, pizza and high sugar desserts being on the menu regularly. Our daughter gained 60 pounds while at Havenwood.

Overall, this is not a good RTC. I do believe the people there are kind to the girls and have good intentions, but the execution is really off, the leadership is weak, and the program and lacking in many key areas mentioned above. There is so much more here that I didn't discuss, so if you have any further questions, please feel free to email or call me.

4/7/2020 - This is an update from my posted Yelp review back in January of 2018 where I outlined the terrible experience we had when our daughter was at Havenwood for 10 months. In that posting I put my phone number and personal email.

***Since then, we went took Havenwood through a lengthy 9-month arbitration with the Better Business Bureau of Utah. The arbitrator found Havenwood to have "major discrepancies between what was advertised and what was delivered" in four major areas of our daughters treatment. The complete document of that final arbitration can be found here -…. Our claims are the first part of the document and make reference to an 18 page document we submitted that showed all proof of our claims. The detailed findings from the arbitrator start on page 4 for you to verify these discrepancies. Also, the last page of this document is the BBB final arbitration decision where they told Havenwood to REMOVE all the falsified information from their website and their parent welcome letter. Did Havenwood do this? No. They are no longer accredited with the BBB, but that was the only restitution we had with them.
So, why am I posting this update now?

***We have since had a wonderful experience at a residential treatment facility and our daughter has now successfully graduated and transitioned home. I want that same hope and help for any person reading this review, it does exist - just not at Havenwood.
***I am STILL receiving calls/emails from parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, who currently have their daughters at Havenwood and their sister program Zion Hills Academy and are having major issues similar to mine, or even WORSE.

***I also am still receiving calls/email from those who are telling me what Havenwood is promising and getting a "bad feeling" (for good reason) and then searching the internet and finding my review.

***And, I am also getting calls/emails from teens themselves who have been at Havenwood and were treated poorly.

***I have also gotten calls from concerned social workers.
I contacted Havenwood on 4/5/2020 asking them for any updated policies and procedures, their new parent welcome's letter, and why I continue to get phone calls of concern.

***I am asking anyone who HAS or HAS HAD a daughter go through Havenwood or any of their other affiliated programs such as Zion Hills Academy, to please call or email me with any pertinent information about their experiences.

Facility Question and Answers / Re: Any info on Havenwood Academy ?
« on: July 14, 2021, 01:55:47 AM »
Also there is a new review of the facility on Google:

Quote from: Hannah Cahon
Havenwood academy is one of the most, if not the most wasted and detremental periods of my life. I was taken there by force when I was 14 years (I am now 17)old by 2 people whom I can not even identify by name. I did not know what state or city I was in for the first 72 hours of me being there. I was refused the information by the staff who were supposed to make me feel comfortable. I would consider Havenwood academy one of the most tramatic parts of my life. On top of the inadequate emotional care havenwood suplies the schooling system is also extremely lacking in structure. The teachers were not prepared to teach the subjects that they were assigned and that often left students including myself at a standstill academically.  The managements was horrible and increasingly got worse. My family and I did not come out with any real improvements to our relationship. After I left havenwood all staff and therapy cut off relations with me and my parent leaving us without the promised aftercare. Havenwood academy is thriving off of false hope and manipulation. I wish wholeheartedly that Havenwood could have executed what they wanted well but unfortunately they failed horribly. I strongly urge any parent reading this ro rethink the idea of sending there child away, seek hometherapy and love. All a child in struggle needs is to feel like they have a home and people in it who love them. Sending your child away will not solve problems but only our space inbetween you and them and intensify the issues.

These ones are from Yelp:

Quote from: Ry A
If I could honestly give Havenwood 0 stars I one hundred percent would. This "program" is a complete joke. I myself was enrolled in Havenwood in 2015-2016. I absolutely can not stress enough, do NOT send your girls here. This is a FRAUDULENT program and I genuinely do not understand how it hasn't been shut down yet. My time at Havenwood was a little different than most girls as I was expecting a little boy. Right off the bat, Havenwood informed us they only took one pregnant girl at a time because of many "liabilities". I struggle with Reactive Attachment Disorder, depression and anxiety. My parents wanted a SAFE place for me to work on my ever so present issues and wanted to make sure I was comfortable and well taken care of while I worked through the majority of my trauma. Sadly this is not at all what care I received. From the minimal "outings" if you'd even consider them outings, to the "nutritional program" that is stated to be offered. It is all a scam. Outings consisted of drives, trips to Taco Bell and the park. There was ONE time in my 8 month stay that I witnessed girls getting to go rock climbing. I was not allowed to go once again because of "liabilities". They did not have an alternative for me so I was left at the home alone with two male staff. The nutrition program is for lack of better terms, a joke. Although I was pregnant and it was normal for me to gain weight. I gained 65 pounds in my pregnancy even though my doctor constantly told the two "nurses" on campus that I needed a better diet program. They ended up asking my parents for $300 more a month so they could shop for me personally... out of the entire 8 months I was given a box of Oreos, healthy potato chips and my own bread... NOT A DIME of the $300 my parents were shelling out for MY DIET was being used appropriately. Not to mention, I have food allergies. Consisting of some nuts, citric acid and vitamin C. I am incredibly allergic to pineapples and strawberries. But not once was it accommodated. One night specifically I was told to go to bed hungry or eat the Pineapple "chicken" that was prepared. I went to bed hungry. Now, to more alarming scenarios. I was admitted to the hospital with a 103° fever during my pregnancy and my parents were NEVER informed until my Sunday phone call. Once I told them I had gone to the ER a staff ended my phone call and counted it as "manipulation". We were constantly left alone with all male staff, which got very uncomfortable. Staff refused to speak to our parents or let them know what was going on. Often times staff would let the girls use their phones to see their social media. There are holes in the walls, mold in the back freezers and the house is honestly just mediocre at best. 16 girls with issues straining from drug addiction to RAD do not mix well when they are all crammed into a tiny house and 6 of them live in ONE room. I wasn't allowed to even do much of the very limited "equine" program because I was pregnant and once again, I was a liability. Most of the therapy they offered is a complete joke. The school program was actually laughable. I legitimately just had to keep clicking the arrow and it would pass an entire class for me. Transitioning back into a real high school for my senior year was so incredibly difficult... Some staff even went as far as to tell me word for word that I would be a terrible mother. That I was not going to be able to do it. That I NEEDED to give my son up for adoption when NO WHERE in my plan was this supposed to be spoken of. Not only that, but a couple (as loving and gracious as they were, honestly the only two people who I actually trusted somewhat ) approached me and asked me to adopt my son KNOWING where I stood. I was completely disrespected and my heart was BROKEN. December 2015 rolled around and I was granted the luxury of getting to go spend a week off campus with my family. I immediately informed my parents of all that went on in the program that I wasn't allowed to say over a monitored phone call without getting into trouble. They pulled me almost instantly. I can not stress to you enough. Your girls will not benefit from this program. They all have the ability to flourish and live such healthy beautiful lives. But this program is NOT where they will achieve that. 90% of the girls who have left program who I keep in contact with still have INCREDIBLE amounts of instability throughout their lives. One girl was even sent back to program after graduating all together not even a month later. I urge you to please look into these RTC programs thoroughly before sending your girls!!!!! I know there are programs out there that will walk miles above Havenwood with people who DO want to help. Not just unqualified staff and money hungry owners. Good luck to anyone who is currently struggling in trying to find the correct placement and I sure hope this helps in your decision

You can laugh at my experience in this facility. Its okay. Not everyone's experience was the same. Nor as traumatic and I do recognize that. My point being, the point of Havenwood for me was to recognize trauma and RECOVER.  Havenwood DID NOT help me through this time in my life. Do I genuinely believe there were some people there who WANTED to help? OF COURSE! I still have VERY close relationships with staff members who have previously worked in house with the girls.

My therapist left half way through my program when I was 7 months pregnant after it already took me SIX months to feel comfortable with some random man I was thrown in a room with. HW had and has so many genuinely kind staff. BUT 90% of the staff that was there in my time, no longer work for the Hofflings. They have moved on to REAL, LEGITIMATE facilities to put their efforts to use where it will make a difference. Havenwood has treatment plans. Basically all the staff get together once a week to go over each girl and what they need to do with them.... I am sorry but? Half of these people were not even licensed to be GIVING therapeutic help EXCEPT for our TWO therapists who we were only to speak to ONCE a week. I do think the program started off well rounded until they got money hungry. (Which I will not even get started on what my parents endured after pulling me from a program that did not do anything it promised).

A genuine treatment program is nothing in which I just described to you. Please recognize this issue has matter of factly only gotten worse since my time there in 2016. I relentlessly spoken to previous staff and a few of the girls who spent time in HW after I left. I promise you, I am not the only one. Just the only one who wants to speak up for what I TRULY endured as a teen in treatment here.


That is all I have to say on this matter and it will be my last update. Feel free to contact me if you are contemplating sending your daughter here.

Quote from: Martin M
I was placed at havenwood twice. The last 6 months of my first time being there were exceptional. Management, the staff, and my therapist were extremely amazing. However, I did have to come back a year and a half later because although I got help the first time around, I do not feel my family got the help they needed so that we could have good lasting communication skills. Which is one reason I believe I got into bad things again. I did not fall back into old patterns, but found new dangerous coping mechanisms that brought me back to havenwood a year and a half later. I was glad to have gone back to havenwood instead of a new facility because things felt familiar. But I do admit some of the things happening were not okay. They have this thing called "shutdown" where all 16 girls are placed in the garage to sit and stare at each other and do nothing. When I say nothing, I mean NOTHING. We cannot talk, read, lay down, or even rest our faces in our hands. We could only sit and stare into space. I went through two shut downs and the second one lasted 6 days. We were forced to only have two changes of clothes during that time since we were not allowed to even do laundry. This means that we had to sit in unwashed dirty underwear for 6 days, and you could only rinse them in the shower to get them somewhat clean again. We were given our meals as normal, and a shower, and it was off to bed and awaken the next morning at 6am to sit on the garage floor with everyone else until 9pm that night. During that time, many girls physically hurt themselves, in which a lot of us were exposed to witnessing self mutilation of someone our very own age and were forced to run upstairs to another room so staff could restrain that peer until she stopped screaming and crying so we could all come back down to the garage once she was calmed down. The staff on shift are all very young college students who can barely manage their own emotions, and don't know how to deal with 16 unstable girls at once going through mental and emotional problems without lashing at us back. Trainings were minimal and some staff would use it as a power control. There were some amazing staff who I still keep in touch with, but those were the ones who were most loving and patient and did not punish us for reacting in the only ways we knew how. Girls try to run away during shut down and I don't blame them. That was probably the worst part about havenwood. I also gained 30 pounds from the poor nutritional diet they were offering and we almost never got to go to the gym and exercise. We did not have a lot of physical activity, or fun outings, and we were pretty much forced to all sit in a tv room all weekend and watch the same movies over and over. Sometimes they would take us on drives, but they even took that option away at one point and all we would do was sit in the cramped home. We did not have music therapy, and if we did it only lasted 2 months until the therapist would quit and we would be promised another one.. which never came. There are girls there who crap in other girls pillows, and get no consequences for it! Because the excuse is that's just the way they are and there's nothing they can do to control that. Girls who hit and bite and assault multiple other girls and staff and we get in trouble if we defend ourselves back. When I first got to havenwood my second time was great. But after about 8 months of being there, stuff started falling apart for some reason and I believe it is due to them admitting so many hopeless nut cases who belonged in an asylum, not a group home for girls with emotional trauma. However, I do have good things to say. I was the first girl at havenwood to go to college while being there. I graduated early and was able to take online college classes, and they really helped me succeed in schooling. Especially Kris the counselor, she was absolutely so helpful and amazing. I've grown great friendships with some staff and peers that I hold close to this day, and although I've gotten back into the old things I was doing I would like to say I appreciate the patience the therapists had with me. I did get a lot of help dealing with stuff from my childhood which has helped me understand my emotions better and I can prevent myself from acting out. I'm not entirely perfect but I did get more help than I did the first time so I don't feel like being at havenwood again was a waste of time. I definitely was there longer than I needed to be since I didn't act out crazy like the other girls there, but I had no other choice. Kirsten and Blaine hoffeling and Lou Trotta are fantastically generous and kind and loving. And the equine therapists were extremely helpful, horse therapy was definitely a highlight

I think if havenwood could stop admitting girls for the money aspect and actually take in girls they know they can help instead of biting off more than they can chew with these coocoo girls that belong in looney bins, then the program would improve much much more. I suggest havenwood goes back to how things were when they first started... only admitting girls with family, drug, or emotional problems instead of girls with deep rooted trauma that cannot be reversed. If she struggles terribly in school, this is a good option for her. If your daughter fights with you on a consistent basis, this is a good place for her. However, if you're daughter is violent, dangerous, or sociopathic, I suggest she's placed in more of a hospital setting or maybe try military camp. That would fix her pretty quick. Havenwood has enough of those they're struggling to fix.

Facility Question and Answers / Re: Any info on Havenwood Academy ?
« on: July 14, 2021, 01:40:54 AM »
In a recent article there is a reference to a 2018 incident where a girl was tied and forced to sit in a horse trough. The facility came under investigation but as usual with Utah, nothing came out of it.

Can the $300 million ‘troubled teen’ therapy sector be reformed by legislation and public pressure? (Deseret News)

Open Free for All / Re: Foster families in Denmark with issues
« on: June 28, 2021, 06:46:23 AM »
Something about salaries of foster families in Denmark

Jeg synes at der er for meget piveri. Selvfølgelig skal de også gå ned i løn, når resten af samfundet må holde for. Jeg er så gal over at de klager over nedsættelsen af deres løn. Det er formuer de får for at lade børnene gå for lud og kold vand.

Det er usle plejefamilier som står frem i medierne og piver.

Birthe Hansen

Open Free for All / Re: Foster families in Denmark with issues
« on: June 28, 2021, 06:45:30 AM »
An entry sounds

Foster family in Farsø, Denmark

På hjemmesiden Det Sorte register er en plejefamilie registeret. Hvorfor vides ikke. Hvis der er nogle som ved noget om hvorfor at plejefamilien på Trendåvej i Farsø er registeret, så svar venligst på denne debat-tråd.

Open Free for All / Foster families in Denmark with issues
« on: June 28, 2021, 06:43:56 AM »
A website is closing down because the website provider Webs no longer will be in service.

Some foster families were mentioned on a website, called "The hardest heritage". Due to GDPR reasons they cannot be reposted in Denmark but since this website is in the United States, they are reposted below:

  • Plejefamilien Anne-Mette Rask Lange og Stig Lange, Lindøhoved 1, Jersore, DK-5400 Bogense
    Anklager: "Trusler, Chikane, tavshedspligten m.v."
  • Plejefamilien Per og Hanne Amby, Ølstrupvej 11, DK-6950 Ringkøbing
    Anklager: "Chikane, Tavshedspligten, overgreb m.v."
  • Plejefamilien Tina & Søren Jakobsen, Trendåvej 15, Hyllebjerg
    Anklager: "Vanrøgt"
  • Plejemor Nina Christensen, Ny Hammermosevej 33, Manna, DK-9700 Brønderslev
    Anklager: "Inhabilitet, Omsorgssvigt, Socialloven, Serviceloven, Forvaltningsloven, Manglende samarbejde, Psykisk Chikane m.v."
  • Plejefamilie Gert & Kirsten Smed, Skovmosevej 9, Rørbæk, DK-9500 Hobro
    Anklager: "Pligtforsømmelse m.v."
  • Plejefamilie Gert Østergaard Jensen & Lone Storgaard Jensen, Klintingvej 91, DK-6830 Nr. Nebel
    Anklager: "Vold mod plejebarn gennem et helt år."
  • Plejefamilien Jens og Pia Müller, Rugtved Huse 6, DK-4470 Svebølle
    Anklager: "Psykisk tortur mod børn, løgnagtig udfærdigelse af dokumenter, manipulation med offentlige dokumenter, brud på tavshedspligten, destruktion af forældresamarbejde, brud på love om børnekonventioner og menneskerettigheder."
  • Plejefamilien Gitte Maria Dahl Mortensen, Claus Christian Mortensen, Sivestedvej 7, DK-8560 Kolind
    Anklager: "Lyver for egen vendings skyld, Magtmisbrug, Manglende Samarbejde, Bedrageri m.v."
  • Plejefamilie: Hanne og Svend Lindrup, Krogen 2, DK:4190 Munke Bjergby
    Anklager: "Nægter at samarbejde med forældre, chikane, Lyver i rapporter, ulovlig frihedsberøvelse samt psykisk tortur mod deres plejebørn"
  • Vibeke & Ole Rasmussen, Glamsbjergvej 7, DK-2770 Kastrup
    Anklager: "Vold, Tavshedspligten, lyver til kommunen om plejebørnene, embedsmisbrug, Socialt bedrageri, Psykisk Terror med plejebarn, Tyveri m.v."
  • Helle & Kent Hornbeck, Astrupvej 3, DK-8370 Hadsten
    Anklager: "Vold, Tavshedspligten, lyver til kommunen om plejebørnene, embedsmisbrug, Socialt bedrageri, Psykisk Terror med plejebarn, Tyveri, Vanrygt m.v."
  • Jill Von Der Maase og Johannes Thomsen, Alken vej 81, DK-8660 Skanderborg
    Anklager: "Lyver for egen vendings skyld - Manglende samarbejdes evne ( forældre, skole, kommunen ) - Omsorgssvigt - Beholdt børnenes opsparinger - Handler inden de spørger"

Here are some of the reviews made on Google. They explain some of the problems at this facility.

Quote from: Nikmom 123
We, as parents, are being forced to have our son seen by their unlicensed therapist and their psychiatrist. They demanded we sign the consent form or they would discharge him in 3 hours if we did not sign the consent. He is in a program there where he can see outside providers but they don't make money if we take him to the specialty providers he needs.
They work against the family and create an environment where the family is a burden.

Quote from: John Spivey
PRESCHOOL/SUMMER: Nice facility, however, they are charging an arm and a leg for preschool and not teaching anything. $160 a week and your child begs to come to your job and sit here instead of going there. kids are mixed with ages 3-5, so older kids tend to get bored since they are not being challenged or don't do much. Also, facility decided to raise their price to $170 on a holiday week. So technically you are paying $170 for 4 days. WOW

Quote from: Shawn Turner
My first year at this home was smooth and nice, they helped me graduate high school and more. But my second year here, they moved me In a retreat with 2 other roommates and I was cool with that until 1 of the roommates kept stealing from me and being petty. I kept on informing staff at the home and they did nothing. But when I got arrested they finally want to do something. For 6 months, I was dealing with a court case and I couldn't get a job anywhere. The staff kept complaining about me not having a job even though I would have If they got rid of the roommate earlier. Then I had a medical condition In between the time and couldn't drive. But they wouldn't even give me rides to where I needed. so they wanna get mad at me because I had people to take me where I needed to go.  So they decided to kick me out while I had the medical condition.

The home overall is a great place but most of the staff there are horrible. Once Lee Bennett came around, this place (18 and older program) turned completely upside down.

Quote from: Kelley Aubin
If I could give no stars I would. I worked in foster care licensing for 3 months. During my interview I asked specifically about training because I knew nothing about foster care licensing but had been working in child welfare. I figured it would be no big thing and they'd train me like I was promised. I received zero training. I once asked a coworker a question and she told me to "figure it out". I kid you not! Long story short, I was fired because I didn't meet the performance standards. Proper training and a supervisor without his head in his ass would have been a proper start. I also expected a higher level of professionalism because it's faith-based, but it was one of the worst places I've ever worked when it comes to common courtesy and professionalism. Such a damn shame!

Quote from: Elijah Moody
becky and her boss at the united methodist only want your money they dont care about poverty stricken homeless teen that needs help cause his mother doesnt have a bank account for bad financial decisions, they are charletans and frauds who hide behind a church organization shame and hope they get caught

Quote from: David Duncombe
I lived there for three years. I was fed, clothed, and I had a roof over my head.  Was I loved? NO. Was I bullied, ignored, and mistreated? YES. I'm thankful that I wasn't on the streets, but my time at FUMCH was a terrible time in my life.

Quote from: Tish Walker
BE AWARE !!!!!

This place is so unethical and unprofessional. House parents don't return calls. They do  not encourage family involvement. They don't keep staff. They had 3 therapist in less than 4 months.

Therpaist lie and create problems. Again NO family involvement at all.

Medical team sent me someone elses medical records. Then blamed me!!

They took child to eye doctor and claimed they needed glasses when we just took the child and was told they had perfect vision.

They are very manipulative and lie. I have kept all emails, letters and phone records to protect myself.

They also placed my child in the wrong grade! A hour year wasted. Once you point these things out they call and make false dcf reports!!

This is a facility where conditions seems so awful that the children are ready to commit suicide by cop to avoid staying there further.

A 12-year-old boy and a 14-year-old girl ran away from the facility and armed themselves and by this endangered the poor police who had to shoot one of them to avoid being killed. The status of the shot child remains unclear. However if they should survive, long prison sentences awaits them. Ironically, they will probably experience better living conditions in prison than the orphanage.

It should not be so.

This is the article about the shootout:

Volusia Sheriff calls for juvenile justice reform after children escape group home, shoot at deputies (The Orlando Sentinel)

A 12-year-old boy and a 14-year-old girl were in a shootout with deputies Tuesday night in Volusia County after the children broke into a house and armed themselves with guns, including an assault rifle, they found inside, Sheriff Mike Chitwood said.

Eight deputies fired over 60 rounds during the incident, Chitwood said, and they have been placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's investigation. The children fired at the deputies on four separate occasions.

The girl was taken to Central Florida Regional Hospital with life-threatening injuries after being shot in the chest and abdomen, Chitwood said. During a Wednesday press conference, Chitwood said she was in critical, but stable, condition and credited deputies' quick action to saving her life.

"None of us want to see her die," he said.

No deputies were injured in the incident, though body-worn camera footage released by the Volusia County Sheriff's Office Wednesday afternoon shows the children shooting at responding officers.

Charges of attempted first-degree murder and armed burglary against the two are pending, VCSO said. The children had run away from Florida United Methodist Children's Home in Enterprise and were reported missing around 5 pm It was also reported the boy, who hit a member of the Methodist group with a stick before leaving, was diabetic and in need of medication.

The Orlando Sentinel generally does not release the names of juveniles involved in criminal cases unless they are charged as adults.

Children 'ransacked' home before firing at deputies

Body-worn camera footage released by the Sheriff's Office, along with details revealed by the agency over the past day, shows how the incident escalated within an hour of the reported break-in.

Around 7:30 pm witnesses reported glass breaking at a home on Enterprise Osteen Road, VCSO said. Law enforcement had already been searching the area for the children, according to VCSO.

Deputies contacted the homeowner, who reported he had left for Publix about 15 minutes earlier with his children and no one should be in his home, Chitwood said Wednesday. He also told officials there was "a handgun, a shotgun and an AK-47 inside," along with nearly 200 rounds of ammunition. Chitwood said the guns appeared to have not been secured inside the home and loaded prior to the children's entry.

Deputies surrounded the home and began talking to the children, who "ransacked" the home, shattering windows and causing tens of thousands of dollars of damage, Chitwood said. They observed the girl using a baseball bat to destroy furniture, a bathtub and a toilet.

Then, about 8:30 pm, the girl fired at a sheriff's sergeant out a back patio door, Chitwood said.

Body-worn camera footage showed a deputy taking cover behind a tree outside the home. He radioed to other deputies the girl appeared to have a long gun and the boy looked “like he has something in his hand” before several shots rang out as the children started shooting out the home's rear window.

The deputy ordered the children to put their guns down, but one fired another shot.

"Let's not shoot these kids, man, let's just hold off, take our time," another deputy can be heard saying over the radio. "... Let's not try to escalate this any further."

The first deputy, still taking cover behind the tree, reported the girl was re-racking the shotgun and the boy was holding a firearm. He said over the radio he would challenge the children if they exited the house.

“Do not let me do this. Do not do this, ”he whispered as he pointed his pistol toward the house.

Meanwhile, deputies tried talking the children out of the home, according to VCSO.

The deputy whose camera recorded the incident told others not to approach the house because the girl had the gun pointed at the door. Though the footage is too dark to see what happened, a gunshot is audible as the deputy reported the boy fired a round at him. Around 9 pm, he said he saw the girl had an AK and a shotgun "wrapping around" her neck.

Soon after, the children left the house. The girl came out of the garage and pointed a gun at authorities twice, the sheriff's office said.

Video released by VCSO cut to helicopter footage showing deputies taking cover behind a tree and shooting towards the house. The boy went back inside, and deputies reported the girl was down behind a garbage can but still was moving.

Deputies approached the girl to treat her injuries. Several requested a med kit and a deputy took his belt off to use it as a tourniquet. The footage ended as deputies appear to pick up the girl to take her to the hospital.

Shortly afterwards, deputies found the boy, who was holding an AK-47. He surrendered after a 30-second standoff, Chitwood said.

The girl was taken to CFRH for life-saving surgery. When she was in stable condition , she was transferred to another hospital for further treatment, according to VCSO spokesperson Andrew Gant.

The boy was also taken to the hospital due to his diabetic condition. During an interview with deputies, he said the girl told him she was going to "roll [the deputies] down like GTA," referencing the video game Grand Theft Auto, Chitwood said.

An investigation of the home revealed smashed furniture and an empty AK-47 banana clip, according to VCSO.

Chitwood blames broken system

In the day following the incident, Chitwood blamed Florida legislators and a broken juvenile justice system for allowing young, violent criminals to be released without implementing measures dedicated to reforming them.

An outraged Chitwood addressed the media outside the property just hours after the incident Tuesday night.

“The sanctity of human life is cheap on the streets. Here's the indication, a 12-year-old and a 14-year-old have it so bad in life that they are going to defy law enforcement and engage them in a gun battle, ”he said. “The more we deescalate it, the more we're trying to get the armored vehicles out here, and pepper spray and tear gas, the more brazen they got.

“That they just felt that they continue to open fire so much so that they threatened to kill my sergeant and then took on my crime suppression team. Unfortunately she lost. I have no sympathy, none. Anyone that says I'm an a — hole, so be it. Had any of these deputies entered that property, I'd be explaining to their husband or wife why they weren't coming home tonight. ”

Chitwood said it was not the first time law enforcement had been involved with the 14-year-old. She was previously arrested for stealing dogs and was later sentenced to a halfway house, which she burned down April 10, Chitwood said.

The Department of Juvenile Justice then sent her to the Florida United Methodist Children's Home, which takes children who experience sexual abuse, physical abuse, abandonment, drug abuse, illness or the death of a parent.

The boy had no prior criminal history, but he was reprimanded for making two threats at school earlier this spring, Chitwood said during Wednesday's press conference. He threatened to throw a brick at an administrator in early April and days later threatened to kill another student and "spread his guts all over the bleachers," Chitwood said.

He noted that FUMCH has had numerous problems with children in the past, stating that it is "not equipped" to handle the children the Department of Juvenile Justice is handing over to them.

VCSO received close to 300 calls regarding the home in 2020. On April 3, deputies arrested a 14-year-old boy from FUMCH who had left campus and allegedly beat a 52-year-old security guard, Michael Ellis, who was escorting the teen back. Ellis later died in the hospital.

“You need to be exposing the Department of Juvenile Justice. It's a failure. It's a fraud. It's a fake, ”he said. “Deputies did everything they could tonight to de-escalate, and they almost lost their lives to a 12-year-old and a 14-year-old. If it wasn't for their training and their supervision, somebody would have ended up dead. ”

Chitwood called for legislators to take violent juvenile crimes seriously and "get on the streets" to talk to victims of juvenile crime, in the hopes they will make legislation allowing deputies to treat such crimes as seriously as those committed by adults.

A spokesperson for the Department of Juvenile Justice, Amanda Slama, did not return requests for comment Tuesday in response to Chitwood's claims.

"We're arresting these kids in the State of Florida for violent crimes, and the Department of Juvenile Justice wants to put them into places that can't handle them," Chitwood said. “... The juvenile justice system is broken. People need to face facts. ”

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